Re: [REQ] Use Mhonarc as an (external) archiver instead of pipermail (internal)

[Mike Fedyk]

You should look at the threaded index.

shirish agarwal wrote:
> Hi all,
>When clicking on mailing list archive even with dates the 
> resulting list is a flat list & one never comes to know when a 
> particular discussion started or ended right there. Other lists system 
> make this pretty much easy. For e.g. 
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2007-04/index.html 
>  should 
> be easy to know what I mean. We have been using GNU Mailman 2.1.8 
> Now apparently the ugliness of dates is because of how 
> pipermail does it stuff. There is a link 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp 
>  
> which shows how this can be achieved. Lemme know what u guys think. Cheers !
> -- 
>   Shirish Agarwal
>   This work is licensed under the Creative Commons NonCommercial 
> Sampling Plus 1.0 License. To view a copy of this license, visit 
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/nc-sampling+/1.0/
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Re: "Enterprise" Ubuntu

[Mike Fedyk]

Corey Burger wrote:
> On 3/21/07, Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Aaron Whitehouse wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >> > Can anybody tell if there is team working on inventing Enterprise
>> >> > features to Ubuntu Linux? I mean all that features that Microsoft AD
>> >> > does? Such as "Rights Control",
>> >
>> > There was this announcement to this list some time ago:
>> > http://lwn.net/Articles/206961/
>> >
>> > which may be similar to what you are interested in. They call
>> > themselves the "ubuntu-directory team", as far as I understand.
>>
>>
>> This looks dead.  There has been almost no activity on the list since
>> october '06.
>>
>> Is it really dead
> 
> Ubuntu-directory is not dead, merely sleeping.
> 
> In all seriousness, we do need people to help us with our goals. We
> are about to start writing specs for the Feisty+1, which will include
> finishing andrew mitchell's authtool and packaging of Fedora Directory
> Server. The latter requires upstream to finish out their split of
> backend with frontend, as well as the autotool-izing of the source.

Did anything come from the idea to split winbind into windows specific 
parts and generic ldap/kerberos parts?

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Re: "Enterprise" Ubuntu

[Mike Fedyk]

Aaron Whitehouse wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> > Can anybody tell if there is team working on inventing Enterprise
>> > features to Ubuntu Linux? I mean all that features that Microsoft AD
>> > does? Such as "Rights Control",
> 
> There was this announcement to this list some time ago:
> http://lwn.net/Articles/206961/
> 
> which may be similar to what you are interested in. They call
> themselves the "ubuntu-directory team", as far as I understand.


This looks dead.  There has been almost no activity on the list since 
october '06.

Is it really dead?

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Re: SPEC: Support existing dirty flag on a (v)FAT file system

[Mike Fedyk]

Onno Benschop wrote:
> On 21/03/07 03:32, Mike Fedyk wrote:
>> Onno Benschop wrote:
>>> As more and more users have access to USB sticks, external drives,
>>> digital cameras and larger drives that co-exist with other operating
>>> systems, dosfstools needs to participate in the existing file system
>>> integrity procedures, rather than just fix every (v)FAT partition it
>>> encounters.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecificationDosDirtyFlag
>> It is not mentioned, but I assume you intend to support the standard
>> flags to check a filesystem even if the dirty flag is not set.  Is
>> that right?
> That is indeed the intent. It exists in the spec under Implementation,
> but I concede the wording could do with some work:
> 
> A flag should be created to force a check on a clean file system for
> command line use. 

Ok, be sure to use the same flags used by fsck.ext3 as they translate to 
vfat.

Mike

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Re: "Enterprise" Ubuntu

[Mike Fedyk]

Some things don't map directly to a Linux environment because of 
different typical configurations.

Victor Polukcht wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> Can anybody tell if there is team working on inventing Enterprise 
> features to Ubuntu Linux? I mean all that features that Microsoft AD 
> does? Such as "Rights Control",

This would be part of the gnome/kde user profile setup.  I am not 
familiar with this very much so someone else will have to elaborate.

> "Movable User Profiles",

/home on NFS or AFS removes this requirement in Unix.

> "Device 
> Managemanet" and many other.

Have you looked at LTSP?

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Re: SPEC: Support existing dirty flag on a (v)FAT file system

[Mike Fedyk]

Onno Benschop wrote:
> As more and more users have access to USB sticks, external drives,
> digital cameras and larger drives that co-exist with other operating
> systems, dosfstools needs to participate in the existing file system
> integrity procedures, rather than just fix every (v)FAT partition it
> encounters.
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecificationDosDirtyFlag

It is not mentioned, but I assume you intend to support the standard 
flags to check a filesystem even if the dirty flag is not set.  Is that 
right?

