RE: Proposal to delay release of Precise Pangolin
On mié, 2011-10-19 at 09:02 -0400, nick rundy wrote: I appreciate your e-mail, Martin :) * These types of bugs are too big/complex for quick patches and too small or unimportant for critical attention. This is what I'm getting at. I don't doubt this is true. However, fixing this stuff is what's going to make a critical difference in users coming to, enjoying, and staying with Ubuntu. Put the rapid release schedule on hold temporarily and make an LTS that fixes this stuff. Then the LTS can last a long time as the face of Ubuntu. The status quo has become new releases perpetuating old bugs that are years old. The LTS releases up to this point are better than the 6-months but they still contain these bugs. I'm proposing that if bug #1 is going to be Fix Released, the current full speed ahead rapid-release approach has to at least take a break for a cycle and address this stuff. NOW is an appropriate time because of Unity and GNOME 3.2. There's a lot of stuff that needs fixing in Unity and GNOME 3.2. I really think a bit more of time between the GNOME releases and the Ubuntu final release would help a lot in cleaning lots of these bugs. Usually, the x.x.1 release of GNOME is much better, since it includes lots of fixes for lots of issues as people start using the final stable release in their distros. So, getting x.x.1 in the final Ubuntu release would help a lot. Of course, not saying all bugs would get fixed, but it would help in having more of this kind of bugs fixed. Also, still talking about GNOME, the desktop team doesn't have enough man power to fix Ubuntu and GNOME upstream bugs, so yes, we also need 25/50 more desktop developers :) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P
On vie, 2011-09-23 at 21:56 +0100, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? as GNOME upstream is moving to use PackageKit and systemd more and more, I think it would be great, since these 2 provide well known DBus interfaces, to implement those DBus interfaces in our stack (aptdaemon and ¿ubuntu-system-service?) cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P
On dom, 2011-09-25 at 19:23 +0200, David Henningsson wrote: On 09/23/2011 10:56 PM, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? In general, avoid big new things that will be half-baked if we start working on them in P, and focus on finishing off things that are currently half-baked in O. +100 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P
On lun, 2011-09-26 at 10:40 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, September 26, 2011 03:58:56 PM Rodrigo Moya wrote: On vie, 2011-09-23 at 21:56 +0100, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? as GNOME upstream is moving to use PackageKit and systemd more and more, I think it would be great, since these 2 provide well known DBus interfaces, to implement those DBus interfaces in our stack (aptdaemon and ¿ubuntu-system-service?) cheers We used packagekit/kpackagekit in Kubuntu for several cycles. It's really not well oriented towards Debian style packaging (Debian released Squeeze with no KDE GUI package manager rather than use a packagekit based solution). We've recently switched to a Debian native solution that I think will work better for Kubuntu. RPM and Debian packages are very different in a lot of ways and I'm skeptical that something written for RPM is going to be suitable. that's why the 'implement the DBus interfaces on top of aptdaemon/u-system-service' part :-D -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P
On lun, 2011-09-26 at 13:04 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 15:58 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: as GNOME upstream is moving to use PackageKit and systemd more and more, I think it would be great, since these 2 provide well known DBus interfaces, to implement those DBus interfaces in our stack (aptdaemon and ¿ubuntu-system-service?) There's a thing that does this already for aptdaemon, I believe. Talk to mvo for more details. I don't think it handles adding/activating/etc… sources very well (or at all) though. :) aptdaemon already implements the session DBus interface from PK. What I'm talking about is about adding the system DBus interface from PK to aptdaemon cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: GNOME Panel dropped in 11.10
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 22:52 -0400, Francis Bolduc wrote: Then, I started reading about Unity on the web. I found out that in the next version of Ubuntu, the Ubuntu Classic session will be dropped, leaving me with a choice between Unity and GNOME 3. Not knowing what GNOME 3 was, I decided to try it that same day. To my dismay, I realized that GNOME 3 comes with GNOME Shell and it suffers from the same flaws as Unity (those listed above). Finally, I was shocked to learn that GNOME 3 will not include the GNOME Panel I like so much. fallback session for GNOME3 includes the gnome-panel, with a lot of improvements: http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead,-long-live-gnome-panel! cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
