RE: Wubi
IMHO it doesn't make sense to remain Wubi on ISOs without maintaining. So I agree with bcbc, It is broken and needs to be fixed or removed. On 25 August 2015 at 08:32 Alan Pope alan.pope at canonical.com wrote: If someone wants to step up and take over maintenance, testing and release, we'd love to hear from them. If there is an official decision that Wubi should be fixed, I would be glad if I can help to do so. A lot of work should be already done with my submitted fixes which also support UEFI. But if more official help is needed, I would also not let down my friends who have pushed me to fix Wubi bugs. Regards, hakuna_matata -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Wubi
On 25 August 2015 at 07:33, bcbc bcbc openb...@gmail.com wrote: On that subject (on being in charge of Wubi), you do realise that there are in fact patches supplied to fix Wubi? This was what triggered my initial mail to this list in the first place. The combination of broken software, no releases, and near zero maintenance led me to believe it was dead. As per my previous reply to Dimitri, I don't think anyone will be tasked with looking after this in Canonical in the short term. If someone wants to step up and take over maintenance, testing and release, we'd love to hear from them. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Community Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Wubi
Hi, On 21 August 2015 at 14:01, Dimitri John Ledkov x...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 21 August 2015 at 13:53, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 21 August 2015 at 13:45, Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com wrote: Modern Windows releases broke Wubi, so we stopped shipping and supporting it a while back. As far as I know it's a dead-end now. We didn't stop shipping it. I just downloaded the 15.04 desktop iso. but it's only used in greeter mode on windows which shows a GUI window and offers one to reboot. That doesn't work. I grabbed the latest supported release (amd64 desktop 15.04 iso) and put it on a USB stick, shoved that in a Windows 10 machine. The efi partition gets mounted by Windows, but it sees the rest of the stick (containing wubi.exe crucially) as un-partitioned space. So from my one-off test on a fairly standard Windows 10 install, wubi can't work. launching wubi.exe off the cd doesn't start wubi installer. I assume you mean usb stick (or perhaps DVD) where you say cd as the 15.04 image doesn't fit on a CD. I didn't test the DVD use case, but certainly can once I dig a blank DVD out. if one moves the wubi.exe off the disk however, it still shows the installer mode if one wants to brick their windows I don't believe we should be in the business of shipping known brick-making software. We should fix these issues or drop them. We have no resources to maintain this (as I understand it). I therefore recommend we remove wubi from the CD image completely. If someone in the community wants to take over the project, and serve up the (fixed) wubi.exe from somewhere for those users who need it, I think that's a better way forward than us having a broken version on our ISO. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Community Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Wubi
There is also some logic in Ubiquity that will copy Wubi.exe to the Windows startup folder, when it finds 4 primary partitions already in use on an MBR formatted disk. It asks Install Ubuntu inside Windows? as the first option. e.g. http://askubuntu.com/q/536075/14916 When this happens, Wubi will run automatically the next time Windows starts - in standalone mode - which means it will download the whole ISO and try to install. So it is *inaccurate* to say that Wubi is serving only as a greeter in Windows. It is broken and needs to be fixed or removed. Here is the Ubiquity code in case you're interested: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py#L2333 If you'll notice, the logic depends on whether Wubi.exe has been shipped on the ISO or not. Remove Wubi and the logic is disabled. Also I find it a bit rich for you to say ...if one wants to brick their windows. Remember that Wubi.exe is signed and certified by Canonical. They probably won't find it amusing that the team in charge of Wubi are making comments like that. One would hope. On that subject (on being in charge of Wubi), you do realise that there are in fact patches supplied to fix Wubi? So if you wanted to you could just promote them. For example: https://code.launchpad.net/~hakuna-matata/wubi/upstart (merge requested in May) https://code.launchpad.net/~hakuna-matata/wubi/UEFI https://code.launchpad.net/~hakuna-matata/wubi/lp1385930 https://code.launchpad.net/~hakuna-matata/wubi/lp1317437 If you need help with these I'm pretty sure hakuna-matata would be happy to assist. Regards, bcbc *On 21 August 2015 at 13:53, Dimitri John Ledkov xnox at ubuntu.com http://ubuntu.com wrote: * *On 21 August 2015 at 13:53, Alan Pope alan.pope at canonical.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss wrote: ** On 21 August 2015 at 13:45, Michael Hall mhall119 at ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss wrote: ** Modern Windows releases broke Wubi, so we stopped shipping and ** supporting it a while back. As far as I know it's a dead-end now. ** We didn't stop shipping it. I just downloaded the 15.04 desktop iso. **but it's only used in greeter mode on windows which shows a GUI window and offers one to reboot. launching wubi.exe off the cd doesn't start wubi installer. if one moves the wubi.exe off the disk however, it still shows the installer mode if one wants to brick their windows Regards, Dimitri.* -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Wubi
