Suggest upgrade of im-switch in Ubuntu 12.04
Hey, Just realised that im-switch on my Ubuntu is version 1.20ubuntu5.2... I just noticed when exiting Input Method Switcher and it had that typo bug from of "Imput" instead of "Input" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/im-switch/+bug/621204 If anything, maybe an update to fix the typo :P From, Kieran Grant -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus
Thanks, I'll have a look at Arronax On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Florian Diesch wrote: > Am Thu, 06 Dec 2012 07:10:23 +1000 > schrieb Kieran Grant : > > >> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is >> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning >> stage for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for >> something to be done about the lack of ability to right click on the >> desktop (or any folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this >> is only a usability problem. > > > Have a look at Arronax <http://www.florian-diesch.de/software/arronax/> > > > -- > Plugin for Nautilus to create and modify application > starters (.desktop files): > <http://www.florian-diesch.de/software/arronax/> > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 08:32 +1000, Kieran Grant wrote: >> Whether it is better to allow users to add icons to their Desktop (where >> they'll probably not use it) or not, is something that Canonical and the >> upstream GNOME guys can ponder. > > Something that has always worked in GNOME (though I don't know if it > works in gnome-shell, as I haven't used it), and which does work in > Unity, is to drag a launcher from the applications menu, and drop it > on the background (or even in a folder in Nautilus). From Unity, since > there isn't really a menu though, you can open the dash, go to the > Applications view, find the app you want to add a launcher for, and > drag it to where you want. Then you have a launcher for the application, > with the correct icon, and if for some reason you really need to edit > it, then you can easily do so. > > However, the launcher panel on the left side of the screen in Unity at > least, is designed to be the place to place your favorites for > launching, rather than on the workspace background. In the launcher > panel, they will be always accessible, even when working in a full- > screened application, while placing them in the background makes > them inaccessible if any windows are covering them. Thanks again Rodney, I forgot that you could drag an Icon from the applications menu to the Desktop. (Probably because sometimes I let go too quick and it doesn't add to the Desktop... :/ I need to slow down sometimes) True, the unity menu is always accessible. (Except some oddities on my low end netbook when some GUI bug causes it to be behind all windows, I think this is fixed now though) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus
Thanks, I've heard of MATE before, never tried it though, I'll have a look. Thank you everyone that has been patient enough to respond to my various emails to different threads on this mailing list. Hopefully in the future, the next time I send a suggestion, it will be a bit more useful to the whole Ubuntu community. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Kieran Grant > wrote: >> I guess I'll just switch to another Desktop Environment for what I need, >> (besides, on my netbook Unity 3D uses too many resources, only have 2GB >> RAM and Some Intel SU2700 1.3Ghz processor, 'tis a cheap netbook from a >> couple of years ago, I might go back to GNOME classic, or something >> else, who knows) > > I encourage you to try MATE, a GNOME 2 fork. > Not everything in GNOME 2 is right. > But I guess learning odds from a stable environment is better > constantly re-learning "the right way to do things" from an unstable > environment. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus
On 06/12/12 08:15, Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 07:10 +1000, Kieran Grant wrote: >> Hey All, >> >> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is >> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning stage >> for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for something to >> be done about the lack of ability to right click on the desktop (or any >> folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this is only a usability >> problem. > You say this is a usability problem, but what evidence of that is there? > It used to exist, sure, but it doesn't mean that it needs to be there, > or that people need to be able to create launchers in random locations > on their file system. Why would anyone need to do this? Complaints about > usability or such really need to be backed up by objective data that can > show how having something will be better for a majority of users, and > how the feature would have an impact on all users. Good point, I know there have been many tutorials about how to do something like this, with one method mentioned is to have a script for the Desktop right-click context menu, I cannot backup in numbers how many people have raised this, but I know there are various tutorials and discussions, but by now most people are probably used to living without this. Maybe instead of all over their file system (which I agree, is a bit pointless now that I think about it), just on the Desktop, but without being able to get some numbers, I agree, in hindsight, that one cannot objectively determine how many users have wanted this. As for the affect on all users, maybe it's better that users can't easily create launchers on their desktop (Just look at common Windows 7 Desktops, full of icons barely used, at least from the ones I have seen). Whether it is better to allow users to add icons to their Desktop (where they'll probably not use it) or not, is something that Canonical and the upstream GNOME guys can ponder. > >> I know about gnome-desktop-item-edit /home//Desktop --create-new, >> but that isn't user friendly, I know I use to be able to do this in >> older versions of Ubuntu (back when GNOME was in use, at least I thought >> I could...), but for some reason this has been removed. > > This was removed from upstream Nautilus, as they started to pare down > the feature set there. I guess I'll just switch to another Desktop Environment for what I need, (besides, on my netbook Unity 3D uses too many resources, only have 2GB RAM and Some Intel SU2700 1.3Ghz processor, 'tis a cheap netbook from a couple of years ago, I might go back to GNOME classic, or something else, who knows) Thanks Rodney for you response. :) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus
