Re: Bulid dedicated kernels.
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012, at 06:19 PM, HSO wrote: Smart buld. - Only Laptopo/Notebook - One kernel in one/two Month - and not bulid form scratch - but bulid by decres a module range like: some Laptop have no AGP - other have no PCI-E - one use pcmcia - other don't have - one use PAE ext, other don't etc, etc. And bulid only for lack performens of Laptopo/Notebook computers. And when it's costly - then do a long in time - by 10 - 20 Years - above 60 or 120 or 240 Kernel - and it's some of collection. Even if this could be done easily what would be the point? Just about all hardware drivers are built as modules so even with the 'all inclusive' kernels we have now you are still only loading what's needed for your specific hardware. All you'd be doing by building a custom kernel is saving an insignificant amount of disk space on the installed system (a few 10's of megabytes at most). Not to mention that your custom kernel wouldn't support new hardware devices that the user might buy out of the box, adding extra complexity to something that can already be tricky. Tim -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bulid dedicated kernels.
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012, at 06:19 PM, HSO wrote: Smart buld. - Only Laptopo/Notebook - One kernel in one/two Month - and not bulid form scratch - but bulid by decres a module range like: some Laptop have no AGP - other have no PCI-E - one use pcmcia - other don't have - one use PAE ext, other don't etc, etc. And bulid only for lack performens of Laptopo/Notebook computers. And when it's costly - then do a long in time - by 10 - 20 Years - above 60 or 120 or 240 Kernel - and it's some of collection. Even if this could be done easily what would be the point? Just about all hardware drivers are built as modules so even with the 'all inclusive' kernels we have now you are still only loading what's needed for your specific hardware. All you'd be doing by building a custom kernel is saving an insignificant amount of disk space on the installed system (a few 10's of megabytes at most). Not to mention that your custom kernel wouldn't support new hardware devices that the user might buy out of the box, adding extra complexity to something that can already be tricky. Tim -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bulid dedicated kernels.
Yes - and you have right. It's o lot of bigger idea - how to creat software (kernel and above - user space) to be one hand secure ( by process) and other hand Dynamic/Matching to Hardware to be in end speed with cheap machines. So Secure (porcess) Dynamic and speed. Os based on linux time to time have troble with someting make now and it's start form wrtie/read/ex. permisson - and question it's how yo Optimaze dynamic but not droping secure ? And for this all - how to do less to code. I think - it's how to manage a exist software - how to put the part to be fast as posible - with not to lot of codeing. 2012/2/13, Tim Edwards listst...@fastmail.com.au: On Sun, Feb 12, 2012, at 06:19 PM, HSO wrote: Smart buld. - Only Laptopo/Notebook - One kernel in one/two Month - and not bulid form scratch - but bulid by decres a module range like: some Laptop have no AGP - other have no PCI-E - one use pcmcia - other don't have - one use PAE ext, other don't etc, etc. And bulid only for lack performens of Laptopo/Notebook computers. And when it's costly - then do a long in time - by 10 - 20 Years - above 60 or 120 or 240 Kernel - and it's some of collection. Even if this could be done easily what would be the point? Just about all hardware drivers are built as modules so even with the 'all inclusive' kernels we have now you are still only loading what's needed for your specific hardware. All you'd be doing by building a custom kernel is saving an insignificant amount of disk space on the installed system (a few 10's of megabytes at most). Not to mention that your custom kernel wouldn't support new hardware devices that the user might buy out of the box, adding extra complexity to something that can already be tricky. Tim -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- powiedz mi, a zapomnę, pokaż -- a zapamiętam, pozwól mi działać, a zrozumiem! niebezpiecznik.pl -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bulid dedicated kernels.
