Re: artwork
On 10/25/2009 10:19 PM, Dustin Kirkland wrote: First, before sending an email criticizing aesthetics, I would pass my own text through a spell checker and carefully examine the format of the composition. Questioning the messenger instead of the message is a logical fallacy. :P -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
Currently, the Apache Maven package doesn't work due to the libplexus packages (a Maven dependency) being synced from Debian but not Maven itself. According to the bug reports [1][2], this isn't going to be fixed for Karmic and the Maven package will most likely just be dropped. First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). Second, There are a great many people who are currently using Maven in Ubuntu. If it is necessary to drop the packages you really need to warn people during the upgrade process so they won't spend too much time wondering why their projects aren't building anymore (or so they can stick to 9.04 for the time being). It should also be mentioned in the release notes that Ubuntu no longer supports Maven because that would certainly come as a surprise to developers and would factor into their decision on which version to install. I've created a bug report for that [3] but it doesn't appear to have been looked at yet. True, it's only been a few days, but since the release date is quite close now I figured I'd shoot off this email so hopefully this will be resolved one way or the other before the release. 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/427539 2. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/417164 3. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/450554 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
You *do* understand that Maven is Apache's replacement for Ant, don't you? -Alvin On 10/15/2009 12:53 PM, John Moser wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson al...@thompsonlogic.com wrote: First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). I laughed. Your pet project is NOT pretty much required for X in any global scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
You're *seriously* trying to make the argument that a build tool--especially the one that is due to replace Ant--isn't essential to Java developers? [Alvin files John Moser's name in the list of people NEVER to hire as a developer...] On 10/15/2009 01:29 PM, John Moser wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Dustin Kirklandkirkl...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Moserjohn.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson al...@thompsonlogic.com wrote: First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). I laughed. Your pet project is NOT pretty much required for X in any global scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) Hi John- I'm not a Java developer, but I certainly know of Maven. It is as essential to Java programmers as Make is to C programmers. I think he's overstating the popularity and necessity of a particular package, to a large degree. There are plenty of Java programs in Ubuntu; with Maven being dropped, they should all cease to build, and also be dropped (imagine dropping gmake). Unless, of course, Maven isn't really essential to anything. I could state that a LiveCD build of Nexuiz is essential to a successful Linux build, because everyone wants to play FPS games and we can't have a real operating system if you can't just reboot your computer onto a cleanroom disc with Nexuiz in it. While Nexuiz does exist, and is fun, it's hardly essential for anything (even flexing Ubuntu as a gaming platform), and a LiveCD boot to run a single application is obviously just a pet project of mine. I will continue to laugh at people who present anything with *a* user base as something *essential* to an *entire* class of users, unless it obviously is and thus dropping it would horribly break Ubuntu's functionality or drastically alter the user experience for the entire install base (i.e. libc-dev for C programmers, OpenOffice.org-Writer or Firefox getting dropped, etc). Something only used by a subset of a subset of the userbase isn't required for that whole subset to function, just the further subset thereof. Again, case in point, if Ubuntu drops Maven and suddenly every Java application fails to build on the BS, then Maven is required for Java programming. I can't weigh in on the discussion about removing Maven, but I don't think it's appropriate to attack Alvin for stating his support of Maven in Ubuntu. :-Dustin -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Icons in Place and System
I think they *are* missing by accident. If you select System--Preferences--Appearance--'Interface' tab--Show Icons in menus the icons come back. The fact that only a few menu items respect this setting is a bug, IMO. -Alvin On 10/13/2009 01:24 PM, Matthew East wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Matthew Paul Thomasm...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 coz DS wrote on 12/10/09 17:05: Hey all, I am running ubuntu 9.10 right now fresh install... I noticed no icons under System menu and a few missing from Places menu in Gnome. There are fewer icons in menus generally. Places and System are just two examples. Shouldn't this be an all or nothing approach? I'm not attached to the icons myself but it does look a bit inconsistent in these menus to have some items without icons and other items (or submenu items) with icons. It makes it look, at least to me, as if the icons are missing by accident. Maybe it is worth discussing with upstream whether there is widespread agreement on the right approach, and following that. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Icons in Place and System
Yup, that's what I meant by a bug. Since the option is unchecked there probably should be no icons at all in the menus, but instead most are still there except the ones mentioned which makes things seem inconsistent. When the option is checked all the icons are indeed present, which addresses the original complaint of the post with respect to missing icons. -Alvin On 10/13/2009 04:41 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 13:23 -0700, George Farris wrote: I'm saying that Applications and Places have icons but System doesn't and that looks unfinished and not consistent. I think that's the bug, because I have them in all three menus. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
