Re: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

2017-11-29 Thread Xen

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 29-11-2017 6:15:


3. Google also might help to report the bug to those responsible for
it. Maybe Ubuntu isn't the culprit.


The point that I'm trying to make is that even if it is simply a kernel 
issue not specific to Ubuntu, to the user Ubuntu is Ubuntu.


Also if these few inexperienced users manage to get their... somehow 
discover or learn to understand...


Or even solve it.

Everyone else who hasn't fallen into the trap yet will not.

You cannot expect inexperienced computer USERS to know AHEAD OF TIME 
what to look out for.


If you are also not going to broadcast this, I mean publicise this.

Then new people will walk into it time and time again.

At minimum there must be an advisory on the public download site not to 
use Ubuntu 17.10 with those laptops.


I mean like, are you going to inform anyone?

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

2017-11-29 Thread Xen

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 29-11-2017 6:15:


1. Before I bought my new mobo, I ensured that it doesn't force me to
use U/EFI/secure boot, to avoid all the known issues.


Can you tell me how Windows... I could look it up, but I have used.. or 
maybe I haven't... All I' m saying is that I am running Windows 10 
non-UEFI.



Perhaps the OP's
laptop allows this, too, so getting rid of an operating system 
enforcing

its usage, repairing the laptop and then reinstalling Ubuntu or any
other Linux distro without U/EFI/secure boot might be a solution.


Probably except that none of them can repair it, a few seem to be 
capable of reflashing the BIOS, a lone person basically desoldered the 
chip and reflashed it.


My own motherboard has issues with USB since booting Linux that seem to 
be persistent.


Ie. all of my smaller cq. cheaper hubs have stopped working all at once.

This isn't a pure Linux issue for me but Linux definitely aggravates it 
and it's really troublesome that I can't use any hubs at a distance.


My USB modem will work on 2 ports of a USB 3 card, but not on the 
internal port, while another device works on it just fine. But I'm sure 
in Windows, it does work on the internal port.


I was in a live session... played with a KVM switch... monitor went into 
standby... (16.04) -- no keyboard or mouse still worked and I lost the 
document I had been writing, and since it doesn't install an SSH server 
by default I couldn't retrieve it otherwise.


That was a good document too.

Why not use USB to store it? Well the stick I ought to use for that had 
issues with another motherboard where it would no longer work after 
rebooting from Linux, so I am fearful of using it.


That is to say, I wanted to get rid of it already etc...

Why write in a live sesion? LVM destroyed my system again after I merged 
a disconnected cache pool expecting it, a cache volume expecting it to 
clean its own metadata before reconnecting.


Until the LVM in Zesty I believe it seriously will... it will not clean 
the cache before connecting it.


Why am I still on 16.04? Well the last time... The last time LVM 
destroyed my system because I had dd'd a harddisk and ran "lvs" after 
that, and the LVM from Xenial will take the chance to happily...








2. Complete the Ubuntu bug report. Google might help you. Since the bug
report is flagged as being incomplete, the OP much likely already got
an email with hints, what is missing to complete it.


These were inexperienced users that saw their Laptop bricked.

I watched one bug report and there was no one actually asking for more 
info.



3. Google also might help to report the bug to those responsible for
it. Maybe Ubuntu isn't the culprit.


Ubuntu is the representative of its own system.

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