Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 16:24 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Gross wrote on 28/10/10 01:01: ... It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home folder from the boot partition to a data partition. Ideally, the tool would support creating a data partition by resizing the boot partition, as well as recommending a minimum size for the data partition based on the size of the home folder. Ideally, i think, such a setup could already be suggested during the Ubuntu installation process. Perhaps, under an advanced setup heading -- removing the need to move the home partition. The main benefit for such a setup, is that it allows reinstalling Ubuntu without loosing the users data, which would be safely sitting in a separate data partition. ... That is a common misconception. Reinstalling Ubuntu on the same partition doesn't lose the user's data either. It sure is if I choose to format the partition -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 17:58 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, August 30, 2010 05:49:48 pm George Farris wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:20 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:22:40PM -0400, Greg Bair wrote: On 08/28/2010 08:35 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: I was under the impression that Firestarter was no longer being maintained/developed. Wrong? Lastest stable, 1.0.3, was released in 2005, so I don't think so. See the section on Firestarter at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewall I just read this so maybe Firestarter won't be needed after all. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-firewall-gui-for-ufw.html That's not particularly news. Gufw is available in all supported releases except Hardy (and it can be gotten from hardy-backports there). Scott K Gufw is in no way suitable for a new user. They have no idea what iptables are or rules for that matter. George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 17:21 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 07:59 -0700, George Farris wrote: Gufw is in no way suitable for a new user. They have no idea what iptables are or rules for that matter. George What is the actual use case for a simple and graphical firewall? Why do people who have no idea what iptables or rules are should have to use firewall at all? Cheers, KK Well I'm thinking for many, many users they aren't aware of what TCP is or rules or how the entire thing functions. We probably need some sort of assistant that will set the rules up into known secure states and then offer the user an easy way to add incoming or out going connections without the language barrier. Gufw is close but needs better new user support. For example the list of Programs in the Pre-configured section should maybe include such things as remote desktop, file sharing, media sharing. These are things users will want to do. Also with extended view on it shows one the row number of the rule but what does that mean? Who would know that it is the priority of the rule, hovering the mouse over it says, Insert the rule in the specified row. In Simple rules there is no explanation of what TCP or UDP or BOTH is and why one would want that. Possible a quick pointer to some documentation would help in the tooltip or something similar. Those are the first things that come to mind. Cheers George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firestarter
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:10 -0700, Jim Kielman wrote: There is a tool for setting firewall rules installed by default called ufw, for those that need a graphical tool to set firewall rules, it's just as easy to install gufw, as it is to install firestarter. Have you actually looked at Gufw compared to Firestarter? It's totally not useful for a beginning user. Yes Gufw is great once you know things about firewalls but to say it can replace Firestarter is way out in left field. If you want Ubuntu to be easy to use Gufw is totally wrong. Cheers George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firestarter
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 08:18 -0700, George Farris wrote: On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:10 -0700, Jim Kielman wrote: There is a tool for setting firewall rules installed by default called ufw, for those that need a graphical tool to set firewall rules, it's just as easy to install gufw, as it is to install firestarter. Have you actually looked at Gufw compared to Firestarter? It's totally not useful for a beginning user. Yes Gufw is great once you know things about firewalls but to say it can replace Firestarter is way out in left field. If you want Ubuntu to be easy to use Gufw is totally wrong. Cheers George Sorry all that sounded a bit negative, not what I meant it to be. Too early Monday morning:-) Cheers George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:20 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:22:40PM -0400, Greg Bair wrote: On 08/28/2010 08:35 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: I was under the impression that Firestarter was no longer being maintained/developed. Wrong? Lastest stable, 1.0.3, was released in 2005, so I don't think so. See the section on Firestarter at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewall I just read this so maybe Firestarter won't be needed after all. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-firewall-gui-for-ufw.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Come on people, F-Spot has been able to NOT copy photos for a few releases now. Yes there are problems with it's speed etc but please gets the facts straight. Just uncheck the copy photos checkbox when importing. Cheers On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:43 +0300, Lucian Adrian Grijincu wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Mario Vukelic mario.vuke...@dantian.org wrote: I don't have an ongoing problem with the importing of photos, since new photos are on the camera's SD card anyway, and of course I want to have them copied somewhere. Though yes, initially it *was* a big step to give up on my existing directory hierarchy and surrender to F-Spot, and I do think that it can be a hurdle, even though I'm personally happy with having done so. One should also consider the a dual-booter's experience with F-Spot. You may be considering switching to Ubuntu but for any kind of reason you're still stuck using Windows (be it games, or some Windows-only software, etc.). During the years you have amassed an impressive collection of photos that you've carefully organised, categorized, tagged, named, etc. Such collections typically occupy at least a few GB or a few tens of GB. How would you feel if F-Spot demanded importing all those photos by copying the to your 15GB Ubuntu partition? Wouldn't you think F-Spot (or if you're not very techy: Ubuntu) is inferior to your Windows tools? -- . ..: Lucian -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
