Karmic might scare users about hard disk dying
Hi devs. I'd like to point your attention to a bug which might be frequently noticed after Karmic is released: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/438136 In short: the new devicekit disk utility (palimpsest) might report lots of disks as failing, even the new ones. Please take a look at it as soon as possible to avoid the bad PR such as with the infamous bug 59695 Cheers, -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Support data gathering tool
Ubuntu needs a data gathering tool for user support and bug reporting. Currently when filing bug reports users have to manually run lots of commands (dmesg, lspci, lsusb, lsmod, alsa-something...) for troubleshooting their issues. Ubuntu should have a tool to gather all necessary system logs for reporting bugs and asking for support on answers.launchpad.net. I work for Sun and I find their Explorer tool very handy. It collects many system logs and outputs of system commands to show the system configuration and issues to the support team. It also has some options to skip some logs when the customer feels if it will violate his privacy. Red Hat has something similar, though not as developed as Explorer. Their sos (son of sysreport) tool is GPLed and could be tweaked to run on Debian/Ubuntu. Suse used to have Siga, now they have supportconfig, but I'm not familiar with it. There is also an independent distro-agnostic tool called Linux Explorer but it may be a bit outdated now. Having an explorer-like tool in Ubuntu would benefit both desktop and server users. Bugreporting would be much easier. You would only have to run one command, maybe with some options, to provide all the data needed for the bug troubleshooters. Example options could be: toolname -audio toolname -usb toolname -kernel toolname -all toolname -xorg toolname -network Appropriate options would be used for relevant problem types (ie. -audio for sound problems). Links: Red Hat: sosreport, earlier: sysreport https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/sos/ Suse: supportconfig, earlier: Siga http://en.opensuse.org/Supportutils Sun/Solaris: Explorer http://sunsolve.sun.com/explorer Independently developed Explorer-clone for Linux: http://www.unix-consultants.co.uk/examples/scripts/linux/linux-explorer/ Check out the Explorer page and its documentation to see how it's useful. http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-9-82329-1 -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Smolt - a better hardware database
Hi. OpenSuse recently adopted Smolt as their hardware database tool. http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/12/01/smolt-and-opensuse/ Shouldn't Ubuntu follow their example? There have been a few specs about creating a better hardware database for Ubuntu but none of them succeded. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExtendHwdb https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareDatabaseClientOverhaul https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterHardwareDatabase Smolt is much more mature now, it's open, and it's already used by 2 major distros (Fedora, Suse) http://smolts.org/smolt-wiki/Main_Page There is also a patch that adds Ubuntu support http://xyzz.kexik.net/node/12 But it might be outdated by now. Can anyone finally package Smolt for Ubuntu and make Ubuntu use it in place of our old hwdb/hwtest tool? -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: wiki spam
The Ubuntu wiki is getting spammed again. See my latest comments in the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/224971 Something must be done about it. Wikipedia does this much better. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Setting up Ubuntu 8.04.1 development system with no Internet
Alan Pope pisze: 2008/11/21 Terry Sikes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I did run across the idea of apt repositories on DVD, is anyone aware of such .iso files for developer tools (8.04 compatible)? It'd be great to just use Synaptic with a DVD. Repo on a usb disk/stick? That way you can take it to another machine to update it easily (using apt-mirror or debmirror) and take it back to the non-connected machine when it needs software / updates. Use aptoncd. http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
Markus Hitter pisze: Hello all, readers of this list might be interested in the discussion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/ It's about a new requirement from the Mozilla Foundation, how End User License Agreements (EULAs) are against the spirit of free software and the GPL, how click-through requirements affect the user experience and about wether Firefox should be replaced with a differently branded equivalent: See this page for a good explanation that this EULA is useless: http://spot.livejournal.com/299409.html -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranding http://lwn.net/Articles/118268/ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439604 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/09/15/ubuntu-firefox-and-license-issues/ http://lockshot.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/firefox-eula-in-linux-distributions/ -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
Mackenzie Morgan pisze: On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 13:40 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: it would be cool to see some community activity here (i.e. a team forming around redoing the scripts in upstart events, doing tests and measurements and publishing bootcharts ...) if the distro team alone does it it will take a lot longer and having help from the community can only speed up ;) After rewriting all of his initscripts to Upstart scripts, John Dong started UpHack ( https://edge.launchpad.net/uphack ) to experiment with doing such rewrites. This spawned from this thread on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=727224 where he posted about the boot time improvement he got from using Upstart and from using his PyFragTools to make the files more contiguous. If we are going to transition to full Upstart scripts instead of sysvinit then we should collaborate with Fedora because they're using Upstart too. This would make it easier to create and test all the scripts. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
