Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On 11/05/10 09:20, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 08:15:30AM CEST, Chandru wrote: The default media players in Ubuntu, though quite capable do not have graphical equalizers. Rather than including an equalizer in every application, having a system wide equalizer can be very handy especially when playing online videos. I personally think that users will get confused with an EQ. If they find it, adjust something, and find sound is not as good, they will file bugs regarding sound problems that they have caused. I personally think we need to think very very carefully about how we implement EQ, and whether it is needed by the vast majority of people. Luke The solution to bugs like this is to make apport upload the equalizer settings (i think it already does with the volume settings). sam -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:03 AM, sam tygier samtyg...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The solution to bugs like this is to make apport upload the equalizer settings (i think it already does with the volume settings). It uploads the *alsa* mixer perspective, which may be desynced from pulse's idea of those settings (which shouldn't be the case, but...). Best, -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On 12/05/10 10:07, Daniel Chen wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:03 AM, sam tygiersamtyg...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The solution to bugs like this is to make apport upload the equalizer settings (i think it already does with the volume settings). It uploads the *alsa* mixer perspective, which may be desynced from pulse's idea of those settings (which shouldn't be the case, but...). Best, -Dan is it technically possible/easy to upload pulse's state as well? sam -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:36 AM, sam tygier samtyg...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: is it technically possible/easy to upload pulse's state as well? Sure, pacmd list-sinks. Best, -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
The default media players in Ubuntu, though quite capable do not have graphical equalizers. Rather than including an equalizer in every application, having a system wide equalizer can be very handy especially when playing online videos. I've been using https://code.launchpad.net/~psyke83/+junk/pulseaudio-equalizer with Lucid and found it sufficiently capable. It will be really nice if this can be included in universe for Maverick and gradually made available as part of the default installation in future releases once it gets further polished with community's feedback. -- Chandra Sekar.S -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using https://code.launchpad.net/~psyke83/+junk/pulseaudio-equalizer with Lucid and found it sufficiently capable. It will be really nice if this can be included in universe for Maverick and gradually made available as part of the default installation in future releases once it gets further polished with community's feedback. Two thoughts: This would entail switching to the master (or trunk) branch of upstream git, correct? Maverick currently tracks the stable-queue branch. Also, this should be packaged and submitted for inclusion into the Ubuntu repositories following procedure (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages). Best, -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 08:15:30AM CEST, Chandru wrote: The default media players in Ubuntu, though quite capable do not have graphical equalizers. Rather than including an equalizer in every application, having a system wide equalizer can be very handy especially when playing online videos. I personally think that users will get confused with an EQ. If they find it, adjust something, and find sound is not as good, they will file bugs regarding sound problems that they have caused. I personally think we need to think very very carefully about how we implement EQ, and whether it is needed by the vast majority of people. Luke -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
My suggestion was to just get the app into the official repos initially. Based on Daniel's reply I've sent a mail to the developer suggesting him to submit the application. If users find it useful they'd at least be able to install and use it easily. -- Chandra Sekar.S On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Luke Yelavich them...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 08:15:30AM CEST, Chandru wrote: The default media players in Ubuntu, though quite capable do not have graphical equalizers. Rather than including an equalizer in every application, having a system wide equalizer can be very handy especially when playing online videos. I personally think that users will get confused with an EQ. If they find it, adjust something, and find sound is not as good, they will file bugs regarding sound problems that they have caused. I personally think we need to think very very carefully about how we implement EQ, and whether it is needed by the vast majority of people. Luke -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: My suggestion was to just get the app into the official repos initially. Based on Daniel's reply I've sent a mail to the developer suggesting him to submit the application. It would be even more useful to work alongside him to get it into Maverick. Best, -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On 11 May 2010 09:20, Luke Yelavich them...