Great can you please provide a detailed bug report that points to this actually being Pulseaudio then it can be resolved. Thank you On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 15:53 -0700, I.E.G. wrote: By introduction I'm a hack of a user and not all that aware of the ins and outs of posting to this list let alone the development , configuration , and liabilities of PulseAudio . None of that is the point of my attempting to post . (we'll see if this works ) . I have gone out of my way to search for methods to remove and or disable PluseAudio . My first attempt removed the entire Gnome desktop through my own inattention. You may have seen like cases where packages to be removed in synaptic includes the gnome desktop and dummies like me click through . Oh well lesson learned . Subsequent efforts to disable and or remove PulseAudio have been more successful and far less traumatic because I am able to RTFM and learn from mistakes . I however am something more than a casual plug and play user . I am competent if not occasionally dangerous at the command line . I have skills acquired in the early days of *BSD and Solaris . I am not afraid to tinker . I am stating this history to make the point that for a common user that barely knows what a bug report is let alone files one .. Is a plug and play(pray) new Ubuntu user as an alternative to M$ and just wants it to work is capable of understanding the GUI and using software sources and synaptic as well as the update manager and can regularly tie their own shoes with out undo help . Gentlemen and Ladies I have not had any success in total or in part with PulseAudio . I have had a single trip to youtube for instance inactivate all audio on my system(s) . I have had VLC not only fail to produce any audio but seg_fault . I have experienced the aforementioned halting stutter and latency in web stream , VLC , MoviePlayer and asterisk based softphones . Suffice to say I didn't bother fixing or configuring it I just found the least path of resistance to audio and deleted , disabled or otherwise worked around it . I still to this moment as a step in installation of even, Lucid stop just after all updates are installed and find some way to eradicate PulseAudio. I just thought a response from the every day user (since 6.04) that has no political nor development agenda might have some small use . If it works I use it . If it doesn't I google it . If google turns up dissension and wildly conflicting oping as to the cause of the malfunction I punt on third down and in this case revert to ALSA which I have had success with . Sorry for the rambling , non technical dissertation but I felt we the users(if I dare speak for more than myself) needed to be heard . Thank You all for your time and patience ~Dennis one of these days I will have an internet connection faster than my computer -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Why and why.
HI all, I just upgraded to 10.04 and Rhythmbox is all messed up. Why oh why when it was working perfectly does some one who presumable never used it messes it all up. First you can no longer click on the icon in the panel and have the app toggle to window mode and then back to an icon. Also one can no longer middle click and have it stop playing. A total removal of features and for what...extra mouse clicks..how annoying is that. I find this type of thing absolutely amazing. Hope to have this functionality returned soon but. Was this a mistake or? Yes much of 10.04 is better but this is just plain weird. Disgusted. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 20:58 +0200, Remco wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:45, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: It is proposed that from 11.04 the notification area (which allows actions like opening the window with single click and pausing with middle click) will be replaced entirely with indicator applet . So just get used to clicking more if you continue to use Ubuntu. Wait just a bit. The problem is that the notification area is a poor replacement of the window list. Instead of big strips with an icon and a title, it's just a tiny icon. And that icon even has arbitrary behavior. The idea is to get rid of the notification area *and* to reintroduce the removed features in the window list, application indicator, or any other place where it is actually appropriate. Well then IMHO it should probably have been left at the old behavior until it was ready. Why totally mess people up with something they have been doing for years? It seems an odd and very broken decision process. Just sayin! Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Should Short really be username when creating a user in users-admin
On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 20:13 +0100, Rene Veerman wrote: +1 for username instead of shortname.. Shortname is completely confusing. Epic fail guys. No one knows what a short name is. We have spend decades training people to understand both login name and username why on earth would we change it. It's like saying no son those aren't steering wheels anymore , they are now call direction wheels. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Here lies the responsiblity
Well we've certainly seen a few problems with Karmic. I have reports from new or upgrading users of crashing applications etc. So here is what I see as the major problem. Ubuntu has had such good success that to many people, Ubuntu and Linux are one and the same thing. Ubuntu = Linux and Linux = Ubuntu. Canonical now has the responsibility, yes let me say that again, Canonical has a responsibility, to the entire Linux world, to be very careful with what they put out. Now I have no problem with releasing Karmic but please, for all the rest of us, including other distributions and companies that have worked hard over many years to promote Linux, MARK IT AS DEVELOPMENT. Karmic has some great stuff in it and I applaud the developers but it has done nothing good for Linux on the desktop in the eyes of new and upgrading users not to mention the media. Canonical, you have the power, accept responsibility. Save the usable releases to well debugged versions. Make this crystal clear to all the media as well. Cheers -- George Farris george.far...@viu.ca Vancouver Island University As Open Source continues to explode, and as we continue to see such huge growth and success as it spreads across the world and into different industries, we all need to remember that the raw ingredients that make this happen are enthusiastic, smart, decent people, and I for one feel privileged to spend every day with these people. Jono Bacon -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Here lies the responsiblity