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Re: kqemu

[Mike Fedyk]

t u wrote:
> Mikael Eriksson wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 06:59:54PM +, Alec Wright wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 19:01 +0100, Mikael Eriksson wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 03:54:35PM +, Alec Wright wrote:
> http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/The_QEMU_Accelerator_KQEMU_Module_is_Open_Source
> Should kqemu be in fesity+1 when it's released?
 kqemu is already in feasty. But it's still at the non GPL version, so
 it's in multiverse. Look for the kqemu-source package.
>>> But that's the source code, not an actual kqemu binary.
>> sudo apt-get install kqemu-source
>> sudo m-a auto-install kqemu-source
>>
>> Or do you mean prebuilt binaries?
>> That would be nice.
> 
> will they not include kqemu into the kernel some day?

If it is ever submitted by the kqeumu maintainer and passes the code 
quality, style long term maintenance review, then it will go in, yes.

Until then it will be up to everyone else to put it in, whether that is 
an individual or organization like Ubuntu.

Mike

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Re: Firefox 2.0 in Dapper?

[Mike Fedyk]

Mehdi wrote:
> i never had a problem with that.
> i never thought that it was so important to you ...
> anyway, if you don't like this manner of adding programs on your disto, 
> don't use it. that's all !

The problem is that you are recommending packages without also 
mentioning that support for these packages should not be sought from ubuntu.

> i'm sorry but if you look at the other repositories for debian or ubuntu 
> packages, they don't give always assitance or they don't deal with bug 
> reports ... for many of us, the main thing is to add a program, if there 
> is a bug then you can find a scenario to repeat it in the official 
> version and so you report it in launchpad. if it's a bug in the compiled 
> unofficial package, you can telle that to the repository manager !

Yes, *you* may know that, but many regular users don't.

> I mean it's not a big deal !

It is a big deal only because of the sheer volume of support requests 
repositories like this generate to ubuntu.

I'm trying to find a link to an official ubuntu statement about people 
recommending 3rd party repositories and where support requests should be 
directed afterward.  If anyone can provide this link I'd appreciate it.

Mike

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Firefox 2.0 in Dapper?

[Mike Fedyk]

What will Ubuntu do once Mozilla.org stops supporting Firefox 1.5.x? 
Will Dapper get FF 2.0?


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Re: too much space around text

[Mike Fedyk]

[ This should really go to -users -- reply-to is set, if the list 
software strips out that header, please reply to ubuntu-users instead ]

Christof Krüger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> I am using GNU/Linux for several years now and like it very much. One
>> issue I always disliked is the extensive space, windows managers require
>> on the screen to display text. Because of this menus and windows become
>> too big thus the screen looks crowded and confusing.
> Well, this is clearly a matter of taste. Having much space around
> controls does not make the screen crowded at all. Personally, I find too
> small controls crowded and confusing.
> 
>> Also I could not manage to customize the space consumption in KDE or
>> GNOME. Is there any possibility to change this behaviour? If so, why it
>> is not changed by default?!
> All this is not just by accident. There a guideline behind this:
> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/
> Typically, multiples of 6 pixels are used for margin and padding.

I find that these settings work well for me in gconf-editor for nautilus:

* set default view to list
* do not group directories together
* sort by modified date with newest at the top

This is great for me since most of the time I'm working with recently 
modified files and if I'm looking for something else I can just start 
typing a prefix and find what I'm looking for in short order.

Mike

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Re: FYI: Ubuntu at 123-reg hosting!

[Mike Fedyk]

Someone please mail some roadkill to this idiot.

Hervé Fache wrote:
> Ubuntu has arrived
> 
> Our range of Linux dedicated servers, starting at £39.99 per month, now 
> have Ubuntu Linux OS installed as standard.
> Based on the Ubuntu Linux operating system, 123-reg servers will support 
> scripting in over 20 languages and are supplied with a comprehensive 
> suite of software installed. For total flexibility customers with root 
> access can also installcustom software.
> 
> You can order a 123-reg dedicated server today via your control panel.Or 
> why not try it out: Ubuntu Linux is freely available for download 
> 
>  
> or on CD 
> 
>  
> so you can also create a test environment on your home or office pC.
> 

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Re: Gnome 2.18 will wound Microsoft badly.

[Mike Fedyk]

Joel Bryan Juliano wrote:
> In 2006, 95% of Fortune's 100 are using PGP and 75% are in Fortune's 
> Global 100.
> 
> With Seahorse now being accepted in Gnome 2.18, I see that it will wound 
> Microsoft badly.
> While Microsoft doesn't have PGP encryption applications of their own, 
> PGP in Linux and Gnome is much
> easier to setup with Seahorse than ever before.
> 
> This is one of the most important "killer apps" Linux and Gnome have, 
> with companies all over the world
> have a great interest in PGP cryptography. Gnome's Groupware Suite, 
> Evolution has long been using PGP cryptography operations, and now with 
> Seahorse, it will "just works" pretty well, out-of-the-box.