Timo Jyrinki pisze: No, really, I think there is room for at least 5x improvement in disk seeks. The disk usage is currently terrible, and it is what is is because of the wish not to do too much optimization work so that there is no risk of breaking any complex setup of programs. The optimization of disk reads should be possible to do, but it would require a large amount of careful planning and testing and modifying different software, working together with the upstream. And some things like reordering/copying needed files on the disk to eg. a big sequential file just seems too ugly from technical point of view to some people, even though there are simply no alternatives to bringing the same kind of benefits. Maybe we could achieve it using Prefetch? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Prefetch https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticBootAndApplicationPrefetchingSpec -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Boot-time improvements
Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) pisze: Hi Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if the system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made to boot faster, it should be made to appear so. Here are some ideas around improving boot speed and making it appear faster: 1. Have as few transitions in the boot process as possible When a transition occurs, ie, the screen colour changes or flashes, it distracts the user, and gives an illusion that something is happening. It also makes it appear that more things are busy happening, and it makes the user notice the periods between the transitions (the watching-paint-dry effect). What happens before Ubuntu start is unfortunately not controllable. This is where Apple seems to have a very good advantage in their boot-up process. I think Ubuntu at least, should minimise all the transitions where it is possible. How about using Red Hat's news rhgb replacement - Plymouth? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=NjU3OA -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Making Canonical's/Ubuntu's contributions more visible
A recent LWN article has picked up the issue of Ubuntu's contributions to FLOSS: http://lwn.net/Articles/294542/ Check it out. Also I'm reminding you that the UbuntuContributions page is still open for additional content: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Content/UbuntuContributions Feel free to add anything you see fit. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: git 1.6
Nehemiah Dacres pisze: will git-core 1.6 be available in hardy Hedron repositories soon or will we have to wait till intrepid Ibex because this is a LTS release? There is no major version updates in Ubuntu life cycle. You'll have to wait for Intrepid. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Buggy Exaile in Hardy
Currently Hardy ships Exaile 0.2.11 (in universe) which has a blocker bug which prevents Exaile from displaying the playlist. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exaile/+bug/124066 Is it possible to upload newer version of Exaile to universe? (0.2.13) -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
pm-utils vs acpi-support
What's the status of pm-utils in Ubuntu? As far as I can see in Ubuntu Hardy, pm-utils is installed but it's not used by default because acpi-support is still present. When will we drop acpi-support in favour of pm-utils? Maybe this could bring us closer to fixing the unfamous bug 59695. Also, we can see that pm-utils are conflicting with acpi-support. References: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/239419 -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Did we really release 8.04?
Oliver Grawert pisze: hi, Am Montag, den 07.07.2008, 12:42 +0100 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: * the manual way, rename the source.list hardy mentions to intrepid and do an apt-get dist-update; you know that this is highly discouraged since it wont catch teh special cases update-manager has functions for ? What does update-manager do that apt can't? And why apt doesn't have these features? Commandline/server users also want to have the best upgrade experience possible. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No run menu item?
Mackenzie Morgan pisze: On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 00:31 +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: No. This would be used to open programs that are not in the menu without having a terminal window open. Example: metacity or compiz crashes Solution: run it again from a run menu item Bad solution: run it from terminal - you have to keep it open because when you close it you'll close metacity/compiz/whatever you've run in it nohup compiz --replace Then close the window. Compiz keeps going. Works dandy. With a simple run menu item the user wouldn't have to know any secret spells like alt+f2 or nohup. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No run menu item?
There are lots of people writing about it: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/167129 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=68031 http://darkness.codefu.org/wordpress/post/152 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76150 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=506489 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91454 http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/32956 http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/66659-run-command-gnome-desktop.html http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=593846 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88695 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512290 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65850 Also there are lots of reimplementations of this dialog: grun, gnome-run-dialog, gmrun Having many people doing reimplementations of it proves that people still need it. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No run menu item?
