Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
Miro starts up with about 35MB of ram, and maxes out around 100MB, but only after downloading and watching a lot of stuff, and browsing many channels. When it starts for the first time, and you point it to any videos you already have on disk, it generates thumbnails for every one. This process is extremely slow (about 10 seconds of 100% cpu for one thumbnail on my PC) and kicks ram usage up a good 50MB, but once all the thumbnails have been generated, miro is actually quite snappy, and i haven't had any real problems with it. After getting it set up, it doesn't use any more resources than Firefox, so it wouldn't really raise the system requirements, however it uses a ton of bandwith, and is fairly large. My thought is to include it in the main repo, but not on the CD. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
I've done it on 192MB. It wasn't pretty (mostly because the open source ATI drivers are the only thing that supports the Rage II, and only at 800x600 when the card can do up to 102x768seriously, Ubuntu was *not* meant for 800x600 systems), but it was functional. That one's around 300MHz, I think. It's a Pentium 2. On Feb 9, 2008 3:31 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 700Mhz, 500Mhz? OK, I cede! Apparently my 10-year old desktop is one of > the faster computers around :P It does look like 256MB ram is the lowest > you'll see running vanilla Ubuntu though. My setup only takes 50MB on a > fresh boot, but I know that vanilla Ubuntu takes around 150MB, so including > Miro would significantly boost the system requirements. > > > Just for kicks, I downloaded and installed the latest version from the > miro repos (1.1.2). Upon running, it crashed because I don't have firefox > installed (opera is faster). I'll install firefox and get back on how well > it works, but this is something that should be fixed in the packaging: miro > depends on firefox. > > > > On 2/9/08, Greg K Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 13:09 -0500, Evan wrote: > > > I'm typing this on a P3 1Ghz with 256MB of ram. Ubuntu runs moderately > > > slowly but easily survivable. > > > > ... > > > > > I'd say that this is about the lowest-end pc you'll find normal Ubuntu > > > installed on though. > > > > > > 1 GHz? Luxury! I run Ubuntu on a ~700-MHz Athlon, albeit with 376.5 MB > > of memory. > > > > Miro doesn't work, but I think that's the dodgy Nvidia driver (the > > open-source one) rather than the slow processor. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- Mackenzie Morgan Linux User #432169 ACM Member #3445683 http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com <-my blog of Ubuntu stuff apt-get moo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
700Mhz, 500Mhz? OK, I cede! Apparently my 10-year old desktop is one of the faster computers around :P It does look like 256MB ram is the lowest you'll see running vanilla Ubuntu though. My setup only takes 50MB on a fresh boot, but I know that vanilla Ubuntu takes around 150MB, so including Miro would significantly boost the system requirements. Just for kicks, I downloaded and installed the latest version from the miro repos (1.1.2). Upon running, it crashed because I don't have firefox installed (opera is faster). I'll install firefox and get back on how well it works, but this is something that should be fixed in the packaging: miro depends on firefox. On 2/9/08, Greg K Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 13:09 -0500, Evan wrote: > > I'm typing this on a P3 1Ghz with 256MB of ram. Ubuntu runs moderately > > slowly but easily survivable. > > ... > > > I'd say that this is about the lowest-end pc you'll find normal Ubuntu > > installed on though. > > > 1 GHz? Luxury! I run Ubuntu on a ~700-MHz Athlon, albeit with 376.5 MB > of memory. > > Miro doesn't work, but I think that's the dodgy Nvidia driver (the > open-source one) rather than the slow processor. > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 13:09 -0500, Evan wrote: > I'm typing this on a P3 1Ghz with 256MB of ram. Ubuntu runs moderately > slowly but easily survivable. ... > I'd say that this is about the lowest-end pc you'll find normal Ubuntu > installed on though. 1 GHz? Luxury! I run Ubuntu on a ~700-MHz Athlon, albeit with 376.5 MB of memory. Miro doesn't work, but I think that's the dodgy Nvidia driver (the open-source one) rather than the slow processor. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Feb 9, 2008 12:09 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know about the average computer, but it probably varies quite a bit. > I'm typing this on a P3 1Ghz with 256MB of ram. Ubuntu runs moderately > slowly but easily survivable. Xubuntu runs decently. I'm a bit of a speed > freak though, so I installed the core bits from the alternate cd and built a > custom fluxbox setup from there. I'd say that this is about the lowest-end > pc you'll find normal Ubuntu installed on though. Actually, I set up a computer for my daughter (age 3 :) that's a 500 MHz Celeron that I maxed out to 256 MB RAM and it runs vanilla Ubuntu pretty well for her purposes (playing music, tux paint, viewing images, etc.) Probably wouldn't run Miro very well though O:) CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