On 25 August 2015 at 09:27, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: Hi, On 21 August 2015 at 14:01, Dimitri John Ledkov x...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 21 August 2015 at 13:53, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 21 August 2015 at 13:45, Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com wrote: Modern Windows releases broke Wubi, so we stopped shipping and supporting it a while back. As far as I know it's a dead-end now. We didn't stop shipping it. I just downloaded the 15.04 desktop iso. but it's only used in greeter mode on windows which shows a GUI window and offers one to reboot. That doesn't work. I grabbed the latest supported release (amd64 desktop 15.04 iso) and put it on a USB stick, shoved that in a Windows 10 machine. The efi partition gets mounted by Windows, but it sees the rest of the stick (containing wubi.exe crucially) as un-partitioned space. Interesting, we are supposed to have autorun.ini, which launches wubi thing of CD/DVD when inserted... Looks like windows is mounting the uefi partition, instead of the Joliet which it claims non-recognised. So from my one-off test on a fairly standard Windows 10 install, wubi can't work. launching wubi.exe off the cd doesn't start wubi installer. I assume you mean usb stick (or perhaps DVD) where you say cd as the 15.04 image doesn't fit on a CD. I didn't test the DVD use case, but certainly can once I dig a blank DVD out. I mean DVD. Something for a DVD drive looking around my house I don't have a dvd drive on any of my machines any more. if one moves the wubi.exe off the disk however, it still shows the installer mode if one wants to brick their windows I don't believe we should be in the business of shipping known brick-making software. We should fix these issues or drop them. We have no resources to maintain this (as I understand it). I therefore recommend we remove wubi from the CD image completely. If someone in the community wants to take over the project, and serve up the (fixed) wubi.exe from somewhere for those users who need it, I think that's a better way forward than us having a broken version on our ISO. That would be an action for foundations. -- Regards, Dimitri. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Wubi
Il 21/08/2015 15:01, Dimitri John Ledkov ha scritto: On 21 August 2015 at 13:53, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 21 August 2015 at 13:45, Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com wrote: Modern Windows releases broke Wubi, so we stopped shipping and supporting it a while back. As far as I know it's a dead-end now. We didn't stop shipping it. I just downloaded the 15.04 desktop iso. but it's only used in greeter mode on windows which shows a GUI window and offers one to reboot. As per the nature of most windows PC out there now, I see the only way to boot from USB is to access to advanced boot options from the start menu and request an EFI USB boot. Well, isn't possible to call that view from a small wubi autorun exe? In this way we just add a Reboot in EFI mode button that even an unexperienced user can use to make the Ubuntu USB stick to boot. Or at least show a document that explains the process. It's trivial, but not for most of windows unexperienced users. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Wubi
On 21 August 2015 at 13:45, Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com wrote: Modern Windows releases broke Wubi, so we stopped shipping and supporting it a while back. As far as I know it's a dead-end now. We didn't stop shipping it. I just downloaded the 15.04 desktop iso. alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads⟫ sudo mount -o loop ubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso ./iso [sudo] password for alan: mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads⟫ ls -l iso/wubi.exe -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2573712 Oct 17 2014 iso/wubi.exe Cheers, -- Alan Pope Community Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Wubi
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:13 AM Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote:
Hey,
Is wubi still a supported way of installing? If so, who maintains it?
I was almost sure that Wubi was no longer supported since Raring.
Precisely, since the end of this thread on ubuntu-devel:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-April/036993.html
(Intention
to drop Wubi from 13.04 release)
However, looking at {old-,}releases.ubuntu.com, it seems that *every*
release of Ubuntu ships with Wubi, including Raring itself.
Even https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide says that Wubi is an officially
supported installer. Although that page asks you to download from
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/wubi/ -- which is not up to date (it contains
just the Raring installer).
According to this old post on AskUbuntu from Dimitri John Ledkov:
http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/7497/wubi-discussion-again-supported-here-on-ask-ubuntu-13-04-and-later/7596#7596
Primary function is to be a cd autolauncher for people who pop the cd
into a Windows machine
If one copies the wubi.exe off the cd, it will launch and offer Wubi based
installation.
Officially it is still supported
Seems we have some bugs [1] including one fairly serious one [2] which
causes the wrong version of Ubuntu to get installed.
I was told wubi (installer) was to be replaced by a simpler wubi which
is just a menu. This doesn't seem to have happened. If we don't plan
on fixing these (new user) facing issues, is it time to retire wubi
from the images?
I'm neither an Ubuntu Developer nor a Wubi user, however I'd say that it
doesn't make sense to ship Wubi if nobody looks at serious bugs and if
modern versions of Windows are not supported.
Also, looking at both AskUbuntu and Launchpad, I am under the impression
that very few people are aware of the existence of Wubi nowadays (and I
guess that this is because you have to copy wubi.exe off the CD to get it
working). I bet that very few people would notice if Wubi (the installer)
disappeared.