Andrew Sayers pisze: Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: Recently I've noticed that Ubuntu (or just Gnome) doesn't have a run program menu entry like in Windows' Start menu. I don't think every user will magically know the alt+f2 shortcut. I think this menu item should be added to the Applications menu, above or below Add/Remove menu item. It's a pretty trivial task so I think it could be easily added in Intrepid. Is this an issue that would be better handled in Brainstorm? In the absence of a clever compromise, it's largely about how common the use case is - an empirical question best answered by the crowd rather than by developers. - Andrew I've submitted it to Brainstorm: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10748/ -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: absurd: network connection required to obtain a network driver
Sam Tygier pisze: Does Jockey ask the user to put in a driver cd? or check it the firmware is on a windows/mac partition? or ask the user if they have the file? those would be cool I've filed a bug about it. Also I've filed a bug about ndiswrapper support in jockey. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
No run menu item?
Recently I've noticed that Ubuntu (or just Gnome) doesn't have a run program menu entry like in Windows' Start menu. I don't think every user will magically know the alt+f2 shortcut. I think this menu item should be added to the Applications menu, above or below Add/Remove menu item. It's a pretty trivial task so I think it could be easily added in Intrepid. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No run menu item?
Mackenzie Morgan pisze: On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 23:21 +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: Recently I've noticed that Ubuntu (or just Gnome) doesn't have a run program menu entry like in Windows' Start menu. I don't think every user will magically know the alt+f2 shortcut. I think this menu item should be added to the Applications menu, above or below Add/Remove menu item. It's a pretty trivial task so I think it could be easily added in Intrepid. There's a panel applet for it that you can add. But that's not a solution. People migrating from Windows probably will expect to have such a feature in the menu, not somewhere else. And I don't think they would search for it in the applets. There is a Gnome bug filed about it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455537 -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No run menu item?
Mackenzie Morgan pisze: On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 00:14 +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: Mackenzie Morgan pisze: I've never actually seen a Windows user use it. They usually seem to prefer hunting through the Start Menu, except when tech support tells them to go to the Run thing and type cmd and hit Enter. Maybe. But even your example shows that there is at least one use case for that. Why would we tell them to use Run... to open a terminal? It's in the menu, and not buried 4 levels deep, like on Windows. No. This would be used to open programs that are not in the menu without having a terminal window open. Example: metacity or compiz crashes Solution: run it again from a run menu item Bad solution: run it from terminal - you have to keep it open because when you close it you'll close metacity/compiz/whatever you've run in it -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No run menu item?
Cory K. pisze: There's no reason we need to match features of other OS's bit for bit. It's not about features from other operating systems. It's about usability. KDE has it. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: absurd: network connection required to obtain a network driver
Mackenzie Morgan pisze: On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Przemysław Kulczycki [2008-07-03 20:14 +0200]: If not, then maybe Canonical could ask Broadcom for permission to redistribute these files? That already happened many times, but fell on deaf ears unfortunately. And even then, that'd just give Canonical permission to redistribute them. It wouldn't give us (the users who like to make copies of our Ubuntu CDs and hand them out) permission. We're already doing this with ATI and Nvidia drivers, and some wifi and modem firmware. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
MID Edition vs Netbook Remix
Is the recently announced Ubuntu MID Edition the same as earlier announced Ubuntu Netbook Remix? Or is the Netbook Remix just based on MID Edition? The MID Edition announcement doesn't mention it and it might create confusion. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Making Canonical's/Ubuntu's contributions more visible
Matthew Nuzum pisze: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Przemysław Kulczycki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now let's get to the point. One of the often accusations against Ubuntu is that it only takes from other projects (Debian, Red Hat, Novell/Suse...) and doesn't give back anything. Ubuntu should make it more visible for others to see what does it contribute to upstream/floss community. Good. I hope something will be done about it ASAP. Reading all those comments about Ubuntu not contributing anything is really irritating. Let's start a wiki page at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Content/UbuntuContributions As the content on this page matures I'll sync it over to the main ubuntu website. I've added another point to the wiki - the recently developed Netbook UI. Feel free to expand it (the whole page) and add anything that needs mentioning. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Making Canonical's/Ubuntu's contributions more visible
[disclaimer] I don't know which list is the best to discuss it because there is no specific list for discussing Ubuntu's website, so sorry for the duplication. When the thread expands someone could decide to keep it on only one list. Now let's get to the point. One of the often accusations against Ubuntu is that it only takes from other projects (Debian, Red Hat, Novell/Suse...) and doesn't give back anything. Ubuntu should make it more visible for others to see what does it contribute to upstream/floss community. Red Hat and Novell have websites listing their contributions to free software: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions http://www.redhat.com/truthhappens/leadership/osdevelopment/ http://www.novell.com/company/affiliations/ Canonical or Ubuntu should develop a similar site listing their contributions to the free software community. It could include: Upstart, Storm, Bazaar, Jockey, Brainstorm, Ubiquity, gnome-app-install, migration-assistant, and many more. (with links to sources of the mentioned software) This would cut any discussions about Ubuntu being a parasite on other distros. What do you think about it? Anyone from the website team is reading this? -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!