I don't know about the average computer, but it probably varies quite a bit. I'm typing this on a P3 1Ghz with 256MB of ram. Ubuntu runs moderately slowly but easily survivable. Xubuntu runs decently. I'm a bit of a speed freak though, so I installed the core bits from the alternate cd and built a custom fluxbox setup from there. I'd say that this is about the lowest-end pc you'll find normal Ubuntu installed on though. Just my 2 cents On 2/9/08, Conrad Knauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2008 4:29 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I personally love miro but can't still recommend it to my friends since > > it really crashes a lot on ubuntu. Including such an application on the > > default cd would,in my opinion, be not-so-good publicity for ubuntu. > > > Out of curiosity, what version are you using? (0.9.8 from gutsy or the > current 1.1.2 from Miro's repository) Other people mentioned that its > a bit of a resource hog (Vadim Peretokin wrote: "it was barely working > on my 1.5Ghz, 512ram laptop") what kind of system do you have? > > And, generally speaking, what's the 'average computer' Ubuntu is > targeting? The System Requirements listed on > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements must > be below what most people use Ubuntu on... > > > CK > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
Mine is a ThinkPad T40. 1.5Ghz CPU, ATI Radeon 7500 (32mb ram, open-source "radeon" driver). I am using Miro's repository, so it is the latest version. That said, I think it would be great if we advertised it on the website (those screenshots could use some updating too, btw). On Feb 9, 2008 12:54 PM, Conrad Knauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 9, 2008 4:29 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I personally love miro but can't still recommend it to my friends since > > it really crashes a lot on ubuntu. Including such an application on the > > default cd would,in my opinion, be not-so-good publicity for ubuntu. > > Out of curiosity, what version are you using? (0.9.8 from gutsy or the > current 1.1.2 from Miro's repository) Other people mentioned that its > a bit of a resource hog (Vadim Peretokin wrote: "it was barely working > on my 1.5Ghz, 512ram laptop") what kind of system do you have? > > And, generally speaking, what's the 'average computer' Ubuntu is > targeting? The System Requirements listed on > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements must > be below what most people use Ubuntu on... > > CK > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Feb 9, 2008 4:29 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I personally love miro but can't still recommend it to my friends since > it really crashes a lot on ubuntu. Including such an application on the > default cd would,in my opinion, be not-so-good publicity for ubuntu. Out of curiosity, what version are you using? (0.9.8 from gutsy or the current 1.1.2 from Miro's repository) Other people mentioned that its a bit of a resource hog (Vadim Peretokin wrote: "it was barely working on my 1.5Ghz, 512ram laptop") what kind of system do you have? And, generally speaking, what's the 'average computer' Ubuntu is targeting? The System Requirements listed on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements must be below what most people use Ubuntu on... CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
Miro is a wonderful idea, and the Miro guide is an excellent web site, but the program itself is a painfully bloated (and buggy) pig. The word "refactor" echoes in the back of my mind every time I use it -- which is very often, because it's still an excellent concept! Alas, it should definitely not have hit 1.0 until the program stopped creating duplicate entries for torrent downloads, and allowed for Miro channels to change their feed URL on the fly. (As it is, since the Google Tech Talks location changed, the channel is broken for every past subscriber). The front end could also use some more imagination. Possibly a bigger division between front and back ends would do the program well. I, for one, would love to navigate my Miro library with Elisa, for example, while still having a daemon (or something!) download my stuff in the background. At the moment, it is laid out just like an RSS feed reader with pictures, which defeats the purpose entirely. The only reason I really use Miro over an RSS reader, is because it integrates with that fancy guide web site. A problem right now is that opening a channel tends to take a few seconds (even on a 2.2 gHz Intel Core 2 Duo), yet that is the only way at the moment to list downloaded shows in categories. The interface has me thinking way too much about RSS feeds, what it should be downloading, wondering where things are and why one download that I thought I deleted a month ago keeps reappearing. As for the good part... check out the Google Tech Talks and TED channels. Googletechtalks is just an RSS feed of YouTube, but it is really nice and easy to get those through Miro since YouTube conceals their RSS subscribe buttons so that it takes ages to find them. Thanks to the Miro guide, things like that are really quickly discoverable, which is one of the things that makes TV such an intuitive experience; when people flip channels, they may find interest in shows they had no idea existed! Unfortunately, the guide still necessitates direct searching, but areas like the Popular Channels list help greatly. There is even a Yoga channel, if I remember rightly. Miro is looking to do for TV what the Internet is doing for text-based and interactive entertainment: Bringing the work, (and therefore the profits), closer to the content creators. This means less shady business practises, fewer businesses who base their entire profit model on luck and / or messing with their customers (*Cough* Retail), more open content, and - most importantly - less expensive content. A program like Miro (or really just the Internet TV idea in general) makes broadcast easier and more accessible than through a big TV network. This may take a while, as people are still very much hooked to the big / evil networks like Fox, but there is