Re: Evolution in Ubuntu
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 10:37 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > I still don't see any real necessity to kick up such a fuss Paul. *shrug* That's nice. I do, or I wouldn't have asked the question. Since you don't even use Evolution and I do, every single day, I'm not sure why you feel the need to give me grief about this. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution in Ubuntu
I still don't see any real necessity to kick up such a fuss Paul. Personally, although I used to use Evolution for my email, it was simply due to the fact that there was no other real suitable alternative. I currently use Thunderbird on Windows. Sure Thunderbird is also available in Ubuntu/Linux but for some odd reason I always had issues with Thunderbird under Ubuntu. And I never have those very issues with the Windows version. Hence why I used Evolution. But I agree with the other chap that posted, Evolution is buggy and has been for a long time. Obviously development has picked up and things are hopefully going to change soon. And to put Maverick into perspective, it was a rather mixed bag of nuts I think. Probably due to the fact that original plans of using Gnome-Shell by default were quickly changed due to numerous delays of G3 development. Still, I was rather happy with a fully updated Maverick instance. -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution in Ubuntu
On 2011-01-22 07:16, Chris Jones wrote: I was definitely perplexed, then, to see that in Maverick, which is not by anyone's standards a long-term support release and is running Gnome 2.32, Evolution was left at version 2.30! And now I've heard (not officially) that Natty, which (as I understand it) will contain Gnome 3 as the base version, will ship with Evolution 2.32!! It's one thing to leave behind this package due to the confluence of LTS and a major amount of rewriting, but what is the justification for continuing to ship obsoleted versions of Evolution with every release of Ubuntu? Is this some sort of new policy decision, that Evolution will forever be left back in every release? Hi Paul. I can understand what you are saying, but is it really that important to you? I'm curious as to why it's bugging you this much. Does Evolution 2.32 have a particular feature that you require? If you're keen enough, you can probably sneak in the updated Evolution into your own system from a third party PPA or something. I'm sure the deb files are available from somewhere on the internet. It might be worth your while doing a Google search for them. IMHO Evolution is one of the buggier packages supplied as a default application in Ubuntu. I have used it pretty much every day since Feisty Fawn up until yesterday when I switched my last computer from Evolution to Thunderbird. I'm a big mail-user at work and and I use it pretty much privately also (so multiple accounts etc. I have experienced crashes from different parts of Evo pretty much once a week during these years. Sometimes the whole application, sometimes just the address-book, sometimes calendars. It's a shame, I like Evolution better than Thunderbird (GUI and feature-wise) but I'm fed up with the instability and the slowness, entering a big IMAP folder take ages compared to how it works in Thunderbird. Searching isn't indexed in a good way so it takes minutes to get search results for some queries. So I fully understand why you always want the latest version - there are always lots of bug fixed every new release. IMHO again, I think more work has to be put into Evolution or it should be replaced with another MTA. The Evo developers are doing a fine job but probably they are too few and they don't seem to use Ubuntu so therefore not a big priority to get new packages into Ubuntu. Rgds//T -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution in Ubuntu
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 16:16 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > > Is this some sort of new policy decision, that Evolution will > > forever be left back in every release? > > Hi Paul. I can understand what you are saying, but is it really that > important to you? I'm curious as to why it's bugging you this much. > Does Evolution 2.32 have a particular feature that you require? Evolution is now, thanks to the tireless efforts of Matthew Barnes (among others), undergoing impressive amounts of feature addition and bug fixing every single release. With every release it increases its integration with Gnome facilities, reduces bugs, gains new capabilities, etc. at a pretty rapid pace (compared with a few years ago). The code is being cleaned up, dialogs fixed, hangs removed/parallelism introduced, etc. etc. Bonobo and other ancient Gnome technologies are being excised, dbus and gconf uses are being fixed, etc. The IMAP+ backend is being enhanced to work better with newer IMAP server capabilities. Other backends have similar enhancements. Honestly I can't remember exactly what features/enhancements went into exactly which version of Evo. But in general, yes, it is that important to me :-) > If you're keen enough, you can probably sneak in the updated Evolution > into your own system from a third party PPA or something. I'm sure the > deb files are available from somewhere on the internet. It might be > worth your while doing a Google search for them. Well, I have myself created and maintained a makefile that allows people to build Evo (and its various parts) and install it in a separate directory, so it doesn't interfere with the package versions; I prefer this method. There are a lot of reasons this Makefile (or a PPA) are not optimal, which I can get into if anyone REALLY cares. I guess I would turn around your question and say, what's Ubuntu's justification for choosing this one particular application to "leave behind" at an older version? I understand the confluence of "major changes + LTS" that resulted in the 10.04 decision, but this seems like something that would need to be individually revisited for each release. Anyway, it sounds like everything is good for Ubuntu 11.04, sticking with Gnome 2.32. I'm presuming that the Evo 3 will be in the Gnome 3 PPA for those who want to try it, along with the rest of Gnome 3. Cheers! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution in Ubuntu