Scott Kitterman pisze: Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition? Exactly. And then Ubuntu will happily let you create files that you can't read in Windows. It's weird. It just ocurred to me that when you email files, odds are the receiver is using Windows. Perhaps all the mail clients should be patched with similar warnings? That's probably a lot more common than copying from one partition to another. There's no need for that. If you receive an email attachement with a windows-illegal filename then the windows filesystem will refuse to save it under such name and you will be prompted for a name change. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Reusing old specs
Bryce Harrington pisze: The Ubuntu's blueprints page currently lists over 2000 specs. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu Some of them are implemented, but not marked as such. Some of them have been deferred, but are not marked as such. Some of them became obsolete. And finally some of them might be good for Ubuntu 8.10, at least after some cleanups. Maybe a separate spec should be created to cleanup old specs? Good but old ideas shouldn't be forgotten nor stopped in the middle. It does seem some cleanup could be beneficial. In going through the blueprints looking for Xorg-related ones, I've assembled a list of ones that look like Duplicate/Obsolete ones here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Blueprints Hopefully now that we have brainstorm.ubuntu.com, that will serve as a better forum for raw ideas, and blueprints will become used less for that and more for detailed proposals. I've also filed a bug with lots of totally useless invalid blueprints: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/177519 They should be marked as obsolete or just deleted. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Reusing old specs
Hi! I have a suggestion for development of Intrepid Ibex. The Ubuntu's blueprints page currently lists over 2000 specs. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu Some of them are implemented, but not marked as such. Some of them have been deferred, but are not marked as such. Some of them became obsolete. And finally some of them might be good for Ubuntu 8.10, at least after some cleanups. Maybe a separate spec should be created to cleanup old specs? Good but old ideas shouldn't be forgotten nor stopped in the middle. Greetz -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SPARC architecture moved to ports.ubuntu.com for 8.04 and beyond
Colin Watson pisze: In accordance with the technical board decision documented in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-March/000400.html, the SPARC architecture has been moved to ports.ubuntu.com for Ubuntu 8.04 and beyond. Users of this architecture should take care to update /etc/apt/sources.list. Old sources.list entries looked like this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted ... while new entries should look like this: deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ hardy main restricted A similar reminder goes for PowerPC users, since this architecture was moved to ports.ubuntu.com in a previous Ubuntu release. If you are still using archive.ubuntu.com on a PowerPC system, beware that this is likely to stop working soon and you should migrate to ports.ubuntu.com as above. (A similar notice will be present in the Ubuntu 8.04 release notes.) Is it possible to set up a HTTP redirect on old locations? Would apt accept a HTTP 301 Moved Permanently? -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Configuring X with multiple drivers available
Hi! AFAIK, in Hardy the new display configuration tool doesn't allow to choose a driver for your graphics card. In previous Ubuntu versions you could choose between ie. ati, fglrx, and radeonhd (if you installed it). Now I don't see any way to configure it thru GUI. It could clearly be seen as a regression. !-- Or maybe I missed something? If yes, then tell me where is it. I know that I could configure it by manually editing xorg.conf, but that's not the point. -- [5 minutes later] Ok, I've checked again and now I see in the menu editor that there is the old Screens Graphics tool, but it's not shown by default. The new tool should have an option to choose a driver manually, if there is more than one driver available, or at least it should have a button to run the old tool. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A note for translators regarding bootloader message
