Re: Alpha 4 freeze ahead

[Conrad Knauer]

On Feb 4, 2008 5:34 PM, Bryan Quigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > > why not include [Firefox 3 Beta] by default early on to get more 
> > > > testing?
> > >
> > > Indeed +1
> >
> > Or not
> > Many addons are still not compatible
> >
> So?  This would help bring the ones included in Ubuntu that aren't
> compatable up to the light.  Plus, these are development builds.  Things are
> allowed to break.
>  Also:http://www.oxymoronical.com/web/firefox/nightly

+1 since https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4 states in BOLD text:

"This is still an alpha release. Do not install it on production
machines. The final stable version will be released in April 2008."

Pretty much by definition, FF3Beta is more stable than an Ubuntu alpha :)

(and we're not talking 'Microsoft Beta' here ;)

> > Why force users/testers to manually install and make FF 2.0 the default 
> > browser?

[piggybacking]

See above Ubuntu wiki URL regarding Hardy *alpha* "users".  One is
either *testing* Hardy, masochistic or foolish (or some combination
thereof ;)

Regarding testers, 'Why force testers to manually install and make FF
3.0 the default browser?'

Also, consider the Firefox release cycle; they discontinue support for
major versions six months after the release of a new major version.
Hardy will be supported for three years.  FF3 basically must be the
default browser to avoid (as much as possible) the unhappy situation
where Ubuntu is doing the security for Firefox instead of Mozilla
(consider Dapper still supports 1.5 even though Mozilla pulled support
for it in June 2007), so the more testing that can be done, the
better.

Six months from now would be until Aug. 2008; that's basically only as
long as we can guarantee that Mozilla will take care of FF2.  Likely
the release will be soon, so I'm guessing that FF2 won't be supported
past the end of the year.

Also, even if FF3 isn't *quite* released in time for Hardy (though I'm
fairly certain it will), I think that it should still be made the
default and updated when FF3 becomes available (consider that Warty
shipped with a pre-1.0 version and updated after the fact).  As I
recall, there was talk that the LTS release won't be Hardy per se, but
a point release shortly after that (e.g. 8.04.1?) where the big
wrinkles get ironed out.

CK

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Re: Alpha 4 freeze ahead

[Bryan Quigley]

> > > why not include it by default early
> > > on to get more testing?
> >
> > Indeed +1
>
> Or not
> Many addons are still not compatible

So?  This would help bring the ones included in Ubuntu that aren't
compatable up to the light.  Plus, these are development builds.  Things are
allowed to break.
Also:http://www.oxymoronical.com/web/firefox/nightly

>
> Why force users/testers to manually install and make FF 2.0 the default
> browser?

FF 2.0 is currently the default browser in hardy.
By the same idea, we could install the previous versions of gnome and force
users to install the up-to-date packages once they have it installed.
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Re: Alpha 4 freeze ahead

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On Monday 28 January 2008 08:15:05 Patrice Vetsel wrote:
> Le Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:21:25 -0500,
> "Bryan Quigley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
> 
> > why not include it by default early
> > on to get more testing?
> 
> Indeed +1

Or not
Many addons are still not compatible
Why force users/testers to manually install and make FF 2.0 the default browser?


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Re: Alpha 4 freeze ahead

[Patrice Vetsel]

Le Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:21:25 -0500,
"Bryan Quigley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :

> why not include it by default early
> on to get more testing?


Indeed +1


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Re: Alpha 4 freeze ahead

[Bryan Quigley]

When is Firefox 3 (Beta) going to be in the default hardy install?  We plan
on shipping Firefox 3, so why not include it by default early on to get more
testing?
Thanks,
Bryan

On Jan 25, 2008 11:47 AM, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Ubuntu developers,
>
> The expected release date of Hardy Alpha 4 is this coming Thursday,
> January
> 31.
>
> Hardy Alpha 4 will again use a "soft freeze" for main, as described in
> previous announcements[1].  This means that developers are asked to
> refrain
> from uploading packages between Tuesday and Thursday which don't bring us
> closer to releasing the alpha, so that these days can be used for settling
> the archive and fixing any remaining showstoppers.
>
> The list of bugs targeted for alpha-4 can be found in a couple of
> different
> places, according to your tastes:
>
>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/hardy-alpha-4
>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=950
>
> This milestone is intended to be used for tracking bugs that must be fixed
> in order for the alpha release to happen.  If you have doubts about
> whether
> a bug should block the alpha, please err on the side of caution by using
> the
> milestone for the bug so that the release team can review it.  Please also
> consider helping with the bugs already listed there if you have the time.
>
> The number of bugs blocking the alpha is expected to be relatively small,
> so
> if you don't have any milestoned bugs assigned to you, please consider
> helping with the list of bugs that are listed as release-critical for
> hardy
> as a whole: .  Again,
> please
> use your best judgement with regard to the alpha freeze when uploading
> fixes
> for these bugs.
>
> Please also help us to get the archive in a consistent state again for the
> alpha, as described on
> .
>
> Finally, if you know of new features in Hardy that you think should be
> highlighted for Alpha 4, let me or another member of the release team know
> so that they can be added to the release notes at
> .
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Steve Langasek
> On behalf of the Ubuntu release team
>
> [1]
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-January/000363.html
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