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 08:15:30AM CEST, Chandru wrote: The default media players in Ubuntu, though quite capable do not have graphical equalizers. Rather than including an equalizer in every application, having a system wide equalizer can be very handy especially when playing online videos. I personally think that users will get confused with an EQ. If they find it, adjust something, and find sound is not as good, they will file bugs regarding sound problems that they have caused. Yeah I'm Engineering Major and have no clue which slider to move to hear what i want =) But with every music player I use I've always went into the equaliser, was choosing between preset options. Finding the one I like best and always increased the pre-amplifier to get louder music. I would find it extremely useful to do that just once for all apps that produce sound. As for bugs I was annoyed that speakers on my laptop were quieter under ubuntu until I was told to use EQ to crank the speakers higher without getting distortion when the sound is maxed out. I personally think we need to think very very carefully about how we implement EQ, and whether it is needed by the vast majority of people. Why can't the EQ be inside the sound properties the one you get to from current VolumeIndicator - Preferences? That would be Hidden enough yet Findable enough =) Luke -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
Including a system-wide eq sounds great and all, but it's probably more difficult than what it initially seems. Especially considering the variety of codecs and output configs and methods that we all have running. eg. gstreamer, xine, vlc, mplayer, xmms just to name a few. So I can't see how a system-wide eq could work. I use vlc personally for both video and audio and do enjoy it's built in equalizer. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On 11 May 2010 10:20, Luke Yelavich them...@ubuntu.com wrote: I personally think that users will get confused with an EQ. If they find it, adjust something, and find sound is not as good, they will file bugs regarding sound problems that they have caused. I personally think we need to think very very carefully about how we implement EQ, and whether it is needed by the vast majority of people. I agree, and I reckon it would be the same mess if we ever allowed ever users to change the size of the desktop font, or mess up with the sound volume. Or move windows around. Oh wait... Loïc -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: Two thoughts: This would entail switching to the master (or trunk) branch of upstream git, correct? Maverick currently tracks the stable-queue branch. No, my equalizer is merely a wrapper script that takes advantage of PulseAudio's module-ladspa-sink module (which has been included by PulseAudio for quite some time, but only stable since the 0.9.19 series) with an EQ LADSPA plugin. The script works by removing/(re)inserting the aforementioned module with the equalization parameters on a running server via pacmd, and optionally saving such configuration to the users's ~/.pulse/default.pa configuration file. Although Chandru linked to the source, there are also packages available (for Lucid and Karmic) if anybody is interested. See here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1308838 Directly link to my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~psyke83/+archive/ppa It was also included in Fedora 12's repository (though I am not the maintainer). Also, this should be packaged and submitted for inclusion into the Ubuntu repositories following procedure (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages). I replied directly to Chandru on this issue without awareness of this thread, so let me now copy paste to the list (and I'd be interested to know if there's still any demand for the submission): --- Hi, Getting pulseaudio-equalizer included into Lucid would have been ideal, but due to lack of time and problems with my development machine, I didn't get to make the submission before the freeze deadline. Moving forward, I'm not so sure that the equalizer has a long future in its current incarnation; the latest PulseAudio upstream code (non-stable branch) includes a native equalizer [1] which offers better quality than what can be provided through my equalizer (which uses a LADSPA plugin). So, for Lucid+1, perhaps there is potential to take the GUI part of my pulseaudio-equalizer code and adapt it to be used by the native PulseAudio equalizer. My GUI is GTK-based, whereas the native equalizer only has a QT-based interface available (pqaeq). There's nothing wrong with QT, but GTK-based applications would be preferred for the regular Ubuntu (i.e., GNOME-based) desktop flavour. Let's wait and see what happens. Thanks, Conn [1] This branch may be obsolete now that the equalizer is included upstream by default - I haven't followed developments recently. Here it is: http://gitorious.org/pulseaudio-equalizer -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including a system-wide pulseaudio equalizer
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Conn O'Griofa connogri...@gmail.com wrote: [1] This branch may be obsolete now that the equalizer is included upstream by default - I haven't followed developments recently. Here it is: http://gitorious.org/pulseaudio-equalizer Right, which is now in the master trunk of upstream pulseaudio git. Best, -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
