Re: KLF setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 10, 2007, at 3:01 AM, George Farris wrote: ... Couldn't agree more, however, in the interim if there was some concise docs for Feisty it would be great. Maybe we could get something going here to solve the problem until the GUI wizards are in. Possibly an Ubuntu Server docs url on ubuntu.com. Fill it with some howto information covering Samba, LDAP, Kerberos, NFSv4, Active Directory Integration. ... If you can write some, that would be great! Please do so at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/. Cheers - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGQsSu6PUxNfU6ecoRAnmMAJ9Q5n8hmvDCkbdWfTP4t2aaAfnTNACgo/PC H9OaE8sca+qW69sX4dgnbWg= =dvy4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: KLF setup
It wouldn't be so bad if there was just one concise piece of documentation but alas, we have all manor of stuff out in the wide on the net. Much of it is not correct for Ubuntu or your particular version of Ubuntu. Tools we really need but also good docs for each release. I think this is indicative of Linux, not just Ubuntu. Every distro and every release invents some new and improved wheels, and neglects documentation. We badly need a standards body to dampen the chaos. LSB? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: KLF Setup
On 08/05/07, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op vrijdag 04-05-2007 om 11:01 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Johnathan Falk: One of the biggest things that linux users forget all the time is that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly because of their pretty desktop because if desktop beauty was the deciding factor we would all use OS X. The biggest thing is that one a windows server you can have Ldap + Kerberos + File Serving setup in under 10 minutes with no hassle. On windows its Hey do you want to install Active Directory? Ok I can do that for you type your dns domain name and admin password POOF! I'm done. And then the result is that Windows-admins don't understand how it actually works...? ;-) But you're right that that is one of the things that makes Microsoft Apple popular. It's also why Ubuntu is rather popular too, even if we don't have as many one-click-wizards (or even zero-click-wizards) yet. I think you just pointed out the crux of the matter. To be more precise I think what Ubuntu Server is lacking is decent configuration tools. A few programs provide web-interfaces for configuration, but most of the time you are forced to edit the configuration files by hand. Each configuration file has it's own format and is hidden in it's own secret location. While this is no problem to the advanced admin it can provide a rather high entrance barrier. What Ubuntu needs is a centralised administration framework. Something that can have multiple UIs for different functionality, but with a single backend. I wrote a spec[1] on this topic a while back, but have not gotten around to implementing it. It would also be possible to just write a simple wizard to setup the system AD style via ssh, but that would not be nearly as elegant. Some form of remote administration really is a must if Ubuntu, either as a stand-alone server or as a unified solution) is to be marketed towards the SMB market and I would very much like his to become a priority for Canonical/Ubuntu. Arwyn [1]https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/remote-administration-server -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: KLF Setup
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 16:16:29 +0100 From: Andrew Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: KLF Setup To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 04/05/07 16:01, Johnathan Falk wrote: One of the biggest things that linux users forget all the time is that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly because of their pretty desktop because if desktop beauty was the deciding factor we would all use OS X. The biggest thing is that one a windows server you can have Ldap + Kerberos + File Serving setup in under 10 minutes with no hassle. On windows its Hey do you want to install Active Directory? Ok I can do that for you type your dns domain name and admin password POOF! I'm done. I have spent the last 8 days trying to get Ldap + Kerberos + NFSv4 to work at home with a little 6 node network and I can't even do that, how do you expect me or anyone to try and deploy this at a business or a school? Its practically impossible to find a good howto on this, and then feeding ldap information with ldif's? What the hell?! Yes I know this is standard but I come from a windows world and to paraphrase the Mac people it just works I am sick of struggling with this and pretty soon am just going to go back to windows work stations. There's a specification being worked on to provide the features you mention. It seems to be making good progress: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication [Above clipped from digest] I realize that network authentication is being actively pursued and everything leads me to believe it will be done right in Ubuntu. If you really want to be disruptive (positive or negative depending on your perspective ;-), dump /etc/passwd (except root) and install ldap on all systems by default (restricted to localhost unless admin chooses otherwise). When ldap becomes default infrastructure, it will find many many uses. Kerberos is nice, but realize that it is only as secure as the ticket server. Once your ticket server is compromised, the hacker gains single sign-on too. THK -- Timothy H. Keitt, University of Texas at Austin Contact info and schedule at http://www.keittlab.org/tkeitt/ Reprints at http://www.keittlab.org/tkeitt/papers/ ODF attachment? See http://www.openoffice.org/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
KLF Setup
