Re: Mainstream Developers Repository
Assalam alaikum Usama, The average user (i.e the group of users we're targeting) doesn't care about what version of software X he is running, as long as it works. For that reason, new versions of software will not land in the Ubuntu main repositories. Furthermore, these new versions can also not land in ubuntu-backports. If you want a (simple) desktop application to have an updated version in backports, you should file a bug for requesting it. You can find more information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports. Hope I've been useful :) Mohamed Amine IL Idrissi On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Usama Akkad uahe...@gmail.com wrote: Wa alaikum alsalam, Bilal this is different from backports. for example Filezilla and Deluge have no problem have more recent release on windows than Linux. You already trust the developers of such applications. Why not help them reach the users directly under your supervision as Ubuntu. You might say any one can create such a repo. Yes but it would hardly be in the Ubuntu way. I'm not talking about packages that might break the system, like gnome or Xorg. It's just some application that you might get from developer website to download and run instantly. في Thu، 28-10-2010 عند 08:34 +0300 ، كتب Bilal Akhtar: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Assalam alaikum Usama, This is a good idea. But I think backports and GetDeb [1] are implementing something that is close to this? [1] http://www.getdeb.net/ Bilal Akhtar. On 10/28/2010 07:02 AM, Usama Akkad wrote: Hi, I would like to know your opinion on an Idea of having (Mainstream Developers Repository) please read the draft wiki page on this subject https://wiki.ubuntu.com/damascene/Decentralized%20Ubuntu%20Repository Sometimes user need to get the latest version of a software but he/she will have to add every Launchpad PPA manually. Regards, Usama Akkad https://launchpad.net/~damascene - -- Bilal Akhtar - Ubuntu Developer, yet still 14 years old. More information about him can be found on https://edge.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar IRC nick: bilalakhtar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMyQtOAAoJENsMxwzgYeH2hLsH/jzGxdfaiKOqXlAWVx62r23e /UjqZBsVIgrZgsipD2Pfw07oRn7M4vp+K8QA7aUdJCL6r5RdvpQszNxWMbQ1r92h xizEp48VYU3oOWOoxV/u21rWUXsxbXmiPxZFb3FOHjMU13z5y0ydVWxbbzQOpjtp nFjTLwkJTiiGYmayeCwdN8CakOZO/x/nfopDQea2GKxXK1eT3O3mX2QRffWgogKz DAg02jY+QT/vG1jRRSagd2MZABMQCw2UP0ZNXnwRR0aRUbGpXw9q+1HZ8TUKeDKI TAi60ZvLxjj166DSYTCiVzDOTI9BzVPuUzCxiNNKdcjI7DH+mbpgjRonq5YWTno= =mzR5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Thoughts about software-properties
Hi Matthew, thanks for your reply. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mohammed Amine IL Idrissi wrote on 04/08/10 17:45: Sorry for the tiny images. Here they are: * update-manager Repositories tab: http://imgur.com/zXZyH.png I think most people, looking at this interface for the first time, would ask: What does it mean by 'distribution'? True. We could replace it by Ubuntu updates (or Debian updates if we're running under Debian) It also seems messy to have the same operation (selecting/deselecting) on very similar items (Ubuntu archives, and other archives) handled at separate levels (outside a listbox vs. inside). The only reason I did this is because we don't know the exact number of other archives (usually, we should see 4 items for Ubuntu archives, the ones I put in the mockup). * update-manager Automatic updates tab: http://imgur.com/d59C4.png What is the reason for distinguishing distribution updates from other updates? Because of the same reason I distinguished distribution repositories from other repositories. For me, it's just a way to provide the user with more means of configuration. No problem with me if you decide to simply remove it. * software-center Provided by Ubuntu pane: http://imgur.com/c3EZr.png Are you suggesting that those checkboxes would be shown all the time? Not at all, just that I haven't found some kind of expander in Balsamiq Mockups :-) We could use a toggle button or an expander to optionally show this screen. (Also, Provided by Ubuntu and Commercial software are mutually exclusive.) Yeah, I guess so. Just ignore this. * software-center PPA/authenticated source pane: http://imgur.com/kqugQ.png I don't understand what this is showing. Perhaps you could fill in a few more of the details or a bit more of the context? It just shows that the PPA is an authenticed source. But you are right, this is outside of the context :-) Just ignore this mockup. ... On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com mailto:m...