As a gnome user I'm happy we have seahorse now.  But hearing 2003 call 
from the distant past:

http://developer.kde.org/~kgpg/

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Re: Activating the CUPS snmp backend in Ubuntu Feisty

[Mike Fedyk]

Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> I suspect that if you did that, two things would happen:
> 
> 1.  People would complain that a lot of the apps were out of date.

I'm not advocating UVF, but very few new feature specs going into LTS 
releases.  If it's already in upstream (Debian or upstream-upstream -- 
the individual projects) and it is ready for prime time, then by all 
means put it in a LTS release.

For instance Java with the Sun JVM 5 or 6 isn't working for me with 
azureus in Edgy and there seems to be a version mismatch of the gtk-java 
packages:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib-java/+bug/70113

> 2.  Developer motivation would be very low for the LTS releases, as it's
> only bugfixing, with nothing new and interesting.  Constant bugfixing
> tends to get very boring

True.  How can we encourage more bug fixing?

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Re: Activating the CUPS snmp backend in Ubuntu Feisty

[Mike Fedyk]

Till Kamppeter wrote:
> Mike Fedyk wrote:
>> How does this relate to using avahi for printer discovery?
> 
> Do we use avahi for network printer discovery? How do I invoke a scan
> for network printers via avahi? How is a GUI (GNOME/KDE) user supposed
> to set up a network printer on a Ubuntu box?
> 

 From what I saw in the 2007 LCA Video there are patches for cups to use 
avahi, and it is a generic framework for service advertisement and 
discovery.  Think open source zeroconf.

http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.conf.au/2007/video/monday/monday_1150_GNOME.ogg

>> Are there
>> any other systems that use snmp for printer discovery where using snmp
>> will make them "just work" also?
>>
> 
> As far as I know, the snmp backend of CUPS is the only tool to search
> for network printers via SNMP.

I'm mostly asking about snmp support to see if it will give us instant 
interoperability with other systems that scan for printers via snmp.  If 
so, snmp in cups and avahi both at the same time is probably a good idea.

> 
>> If the snmp backend for cups does get activated, Feisty is probably
>> better than Feisty+1 LTS because we probably don't want to add a lot of
>> new features in a LTS release cycle.  Instead focus should be on bug
>> fixing and polish instead of new features.
>>
> 
> Will Feisty+1 be the next LTS? If so, will the SNMP backend get
> deactivated there again? Or why is Feisty better than Feisty+1 LTS when
> activating the SNMP backend?

AFAIK LTS releases are every 18 months, so Dapper+3.

I'd rather get a new feature in before a LTS release if possible to 
allow people bang on it harder (or even accidentally) to be better 
prepared for the LTS release.

Mike

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Re: Activating the CUPS snmp backend in Ubuntu Feisty

[Mike Fedyk]

Till Kamppeter wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> on the IRC I talked with pitti about activating the CUPS backends which
> were de-activated by Debian by moving them into
> /usr/lib/cups/backend-available. The three de-activated backends are
> serial, scsi and snmp.

How does this relate to using avahi for printer discovery?  Are there 
any other systems that use snmp for printer discovery where using snmp 
will make them "just work" also?

If the snmp backend for cups does get activated, Feisty is probably 
better than Feisty+1 LTS because we probably don't want to add a lot of 
new features in a LTS release cycle.  Instead focus should be on bug 
fixing and polish instead of new features.

Speaking of that, what does everyone think of making it policy to 
feature freeze during *all* LTS release cycles?  This way new features 
are only developed in non-LTS releases and have more time to mature 
before the next LTS release.

Mike

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Re: Allowing passwordless login via GDM

[Mike Fedyk]

Jan Claeys wrote:
> On vr, 2007-02-23 at 11:37 +0100, Milan wrote:
>> The question is, do we want to discourage people from switching to
>> Linux, and do we want Ubuntu to be the best distribution for home
>> end-users?
> 
> I don't believe removing security measures at the same time as Microsoft
> is adding them is really going to make Ubuntu the _best_ distro...
> 

If you look at it one way, it is a usability issue.  I do not think 
passwordless accounts should come anywhere near the word "default" but 
they do have their place.

"25 seconds until Guest is automatically logged in... 24 seconds... 23 
seconds..."

Used as a kiosk and similar scenario it is a valid use.  Personal data 
and security are concerns in this case, but not enough to block this use 
case and having warnings on the desktop and in apps that send data 
(browser forms and similar -- "Guest user, not secure") and slow 
oscillating background brightness can be used to alert against using 
this account for anything where privacy is a concern.

Mike


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Re: Allowing passwordless login via GDM

[Mike Fedyk]

Florian Hackenberger wrote:
> On Friday 23 February 2007 15:16, Milan wrote:
>> But you're mistaking on my proposal. I just ask to allow *GDM* to skip
>> password check, just like it *currently does* with autologin.
> I'm all for it, even more so because KDM has an option for exactly this 
> feature.

So does GDM.

http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/GDM_auto-login_with_specific_users_to_specific_terminals

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