One of the biggest things that linux users forget all the time is that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly because of their pretty desktop because if desktop beauty was the deciding factor we would all use OS X. The biggest thing is that one a windows server you can have Ldap + Kerberos + File Serving setup in under 10 minutes with no hassle. On windows its Hey do you want to install Active Directory? Ok I can do that for you type your dns domain name and admin password POOF! I'm done. I have spent the last 8 days trying to get Ldap + Kerberos + NFSv4 to work at home with a little 6 node network and I can't even do that, how do you expect me or anyone to try and deploy this at a business or a school? Its practically impossible to find a good howto on this, and then feeding ldap information with ldif's? What the hell?! Yes I know this is standard but I come from a windows world and to paraphrase the Mac people it just works I am sick of struggling with this and pretty soon am just going to go back to windows work stations. Maybe in the next iteration of Ubuntu instead of just 1. DNS server and 2. LAMP server, they could have another option Directory Server. Server roles are a big reason people like windows. I just click a server role and BAM! Everything is done for me, and in the end Ubuntu's goals are to make linux easy. Johnathan Falk Network Admin Clinton Community Schools MCP, MCSA, A+, Network+, CCNA Johnathan Falk Network Administrator Clinton Community Schools -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: KLF Setup
On Fri, 2007-04-05 at 11:01 -0400, Johnathan Falk wrote: One of the biggest things that linux users forget all the time is that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly because of their pretty desktop because if desktop beauty was the deciding factor we would all use OS X. The biggest thing is that one a windows server you can have Ldap + Kerberos + File Serving setup in under 10 minutes with no hassle. On windows its Hey do you want to install Active Directory? Ok I can do that for you type your dns domain name and admin password POOF! I'm done. I have spent the last 8 days trying to get Ldap + Kerberos + NFSv4 to work at home with a little 6 node network and I can't even do that, how do you expect me or anyone to try and deploy this at a business or a school? Its practically impossible to find a good howto on this, and then feeding ldap information with ldif's? What the hell?! Yes I know this is standard but I come from a windows world and to paraphrase the Mac people it just works I am sick of struggling with this and pretty soon am just going to go back to windows work stations. Maybe in the next iteration of Ubuntu instead of just 1. DNS server and 2. LAMP server, they could have another option Directory Server. Server roles are a big reason people like windows. I just click a server role and BAM! Everything is done for me, and in the end Ubuntu's goals are to make linux easy. You couldn't be more right about this. I've been through this myself and though I did manage to set up samba and ldap there are so many howto's and other pieces of information that contradict one another it, is just plain ugly and that's being kind. Clear concise and TESTED instructions on the Ubuntu site would be a real help. Even a setup script would be a better first step, something like: would you like to set up [ ] ldap [ ] samba [ ] nfsv4 [ ] kerberos Do you need to connect to ADS as a workstation [ ] yes [ ] no Do you need to be a member server in an ADS tree [ ] yes [ ] no Even that would be better than what happens now If I had experience with Kerberos and an ADS machine to play with I might do this but I just don't have the resources. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: KLF Setup
On 04/05/07 16:01, Johnathan Falk wrote: One of the biggest things that linux users forget all the time is that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly because of their pretty desktop because if desktop beauty was the deciding factor we would all use OS X. The biggest thing is that one a windows server you can have Ldap + Kerberos + File Serving setup in under 10 minutes with no hassle. On windows its Hey do you want to install Active Directory? Ok I can do that for you type your dns domain name and admin password POOF! I'm done. I have spent the last 8 days trying to get Ldap + Kerberos + NFSv4 to work at home with a little 6 node network and I can't even do that, how do you expect me or anyone to try and deploy this at a business or a school? Its practically impossible to find a good howto on this, and then feeding ldap information with ldif's? What the hell?! Yes I know this is standard but I come from a windows world and to paraphrase the Mac people it just works I am sick of struggling with this and pretty soon am just going to go back to windows work stations. There's a specification being worked on to provide the features you mention. It seems to be making good progress: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication Feel free to find out if there are any contributions you can make towards this goal. -- Andy Price -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: KLF Setup
On Fri, 2007-04-05 at 16:16 +0100, Andrew Price wrote: There's a specification being worked on to provide the features you mention. It seems to be making good progress: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication Feel free to find out if there are any contributions you can make towards this goal. Yes I am aware of that and well done, however, that spec has been worked on ever since Breezy or Hoary, I got the feeling nothing was happening. I'm not complaining so much per say just that this is a big issue and has been mentioned here on the lists for the last couple years. I guess what I'm saying is I think this is an important enough issue that maybe Mark might think about pumping some resources into it for a month or so. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