Hey Chris, On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 16:16 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > If you're keen enough, you can probably sneak in the updated Evolution > into your own system from a third party PPA or something. I'm sure the > deb files are available from somewhere on the internet. It might be > worth your while doing a Google search for them. I'm sure if he was bothered enough he could compile from source, find a ppa, build his own ppa or collect together parts for a time machine and get the next version early... I think what he's asking is because he's concerned about the situation for everyone's sake. If Debian has slipped a gear with the evolution version, then should we pay a little attention to re-aligning the release? Although I think Postler is looking more like a better email solution at this point. Maybe it won't matter for Ubuntu 11.10. > For the record too, Natty will not be shipping with Gnome 3 as > default. > Yes, it will be the default Gnome version available to install, but > Unity has replaced Gnome as the default out-of-the-box UI for Natty. I thought there was more to Gnome 3 than just GnomeShell? Is Unity completely Gnome 2x based with extensions or is it not what Mark, Jono and JCastro repeated over and over: 'Unity is still gnome, just a different shell' Regards, Martin Owens -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution in Ubuntu
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:16:31 -0500 > From: Paul Smith > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Evolution in Ubuntu (was: Re: Evolution & Ubuntu 10.04 LTS) > Message-ID: <1295550991.3964.39.camel@psmith-ubeta> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Last year I expressed concern over the fact that Ubuntu was leaving > behind Evolution in Lucid (that is, shipping Gnome 2.30 but leaving > Evolution alone back at 2.28). The explanation at that time was that > the change from Evo 2.28 to 2.30 involved a lot of significant rework > (which it did) and that the LTS release was not a place to experiment > with that sort of change. > > OK, fine. > > I was definitely perplexed, then, to see that in Maverick, which is not > by anyone's standards a long-term support release and is running Gnome > 2.32, Evolution was left at version 2.30! > > And now I've heard (not officially) that Natty, which (as I understand > it) will contain Gnome 3 as the base version, will ship with Evolution > 2.32!! > > It's one thing to leave behind this package due to the confluence of LTS > and a major amount of rewriting, but what is the justification for > continuing to ship obsoleted versions of Evolution with every release of > Ubuntu? > > Is this some sort of new policy decision, that Evolution will forever be > left back in every release? > > > Hi Paul. I can understand what you are saying, but is it really that important to you? I'm curious as to why it's bugging you this much. Does Evolution 2.32 have a particular feature that you require? If you're keen enough, you can probably sneak in the updated Evolution into your own system from a third party PPA or something. I'm sure the deb files are available from somewhere on the internet. It might be worth your while doing a Google search for them. For the record too, Natty will not be shipping with Gnome 3 as default. Yes, it will be the default Gnome version available to install, but Unity has replaced Gnome as the default out-of-the-box UI for Natty. Kind regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution in Ubuntu (was: Re: Evolution & Ubuntu 10.04 LTS)
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:16 -0500, Paul Smith wrote: > And now I've heard (not officially) that Natty, which (as I understand > it) will contain Gnome 3 as the base version, will ship with Evolution > 2.32!! Natty won't be based on Gnome3 according to this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-January/002740.html due to Gnome3's release date being too close to FF So shipping Evo-2.32 will bring it back into line with the rest of gnome -- Tony Atkinson Email: tatkinson...@googlemail.com PGP: F2B9184B signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Evolution in Ubuntu (was: Re: Evolution & Ubuntu 10.04 LTS)
Last year I expressed concern over the fact that Ubuntu was leaving behind Evolution in Lucid (that is, shipping Gnome 2.30 but leaving Evolution alone back at 2.28). The explanation at that time was that the change from Evo 2.28 to 2.30 involved a lot of significant rework (which it did) and that the LTS release was not a place to experiment with that sort of change. OK, fine. I was definitely perplexed, then, to see that in Maverick, which is not by anyone's standards a long-term support release and is running Gnome 2.32, Evolution was left at version 2.30! And now I've heard (not officially) that Natty, which (as I understand it) will contain Gnome 3 as the base version, will ship with Evolution 2.32!! It's one thing to leave behind this package due to the confluence of LTS and a major amount of rewriting, but what is the justification for continuing to ship obsoleted versions of Evolution with every release of Ubuntu? Is this some sort of new policy decision, that Evolution will forever be left back in every release? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
