Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 20.14 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > > Precisely. I packaged kdvi from KDE 3 kdegrapics as a stopgap to > provide > this capability in Intrepid since no KDE4 package provided it in KDE > 4.1. > It's time has now passed. > Indeed, okular is doing reverse searches. Thank you for the effort in intrepid. To the benefit of other users stepping by here, to have reverse searches in okular one must configure an editor in okular settings (e.g. kile) and then shift+doubleclick will trigger reverse search. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:35:33 +0200 Andreas Wenning wrote: >On Friday 24 April 2009 14:48:28 Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: >> I upgraded to jaunty final and with my great disappointment I lost kdvi. >> I don't see it in the repositories, why? > >Okular is the default dvi viewer for Kubuntu and it now (as in kde 4.2 / >jaunty) supports dvi reverse search. > Precisely. I packaged kdvi from KDE 3 kdegrapics as a stopgap to provide this capability in Intrepid since no KDE4 package provided it in KDE 4.1. It's time has now passed. I think as people experience KDE 4.2 they will find it a significant improvement over KDE 4.1 that we shipped with Intrepid and there is very little to miss from KDE3 anymore. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
On Friday 24 April 2009 14:48:28 Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > I upgraded to jaunty final and with my great disappointment I lost kdvi. > I don't see it in the repositories, why? Okular is the default dvi viewer for Kubuntu and it now (as in kde 4.2 / jaunty) supports dvi reverse search. Regards, Andreas -- ,-¤. Kubuntu Linux ¤; http://www.kubuntu.org `-¤' Linux for Human Beings -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
Il giorno gio, 16/10/2008 alle 22.27 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > > > The story has a happy ending. Today kdvi got back into the archive > after I > bent the old kdegraphics package from KDE3 into building it in a way > that's > compatible with the kdegraphics package from KDE4. > > Scott K I upgraded to jaunty final and with my great disappointment I lost kdvi. I don't see it in the repositories, why? V. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > On Saturday 04 October 2008 20:37, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> On Saturday 04 October 2008 12:00, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: >> >>> Il giorno sab, 04/10/2008 alle 09.48 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: >>> I understand your frustration. There just isn't a good answer that will satisfy everyone for Intrepid. If we'd stayed with KDE 3 (as Debian is doing for Lenny), I think even more people would have been unhappy. >>> I see that only two packages are missing in intrepid: kviewshell and >>> kdvi itself. I took a look at the build-depends of both of them and even >>> if I would have to check in detail, it seems to me that the only kde >>> dependency is kdelibs4-dev which is in intrepid, this is confirmed by >>> the fact that the two binary packages can be installed in intrepid (and >>> work well) without any other hardy dependency. If so perhaps these two >>> packages may be added back to intrepid without the whole kde. >>> >>> Vincenzo >>> >> The problem is that they were part of the kdegraphics package and do not >> appear in the KDE 4 version of kdegraphics. If there's a separate tarball >> available, then I suppose it might be possible. I bit of Googling on my >> part didn't find one. >> >> Scott K >> > > The story has a happy ending. Today kdvi got back into the archive after I > bent the old kdegraphics package from KDE3 into building it in a way that's > compatible with the kdegraphics package from KDE4. > > Scott K > > This is a strong signal of the will to listen to user needs. I will be happy to keep on working on the new ubuntu - which is by far the most complete I've ever seen. thanks Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
On Saturday 04 October 2008 20:37, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Saturday 04 October 2008 12:00, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > > Il giorno sab, 04/10/2008 alle 09.48 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > > > I understand your frustration. There just isn't a good answer that > > > will > > > satisfy everyone for Intrepid. If we'd stayed with KDE 3 (as Debian > > > is > > > doing for Lenny), I think even more people would have been unhappy. > > > > I see that only two packages are missing in intrepid: kviewshell and > > kdvi itself. I took a look at the build-depends of both of them and even > > if I would have to check in detail, it seems to me that the only kde > > dependency is kdelibs4-dev which is in intrepid, this is confirmed by > > the fact that the two binary packages can be installed in intrepid (and > > work well) without any other hardy dependency. If so perhaps these two > > packages may be added back to intrepid without the whole kde. > > > > Vincenzo > > The problem is that they were part of the kdegraphics package and do not > appear in the KDE 4 version of kdegraphics. If there's a separate tarball > available, then I suppose it might be possible. I bit of Googling on my > part didn't find one. > > Scott K The story has a happy ending. Today kdvi got back into the archive after I bent the old kdegraphics package from KDE3 into building it in a way that's compatible with the kdegraphics package from KDE4. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