Well we've certainly seen a few problems with Karmic. I have reports from new or upgrading users of crashing applications etc. So here is what I see as the major problem. Ubuntu has had such good success that to many people, Ubuntu and Linux are one and the same thing. Ubuntu = Linux and Linux = Ubuntu. Canonical now has the responsibility, yes let me say that again, Canonical has a responsibility, to the entire Linux world, to be very careful with what they put out. Now I have no problem with releasing Karmic but please, for all the rest of us, including other distributions and companies that have worked hard over many years to promote Linux, MARK IT AS DEVELOPMENT. Karmic has some great stuff in it and I applaud the developers but it has done nothing good for Linux on the desktop in the eyes of new and upgrading users not to mention the media. Canonical, you have the power, accept responsibility. Save the usable releases to well debugged versions. Make this crystal clear to all the media as well. Cheers -- George Farris george.far...@viu.ca Vancouver Island University As Open Source continues to explode, and as we continue to see such huge growth and success as it spreads across the world and into different industries, we all need to remember that the raw ingredients that make this happen are enthusiastic, smart, decent people, and I for one feel privileged to spend every day with these people. Jono Bacon -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Broken session idling/power management in Karmic
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:36 +, Alexander H Deriziotis wrote: Is there hope for this to be fixed in karmic? I'm no developer, but I think that's very unlikely. It seems to me your best bet would be to try and avoid using the software which breaks the idle-indicators, or if that's too much hassle, just skip Karmic altogether and hope it's fixed in Lucid. Ubuntu does ship pretty bleeding edge software provided by upstream, so regressions are to be expected. It's only a 6 month wait after all. According to this logic nothing will ever get smoothed out and quite frankly we're all getting a little tired of that. What they should do is publicly mark this distro: We have just released Karmic, due to the many upstream technology changes such as HAL depreciation, inclusion of Empathy, etc, etc, please consider this a bleeding edge distro not meant for regular distribution. Business and regular users may want to consider sticking with an older release or waiting for 10.04 I've been using Ubuntu since Warty and I understand the logic in the Linux community of HAL isn't doing what we want, we're ripping it out and replacing it. I think that is a great thing, something we have over the other OS's, but don't paint Karmic as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Take 9.10 and tune it until it just works and then have a marketing frenzy. Trust me, working at the University and also running the Linux users group in the area, it would be much better to point at the release and say, see this is marked as a development version, you can expect fairly basic things not to work. People are happy with that, the press is happy with that, business is happy with that. What I would hate to see is, wonderful press release about Karmic, blathering on about all the goodness, only to have people rip it apart due to some fairly visible bugs. Lets just be up front about it and not drop any nasty surprises on people. Cheers George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 09:07 -0400, Daniel Robitaille wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Jan Claeys li...@janc.be wrote: Op maandag 26-10-2009 om 14:36 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef George Farris: Oh right and also http://www.cbc.ca/video none of them play in Firefox. If anyone knows how to debug this stuff I'd love to try, but really it works with Firefox on Windows and Mac but not Linux, Fail. Well, I got a We're sorry the video you've selected cannot be streamed outside of Canada movie, so it seems to work on linux too... ;-) except that it seems if you actually live in Canada, the flash video doesn't actually play. I have the exact problem than George, and Google searches seems to indicate that others may also have the same problem. I wouldn't qualify this as a showstopper for Karmic and I wouldn't be surprised this is not a Ubuntu problem but something they do on cbc.ca's side, but it is annoying nevertheless for the the few Canadians Linux users out there who cannot to access the online videos from our national broadcaster. By the way, this is the bug report George opened about this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/455852 Yes and more than a few Canadian Linux users but it's sad you can't get it outside of Canada, that sucks. However, the fact remains that stuff like this just works under both Windows and Mac and that is the real stick in the eye. And yes this could very easily happen to non Canadian sites as well. Oh and: It is a Linux problem, it doesn't work Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 14:16 -0500, solaris manzur wrote: 1. Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready (Markus Hitter) I agree we should cancel it and deliver 9.12 in a week or so.. it is better because it is the time and we still have bugs in kernel, when changing icon set they are not well applied, ISO files are not well mounted, some icons are lost from main menu which is actually a bug since canonical just wanted to take icons off context menus and many many more... I also agree. There are some major high level functions such as ISO files that really need to be working well. For example I can't burn two copies of an ISO in a row, it doesn't work. Totem doesn't always play a custom DVD, whereas VLC and Mplayer work fine, maybe because there is no menu on it, not sure. Services has gone from System-Administration which after being there for a few years is not good at best. Icons in Apps and Places but not System. Empathy not being able to accept a connection until one turns off notifications. IMHO poor colours in GDM. Evolution displays a red circle with a slash through it for delete. The rest of the world knows a trash can icon. All in all it just looks a little unpolished at the moment and the press will probably pick up on it. Now having said all this I want to give my heart felt thanks and recognition to all the people that have worked hard to get Karmic to where it is today. It really is awesome, just needs to be left in the oven a little while longer. Cheers George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 22:05 +0100, Jonathan Ernst wrote: Hello, Le lundi 26 octobre 2009 à 13:45 -0700, George Farris a écrit : [...] I also agree. There are some major high level functions such as ISO files that really need to be working well. For example I can't burn two copies of an ISO in a row, it doesn't work. Totem doesn't always play a custom DVD, whereas VLC and Mplayer work fine, maybe because there is no menu on it, not sure. Services has gone from System-Administration which after being there for a few years is not good at best. Icons in Apps and Places but not System. Empathy not being able to accept a connection until one turns off notifications. Did you report all those bugs? If those bugs have already been reported do you care to give their bug numbers? Yes I have reported most of them. And just to note I'm not really complaining so much as pointing out that we are playing with the big boys here and it needs to be right. Linux desktop distributions have gone too many years at being half cut, well more than half but... We need to make things work, and while I know that the move from HAL has caused problems it