RE: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Evan Enviado el: mar 08/04/2008 1:48 Para: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Asunto: Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG) >IMHO, adding a boot-loader page to the installer would cause more trouble than >it's worth with new users. >However, the 'advanced' button should be far more visible. Make it bigger, and >label it 'configure boot-loader' or something. Very few people will use it, >but those who do need to be able to find it without a map. >Just my two cents. This a good idea. And also include a rescue mode in the first screen of the Live CD (to restore deleted grub installations), without pass by all the screen of installation and go directly to a partition/grub screen. Regards. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
IMHO, adding a boot-loader page to the installer would cause more trouble than it's worth with new users. However, the 'advanced' button should be far more visible. Make it bigger, and label it 'configure boot-loader' or something. Very few people will use it, but those who do need to be able to find it without a map. Just my two cents. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
On 2008/04/07 17:11 (GMT-0600) Gezim Hoxha apparently typed: > Adding a new page would first, confuse new users (potentially) and second, > it's an extra page that you have to click through; I think it's not a good > idea. Right. Better to be rude like windoz and automatically overwrite the MBR contents without asking for permission or explaining the consequences first. :-( -- "Either the constitution controls the judges, or the judges rewrite the constitution." Judge Robert Bork Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
On 08/04/08 04:39, Nigel Henry wrote: > I'm just installing another instance of Gutsy Gibbon on one of my drives, and > as you say the "Advanced" button is there on the confirmation page you > mention above, but can easily be missed, as I did on my first install of > Gutsy Gibbon, and ended up with Gutsy Gibbons Grub overwriting my FC2 Grub > that was in the MBR, with chainloaders to other distros on the drive. > > Yes. Gutsy Gibbons Grub had all the kernels listed for FC2, Debian Etch, and > Debian Lenny, but as the the kernels for Debian Etch, and Lenny are the same, > it would be a bit hit and miss as to which Debian version I would be booting. > > Personally I think it would be better to have a separate page for the > bootloader, as on other distros, and where you have choices presented to you > as to where you want to install the bootloader. In most cases the default of > installing to the MBR would be ok if you were a first time user of the > distro, but for those of us that have dual/triple installs on the drive, > options as to where you want to install the bootloader, I'm sure would be > appreciated. > Words fail me. Personally I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the developers who wrote software that was able to detect kernels across at least 4 operating systems, (Etch, Lenny, FC2 and two instances of Gutsy). As for the suggestion; adding 30 seconds of effort to 99.9% of installations for the "benefit" of 0.1% of the users seems a step backward, both for Ubuntu and society as a whole. -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S31°54'06" - E115°50'39" (Yokine, WA) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |>>?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
> > Personally I think it would be better to have a separate page for the > bootloader, as on other distros, and where you have choices presented to > you > as to where you want to install the bootloader. In most cases the default > of > installing to the MBR would be ok if you were a first time user of the > distro, but for those of us that have dual/triple installs on the drive, > options as to where you want to install the bootloader, I'm sure would be > appreciated. > Adding a new page would first, confuse new users (potentially) and second, it's an extra page that you have to click through; I think it's not a good idea. Regards, -Gezim -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:09, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 20:53 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 April 2008 19:35, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 19:23 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > The request I have is, is it possible to include options as to where > > > > the bootloader is going to be installed in Gutsy Gibbons installer > > > > program, as are present in other distros. The default is usually the > > > > MBR, but you are usually presented with other places to install the > > > > bootloader. > > > > > > It's an option in the "Advanced" button on the "confirmation page" of > > > the installer that says what's going where, what settings you chose, > > > and lists that GRUB is going on the MBR. > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. I've since got the Grub bootloader for Gutsy > > Gibbon installed on the / partition for GG, and now have access to all 4 > > distros on the harddrive again. > > > > I'll try another install of GG, if I can find space on another drive. I'd > > obviously missed the "Advanced" button on the "confirmation page" of the > > installer. > > By confirmation page, I just mean that last page before you hit the > "Apply" or "Install" or whatever it is button where it lists all your > choices. I'm just installing another instance of Gutsy Gibbon on one of my drives, and as you say the "Advanced" button is there on the confirmation page you mention above, but can easily be missed, as I did on my first install of Gutsy Gibbon, and ended up with Gutsy Gibbons Grub overwriting my FC2 Grub that was in the MBR, with chainloaders to other distros on the drive. Yes. Gutsy Gibbons Grub had all the kernels listed for FC2, Debian Etch, and Debian Lenny, but as the the kernels for Debian Etch, and Lenny are the same, it would be a bit hit and miss as to which Debian version I would be booting. Personally I think it would be better to have a separate page for the bootloader, as on other distros, and where you have choices presented to you as to where you want to install the bootloader. In most cases the default of installing to the MBR would be ok if you were a first time user of the distro, but for those of us that have dual/triple installs on the drive, options as to where you want to install the bootloader, I'm sure would be appreciated. Just some thoughts. Nigel. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 20:53 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Tuesday 01 April 2008 19:35, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 19:23 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > The request I have is, is it possible to include options as to where the > > > bootloader is going to be installed in Gutsy Gibbons installer program, > > > as are present in other distros. The default is usually the MBR, but you > > > are usually presented with other places to install the bootloader. > > > > It's an option in the "Advanced" button on the "confirmation page" of > > the installer that says what's going where, what settings you chose, and > > lists that GRUB is going on the MBR. > > Thanks for your quick reply. I've since got the Grub bootloader for Gutsy > Gibbon installed on the / partition for GG, and now have access to all 4 > distros on the harddrive again. > > I'll try another install of GG, if I can find space on another drive. I'd > obviously missed the "Advanced" button on the "confirmation page" of the > installer. By confirmation page, I just mean that last page before you hit the "Apply" or "Install" or whatever it is button where it lists all your choices. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 19:35, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 19:23 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > The request I have is, is it possible to include options as to where the > > bootloader is going to be installed in Gutsy Gibbons installer program, > > as are present in other distros. The default is usually the MBR, but you > > are usually presented with other places to install the bootloader. > > It's an option in the "Advanced" button on the "confirmation page" of > the installer that says what's going where, what settings you chose, and > lists that GRUB is going on the MBR. Thanks for your quick reply. I've since got the Grub bootloader for Gutsy Gibbon installed on the / partition for GG, and now have access to all 4 distros on the harddrive again. I'll try another install of GG, if I can find space on another drive. I'd obviously missed the "Advanced" button on the "confirmation page" of the installer. Thanks again for the quick reply. Nigel. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 19:23 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > The request I have is, is it possible to include options as to where the > bootloader is going to be installed in Gutsy Gibbons installer program, as > are present in other distros. The default is usually the MBR, but you are > usually presented with other places to install the bootloader. It's an option in the "Advanced" button on the "confirmation page" of the installer that says what's going where, what settings you chose, and lists that GRUB is going on the MBR. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Problem with Grub being installed in MBR as default (GG)
I've just installed Gutsy Gibbon on a harddrive with 4 distros on it. The install went ok, and was able to select which partitions I wanted to use to install Gutsy Gibbon on, but after that the install went into auto mode, and post install I find that Gutsy Gibbons Grub has been installed in the MBR, replacing my FC2's Grub, that had chainloader links to my 2 Debian installs, and to the FC3 install, which partitions are now being used by GG. I've reinstalled FC2's grub in the MBR, but up to now havn't found out how to install GG's Grub into GG's / partition (hda9). When I can, I can simply create another chainloader entry in FC2's Grub, so as to be able to boot GG. The request I have is, is it possible to include options as to where the bootloader is going to be installed in Gutsy Gibbons installer program, as are present in other distros. The default is usually the MBR, but you are usually presented with other places to install the bootloader. Nigel. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
