Re: Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[Charl Wentzel]

On 25/03/2015 18:52, Jim Cobley wrote:
> Trouble is your system may have a big disk whilst another (eg
> raspberry) will probably be very tight on space.
> Some people may consider 10Mb to be peanuts whilst others may think of
> it as gold dust.
> How to choose?
> Better to leave it as is - a bit dumb to some, informative to others
> and invaluable to a few more
>
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Re: Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[Jim Cobley]

Trouble is your system may have a big disk whilst another (eg raspberry) 
will probably be very tight on space.
Some people may consider 10Mb to be peanuts whilst others may think of 
it as gold dust.

How to choose?
Better to leave it as is - a bit dumb to some, informative to others and 
invaluable to a few more



On 25/03/15 13:08, John Moser wrote:

You want apt-get to go from

This will take 9,205kB disk space.
Continue? [Y/n]

to

Continue? [Y/n]

??

That's pointless.  That would create multiple layouts, requiring me to
assess what the output format is before reading the information from it.
  It would slow down my assessment of what Apt is telling me, because the
information would be in a different format.

You may as well randomly scramble the menu order on Firefox while you're
at it.

On 03/25/2015 09:06 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

No, I want to stop apt-get from asking dumb questions. Asking
whatever it is OK to use 1/25000 of disk is a dumb question that
should not be asked.

At the same time it makes sense to ask for confirmation about
installing 2GB of new programs, so -y is not a proper solution in
that case (also, I mentioned "I know that I can use parameters
(with aliases or apt.conf I can even make it permanent) to
completely skip this check.").

2015-03-25 13:47 GMT+01:00 John Moser mailto:john.r.mo...@gmail.com>>:

 Why?

 On multiple CentOS systems installed from the same CD using the same
 parameters, yum will either list updates and ask Y/n or just
 update/install stuff without confirmation; this irritates me, because
 sometimes I see updates I want to run in a separate batch for risk
 management, or I see that a kernel update is going to add 15MB to /boot
 which has 9MB free and I need to uninstall old kernels.

 apt is going to ask me whether to continue or not anyway; if I don't
 want to be asked, I'll use apt-get -y.  It may as well be informative
 about it, listing all packages to be installed, removed, and updated, as
 well as the disk space impact.

 What do you want apt to say instead?  "After this operation, some voodoo
 will happen that you don't need to worry about!  Continue?  [Y/n]"

 On 03/25/2015 08:42 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
 > apt-get will ask user about using significant amounts of disk space
 >
 > but it seems that what is considered as significant needs adjustment,
 > for me "major amount of disk space" is about 200MB but apt-get
 will ask
 > questions like "After this operation, 9805 kB of additional disk space
 > will be
 > used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]".
 >
 > I propose increasing this threshold to 50MB.
 >
 > I know that I can use parameters (with aliases or apt.conf I can even
 > make it
 > permanent) to completely skip this check.
 >
 > I am not aware about any way that allows user to configure this
 threshold
 > (see
 >
 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/596691/how-can-i-stop-apt-get-from-asking-about-using-minor-amounts-of-additional-disk
 > ).
 >
 > Note: i was directed to this mailing list by
 > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
 > ("Discussing features and existing policy") linked from
 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
 >
 >

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Re: Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[Stephen P. Villano]