should be delayed if it isn't right. There are too many little, what the heck? issues currently. Right out of the gate I've had new users say umm I've got a notification of a new buddy, how do I accept it? Thats an epic fail folks because there is no way to accept it unless you go turn off notifications. I've also had people say I can't make a second copy of this disk and even though I have EJECT turned on it doesn't These are high profile everyday things that should work. If I could fix them I would but I'm not that way inclined so the best I can do is raise the issues and file bug reports. Cheers George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 13:40 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 20.10.2009 um 11:26 schrieb Michael Zoet: I think it is a big mistake to believe server administration is easy when you have a GUI. That's mostly true, but in a GUI you have much easier access to HowTos, the web in general, man pages and so on. Additionally, you can assist an admin with Popups, colors and graphs. Menus give a much better overview than an invisible list of options, and so on ... This is certainly true and while I'm a command line guy, have been for years, it is very difficult to keep up with changes in command line tools as things come and go. This is where the GUI shines. Just look at all the wealth of information out there about how to configure LDAP for example. If you Google for this you will end up with much that is just plain wrong. Again this is where the GUI really shines. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 13:40 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 20.10.2009 um 11:26 schrieb Michael Zoet: I think it is a big mistake to believe server administration is easy when you have a GUI. That's mostly true, but in a GUI you have much easier access to HowTos, the web in general, man pages and so on. Additionally, you can assist an admin with Popups, colors and graphs. Menus give a much better overview than an invisible list of options, and so on ... Just to add to this, it doesn't really have to be a GUI it could be a nice curses based app as well. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: PulseAudio Managers
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 22:33 +1100, Kyle Amadio wrote: There seems to be something seriously wrong with the PulseAudio managers. And has anyone seen this little blurb from Lennart? Did Ubuntu really f**k this up or http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pa-in-ubuntu.html Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Icons in Place and System
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 18:24 +0100, Matthew East wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 coz DS wrote on 12/10/09 17:05: Hey all, I am running ubuntu 9.10 right now fresh install... I noticed no icons under System menu and a few missing from Places menu in Gnome. There are fewer icons in menus generally. Places and System are just two examples. Shouldn't this be an all or nothing approach? I'm not attached to the icons myself but it does look a bit inconsistent in these menus to have some items without icons and other items (or submenu items) with icons. It makes it look, at least to me, as if the icons are missing by accident. Maybe it is worth discussing with upstream whether there is widespread agreement on the right approach, and following that. I have to agree. Having icons in the main menu looks good and professional but having them missing from the System menu makes the system look...well, unfinished. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Icons in Place and System
No that turns on icons for everything. I'm saying that Applications and Places have icons but System doesn't and that looks unfinished and not consistent. A paper cut if you will. On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 15:17 -0400, Alvin Thompson wrote: I think they *are* missing by accident. If you select System--Preferences--Appearance--'Interface' tab--Show Icons in menus the icons come back. The fact that only a few menu items respect this setting is a bug, IMO. -Alvin On 10/13/2009 01:24 PM, Matthew East wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Matthew Paul Thomasm...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 coz DS wrote on 12/10/09 17:05: Hey all, I am running ubuntu 9.10 right now fresh install... I noticed no icons under System menu and a few missing from Places menu in Gnome. There are fewer icons in menus generally. Places and System are just two examples. Shouldn't this be an all or nothing approach? I'm not attached to the icons myself but it does look a bit inconsistent in these menus to have some items without icons and other items (or submenu items) with icons. It makes it look, at least to me, as if the icons are missing by accident. Maybe it is worth discussing with upstream whether there is widespread agreement on the right approach, and following that. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Evolution attachments
I've just noticed that the new Evolution no long displays a paper clip in the toolbar for adding attachments. This function has now moved to a button at the bottom of the window. Almost every email application in the world uses the paper clip as an indication of adding attachments, why then did Evo remove it? Weird idea folks. We spend years getting people used to an idea, quite a good one in my mind, then in one crazed instance we bash their brains against the wall and remove it. Does anyone else find this just totally strange? Do you have any idea the amount of support requests a simple thing like this creates. Anyway thanks for the rant time. Hope we can put back the clip. Cheers George -- George Farris george.far...@viu.ca Vancouver Island University As Open Source continues to explode, and as we continue to see such huge growth and success as it spreads across the world and into different industries, we all need to remember that the raw ingredients that make this happen are enthusiastic, smart, decent people, and I for one feel privileged to spend every day with these people. Jono Bacon -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:59 -0400, Stuart Read wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the situation is nearly as bleak as you paint it here, Hear, hear. I don't really know anything about audio but when I started using Ubuntu (Dapper) it was bad (for me). Now, every release the audio situation on my old craptop gets better and easier to use. So thanks. -Stuart I want to also insert my kudos to the Karmic team, audio is indeed getting better with each new release. I chalk this up to the hard work of the community, PA, Alsa and apps. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Karmic bluetooth woes.
I searched for bluetooth bugs in karmic but didn't find this. Has anyone else had a problem bringing up the Select New Device dialog? When I click that nothing happens, no dialog, nada. This is on the netbook remix version. It was working fine in 9.04 netbook remix. I'll file a bug if no one has any suggestions. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Excuse me, please.
