Re: Hibernate and Restriced Drivers (Was: 4 More days...)
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:33:22PM +0200, Paulus Esterhazy wrote: This bug, or this group of bugs, will be a source of annoyance to many users. Basically, when you use restricted drivers (both NVidia and ATI), your system will fail to resume from hibernation most of the time. As restricted drivers are enabled by default, this should be considered a regression from feisty. They are? I hope this doesn't sound ungrateful. Ubuntu developers are doing a very good job overall, and dealing with binary blobs isn't an easy task. It's alright to know that something is broken right now, but it's worrying to have the impression that no solution is in the offing at all. I'd love to see some sort of Hibernation team created that tries to tackle the problem in a systematic way. I've tried. We can't. The lack of source means we have absolutely no idea what these drivers do over suspend/resume, and there's no way to figure out what we should be doing in response. The long-term solution involves moving modesetting and video initialisation into the kernel, but I strongly suspect that that will end up breaking the binary drivers for a significant period of time until they adjust. I don't see any way we can make this work properly within the next 18 months. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hibernate and Restriced Drivers (Was: 4 More days...)
On 10/18/07, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:33:22PM +0200, Paulus Esterhazy wrote: [snip] I hope this doesn't sound ungrateful. Ubuntu developers are doing a very good job overall, and dealing with binary blobs isn't an easy task. It's alright to know that something is broken right now, but it's worrying to have the impression that no solution is in the offing at all. I'd love to see some sort of Hibernation team created that tries to tackle the problem in a systematic way. I've tried. We can't. The lack of source means we have absolutely no idea what these drivers do over suspend/resume, and there's no way to figure out what we should be doing in response. The long-term solution involves moving modesetting and video initialisation into the kernel, but I strongly suspect that that will end up breaking the binary drivers for a significant period of time until they adjust. I don't see any way we can make this work properly within the next 18 months. And then there'll be excellent open-source drivers for ATI. We cross our fingers. Hugo Heden -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Hibernate and Restriced Drivers (Was: 4 More days...)
Hello developers, There's the decision to ship with a kernel that breaks suspend/resume on any machine using ATI proprietary drivers (and Nvidia I think, but by that point we'd rolled a custom kernel to fix the Ubuntu breakage). This bug, or this group of bugs, will be a source of annoyance to many users. Basically, when you use restricted drivers (both NVidia and ATI), your system will fail to resume from hibernation most of the time. As restricted drivers are enabled by default, this should be considered a regression from feisty. See for example #34043, which I think is still valid for most NVidia users, or #151471 for a more recent incarnation. Sometimes, following the instructions of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend will help make it work, but often it doesn't. What this means is that suspend won't work out of the box in Ubuntu any more. (And if you try anyway it crashes, with the possibility of data loss). (See [1]) I hope this doesn't sound ungrateful. Ubuntu developers are doing a very good job overall, and dealing with binary blobs isn't an easy task. It's alright to know that something is broken right now, but it's worrying to have the impression that no solution is in the offing at all. I'd love to see some sort of Hibernation team created that tries to tackle the problem in a systematic way. Thanks Paulus (who loves Gutsy otherwise) [1] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=564658 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