Have a nice day,
Andrea
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Re: Wubi
Modern Windows releases broke Wubi, so we stopped shipping and supporting it a while back. As far as I know it's a dead-end now. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com On 08/21/2015 05:13 AM, Alan Pope wrote: Hey, Is wubi still a supported way of installing? If so, who maintains it? Seems we have some bugs [1] including one fairly serious one [2] which causes the wrong version of Ubuntu to get installed. I was told wubi (installer) was to be replaced by a simpler wubi which is just a menu. This doesn't seem to have happened. If we don't plan on fixing these (new user) facing issues, is it time to retire wubi from the images? Cheers, Al. [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/1471344 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Wubi
On 21 August 2015 at 13:53, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: On 21 August 2015 at 13:45, Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com wrote: Modern Windows releases broke Wubi, so we stopped shipping and supporting it a while back. As far as I know it's a dead-end now. We didn't stop shipping it. I just downloaded the 15.04 desktop iso. but it's only used in greeter mode on windows which shows a GUI window and offers one to reboot. launching wubi.exe off the cd doesn't start wubi installer. if one moves the wubi.exe off the disk however, it still shows the installer mode if one wants to brick their windows Regards, Dimitri. alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads⟫ sudo mount -o loop ubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso ./iso [sudo] password for alan: mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads⟫ ls -l iso/wubi.exe -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2573712 Oct 17 2014 iso/wubi.exe Cheers, -- Alan Pope Community Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Regards, Dimitri. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: wubi missing module multiboot to boot with Xen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/2011 02:05 AM, Abhishek Dixit wrote: As Phillip suggested set prefix=(loop0)/boot/grub I tried putting above line at many different places which included before I gave command insmod multiboot and I am getting the same file not found error. Any further things that I may look into? Is multiboot.mod actually in (loop0)/boot/grub? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk17teQACgkQJ4UciIs+XuIiJACfatX1uso6sPFNFrIIldsuWuv8 B/cAn0/TQhfYHE5kr54tu9isCO1/XEHj =wX5C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: wubi missing module multiboot to boot with Xen
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Phillip Susi ps...@cfl.rr.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/2011 02:05 AM, Abhishek Dixit wrote: As Phillip suggested set prefix=(loop0)/boot/grub I tried putting above line at many different places which included before I gave command insmod multiboot and I am getting the same file not found error. Any further things that I may look into? Is multiboot.mod actually in (loop0)/boot/grub? The folder is in C drive of Windows C:\ubuntu\ there is no folder named boot here and instead it is C:\ubuntu\disks\boot\grub and this folder is completely empty. I think Wubi installation does not uses grub. I have not done any changes to any default installation. It was just a normal installation. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: wubi missing module multiboot to boot with Xen
Continuing in same thread where we are trying to debug a grub problem
on a machine where Ubuntu
was installed using Wubi in C driver of Windows 7 C:\ubuntu
following are the grub entries we need to boot
menuentry Xen Linux 2.6.32.27 {
insmod ntfs
set root='(hd0,2)'
loopback loop0 /ubuntu/disks/root.disk
set root=(loop0)
multiboot /boot/xen.gz
module/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32.27 dummy=dummy root=/dev/sda2
loop=/ubuntu/disks/root.disk ro console=tty0
module/boot/initrd.img-2.6.32.27
}
with above entries I was getting
error:file not found.
when booting and command multiboot ,module are not present.
Now to dig this issue further I reboot the machine and go to grub command prompt
and manually pass on each of the above parameters which you see in the
grub entry
when I reached
grub insmod multiboot
then I got following message on screen
error:file not found.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Phillip Susi ps...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
On 3/10/2011 12:41 AM, Abhishek Dixit wrote:
I am not very clear with what you said in following entry where should
I add the line as you suggested.
Any time before the insmod that fails.
As Phillip suggested
set prefix=(loop0)/boot/grub
I tried putting above line at many different places which included
before I gave command
insmod multiboot
and I am getting the same file not found error.
Any further things that I may look into?
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Re: wubi missing module multiboot to boot with Xen
On 3/10/2011 12:41 AM, Abhishek Dixit wrote: I am not very clear with what you said in following entry where should I add the line as you suggested. Any time before the insmod that fails. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: wubi missing module multiboot to boot with Xen
On 3/9/2011 12:29 AM, Abhishek Dixit wrote: ntfs (hd0,2). Therefore any attempt to read any files from (hd0,2) simply wont work, cause there's no file there.It's a somewhat Then you want to change the prefix to point to where the module can be found: set prefix=(loop0)/boot/grub -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: wubi missing module multiboot to boot with Xen
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Phillip Susi ps...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
On 3/9/2011 12:29 AM, Abhishek Dixit wrote:
ntfs (hd0,2). Therefore any attempt to read any files from (hd0,2)
simply wont work, cause there's no file there.It's a somewhat
Then you want to change the prefix to point to where the module can be
found:
set prefix=(loop0)/boot/grub
I am not very clear with what you said in following entry where should
I add the line as you suggested.
menuentry Xen Linux 2.6.32.27 {
insmod ntfs
set root='(hd0,2)'
loopback loop0 /ubuntu/disks/root.disk
set root=(loop0)
multiboot /boot/xen.gz
module/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32.27 dummy=dummy root=/dev/sda2
loop=/ubuntu/disks/root.disk ro console=tty0
module/boot/initrd.img-2.6.32.27
}
Wubi with Xen problem set multiboot module missing,module command not
found error was being discussed above.
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