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 12:35 -0400, Jonathan Taylor wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, please forgive my intrusion. I had no idea that you were the developers for Ubuntu. I will withdraw now. I have no desire to waste your valuable time with my noob problems. I'm sure you all work very hard and are much smarter than me. One day Ubuntu will be something someone like me can use with more ease. Good luck. Jonathan Taylor gring...@gmail.com That's okay Jonathan, if you think Ubuntu is hard you should try Windows some day, talk about hard, man, driver hell, no easy printer installs, the list goes on and on, it really is amazingly bad. Cheers George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time
Here is another reason. The documentation is lacking, big gaps and holes in it. Take a look at help.ubuntu.com and lets just choose something at random. Try find a clear, concise example of how to configure multiple public facing IP addresses/ethernet boards in 9.04 KVM. Not there. Want another example, go again to the server docs and try and find where it talks about mapping an ethernet device (ethx) to a specific NIC, nope not there. There are all sorts of holes like this all over official Ubuntu documentation. Really the docs have got to get a whole lot better to make this happen. There is lots of information, half of it not relevant to the current version etc, etc. I really like Ubuntu but I struggle to find how to do some simple things at times, I've been using Linux for many years and if I have problems, you can imagine how new users must feel. Documentation AND examples are one of the most important things there is. Cheers George -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Update on audio, call for testers, and ponies
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 15:40 -0400, Daniel Chen wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:20 AM, George Farrisfarr...@cc.mala.bc.ca wrote: I'm sure you are aware of this but one never knows. Any comment about whether this is fixed in Karmic? Unfortunately, I have not tested this use case (I don't use that application). Hopefully you will report whether your symptom in Jaunty is alleviated. -Dan Well from what I can see, pretty much any application that uses gstreamer and pulseaudio, and plays video, will exhibit this behavior. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: about empathy as the default IM application
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:18 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: On 16/06/2009 Ken VanDine wrote: If you really need OTR, you can install pidgin. All the users I've shown OTR to agreed it's an extremely good thing to have. You can not know if your boss is watching you. Cryptography tools available for the masses in an easy way is another way to distinguish a free software distribution from . Ops, win is just tree letters isn't it :) I agree and use OTR all the time, however, if more people start using Empathy then hopefully an OTR plugin will be ported sooner rather than later. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Fwd: Turn off touchpad while typing]
Shouldn't we have this type of thing in the touchpad settings and I would think it should be enabled by default. Forwarded Message From: dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Turn off touchpad while typing Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:21:07 -0700 Turn off touchpad while typing 1. Create a backup copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf 2. Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. 3. Locate the following section: Section InputDevice Identifier Synaptics Touchpad 4. Add the following entry to the end of the section: Option SHMConfig on 5. Save the file. 6. Start the Session Manager. To do this, on the System menu, point to Preferences, and then click Sessions. 7. Click the Startup Programs tab, and then click Add. 8. In the Name box, type a descriptive name. 9. In the Command box, type syndaemon -d -t -i 2. Note: In this example, 2 represents the number of seconds to disable the mouse pad after the last character has been typed. 10. Type a description, and then click OK. 11. Restart the session. To do this, close any running programs, and then press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [Fwd: Turn off touchpad while typing]
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 20:09 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 10:25 -0700 schrieb George Farris: Shouldn't we have this type of thing in the touchpad settings and I would think it should be enabled by default. thats pretty irrelevant now that hal manages all input devices and you dont need to muck about with xorg.conf at all anymore so the dangerous SHMConfig on isnt needed anymore ... hal-set-property should be all you need ... So ummm how does one use hal-set-property to turn the mousepad off while typing and turn it back on 1.5 seconds after you stop typing? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Intrepid hangs on boot often
Hi all, I have a Dell Inspiron and an Acer Aspire 2000 and both seem to hang on boot quite often. For example: I just ran all the latest updates on the Dell this morning, new kernel, won't boot, it hangs. Last successful boot works and then if I don't switch the machine off the new kernel will boot. In fact while writing this email and testing the system has both boot and hung. When it hangs it stops at: iTCO_wdt: Found a ICH7-M TCO device (Version=2, TCOBASE=0x1060) iTCO_wdt: initialized, heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0) Then I turn it off, reboot, use the exact same kernel and it boots??? I also don't think it always stops at the same place. Now I can't get it to hang at all. Oh well... I've noticed this type of regression with a number of machines and 8.10 using the both the live CD and installed version. Cheers all -- George Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vancouver Island University As Open Source continues to explode, and as we continue to see such huge growth and success as it spreads across the world and into different industries, we all need to remember that the raw ingredients that make this happen are enthusiastic, smart, decent people, and I for one feel privileged to spend every day with these people. Jono Bacon -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Glabels has a newer version athat works
Hi all, Any chance of getting Glables 2.2.x into Intrepid? 2.1.x takes hours to print, yes I'm not kidding. 2.2.x fixes the problem by moving to gtk print. Cheers -- George Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vancouver Island University As Open Source continues to explode, and as we continue to see such huge growth and success as it spreads across the world and into different industries, we all need to remember that the raw ingredients that make this happen are enthusiastic, smart, decent people, and I for one feel privileged to spend every day with these people. Jono Bacon -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Disappointed with Ubuntu Server, could be used by such a wider audience
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 12:38 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: This is not about running an enterprise/business server which I agree should be understood at a deeper level. It is about giving home users a simple, nice way to get some functionality from Ubuntu. Generally you can do any server things from a desktop if you install the needed things. For easy Apache configurations there is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rapache There's a pending request to have it backported to Hardy. What's needed are people who understand the under the hood part of servers well enough to write such a thing and also care enough about the GUI experience to do it. Ubuntu Server is a young project and is headed toward being able to support such things, but it won't happen overnight. What we lack isn't ideas or understanding of the need, but people to do the actual work to provide it. Yes it's true and I do understand this. We also need to have people understand that the server market is split into pieces. The enterprise,business,home servers should essentially be two or three different configurations of Ubuntu. Take a look at the Microsoft home server project. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/default.mspx It is light years ahead of Ubuntu server for the **average** home user, not the geek home user. It's a market that can't be ignored. I'm sure you are all aware of this anyway, it was the post that users should just learn to configure the server which misses the whole MS Home Server idea and opportunity. Market share are key words. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Developemnt and use - Training manual