Colin Watson pisze: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:56:11PM +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas pisze: PrzemysBaw Kulczycki wrote on 21/04/08 14:36: I know that we're already behind the translation freeze, but there is something that many translators translate wrong. In the livecd bootloader, upon entering Try Ubuntu there is a briefly displayed string Loading Linux kernel which many translators translate as Loading Linux's kernel (Loading kernel of Linux) which is wrong, because Linux doesn't have a kernel, Linux _is the kernel_. So the string should be translated to mean Loading kernel named Linux rather than Loading kernel of Linux. This message should probably go away altogether, or be replaced with Loading...; there's no need to go into detail here, IMO. Good idea. Perhaps you could report a bug for adding an explanatory comment in the source code, immediately after this string. That way the comment will show up as a note in Launchpad for people translating the string. Not quite accurate, but true if the comment is placed in the .pot file. Which package should I file this bug against? syslinux? gfxboot? other? gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, please. Bug filed: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/221550 -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: PGP signature signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A note for translators regarding bootloader message
Matthew Paul Thomas pisze: PrzemysBaw Kulczycki wrote on 21/04/08 14:36: I know that we're already behind the translation freeze, but there is something that many translators translate wrong. In the livecd bootloader, upon entering Try Ubuntu there is a briefly displayed string Loading Linux kernel which many translators translate as Loading Linux's kernel (Loading kernel of Linux) which is wrong, because Linux doesn't have a kernel, Linux _is the kernel_. So the string should be translated to mean Loading kernel named Linux rather than Loading kernel of Linux. ... Perhaps you could report a bug for adding an explanatory comment in the source code, immediately after this string. That way the comment will show up as a note in Launchpad for people translating the string. Which package should I file this bug against? syslinux? gfxboot? other? -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
A note for translators regarding bootloader message
I know that we're already behind the translation freeze, but there is something that many translators translate wrong. In the livecd bootloader, upon entering Try Ubuntu there is a briefly displayed string Loading Linux kernel which many translators translate as Loading Linux's kernel (Loading kernel of Linux) which is wrong, because Linux doesn't have a kernel, Linux _is the kernel_. So the string should be translated to mean Loading kernel named Linux rather than Loading kernel of Linux. Polish translators already fixed that after my report to one of them. But this bug is at least in 3 translations - I've checked it in Hardy RC for Czech, Slovak, and Slovenian, which are similar enough to Polish so I can understand them. Other translations should be checked too. I've checked that Russian translation is ok. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: make information for installing Ubuntu from a USB flash drive easily accessible
Mackenzie Morgan pisze: The page is right here. It just needs to be linked to on the main download page so users know it exists. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick Then file a bug about it against ubuntu-website -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy abnormal disk use on battery
Milan Bouchet-Valat pisze: Hi all! I noticed that on Hardy, when (and only when) my laptop is on battery, the hard disk makes a sound every second or so, and never stops, even when no application is running but the desktop. atop reports this is pdflush that is writing something to the disk, but I could not identify why. What is strange is that as soon as I plug the power cable, the sound stop (rather illogical, sin't it?). Before reporting a bug I'd like to know if anyone sees this behavior - just unplug the cable and listen! Do you have laptop mode enabled? My guess is that it might be the (in)famous bug 59695. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Unneeded System Tools menu
There is also a spec about cleaning up the menus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited2 -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: P2P COMPUTING POWER IDEA
Vincenzo Ciancia pisze: My idea is to have an Opereting system that sheres computing power. The idea is that whenever your computer will need computing power it will take it from all of the other computers over the internet with the same OS. this way, for example when you will need to render a movie 1000 computers will help you render it and the rendering will go as fast as your bandwidth allow it to go. There are lots of similar projects, one of the most famous ones being boinc - see What he meant is grid computing. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_computing Boinc is a specific example of a grid. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