On Saturday 04 October 2008 12:00, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Il giorno sab, 04/10/2008 alle 09.48 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > > I understand your frustration. There just isn't a good answer that > > will > > satisfy everyone for Intrepid. If we'd stayed with KDE 3 (as Debian > > is > > doing for Lenny), I think even more people would have been unhappy. > > I see that only two packages are missing in intrepid: kviewshell and > kdvi itself. I took a look at the build-depends of both of them and even > if I would have to check in detail, it seems to me that the only kde > dependency is kdelibs4-dev which is in intrepid, this is confirmed by > the fact that the two binary packages can be installed in intrepid (and > work well) without any other hardy dependency. If so perhaps these two > packages may be added back to intrepid without the whole kde. > > Vincenzo The problem is that they were part of the kdegraphics package and do not appear in the KDE 4 version of kdegraphics. If there's a separate tarball available, then I suppose it might be possible. I bit of Googling on my part didn't find one. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
Il giorno sab, 04/10/2008 alle 09.48 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > > > I understand your frustration. There just isn't a good answer that > will > satisfy everyone for Intrepid. If we'd stayed with KDE 3 (as Debian > is > doing for Lenny), I think even more people would have been unhappy. > I see that only two packages are missing in intrepid: kviewshell and kdvi itself. I took a look at the build-depends of both of them and even if I would have to check in detail, it seems to me that the only kde dependency is kdelibs4-dev which is in intrepid, this is confirmed by the fact that the two binary packages can be installed in intrepid (and work well) without any other hardy dependency. If so perhaps these two packages may be added back to intrepid without the whole kde. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:18:29 +0200 Vincenzo Ciancia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Il giorno sab, 04/10/2008 alle 09.00 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: >> >> If it's an essential piece of functionality for you, then you should >> stay with Hardy. > >I personally have solved the problem using hardy's couple of required >packages - I will see if I can add hardy repositories with a lower >priority. The problem is as follows: > >ubuntu is growing in the academia, however people currently using >windows and miktex will not switch if they don't have inverse searches, >and they will obviously want to use the latest release. > >So to solve bug #1 we should compare features to what is available on >windows and in this case the regression is making ubuntu lose points. It was decided early in the development cycle that we didn't have the resources to deliver both a KDE 3 and KDE 4 desktop with Intrepid. Given the amount of effort currently going into making KDE3 to KDE4 upgrades smooth and doing KDE 4 bugfixing, I think it was the only way we could have gone. I understand your frustration. There just isn't a good answer that will satisfy everyone for Intrepid. If we'd stayed with KDE 3 (as Debian is doing for Lenny), I think even more people would have been unhappy. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
Il giorno sab, 04/10/2008 alle 09.00 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > > If it's an essential piece of functionality for you, then you should > stay with Hardy. I personally have solved the problem using hardy's couple of required packages - I will see if I can add hardy repositories with a lower priority. The problem is as follows: ubuntu is growing in the academia, however people currently using windows and miktex will not switch if they don't have inverse searches, and they will obviously want to use the latest release. So to solve bug #1 we should compare features to what is available on windows and in this case the regression is making ubuntu lose points. YMMV Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:44:30 +0200 Vincenzo Ciancia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >For the sake of other ubuntueros and texers out there, I just took the >hardy packages for kviewshell and kdvi in order and installed them with >gdebi, and it works. > >Intrepid is currently dropping a functionality which is necessary in >scientific and academic environments, that is: inverse searches when >using tex, using a modern and self-configured viewer. Two packages are >missing from hardy that make this possible: kviewshell and kdvi. >Intrepid needs to keep these packages until okular is capable of >inverse searches. > >Please developers comment - I am absolutely not convinced that things >can remain as they are, as a researcher and ubuntu user (at the same >time). > If it's an essential piece of functionality for you, then you should stay with Hardy. While KDE 4.1 has a lot of really cool features, it is still does not have complete feature parity with KDE 3.5. In some cases, we have kept KDE 3 versions of applications where it was technically feasible and the KDE 4 versions were not sufficiently mature. In the case of kdpf/kdvi it just isn't possible. I'm having some similar issues myself and the jury is still out on if I will stick with it or not. Kubuntu Intrepid will not be for everyone. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!
For the sake of other ubuntueros and texers out there, I just took the hardy packages for kviewshell and kdvi in order and installed them with gdebi, and it works. Intrepid is currently dropping a functionality which is necessary in scientific and academic environments, that is: inverse searches when using tex, using a modern and self-configured viewer. Two packages are missing from hardy that make this possible: kviewshell and kdvi. Intrepid needs to keep these packages until okular is capable of inverse searches. Please developers comment - I am absolutely not convinced that things can remain as they are, as a researcher and ubuntu user (at the same time). Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