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:38 +0300, Billy Cina wrote: Right, so if we want to use the manual in our Community Education course to introduce and teach Ubuntu Linux while charging the student a fee for the course, this would be okay? Note: these are not degree courses they fall into the same category as learn to paint or better life through yoga. Strictly for community personal interest with charges usually between $50.00 - $199.00 Non-profit are key words. $50 - $199.00 sounds like profit seeking to me. Billy Cina Exactly which brings me back to the original question. It seems a little out of touch with the rest of Ubuntu. If one can take Hardy Heron and use it to present a course on Linux while charging for the course, why wouldn't you have the license similar for the documents? Charge for the course (not the material) but use the material to refer to in the course. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Developemnt and use - Training manual
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 11:53 +0300, Billy Cina wrote: Hi All, The purpose of the license is to prevent the material being used for profit-seeking purposes. If you (or anyone else) is from a not-for-profit institution or running community classes etc., then this material is 100% intended for that. Charging students minimal fees to cover expenses is also ok. Hope this clears any misunderstanding. Best regards Billy Cina Training Programmes Manager Right, so if we want to use the manual in our Community Education course to introduce and teach Ubuntu Linux while charging the student a fee for the course, this would be okay? Note: these are not degree courses they fall into the same category as learn to paint or better life through yoga. Strictly for community personal interest with charges usually between $50.00 - $199.00 -- George Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Malapsina University-College -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Developemnt and use - Training manual
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training This site has an Instructor and Student training manual for Ubuntu. The license says share and add to but not for commercial use. Why ion earth would you not allow Educational Institutions to use this material in classes. I find this very strange. Possibly the license could be tweaked to at least allow training people with this material. If anyone has any information about this I would be very interested. Cheers all. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unneeded System Tools menu
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 12:48 +0200, Milan wrote: In Hardy, all applications that don't really manage system-wide or user settings were moved from System-Preferences and -Administration to Applications-System Tools. This is a good idea as a general rule since previously both configuration menus were bloated by numerous tools. But in the default install, adding a System Tools menu in Applications in not user-friendly. The two only tools that appear there are hwtest-gtk and gnome-system-monitor: these are not likely to be used by the base user; furthermore, their use is very different from that of most applications, i.e. editing documents, and so on. So I suggest we choose either to put g-s-m and back to System-Administration, or we hide its icon, adding elsewhere a way to start it (a keyboard shortcut?), and the sme for hwtest-gtk. We may consider short-term and long-term solutions to this, because the current situation is IMHO not very good. Please don't consider this type of thing, hide the icon. There is nothing more annoying for users than getting used to a certain thing and then having it completely changed. Please consider this carefully and then plan the change with the goal to leave it that way for a long time. As founder and head of the Cowichan Valley Linux Users Group I have been helping people install and use Linux for many years and one of the biggest single annoyances is changing menus and locations of programs on people. As more and more people and businesses begin to use Ubuntu, they want/need to see some stability. This comment, gnome-system-monitor: these are not likely to be used by the base user, is just plain wrong if for example, in a business setting, the users have been taught to use gsm only to find it suddenly disappear from their menu. Please, please consider that these changes affect many, many people. This is a plea for more long term thinking in where the menu and preference settings are located. The best example lately is and I suppose it was a technical reason and so maybe not avoidable because of gvfs is: moving the Removable drives and Media from the preferences. That was really a horrible move. There aren't even drives in the menu any more and yet it still says Drives. IMHO it would have been better to leave the Tab there with a note on it informing the user where the preferences had been moved to. I mean at least give them a clue, right? Anyway thanks for listening to the rant. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Rhythmbox Sound Juicer : some thoughts about the extracting audio CD functionality in Ubuntu suggestions to improve it
On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 19:00 +0100, thibaut bethune wrote: I'd like to discuss the way Ubuntu deals with the extracting audio CD task - Ubuntu 7.10 and before : inserting an audio CD launchs Sound Juicer (according to the nome-volume-properties GUI) - Ubuntu 8.04 hardy alpha 6 : inserting an audio CD launchs Rhythmbox. I'm in favor of Rhythmbox for performing that task. BUT, the Ubuntu Hardu alpha 6 situation could be improved in 3 ways : 1°) Sound Juicer should be removed from Hardy since Rhythmbox is the default system application to extract music from CD - no need for cluttering Applications menu. See Bug #202593 in sound-juicer (Ubuntu) on Launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/202593 2°) When inserting and audio CD, Rhythmbox should be launched with the GUI that shows the Extract button. Yes, now assume the user has turned off the auto mount of the audio cd, goes to the menu to find a way to extract it. In 7.10 and before they find CD Extractor, ah that must be it. In 8.04 they will find , hmm doesn't seem to be a way to do this anymore, what the ^**^^%, why do they always dick with the system just when I get used to it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: About Windows Client Integration blueprint
On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 19:04 +0100, Fabrizio Balliano wrote: Hi to all, I'm following with a lot of interest this blueprint for hardy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/windows-authentication-integration which will allow users to easily authenticate agains an active directory. That blueprint is marked essential but I can't find any info about the development progress, I also wrote the author but I got no answer. Does anyone have info about that? So, is there any movement on this stuff? Seems one of those must haves to move Ubuntu into more serious enterprise usage. There seemed to be no response to the above question. Comments appreciated. Thanks -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Open Movie Editor vs. Kdenlive.