nothing to lose - only things to gain from the (potentially) infinitely superior infrastructure (when Miro loses its bugs). Internet services are the new medium for broadcast of content, and they have proven their worth in durability, flexibility and generally low cost. There are already some Internet radio channels that blast their analog broadcast competition out of the water, and online news sites are far easier to deal with than newspapers since they only consume space and time when you tell them to (ie: They have something interesting). Search engines like Google can integrate beautifully with all this stuff because every server talks in the same way, no matter what its owners are broadcasting. Internet TV is going to happen. ...Anyway, Miro is a fantastic program, but not ready for default. Yet. I do agree, however, that it may be a neat idea in the future :) Bye, --Dylan McCall PS: In my opinion, naturally. On Sat, Feb 9, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Vadim Peretokin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Miro is a great program, but it was *barely* working on my 1.5Ghz, 512ram > laptop. Pretty much unusable. So, it wouldn't really fit the min ubuntu > requirements and make some people unhappy. Not necessary... > > > On Feb 9, 2008 10:29 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 09/02/2008 Conrad Knauer wrote: > > > Apologies; I meant to ask: 'If Miro can't be added to the default > > > Hardy install (e.g. added to ubuntu-desktop), would it be possible for > > > Hardy+1?' > > > > I personally love miro but can't still recommend it to my friends since > > it really crashes a lot on ubuntu. Including such an application on the > > default cd would,in my opinion, be not-so-good publicity for ubuntu. > > > > Vincenzo > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
Miro is a great program, but it was *barely* working on my 1.5Ghz, 512ram laptop. Pretty much unusable. So, it wouldn't really fit the min ubuntu requirements and make some people unhappy. Not necessary... On Feb 9, 2008 10:29 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 09/02/2008 Conrad Knauer wrote: > > Apologies; I meant to ask: 'If Miro can't be added to the default > > Hardy install (e.g. added to ubuntu-desktop), would it be possible for > > Hardy+1?' > > I personally love miro but can't still recommend it to my friends since > it really crashes a lot on ubuntu. Including such an application on the > default cd would,in my opinion, be not-so-good publicity for ubuntu. > > Vincenzo > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On 09/02/2008 Conrad Knauer wrote: > Apologies; I meant to ask: 'If Miro can't be added to the default > Hardy install (e.g. added to ubuntu-desktop), would it be possible for > Hardy+1?' I personally love miro but can't still recommend it to my friends since it really crashes a lot on ubuntu. Including such an application on the default cd would,in my opinion, be not-so-good publicity for ubuntu. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
Sarah Hobbs wrote: > > 'If Miro can't be added to the default Hardy install (e.g. added to > > ubuntu-desktop), would it be possible for Hardy+1?' > > Forgive me for asking this - but is the market for watching internet TV > really that big? Conrad Knauer replied: > What would define a "large market"? > > Should Ubuntu only include software reactively rather than watching > for emerging trends? Ubuntu tends to include as much software as possible, with as much of that as can fit included in the default CD. What gets included in the default CD is more a matter of providing working base functionality for as many users as possible, rather than those features that may be interesting (although this often includes interesting things). > If Ubuntu switched to a DVD-based release, would you include it? Ubuntu does have a DVD release, on which miro is included. This release is not recommended for most users, as it is only in a very rare case that all of the software included on the DVD is interesting for the user. In the vast majority of cases, it is easier and less expensive for the user to install from the CD and then install any specific additional software desired from the network. Regarding the presence of miro on the default CD, there are a few steps to the process of possible, inclusion. Anyone is welcome to pursue these steps, but due to the limited size of a CD, not all programs submitted will necessarily be included. 1) File a MainInclusionReport for the candidate 2) Once the candidate is in main, investigate test-building CDs containing the candidate: this often might require removal of something. 3) Once a CD build using the new candidate works, investigate what needed to be removed to determine the tradeoff 4) Present the results of this research to the developers as a candidate change to the CD build. The above tends to be a fair amount of work, and can be quite frustrating due to the limit of what can be on the CD, the competition with other software seeking to be included on the CD, and the time and number of approvals required. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Feb 9, 2008 1:15 AM, Sarah Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 'If Miro can't be added to the default Hardy install (e.g. added to > > ubuntu-desktop), would it be possible for Hardy+1?' > > Forgive me for asking this - but is the market for watching internet TV > really that big? No no, its a valid question :) I would describe it as an emerging market (note the doubling download rate I quoted from the Groklaw interview as well as the proprietary competitors mentioned in the linked full interview, such as Joost and Hulu). > I've only seen *one* person ever actually watching it. > I don't see many people coming in and asking "how do i watch internet > tv?". Besides that, why would one *want* to go for internet TV, when > there are bigger tv's elsewhere, where you can watch what you like there. Time-shifting springs to mind (download overnight, watch in the morning). Place-shifting (e.g. what if you want to watch something while commuting on a train or bus?) Also, the content available is often not available via regular TV stations/cable (e.g. niche programs; Miro claims over 2500 'channels'). > Perhaps it's due to being Australian, with the associated low bandwidths, Ah, low speed internet would be a problem, but then again, that's a general problem for Ubuntu as a whole, ne? Updates for example- downloading new kernel or Firefox versions would get annoying if one didn't set them to d/l during idle time (e.g. overnight). > but I don't see this as a large market, which would be required for it to > take up CD space. What would define a "large market"? Should Ubuntu only include software reactively rather than watching for emerging trends? If Ubuntu switched to a DVD-based release, would you include it? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Conrad Knauer wrote: > On Feb 9, 2008 12:55 AM, Emmet Hikory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> It certainly sounds like the sort of 'killer app' that would attract >>> people to Ubuntu. >>> >>> If Miro can't be added to Hardy, would it be possible for Hardy+1? >> Miro is available in Ubuntu 7.10, and Miro 1.0 is currently in the >> hardy repositories. > > Apologies; I meant to ask: 'If Miro can't be added to the default > Hardy install (e.g. added to ubuntu-desktop), would it be possible for > Hardy+1?' > > CK > Forgive me for asking this - but is the market for watching internet TV really that big? I've only seen *one* person ever actually watching it. I don't see many people coming in and asking "how do i watch internet tv?". Besides that, why would one *want* to go for internet TV, when there are bigger tv's elsewhere, where you can watch what you like there. Perhaps it's due to being Australian, with the associated low bandwidths, but I don't see this as a large market, which would be required for it to take up CD space. Hobbsee -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHrVMH7/o1b30rzoURAn5qAJ4icVVQET6hWdnNtCiNkDN9/W+BTwCeOkto ixMBXzP1XJIrA63yxuzEB7s= =Di4m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Feb 9, 2008 12:55 AM, Emmet Hikory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It certainly sounds like the sort of 'killer app' that would attract > > people to Ubuntu. > > > > If Miro can't be added to Hardy, would it be possible for Hardy+1? > > Miro is available in Ubuntu 7.10, and Miro 1.0 is currently in the > hardy repositories. Apologies; I meant to ask: 'If Miro can't be added to the default Hardy install (e.g. added to ubuntu-desktop), would it be possible for Hardy+1?' CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
Conrad Knauer wrote: > > Miro (GPL v2 or later; currently in universe) has reached its 1.0 milestone > > http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2007/11/miro-10-is-here/ > > I note that its getting praise from the press > > http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/11/13/the-future-of-internet-tv/ > > I've used it in the past and its quite interesting. <...> > It certainly sounds like the sort of 'killer app' that would attract > people to Ubuntu. > > If Miro can't be added to Hardy, would it be possible for Hardy+1? Miro is available in Ubuntu 7.10, and Miro 1.0 is currently in the hardy repositories. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Miro (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Nov 14, 2007 3:16 AM, Conrad Knauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Miro (GPL v2 or later; currently in universe) has reached its 1.0 milestone > http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2007/11/miro-10-is-here/ > I note that its getting praise from the press > http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/11/13/the-future-of-internet-tv/ > I've used it in the past and its quite interesting. Just thought I'd mention that Miro was the subject focused on in a Groklaw interview: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080207173143823 Some points to note: --- Q: Can you tell me how many downloads you've had of the Miro player up to now? Nicholas Reville: Sure. Last year we had over two million downloads -- Q: Two million! Nicholas Reville: -- in 2007, and we've been growing pretty steadily with each new release. We're getting more users as the product gets better and better. And we're expecting to have, you know, four or five or more million more downloads this year. --- Q: Now, it is a multi-platform environment. Would you be able to tell us what the breakdown is between Windows, Mac, GNU/Linux? Nicholas Reville: I don't have exact numbers; it's actually a little bit harder to calculate than it sounds, but it's something like 70% Windows, 20% Mac, and maybe 10% Linux. I think we tend to have more Mac and Linux users than the population at large, because we're attracting early adopters, people that are more tech-savvy, that are following kind of the latest trends. But we're also trying to build something that really appeals to a mass audience, that's easy for people to use, that's easy to recommend to their friends, and so we're hopeful that we're able to both attract the early adopters and reach a mass audience. --- It certainly sounds like the sort of 'killer app' that would attract people to Ubuntu. If Miro can't be added to Hardy, would it be possible for Hardy+1? CK -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