in short - how to more creative and smart glueing some pice of open source software - or good knowed software - making some new. 2012/2/13, HSO a...@biznes.linux.pl: Yes - and you have right. It's o lot of bigger idea - how to creat software (kernel and above - user space) to be one hand secure ( by process) and other hand Dynamic/Matching to Hardware to be in end speed with cheap machines. So Secure (porcess) Dynamic and speed. Os based on linux time to time have troble with someting make now and it's start form wrtie/read/ex. permisson - and question it's how yo Optimaze dynamic but not droping secure ? And for this all - how to do less to code. I think - it's how to manage a exist software - how to put the part to be fast as posible - with not to lot of codeing. 2012/2/13, Tim Edwards listst...@fastmail.com.au: On Sun, Feb 12, 2012, at 06:19 PM, HSO wrote: Smart buld. - Only Laptopo/Notebook - One kernel in one/two Month - and not bulid form scratch - but bulid by decres a module range like: some Laptop have no AGP - other have no PCI-E - one use pcmcia - other don't have - one use PAE ext, other don't etc, etc. And bulid only for lack performens of Laptopo/Notebook computers. And when it's costly - then do a long in time - by 10 - 20 Years - above 60 or 120 or 240 Kernel - and it's some of collection. Even if this could be done easily what would be the point? Just about all hardware drivers are built as modules so even with the 'all inclusive' kernels we have now you are still only loading what's needed for your specific hardware. All you'd be doing by building a custom kernel is saving an insignificant amount of disk space on the installed system (a few 10's of megabytes at most). Not to mention that your custom kernel wouldn't support new hardware devices that the user might buy out of the box, adding extra complexity to something that can already be tricky. Tim -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- powiedz mi, a zapomnę, pokaż -- a zapamiętam, pozwól mi działać, a zrozumiem! niebezpiecznik.pl -- powiedz mi, a zapomnę, pokaż -- a zapamiętam, pozwól mi działać, a zrozumiem! niebezpiecznik.pl -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bulid dedicated kernels.
Smart buld. - Only Laptopo/Notebook - One kernel in one/two Month - and not bulid form scratch - but bulid by decres a module range like: some Laptop have no AGP - other have no PCI-E - one use pcmcia - other don't have - one use PAE ext, other don't etc, etc. And bulid only for lack performens of Laptopo/Notebook computers. And when it's costly - then do a long in time - by 10 - 20 Years - above 60 or 120 or 240 Kernel - and it's some of collection. -- powiedz mi, a zapomnę, pokaż -- a zapamiętam, pozwól mi działać, a zrozumiem! niebezpiecznik.pl -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Bulid dedicated kernels.
You can consider build specyfikated kernel iamge for install form Ubuntu software center. Like have a model range of laptop like: HP Compaq nx9010 and similar HP Compaq nx. That have a range of part - CPU, RAm, Graf., I/O ,etc,etc that bulid kernel have a rang modules to must be have. so its simple way to speed Up system - it's a be a second Kernel to choice on Boot menu, first like be before generic. -- powiedz mi, a zapomnę, pokaż -- a zapamiętam, pozwól mi działać, a zrozumiem! niebezpiecznik.pl -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fwd: Bulid dedicated kernels.
-- Forwarded message -- From: HSO a...@biznes.linux.pl Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:54:13 +0100 Subject: Bulid dedicated kernels. To: buildd@zirconium.buildd, ubuntu-devel-discuss ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com You can consider build specyfikated kernel iamge for install form Ubuntu software center. Like have a model range of laptop like: HP Compaq nx9010 and similar HP Compaq nx. That have a range of part - CPU, RAm, Graf., I/O ,etc,etc that bulid kernel have a rang modules to must be have. so its simple way to speed Up system - it's a be a second Kernel to choice on Boot menu, first like be before generic. -- powiedz mi, a zapomnę, pokaż -- a zapamiętam, pozwól mi działać, a zrozumiem! niebezpiecznik.pl -- powiedz mi, a zapomnę, pokaż -- a zapamiętam, pozwól mi działać, a zrozumiem! niebezpiecznik.pl -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bulid dedicated kernels.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 09:54:13PM +0100, HSO wrote: You can consider build specyfikated kernel iamge for install form Ubuntu software center. Like have a model range of laptop like: HP Compaq nx9010 and similar HP Compaq nx. This isn't going to happen, sorry - maintaining a wide range of different kernel builds is costly in various ways, and maintaining one for each laptop range would be entirely unsustainable. -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@ubuntu.com] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