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 13:52 -0500, Cory K. wrote: Ok. We need a serious technical look at these two to replace PiTiVi in Ubuntu Studio-Hardy. Open Movie Editor - http://openmovieeditor.sourceforge.net KDEnlive - http://www.kdenlive.org I'd also like to reference - http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/consortium/2008-January/001842.html as having some good points. ie: OME has JACK support. -Cory \m/ I am trying to whip up some support and developers for the Pitivi project. I think it has great potential and would hate to see it die. I know this isn't the best list but anyone who has any interest in Python and video editors please head over to the pitivi mailing list and join the discussion. https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pitivi-pitivi Pitivi home page. http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/Main_Page Help us make this a great video editor and also advance the Gstreamer libraries. It can only be a win, win situation. Thanks -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: gThumb
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 13:19 +, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 13:59 +0100, Wouter Stomp wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 5:59 AM, Bryan Quigley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering what the reasoning was to get rid of gThumb in the default install (ubuntu desktop package). Is their an application that has been added to help people organize home movies that I missed? To reduce duplication. F-spot is included to organize your photos (not movies, but I don't think gthumb does that either?). Not to mention that nautilus and eog already handle 95% of gthumb's functionality. You can open a folder in Nautilus, browse the files within it, double-click to make them bigger and use Next/Previous buttons to move between them at full size. Scott F-Spot in Gutsy with a default install will NOT display my photos, on my Acer Aspire Laptop however Gthumb will. I would hope that all such issues are resolved before choosing F-Spot over Gthumb. Also you might want to include the dvd slideshow plugin for F-Spot if you ship it. It's minimal yet but it does work. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: gThumb
On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 17:17 -0500, Evan wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 4:36 PM, George Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: F-Spot in Gutsy with a default install will NOT display my photos, on my Acer Aspire Laptop however Gthumb will. How do you mean? Does it not support the file format, or is this a bug that should be reported? I second the DVD slideshow plugin. It's very useful. It must be a bug because it works on every other machine I have tried. I even did a fresh install. It must be something with X and the video driver. Yes it should be reported. Gthumb also has printing goodies that F-Spot doesn't handle. For example select 2 photos and print in Gthumb, the result, great layout tools. Do the same in F-Spot, crap. Fix F-Spot printing first I'd say. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Deprecating slocate for desktop users?
On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 12:49 +, Chris Jones wrote: Hi Timo Jyrinki wrote: use. Still, I think there is no GUI for it anyway, and everyone's home directories are now indexed by Tracker, so what's the point? Speaking for myself, I regularly use slocate to find things that are outside my home directory (not that I use tracker for things that are in my home directory - I put them where they are, so I know where they are ;) I also regularly use slocate, please keep it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: VOIP: ekiga, wengophone, twinkle (was What is 'administrivia')
On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 17:39 +1300, Jonathan Musther wrote: I've just been trying it for IM, you're right, it doesn't stand up - but it is better than Ekiga for VOIP stuf, or seems to be based on my early impressions. I also agree with your assessment of pidgin. I use Ekiga all the time with a few friends and it works great. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Sound problems
On Thu, 2007-23-08 at 23:22 +0100, Chris Warburton wrote: Hi all, I've just installed the latest batch of Gutsy updates, including the new kernel update, and rebooted. Now when I plug my headphones into my laptop the speakers stay on so sound can be heard through the headphones and the speakers, kind of defeating the point of headphones. Looking in the volume control in GNOME (double clicking the panel applet) shows PCM like usual, but also Speaker and Headphone. Both of these new controls affect both the speakers and headphones, so the speakers cannot be turned down and the headphones turned up, either sound only comes from the speakers (no headphones plugged in), sound comes out of both (headphones plugged in) or sound comes out of neither (mute), I can't listen to things privately anymore. Now, I am pretty sure this is a bug, since my laptop's audio hardware doesn't play very nicely with Linux (using a microphone is a lost cause), but I don't know what to file a bug against, is it in the kernel, some ALSA package, Gstreamer, Gnome volume control, etc.? So, is anyone else having this problem and know of the cause/an already filed bug, or does anyone know what package/s might be responsible, or does anyone know how I can see what updates have been installed along with their changelogs? I hope this is just a bug. With Feisty M-Audio 2496 cards can't be used, worked in both Dapper and Edgy, switching cards in the GNOME preferences requires a reboot in a word it was/is a mess and many people I know personally complained to me about it. I'll try install Gusty over the weekend and see if there is any change in this situation. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: KLF Setup
