Re: Reminders: 1. UI freeze == string freeze, notifications needed for translators. 2. please remember i18n.
2008/3/8, Scott Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does string freeze include changes to package descriptions? Not sure if I'm the correct person to answer this, but I'd say no. Package description translations is not what Ubuntu translators do every day, or at least Ubuntu doesn't offer a framework like Rosetta to do those. I personally think package description translations should mostly be done in Debian anyway. -Timo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Reminders: 1. UI freeze == string freeze, notifications needed for translators. 2. please remember i18n.
Timo Jyrinki wrote: Hello, I'm generally more interested in getting stuff done that following processes that tightly, but for Ubuntu localization to succeed (one thing in the core of Ubuntu philosophy) at the very least notifications about changed/new strings are needed to be sent to ubuntu-translators mailing list. Does string freeze include changes to package descriptions? Thanks, Scott Ritchie -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Reminders: 1. UI freeze == string freeze, notifications needed for translators. 2. please remember i18n.
Hi, On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at the very least notifications about changed/new strings are needed to be sent to ubuntu-translators mailing list. Just a reminder that this also applies to documentation - any changes which affect the documentation should be notified to the ubuntu-doc mailing list. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess Thanks -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Reminders: 1. UI freeze == string freeze, notifications needed for translators. 2. please remember i18n.
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 15:27 +, Matthew East wrote: Hi Scott On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 15:39 +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote: I'm generally more interested in getting stuff done that following processes that tightly, but for Ubuntu localization to succeed (one thing in the core of Ubuntu philosophy) at the very least notifications about changed/new strings are needed to be sent to ubuntu-translators mailing list. Could you describe how package maintainers can identify changed or new strings, and how they can find out who/where to notify? I think the first part of that question is quite unfair - translators or documenters are not in as good a position to show how to identify the change in a string as package maintainers are, who are the people actually making the changes to the strings. Tell me if I've misunderstood the question, but changing a user visible string strikes me as being something that can only be done intentionally. Package maintainers are no more in the light than the translators, all the package maintainer is doing is packaging a new upstream version and uploading it. As for where to notify, the procedure is relatively clearly described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess In fact, according to the process set out there, it shouldn't be possible to do an upload without doing the notification, because the bug report in which the freeze exception request is made is required to contain a link to the notification in the archive of the -doc and -translators mailing list. I don't know to what extent that process is actually enforced though. Both of the packages referred to, I believe, are part of a standard freeze exception -- as is the entire GNOME desktop. Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Reminders: 1. UI freeze == string freeze, notifications needed for translators. 2. please remember i18n.
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:28 +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2008/3/7, Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Package maintainers are no more in the light than the translators, all the package maintainer is doing is packaging a new upstream version and uploading it. The wider subject is an interesting one any maybe something that should be part of some tool - telling stringinterdiff between releases. Anyway, I'm most interested in the ubuntu-specific packages, where the maintainers are also the developers - they should note whenever they change any text in the program during UIFreeze. Also the program UI should of course be ready by that time. If eg. GNOME application has strings changed during their own string freeze, package maintainer cannot be excepted to always notice that. But when a new upstream version of some user-visible main-repository program is put in, like network-manager-applet, I think it should be part of the process during UI freeze to notify translators since it's almost certain have changed. I would rather we got rid of UI Freeze altogether. Either we should freeze such things at Feature Freeze, with notifications of any upload that might change things (as per the FF policy anyway) -- or we should freeze such things at Beta Freeze and require explicit review. Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