On 06/12/12 07:52, Colin Law wrote: > On 5 December 2012 21:10, Kieran Grant > wrote: >> Hey All, >> >> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is >> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning stage >> for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for something to >> be done about the lack of ability to right click on the desktop (or any >> folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this is only a usability >> problem. > http://www.smdavis.us/projects/menulibre/ is pretty good. > > Colin > Thanks Colin, I've had a play with it, it looks good as a menu editor, easy to use interface. Lot's of nice controls. (I like being able to edit the Quick lists) But I was more asking about general right-clicking in a folder (or Desktop) and having something like "Create a new Launcher" (Or 'Shortcut', as that is what Windows Users will be familiar with), that then creates a new Launcher (say with gnome-desktop-item-edit) that can be edited later. I think this is something that would have to been included into Nautilus though. Still, I'm going to remember menulibre, it's a cool little program, that will definitely make my life easier in the future Kieran -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus
Hey All, I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning stage for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for something to be done about the lack of ability to right click on the desktop (or any folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this is only a usability problem. I know about gnome-desktop-item-edit /home//Desktop --create-new, but that isn't user friendly, I know I use to be able to do this in older versions of Ubuntu (back when GNOME was in use, at least I thought I could...), but for some reason this has been removed. There is a possible solution at: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-add-the-create-launcher-command-to-the-right-click-menu-in-ubuntu-11-10.html This works for the desktop, but I don't think it is good enough overall as it doesn't work for any other folder. I think a proper context menu item (possibly under the "Create New Document") which fork's and exec's gnome-desktop-item-edit (or include it's functionality) with the appropriate parameters would be better. And I know about the SRU rules, and I know it doesn't apply to anything on the SRU wiki, but to not have this feature in the LTS version would be a real annoyance, especially for two years if you are in an environment where you need to use stable versions. I am suggesting to use "Launchers", as when most Windows users think of shortcuts, they think of something where they can put a description, an Icon, etc (Because Symlinks aren't that fancy :P) I can live without this as I spend most of my time in a Terminal window anyway, but I think this feature will be useful to those from Windows-land who don't want to learn about using the terminal, and who like little Icons on their desktop to launch stuff. Does anyone have a better solution? (Is this in the works, or could this be feasible in a future version of Ubuntu?) Kieran Grant -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Possible inclusion of 'net-tools' into Ubuntu Core
On 06/12/12 01:45, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Kieran Grant > wrote: >> Based on the problems that Saqlain had >> (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2012-December/014092.html) >> and I initially had with Ubuntu core and using apt-get, I am wondering >> if Ubuntu Core should include 'net-tools' (or a minimalist version) to >> allow Ubuntu Core to be booted on a device and to actually be able to >> setup, and connect to an Ubuntu archive server to pull from? >> >> Or, would it be better for this to be mentioned in the Ubuntu Core Wiki >> page. >> >> Because, by the example's given, one would expect that apt-get would >> work in a newly set-up Ubuntu Core environment, but without the ability >> to set up a network (or to resolve an ip address to verify), this can >> sometimes cause connection failures (I had success on one system's >> chroot, on another failure). >> >> New users to Ubuntu Core can sometime come to think something is broken >> in Ubuntu Core, when in fact it is simply their chroot or virtual system >> not set up to connect to the network. >> >> (I don't think you need dnsutils though to resolve an IP address, that's >> part of the Standard C Library, or the C Library, which ever term >> applies to the actual libc.so.6) > I've never used Ubuntu Core but I just took a look at the 12.04 > tar.gz. It has both iproute and ifupdown installed so it doesn't need > net-tools for setting up the network. dnsutils isn't needed for > network setup/access either. > > Sudo isn't installed though, so it has to be installed in a chroot. > Thanks for telling me about ifroute and ifupdown, but as suggested by Oliver, I'll use some of the other methods to roll out my environments. Thanks everyone, and keep up the good work. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Possible inclusion of 'net-tools' into Ubuntu Core
