Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Micah Gersten
On 09/23/2011 03:56 PM, Allison Randal wrote:
 Hi all,

 While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about
 that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle.
 What's on your mind?

 Allison

ubuntu-restricted-extras

Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted
or in partner now.  Perhaps this should be broken out into ubuntu-extras
and ubuntu-restricted-extras?

Micah

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Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 03:03:13PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote:
 ubuntu-restricted-extras
 
 Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted
 or in partner now.  Perhaps this should be broken out into ubuntu-extras
 and ubuntu-restricted-extras?

Partner is often more restricted than restricted; I think in this case
we should think of restricted as having its dictionary meaning, rather
than identifying it with the (arguably misnamed) component.

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Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Micah Gersten
On 10/10/2011 03:31 PM, Colin Watson wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 03:03:13PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote:
 ubuntu-restricted-extras

 Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted
 or in partner now.  Perhaps this should be broken out into ubuntu-extras
 and ubuntu-restricted-extras?
 Partner is often more restricted than restricted; I think in this case
 we should think of restricted as having its dictionary meaning, rather
 than identifying it with the (arguably misnamed) component.

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting the Partner stuff be moved from restricted. 
Perhaps there should be an ubuntu-partner-extras recommended by
ubuntu-restricted-extras to clarify?

Micah

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Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Daniel Hollocher


 ubuntu-restricted-extras

 Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted
 or in partner now.  Perhaps this should be broken out into ubuntu-extras
 and ubuntu-restricted-extras?

 Micah


Another issue is that it looks like it is pulling in the FOSS version of
java, rather than the restricted version from sun/oracle.  I think that is a
confusing setup.

Maybe this stemmed from the idea that java is open source now, so openjdk
should be the same.  But that isn't true [1].  And I happen to be aware of
more specifically that there are issues with Java2D [2].

[1] http://openjdk.java.net/faq/
[2] http://openjdk.java.net/groups/2d/
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Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 03:41:31PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote:
 On 10/10/2011 03:31 PM, Colin Watson wrote:
  On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 03:03:13PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote:
  ubuntu-restricted-extras
 
  Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted
  or in partner now.  Perhaps this should be broken out into ubuntu-extras
  and ubuntu-restricted-extras?
  
  Partner is often more restricted than restricted; I think in this case
  we should think of restricted as having its dictionary meaning, rather
  than identifying it with the (arguably misnamed) component.
 
 Sorry, I wasn't suggesting the Partner stuff be moved from restricted. 
 Perhaps there should be an ubuntu-partner-extras recommended by
 ubuntu-restricted-extras to clarify?

Nor was I.  What I meant was that to me restricted in the metapackage
name simply means that the packages it depends on generally have some
kind of restrictions on them beyond what's normally considered free
software.  I think this reading might even be more natural for people
not immersed in Ubuntu development.

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