On 3/25/15 9:06 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> No, I want to stop apt-get from asking dumb questions. Asking
> whatever it is OK to use 1/25000 of disk is a dumb question that
> should not be asked.
>
> At the same time it makes sense to ask for confirmation about
> installing 2GB of new programs, so -y is not a proper solution in
> that case (also, I mentioned "I know that I can use parameters
> (with aliases or apt.conf I can even make it permanent) to
> completely skip this check.").
>
> 2015-03-25 13:47 GMT+01:00 John Moser  >:
>
> Why?
>
> On multiple CentOS systems installed from the same CD using the same
> parameters, yum will either list updates and ask Y/n or just
> update/install stuff without confirmation; this irritates me, because
> sometimes I see updates I want to run in a separate batch for risk
> management, or I see that a kernel update is going to add 15MB to
> /boot
> which has 9MB free and I need to uninstall old kernels.
>
> apt is going to ask me whether to continue or not anyway; if I don't
> want to be asked, I'll use apt-get -y.  It may as well be informative
> about it, listing all packages to be installed, removed, and
> updated, as
> well as the disk space impact.
>
> What do you want apt to say instead?  "After this operation, some
> voodoo
> will happen that you don't need to worry about!  Continue?  [Y/n]"
>
> On 03/25/2015 08:42 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > apt-get will ask user about using significant amounts of disk space
> >
> > but it seems that what is considered as significant needs
> adjustment,
> > for me "major amount of disk space" is about 200MB but apt-get
> will ask
> > questions like "After this operation, 9805 kB of additional disk
> space
> > will be
> > used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]".
> >
> > I propose increasing this threshold to 50MB.
> >
> > I know that I can use parameters (with aliases or apt.conf I can
> even
> > make it
> > permanent) to completely skip this check.
> >
> > I am not aware about any way that allows user to configure this
> threshold
> > (see
> >
> 
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/596691/how-can-i-stop-apt-get-from-asking-about-using-minor-amounts-of-additional-disk
> > ).
> >
> > Note: i was directed to this mailing list by
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
> > ("Discussing features and existing policy") linked from
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
> >
> >
>
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Why not split the difference? Add in a configuration file option to
suppress the prompt or better, a size before being asked, with a "magic
number" disabling the prompt completely.
It adds flexibility.
Frankly, I like "stupid questions", it adds an air gap between a
momentary gaffe or lack of notice of previous options and it prevents
newbies from harming themselves easily.
But, I can see the reason of the request.
And fully reserve the right to laugh at future support requests when
/boot gets overfilled, an undesired kernel is installed, etc.
Only because, I've shot myself in the foot a few times over the decades.  :)
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Re: Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[Nils Kassube]

Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> No, I want to stop apt-get from asking dumb questions. Asking
> whatever it is OK to use 1/25000 of disk is a dumb question that
> should not be asked.

To my understanding "apt-get upgrade" asks independent of the change in 
disk space, i.e. even if there would be no change, it would ask.

> At the same time it makes sense to ask for confirmation about
> installing 2GB of new programs, so -y is not a proper solution in
> that case (also, I mentioned "I know that I can use parameters
> (with aliases or apt.conf I can even make it permanent) to
> completely skip this check.").

"apt-get upgrade" would not install new packages, so you could use it 
with the -y option. And if you want apt-get to also install new 
packages, like a new kernel, use "apt-get dist-upgrade" without the -y 
option.


Nils

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Re: Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[Colin Law]

On 25 March 2015 at 13:06, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:
> No, I want to stop apt-get from asking dumb questions. Asking
> whatever it is OK to use 1/25000 of disk is a dumb question that
> should not be asked.

I believe the point is that whether it asks or not is nothing to do
with how much space may be required.

Colin

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Re: Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[John Moser]

You want apt-get to go from

This will take 9,205kB disk space.
Continue? [Y/n]

to

Continue? [Y/n]

??

That's pointless.  That would create multiple layouts, requiring me to
assess what the output format is before reading the information from it.
 It would slow down my assessment of what Apt is telling me, because the
information would be in a different format.

You may as well randomly scramble the menu order on Firefox while you're
at it.

On 03/25/2015 09:06 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> No, I want to stop apt-get from asking dumb questions. Asking
> whatever it is OK to use 1/25000 of disk is a dumb question that
> should not be asked.
> 
> At the same time it makes sense to ask for confirmation about
> installing 2GB of new programs, so -y is not a proper solution in
> that case (also, I mentioned "I know that I can use parameters
> (with aliases or apt.conf I can even make it permanent) to
> completely skip this check.").
> 
> 2015-03-25 13:47 GMT+01:00 John Moser  >:
> 
> Why?
> 
> On multiple CentOS systems installed from the same CD using the same
> parameters, yum will either list updates and ask Y/n or just
> update/install stuff without confirmation; this irritates me, because
> sometimes I see updates I want to run in a separate batch for risk
> management, or I see that a kernel update is going to add 15MB to /boot
> which has 9MB free and I need to uninstall old kernels.
> 
> apt is going to ask me whether to continue or not anyway; if I don't
> want to be asked, I'll use apt-get -y.  It may as well be informative
> about it, listing all packages to be installed, removed, and updated, as
> well as the disk space impact.
> 
> What do you want apt to say instead?  "After this operation, some voodoo
> will happen that you don't need to worry about!  Continue?  [Y/n]"
> 
> On 03/25/2015 08:42 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > apt-get will ask user about using significant amounts of disk space
> >
> > but it seems that what is considered as significant needs adjustment,
> > for me "major amount of disk space" is about 200MB but apt-get
> will ask
> > questions like "After this operation, 9805 kB of additional disk space
> > will be
> > used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]".
> >
> > I propose increasing this threshold to 50MB.
> >
> > I know that I can use parameters (with aliases or apt.conf I can even
> > make it
> > permanent) to completely skip this check.
> >
> > I am not aware about any way that allows user to configure this
> threshold
> > (see
> >
> 
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/596691/how-can-i-stop-apt-get-from-asking-about-using-minor-amounts-of-additional-disk
> > ).
> >
> > Note: i was directed to this mailing list by
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
> > ("Discussing features and existing policy") linked from
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[Mateusz Konieczny]

No, I want to stop apt-get from asking dumb questions. Asking
whatever it is OK to use 1/25000 of disk is a dumb question that
should not be asked.

