Re: blacklist pcspkr

2018-11-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:19:07 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>isnt it great that ubuntu allows you to modify the default (that
>pleases the majority of users)

I seriously doubt that the majority of users is pleased by a
blacklisted pcspkr. It isn't great that Ubuntu defaults to something
stupid, the bell always needs to be on for diagnostics, that isn't
something you can re-eanble on demand, let alone that it is e.g. used
to signal incoming mail by the _PC speaker_, while the "regular"
speakers or headphones play music only, but never ever the bell.

Laptops might not have a PC speaker. GNOME and other desktop
environment users, who migrated from Windows might have crap such as
desktop sounds enabled, however, a majority of Linux users for sure
aren't Windows migrants, but use UNIX alike computers for serious work,
in a for good reasons well established work flow.

Some things should make progress, art, science etc., other things are
well established and shouldn't be changed, since no sane progress is
possible. We use forks and knives and don't change it and we should use
the bell, too, since it is like forks and knives, the bell isn't
something like art, science etc. ...

IOW it's not great if Ubuntu developers don't fix a bug, but instead
shut away forks and knives during dinner.

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Re: blacklist pcspkr

2018-11-06 Thread Oliver Grawert
Am Dienstag, den 06.11.2018, 06:31 +0100 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> Hi,
> 
> when upgrading Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS right now I noticed something
> alarming.
> 
> "Configuration file '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf'
>  ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
>  ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
>    What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
> Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
> N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
>   D : show the differences between the versions
>   Z : start a shell to examine the situation
>  The default action is to keep your current version.
> *** blacklist.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? d
> --- /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf  2016-10-23 23:06:36.499257451
> +0200 +++ /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf.dpkg-new 2018-10-29
> [snip]
>  # ugly and loud noise, getting on everyone's nerves; this should be
> done by a # nice pulseaudio bing (Ubuntu: #77010)
> -#blacklist pcspkr
> +blacklist pcspkr
> [snip]"
> 
> pcspkr is a good tool for error diagnosis. Replacing it by a bloated
> sound server is risky, since the sound server easily could fail,
> while
> pcspkr is know to work without issues.

this had originally never anything to do with sound servers per-se but
mainly with the fact that you have zero volume control over the speaker
without using one ...

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/331589

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/290204

... as you noted you can easily re-enable it if you need it for
diagnostics) ...

> I'm using either plain ALSA or jackd with the ALSA backend, if I need
> audio, just to listen to something from the Internet or to do
> professional grade audio productions, _but_ if I don't need to listen
> to speech or other audio material, such as music, then I don't turn
on
> an amplifier, I also don't want a sound server to waste my computer's
> resources, if I need signals from MUAs, the terminal etc., instead
I'm
> using a PC speaker beep. 

and isnt it great that ubuntu allows you to modify the default (that
pleases the majority of users) so that you can run your own custom
setup ? :)

ciao
oli

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