Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Cory K. wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? -Cory K. Well, it depends on what you want to do. If the point is just to change the menu layout and labels , it only affect gnome-menus. But to change an entry like systemAdministrationPrinting, it affects the concerned application. So it's easier to change the layout than all the entries. wattazoum -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Remco wrote: (I could've sworn that I hit Reply to All... oh well, I'm sorry for the double emails to you, Greg. ) I sent the following to Greg an hour ago: I think that a simple renaming or merging isn't going to fix this. The complete configuration system has to be thought out. Someone configuring his computer doesn't want to choose between 30 items in each list. But he doesn't want to choose between 30 items in one list either. He just wants to configure his: * Personal Info - timezone, language, About Me * Display - resolution, appearance, screensaver, power saving, etc * Sound - which system, which sounds, recording * Input - mouse, keyboard, joystick, head tracker, whatever * Printers - anything and everything * Peripheral Devices - iPod, Zune, PalmOS, syncing, etc * Network Connectivity - IR, Bluetooth, Wifi, Ethernet, Proxy, samba, nfs * Security - Users/Groups, Keyring, Firewall, Anti-virus Any information, like System Monitor, Hardware Information and System Log, should move outside the options menus. You're not changing any settings with those. Package Management doesn't need to be there either. It has a nice icon under the Applications menu. An advanced button will suffice for that. It's not really a setting anyway, so it shouldn't be where it is now. Maybe another configuration applet is needed: Storage. With things like indexing, backups, restore points, partition management and maybe even defragmentation. But Ubuntu is lacking a bit with backups, restore points and defragmentation. (hoping not to start a defragmentation on linux flame war) Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Dear gnome developers and Users, We are having on ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list a discussion about refactoring the gnome menu layout. To have more information on the subject of this discussion, please have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/174277 So I the point is, I like the idea below. Removing the *Preferences* and *Adminstration* menu and replacing them with a single menu *Configuration* with a set of submenus. Can you give me your opinion on this ? Best Regards, wattazoum ps: Please keep the others mailing list in copy. If you don't want to subscribe to those list, please look at the video here http://wattazoum.fr/Optimised-usage-of-Ubuntu-mailing.html to use NNTP with gmane. Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Remco wrote: (I could've sworn that I hit Reply to All... oh well, I'm sorry for the double emails to you, Greg. ) I sent the following to Greg an hour ago: I think that a simple renaming or merging isn't going to fix this. The complete configuration system has to be thought out. Someone configuring his computer doesn't want to choose between 30 items in each list. But he doesn't want to choose between 30 items in one list either. He just wants to configure his: * Personal Info - timezone, language, About Me * Display - resolution, appearance, screensaver, power saving, etc * Sound - which system, which sounds, recording * Input - mouse, keyboard, joystick, head tracker, whatever * Printers - anything and everything * Peripheral Devices - iPod, Zune, PalmOS, syncing, etc * Network Connectivity - IR, Bluetooth, Wifi, Ethernet, Proxy, samba, nfs * Security - Users/Groups, Keyring, Firewall, Anti-virus Any information, like System Monitor, Hardware Information and System Log, should move outside the options menus. You're not changing any settings with those. Package Management doesn't need to be there either. It has a nice icon under the Applications menu. An advanced button will suffice for that. It's not really a setting anyway, so it shouldn't be where it is now. Maybe another configuration applet is needed: Storage. With things like indexing, backups, restore points, partition management and maybe even defragmentation. But Ubuntu is lacking a bit with backups, restore points and defragmentation. (hoping not to start a defragmentation on linux flame war) Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Ioannis Nousias wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | | - timezone | | - language | ` - About Me | - Display | | - resolution | | - appearance | ` - screensaver | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage | - Backup | - Partition Editor ` - Maintenance - using some /mini control center Guis/ by section : System ` configuration | - Personal Info | - Display | - Sound | - Input | - Printers | - Peripheral Devices | - Network Connectivity | - Security ` - Disks and Storage Some feelings about these ideas ? It looks nice. My personal view as a user is that menus are 'slow'. The restructuring ideas you guys suggest will certainly speed things up (navigating your way across menu options), but they will still be slow. I don't use menus. First thing I do after a fresh install is remove the menu applet. I rely solely on semantic search using deskbar. Deskbar is by no means perfect, but it's much faster finding what you need, from launching applications to those obscure configuration tools. It's nice to get the menus 'cleaned up', but if something really needs attention is semantic search across the entire desktop. If well thought and designed, something like deskbar can become really powerful. But since we are talking about menus, wouldn't it be cool if by typing in it starts filtering out irrelevant options ? (with a little text-box, like the one appearing in nautilus for instance). regards, Ioannis It is true that it is faster to launch the application via Deskbar, but to launch it , you need to know exactly what you want to launch. and that's why you have a menu (which needs to be well designed) so that it drives the user to the application he wants. Then once you have seen the name of the menu entry or of the application, you can use Deskbar . The KDE4 menu is, I must admit, very well designed as it combines a Deskbar with a well organized menu. A future project could be to use the same model for gnome. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Milan Bouchet-Valat a écrit : Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) a écrit : I like the proposal. Moving from System | - Preferences ` - Administration to Configuration | - Your Preferences ` - System Administration Is every one okay with this one ? To me it's seems clearer: *Configuration* is more generic and correct regarding the sub menu items than *System* ( which seems more linked to the system Administration than to the User Desktop configuration ). You forget one detail: System is not only for configuration, else this menu would not exist. It has definitely been carefully chosen. Oups, you got me :-p ( I completely forgot the others items under this menu ) *Configuration* is not good and *System* seems to fit better to this entry. Maybe there is no easy solution to this problem than refactoring the whole menu :-/ ( rethinking the whole menu layout ) Anyway, do we validate Preferences to Your Preferences ? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu
Dear developers, I am working on a bug on Launchpad https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/174277 and I suddenly though that I might ask here if the effort I am doing are worthy ( I wouldn't like to work a lot on this bug and have my patches refused :-) ) . So could you please have a look at this bug and the discussion on brainstorm, then my propositions and make some comments ? I am not MOTU but this bug is for a step for me on the road of MOTU :-) . So I would take also comments on the way I managed the bug. ;-) Best regards Aziz -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: About XDG specification implementation in Gutsy
Cody A.W. Somerville a écrit : The default IS the standard. The ability to change the default is just apart of that standard in case there is a need to change the default. Ah ! ok, I now understand, thank you both for your explanations :-) . (I'll now implement it on my software ;-) ) Regards wattazoum signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: About XDG specification implementation in Gutsy
Christopher James Halse Rogers a écrit : On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 02:51 +0200, Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Hello, I am very happy to see that Gutsy started to implement the XDG specification. That makes a cleaner and more usable desktop. But is it decide to implement the whole specification : http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html In the specification there is some env vars to get where the software should set there conf files and their datas. But I don't have those vars in Gutsy. Should I anyway develop my software to be compliant to it (meaning that they will be implemented ) or should I continue the old way ? You'll notice from that spec that if the environment variables are unset then your app should use the default dirs instead. Thus, for example, config should go in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/appname, or ~/.config/appname if that variable is unset. There's no need for Ubuntu to set that environment explicitly; the defaults should be good for most people. Chris Halse Rogers Well, It's right that I can set a default dir for my app but what is the use of this spec if it's just for letting developers implement the default. IMHO, since Ubuntu has chosen to start implementing this spec, it should implement it all. BTW what you said is true, developers should also implement the default (after checking the Env Var) to not fail on not compliant systems. Anyway, I don't find it wise to announce that we implemented XDG when it's just a part of it that has been implemented. Best regards wattazoum signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