On 06/12/12 01:57, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > Am Mittwoch, den 05.12.2012, 22:17 +1000 schrieb Kieran Grant: >> Based on the problems that Saqlain had >> (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2012-December/014092.html) >> and I initially had with Ubuntu core and using apt-get, I am wondering >> if Ubuntu Core should include 'net-tools' (or a minimalist version) to >> allow Ubuntu Core to be booted on a device and to actually be able to >> setup, and connect to an Ubuntu archive server to pull from? >> >> Or, would it be better for this to be mentioned in the Ubuntu Core Wiki >> page. > the purpose of ubuntu-core is industrial use, use in IVI environments, > service as a base for an image build or as a cheap chroot for devlopers > that are to lazy to just use debootstrap. > > ubuntu-core is *not* an image and *not* supposed to be used as a rootfs > without modification > > some of its dedicated use cases can be non networked or user-less > systems, adding net-tools would break exactly that ... > > if you want a minimal system, take the mini iso and run an install, use > debootstrap to roll a chroot, use live-build to roll a rootfs tarball, > there are plenty of options to get to a usable rootfs. Right-o, I'll have a look at those other uses and stop using Ubuntu Core for that purpose, thanks! > > the purpose of ubuntu-core is simply different from what you are trying > to use it for (provide the most minimal booatable system that can still > run apt-get, this doesnt include users, sudo or networking at all) > > ciao > oli -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Possible inclusion of 'net-tools' into Ubuntu Core
Based on the problems that Saqlain had (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2012-December/014092.html) and I initially had with Ubuntu core and using apt-get, I am wondering if Ubuntu Core should include 'net-tools' (or a minimalist version) to allow Ubuntu Core to be booted on a device and to actually be able to setup, and connect to an Ubuntu archive server to pull from? Or, would it be better for this to be mentioned in the Ubuntu Core Wiki page. Because, by the example's given, one would expect that apt-get would work in a newly set-up Ubuntu Core environment, but without the ability to set up a network (or to resolve an ip address to verify), this can sometimes cause connection failures (I had success on one system's chroot, on another failure). New users to Ubuntu Core can sometime come to think something is broken in Ubuntu Core, when in fact it is simply their chroot or virtual system not set up to connect to the network. (I don't think you need dnsutils though to resolve an IP address, that's part of the Standard C Library, or the C Library, which ever term applies to the actual libc.so.6) Any suggestions? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: can't use apt-get command with ubuntu core
On 05/12/12 21:21, Kieran Grant wrote: > Ok, first of all, I've added ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com to > my CC list as I thought how I responded to the email would have worked > (I don't see it in my local mailing list copy, I tried Ctrl+Shift+L to > 'reply to list' in thunderbird, now I am 'replying to all') Lol, I figured out why it wasn't showing, now that I think about it, it makes sense for me to not be sent the email I sent... (First time replying to a mailing list). I just have to put a rule in that if I reply to an email in one of my dedicated mailing list folders, to not send it to the "Sent" Folder... (And make sure I reply from the email address I am subscribed too, yikes, I think I need to go away from the computer, my brain is starting to go a bit silly) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: can't use apt-get command with ubuntu core
Ok, first of all, I've added ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com to my CC list as I thought how I responded to the email would have worked (I don't see it in my local mailing list copy, I tried Ctrl+Shift+L to 'reply to list' in thunderbird, now I am 'replying to all') It looks like you got the phantom bug I got, so this is my best guess is to resolve archive.ubuntu.com and temporarily add it to the chroot environments "etc/hosts" file... This is because the Ubuntu Core doesn't have nslookup and cannot resolve the IP address. (I guess if you have already resolved it, it somehow uses your system's cache or something, either way, it is an odd bug) host# nslookup archive.ubuntu.com Copy or write down the IP address you get host# vim (or other text editor as root) mnt/etc/hosts Add the line: ip-address-from-above archive.ubuntu.com You can alternatively do this: host# echo ip-address archive.ubuntu.com >> mnt/etc/hosts host# chroot mnt host# apt-get update I suspect that both the 'sudo' package, 'net-tools' and 'dnsutils' are meant to be part of Ubuntu Core. From, Kieran Grant On 05/12/12 20:51, Saqlain Abbas wrote: > > Well from the instruction of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core i thought > sudo packages already installed and i thought i am doing something > wrong, may be instruction on above link should be updated to mention > this for new guys like me, that sudo packages should be installed > explicitly to make it work? > > Secondly now I tried to install pakcages in Ubuntu Core, i idid > something like below > > host# chroot /mnt/root > chroot# dpkg -i /tmp/*.deb > chroot# apt-get update > > sudo apt-get update Command fails with below errors, kindly suggest > how to get rid of them...i was just thinking if to get rid of below > errors i need to modify some file how would i do it as by default no > editor is installed like vi or other? > > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com precise InRelease > > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates InRelease > > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-security InRelease > > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com precise Release.gpg > Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com > <http://archive.ubuntu.com>' > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates Release.gpg > Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com > <http://archive.ubuntu.com>' > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com precise Release.gpg > Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com > <http://archive.ubuntu.com>' > > Reading package lists... Done > W: Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/InRelease > W: Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/InRelease > W: Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/InRelease > > W: Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release.gpg > Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com > <http://archive.ubuntu.com>' > > W: Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/Release.gpg > Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com > <http://archive.ubuntu.com>' > > W: Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/Release.gpg > Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com > <http://archive.ubuntu.com>' > > W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old > ones used instead. > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Kieran Grant > <mailto:kieran.thehacker.gr...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 05/12/12 17:01, David Henningsson wrote: > > On 12/04/2012 03:14 PM, Emmet Hikory wrote: > >> Saqlain Abbas wrote: > >>> I have installed Ubuntu core on VM i followed instruction from > >>> > >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core > >>> > >>> I am able to boot and login, but if try apt-get install I get > below > >>> errors, > >>> my system (virgin ubuntu core) got no packages installed like > synaptic > >>> package manager etc > >>> > >>> "could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open (13:permission > >>> denied) > >>> unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg) , are > >>> you root?" > >>> > >>> I can't try using "sudo" command as it is not installed on (ubuntu > >>> core). > >> > >> If you wish to run apt-get, you will either need to grant > a roo
Re: can't use apt-get command with ubuntu core
On 05/12/12 17:01, David Henningsson wrote:
> On 12/04/2012 03:14 PM, Emmet Hikory wrote:
>> Saqlain Abbas wrote:
>>> I have installed Ubuntu core on VM i followed instruction from
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core
>>>
>>> I am able to boot and login, but if try apt-get install I get below
>>> errors,
>>> my system (virgin ubuntu core) got no packages installed like synaptic
>>> package manager etc
>>>
>>> "could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open (13:permission
>>> denied)
>>> unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg) , are
>>> you root?"
>>>
>>> I can't try using "sudo" command as it is not installed on (ubuntu
>>> core).
>>
>> If you wish to run apt-get, you will either need to grant a root
>> password,
>> and use su, or mount the filesystem on some other machine, chroot
>> into it, and
>> install sudo from the chroot.
>>
>>> [T]he user i created "ubuntu" I added it to adm and sudo groups,
>>> "groups" command shows it is added to "ubuntu" "adm" and "sudo"
>>> groups. My
>>> other part of question is as user is added to sudo group why i got no
>>> "root" permission?
>>
>> Because the sudo package is not installed, so there is no
>> interpretation
>> of the sudo group meaning anything. While the adm group does grant
>> the ability
>> to access many files, it does not provide for any sort of root access.
>>
>
> The instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core clearly says to add
> the local user to the sudo group. This makes no sense if the sudo
> package is not part of Ubuntu Core, so either the instructions are
> broken, or Ubuntu Core is broken because it should have included the
> sudo package?
>
The answers provided are correct, but you need to add sudo package manually.
Download ubuntu-core, as directed, and if you want to use it in an
image, say for example a VM (this is pretty much what I do):
Pre-download or pre-build Linux Kernel Debs (Download is easier)
host$ dd if=/dev/zero bs=1 seek=size-in-bytes count=1 of=./image
host$ su
host# mkdir mnt
host# mkfs.ext{2,3,4} -f ./image
host# mount ./image mnt
host# cd mnt
host# tar -xvnf ../ubuntu-core-{version}-core-{arch}.tar.gz
host# cd ..
host# cp /path/to/kernel/debs mnt/var/cache/apt/archives
host# chroot mnt
chroot# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
chroot# apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
chroot# apt-get install net-tools sudo vim{/other editor of choice}
{aptitude/other package manager if you want} {and anything else you feel
you need}
chroot# apt-get clean
chroot# adduser username
chroot# addgroup username adm
chroot# addgroup username sudo
chroot# add
chroot# exit
host# cd ..
host# cp mnt/boot/vmlin* . && cp mnt/boot/init* . # copy kernel and init
image to outside chroot
host# umount mnt
host# exit
host$ kvm -m 512M -vga std -soundhw ac97,sb16 -smp
{n},sockets=1,threads=1,cores={n} -kernel vmlinux-... -initrd initrd-...
-append "vga=ask root=/dev/sda" hda=image -daemonize
(Also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core/InstallationExample)
Or you can skip the whole image creation process, just extract
ubuntu-core as root into empty directory and do similar process, then
you can tar archive it later to send to a target computer (using a Live USB)
The only thing of note I have, is that today I had a phantom bug that if
I change my /etc/apt/sources.list file (in chroot) to point to somewhere
else it fails (Does the ubuntu-core know the ip address of
archive.ubuntu.com? as there is no nslookup package installed in core to
lookup alt mirrors)
From,
Kieran Grant
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