At the same time it makes sense to ask for confirmation about
installing 2GB of new programs, so -y is not a proper solution in
that case (also, I mentioned "I know that I can use parameters
(with aliases or apt.conf I can even make it permanent) to
completely skip this check.").

2015-03-25 13:47 GMT+01:00 John Moser :

> Why?
>
> On multiple CentOS systems installed from the same CD using the same
> parameters, yum will either list updates and ask Y/n or just
> update/install stuff without confirmation; this irritates me, because
> sometimes I see updates I want to run in a separate batch for risk
> management, or I see that a kernel update is going to add 15MB to /boot
> which has 9MB free and I need to uninstall old kernels.
>
> apt is going to ask me whether to continue or not anyway; if I don't
> want to be asked, I'll use apt-get -y.  It may as well be informative
> about it, listing all packages to be installed, removed, and updated, as
> well as the disk space impact.
>
> What do you want apt to say instead?  "After this operation, some voodoo
> will happen that you don't need to worry about!  Continue?  [Y/n]"
>
> On 03/25/2015 08:42 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > apt-get will ask user about using significant amounts of disk space
> >
> > but it seems that what is considered as significant needs adjustment,
> > for me "major amount of disk space" is about 200MB but apt-get will ask
> > questions like "After this operation, 9805 kB of additional disk space
> > will be
> > used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]".
> >
> > I propose increasing this threshold to 50MB.
> >
> > I know that I can use parameters (with aliases or apt.conf I can even
> > make it
> > permanent) to completely skip this check.
> >
> > I am not aware about any way that allows user to configure this threshold
> > (see
> >
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/596691/how-can-i-stop-apt-get-from-asking-about-using-minor-amounts-of-additional-disk
> > ).
> >
> > Note: i was directed to this mailing list by
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
> > ("Discussing features and existing policy") linked from
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
> >
> >
>
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Re: Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[John Moser]

Why?

On multiple CentOS systems installed from the same CD using the same
parameters, yum will either list updates and ask Y/n or just
update/install stuff without confirmation; this irritates me, because
sometimes I see updates I want to run in a separate batch for risk
management, or I see that a kernel update is going to add 15MB to /boot
which has 9MB free and I need to uninstall old kernels.

apt is going to ask me whether to continue or not anyway; if I don't
want to be asked, I'll use apt-get -y.  It may as well be informative
about it, listing all packages to be installed, removed, and updated, as
well as the disk space impact.

What do you want apt to say instead?  "After this operation, some voodoo
will happen that you don't need to worry about!  Continue?  [Y/n]"

On 03/25/2015 08:42 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> apt-get will ask user about using significant amounts of disk space
> 
> but it seems that what is considered as significant needs adjustment,
> for me "major amount of disk space" is about 200MB but apt-get will ask
> questions like "After this operation, 9805 kB of additional disk space
> will be
> used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]".
> 
> I propose increasing this threshold to 50MB.
> 
> I know that I can use parameters (with aliases or apt.conf I can even
> make it
> permanent) to completely skip this check.
> 
> I am not aware about any way that allows user to configure this threshold
> (see
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/596691/how-can-i-stop-apt-get-from-asking-about-using-minor-amounts-of-additional-disk
> ).
> 
> Note: i was directed to this mailing list by
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
> ("Discussing features and existing policy") linked from
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
> 
> 

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Change what is considered by apt-get as major amount of disk space

[Mateusz Konieczny]

apt-get will ask user about using significant amounts of disk space

but it seems that what is considered as significant needs adjustment,
for me "major amount of disk space" is about 200MB but apt-get will ask
questions like "After this operation, 9805 kB of additional disk space will
be
used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]".

I propose increasing this threshold to 50MB.

I know that I can use parameters (with aliases or apt.conf I can even make
it
permanent) to completely skip this check.

I am not aware about any way that allows user to configure this threshold
(see
http://askubuntu.com/questions/596691/how-can-i-stop-apt-get-from-asking-about-using-minor-amounts-of-additional-disk
).

Note: i was directed to this mailing list by
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
("Discussing features and existing policy") linked from
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
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