On Fri, 2007-04-05 at 11:01 -0400, Johnathan Falk wrote: One of the biggest things that linux users forget all the time is that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly because of their pretty desktop because if desktop beauty was the deciding factor we would all use OS X. The biggest thing is that one a windows server you can have Ldap + Kerberos + File Serving setup in under 10 minutes with no hassle. On windows its Hey do you want to install Active Directory? Ok I can do that for you type your dns domain name and admin password POOF! I'm done. I have spent the last 8 days trying to get Ldap + Kerberos + NFSv4 to work at home with a little 6 node network and I can't even do that, how do you expect me or anyone to try and deploy this at a business or a school? Its practically impossible to find a good howto on this, and then feeding ldap information with ldif's? What the hell?! Yes I know this is standard but I come from a windows world and to paraphrase the Mac people it just works I am sick of struggling with this and pretty soon am just going to go back to windows work stations. Maybe in the next iteration of Ubuntu instead of just 1. DNS server and 2. LAMP server, they could have another option Directory Server. Server roles are a big reason people like windows. I just click a server role and BAM! Everything is done for me, and in the end Ubuntu's goals are to make linux easy. You couldn't be more right about this. I've been through this myself and though I did manage to set up samba and ldap there are so many howto's and other pieces of information that contradict one another it, is just plain ugly and that's being kind. Clear concise and TESTED instructions on the Ubuntu site would be a real help. Even a setup script would be a better first step, something like: would you like to set up [ ] ldap [ ] samba [ ] nfsv4 [ ] kerberos Do you need to connect to ADS as a workstation [ ] yes [ ] no Do you need to be a member server in an ADS tree [ ] yes [ ] no Even that would be better than what happens now If I had experience with Kerberos and an ADS machine to play with I might do this but I just don't have the resources. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: KLF Setup
On Fri, 2007-04-05 at 16:16 +0100, Andrew Price wrote: There's a specification being worked on to provide the features you mention. It seems to be making good progress: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication Feel free to find out if there are any contributions you can make towards this goal. Yes I am aware of that and well done, however, that spec has been worked on ever since Breezy or Hoary, I got the feeling nothing was happening. I'm not complaining so much per say just that this is a big issue and has been mentioned here on the lists for the last couple years. I guess what I'm saying is I think this is an important enough issue that maybe Mark might think about pumping some resources into it for a month or so. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Webmin replacement
On Wed, 2007-07-03 at 23:24 +0900, Arwyn Hainsworth wrote: On 07/03/07, greek ordono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Arwyn, in what language are you going to implement this tool, python/perl? If its going to be in python I will be willing to help. Can we fork rPathAppliancePlatform to ubuntu? Python would probably be better suited to the task and it's better supported in Ubuntu anyway. While I'm not really familiar with rPath AppliancePlatform, from a bit of googling I gather it's just another web-based interface with plugins. My goal was to create something that was specifically UI independent. Arwyn Would it be ok to use gst-backends remotely with a web front end? Are there inherent problems with gst that would not be conducive to connecting it via python XMLRPC as a starting point? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Webmin replacement
On Tue, 2007-06-03 at 23:23 -0800, Corey Burger wrote: On 3/6/07, George Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At some point there was a discussion about using Webmin or replacing it, has there been any discussion about this? Is Ubuntu recommending something else or some other framework? There are a few replacements out there, the most promising I can find is Ebox: http://ebox-platform.com/ I am considering rolling it out internally at my workplace, but it isnt quite ready yet. Corey It looks quite nice but seems a little intrusive. I haven't installed it yet so can't really say. It doesn't look like it would be an easy apt-get install ebox without messing up your current system. I think the important part is to get at least three items working right away: 1) User, Group management including Samba if installed and enabled. 2) Samba configuration of shares etc. 3) Printer configuration and queue management. This would take care of lots of small business servers right out of the box. Currently there is no way to add Samba users even if using gst remotely, there is no option. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strategy for fixing Bug #1
On Tue, 2006-26-12 at 12:48 -0600, Wes Morgan wrote: Most of you have probably seen ESR's recently-slashdotted essay about what Linux needs to do to conquer the desktop computing world by the end of 2008 (and why we need to do it by then--hint: because of the 32-to-64-bit transition). If not, you can read it here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html Here are the what it will take win points from the essay: 1. Drivers for all major existing hardware. 2. 32-bit legacy platform emulation. 3. Surviving the killer app. 4. Enabling preinstalls. 5. Support for all major multimedia formats. A complete UI review of one of open sources power appsOpenOffice. Man try find out how to do some simple things... can you say buried, hidden in both docs and UI. Ever tried to insert a water mark in OOo:-) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