@canonical.com wrote: ... Splitting it into two is an intriguing idea. It looks like the main awkward point would be the download server setting -- that's the thing that's most obviously shared between installations and updates. ... I notice that none of your wireframes show where the download server setting would go. :-) We could just put a Select Server button in the Provided by Ubuntu screen. When clicked, the usual download mirror dialog shows up. I was thinking of doing mockups for adding and editing sources in software-center, but since browsing PPAs is a planned feature of software-center, I abstained from this :-) Like I said, please share your thoughts. Those mockups were quickly done using Balsamiq Mockups, and I'm not an UI designer, so obviously this may be horrible interfaces :p -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Thoughts about software-properties
Sorry for the tiny images. Here they are: * update-manager Repositories tab: http://imgur.com/zXZyH.png * update-manager Automatic updates tab: http://imgur.com/d59C4.png * software-center Provided by Ubuntu pane: http://imgur.com/c3EZr.png * software-center PPA/authenticated source pane: http://imgur.com/kqugQ.png On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mohammed Mohammed Amine IL Idrissi wrote on 03/08/10 10:51: ... Software-properties is one of the few applications that still relies on gksu. I was about to convert it to aptdaemon/policykit, Excellent! when I thought of this: Why don't we just separate software-properties into both update-manager and software-center? Software Sources is something I've been meaning to redesign eventually, but I was putting it off because it wasn't as important as Ubuntu Software Center or Update Manager. Splitting it into two is an intriguing idea. It looks like the main awkward point would be the download server setting -- that's the thing that's most obviously shared between installations and updates. So I began to create the following mockups: * update-manager: clicking on the Settings... button should open up a dialog that contains two tabs: Repositories (http://yfrog.com/jvupdatemanagerrepositorip) and Automatic Updates (http://yfrog.com/jbupdatemanagerautomaticup). Note that I mostly borrowed the design from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling#settings * software-center: Clicking on the Provided by Ubuntu pane should show (beside what's in place now) five checkboxes representing main, universe, restricted, multiverse, and commercial software (http://yfrog.com/c9softwarecenterprovidedbp). And clicking on an authorized repository (such as a PPA) will show that the source is authorized (http://yfrog.com/jbsoftwarecenterauthentifp). ... Unfortunately, all except the last of those wireframes is tiny, so I can't read them. Could you upload larger versions? Thanks - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxZhgYACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecoP4gCfXaQfCBncnusXwgDOv+iGOJE1 WUEAnji5Ig3bJVnav4wP+3jJt5PPu2xF =3di1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Thoughts about software-properties
(I already sent this mail, but it seems it has been moderated because of the big size of images. Please feel free to delete this if you approve the other post) Hi, I was discussing with Michael Vogt about an idea I've had for a long time, and he recommended me to share my thoughts here. So, here goes nothing: Software-properties is one of the few applications that still relies on gksu. I was about to convert it to aptdaemon/policykit, when I thought of this: Why don't we just separate software-properties into both update-manager and software-center? So I began to create the following mockups: * update-manager: clicking on the Settings... button should open up a dialog that contains two tabs: Repositories ( http://yfrog.com/jvupdatemanagerrepositorip) and Automatic Updates ( http://yfrog.com/jbupdatemanagerautomaticup). Note that I mostly borrowed the design from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling#settings * software-center: Clicking on the Provided by Ubuntu pane should show (beside what's in place now) five checkboxes representing main, universe, restricted, multiverse, and commercial software ( http://yfrog.com/c9softwarecenterprovidedbp). And clicking on an authorized repository (such as a PPA) will show that the source is authorized ( http://yfrog.com/jbsoftwarecenterauthentifp). Share your thoughts - I'm not good at UI designing, so please feel free to criticize. Thank you, Mohamed Amine IL Idrissi -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
