Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 11, Issue 27

2007-10-16 Thread mico
 What's wrong with this picture?

Easy: 
#1. Developers release untested crap and expect the community to find
the bugs. Bugs are too boring for developers to be bothered with.
#2. Developers working on parallel development threads manage to
resurrect old bugs that were killed long ago by other developers. Core
problem: lack of management and coordination, aka anarchy.

This is sure to offend some conscientious and dedicated people, but this
is not aimed at those. More work is needed on fixing the system, which
includes motivating some developers work more effectively. I believe
Canonical is on the front lines of this war already, but has limited
power to influence the mob upstream. 

I too have filed bug reports that got ignored. When there are 30,000 bug
reports this is understandable. The problem is 30,000. 


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Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 11, Issue 27

2007-10-16 Thread Sarah Hobbs
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And here's your Please ignore all my bugs pass.  Consider it taped to
your forehead.

When we have users like this, i wonder at the point of looking to fix
bugs at all.  They clearly don't care, and whatever we do will never be
good enough for them.  They seem to have no idea of the way things work
(including the idea of eating your own dog food), and seem so set in
their ways that it seems worthless to teach them the way that the world
actually works.

Canonical probably can't do much about the volunteer developer community
- - them being volunteers.  And of course, by writing this sort of mail,
you'll just piss them off.  And then you get less features, and more
bugs.  Are you sure you want that?

I'd suggest you help out, and only criticize when you've actually been
helping out with developing and/or bug triaging for a while.  You'd get
more credibility that way, rather than being marked as a troll.

Hobbsee

mico wrote:
 What's wrong with this picture?
 
 Easy: 
 #1. Developers release untested crap and expect the community to find
 the bugs. Bugs are too boring for developers to be bothered with.
 #2. Developers working on parallel development threads manage to
 resurrect old bugs that were killed long ago by other developers. Core
 problem: lack of management and coordination, aka anarchy.
 
 This is sure to offend some conscientious and dedicated people, but this
 is not aimed at those. More work is needed on fixing the system, which
 includes motivating some developers work more effectively. I believe
 Canonical is on the front lines of this war already, but has limited
 power to influence the mob upstream. 
 
 I too have filed bug reports that got ignored. When there are 30,000 bug
 reports this is understandable. The problem is 30,000. 
 
 
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