Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: Why was Shotwell chosen over Solang? It seems the only motivation for shotwell is to try Vala. Solang seems to already be in line with what we need and want. Is there a link to where this decision was made so we can see the discussion rather than just an announcement? Some people think that neither solang or shotwell will be ready in time for maverick, and as much as i'd love to see F-spot replaced sooner, i wouldn't want to upset users like what happened with empathy (although i'm sure it wouldn't be close to that bad). Perhaps this should be held off until Maverick +1? Also, there were specific reasons as to why Shotwell isn't ready, but for Solang it was just, yeah this isn't ready either. What specifically would you like to see in Solang for it to be considered ready? On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 09:42, Laco Gubík lacogu...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, According this article [1], Shotwell is replacing F-spot in Maverick. Article says that this was agreed at UDS. Personally I don't understand what Shotwell gives us over F-spot besides a better memory footprint. What Shotwell does lack, however, is a fairly well rounded Edit functionality. While F-spot's editing could use some improvements, it offers a lot of easy-to-use adjustments such as soft focus, sepia tone, desaturate, etc. All Shotwell offers for simple photo editing is an unfriendly group of sliders to adjust temperature, exposure, tint, etc. Until Shotwell or some other organizer gets a more robust and usable editing interface, I don't see how we can throw out F-spot. Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 10:00 -0700, George Farris wrote: Just uncheck the copy photos checkbox when importing. Yes, every time. And never ever forget it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Mario Vukelic mario.vuke...@dantian.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 10:00 -0700, George Farris wrote: Just uncheck the copy photos checkbox when importing. Yes, every time. And never ever forget it. This was a bug in f-spot. But it has been fixed at least since Ubuntu 9.04. Onkar -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Le 2010-05-19 07:54, Onkar Shinde a crit: This was a bug in f-spot. But it has been fixed at least since Ubuntu 9.04. Onkar That is to say that the F-Spot dev team is still responding (especially since they have a new maintainer)... and unless we're sure a regression can be avoid with a quick and reliable catch-up of Shotwell (or Solang) on all F-Spot features for the 10.10 release, why not take the improvement route instead of the announced change? -- Marco Laverdire -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 17:24 +0530, Onkar Shinde wrote: This was a bug in f-spot. But it has been fixed at least since Ubuntu 9.04. How so? It still shows the checkbox in the import dialog and there is not setting in the preferences. Or do you mean that this checkbox remembers its state now? (If so, then I missed it because I like the copy on import and never unchecked it) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Mario Vukelic mario.vuke...@dantian.org wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 17:24 +0530, Onkar Shinde wrote: This was a bug in f-spot. But it has been fixed at least since Ubuntu 9.04. How so? It still shows the checkbox in the import dialog and there is not setting in the preferences. Or do you mean that this checkbox remembers its state now? (If so, then I missed it because I like the copy on import and never unchecked it) Yes. That is what I meant. There was a bug where the 'unchecked' state of checkbox was never remembered. But this has been fixed for some time. Onkar -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Come on people, F-Spot has been able to NOT copy photos for a few releases now. Yes there are problems with it's speed etc but please gets the facts straight. Just uncheck the copy photos checkbox when importing. Cheers On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:43 +0300, Lucian Adrian Grijincu wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Mario Vukelic mario.vuke...@dantian.org wrote: I don't have an ongoing problem with the importing of photos, since new photos are on the camera's SD card anyway, and of course I want to have them copied somewhere. Though yes, initially it *was* a big step to give up on my existing directory hierarchy and surrender to F-Spot, and I do think that it can be a hurdle, even though I'm personally happy with having done so. One should also consider the a dual-booter's experience with F-Spot. You may be considering switching to Ubuntu but for any kind of reason you're still stuck using Windows (be it games, or some Windows-only software, etc.). During the years you have amassed an impressive collection of photos that you've carefully organised, categorized, tagged, named, etc. Such collections typically occupy at least a few GB or a few tens of GB. How would you feel if F-Spot demanded importing all those photos by copying the to your 15GB Ubuntu partition? Wouldn't you think F-Spot (or if you're not very techy: Ubuntu) is inferior to your Windows tools? -- . ..: Lucian -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
As a happy F-Spot user, let me make a few comments. On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 05:07 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: i still get complaints of it being slow and the fact that it requires you to import all of your photos into one folder is...beyond words. (...) i remember the last answer i got was a prompt and strangely passionate ugh, i hate it. I want to provide the opposite anecdotal evidence that I very much like F-Spot, a few warts not withstanding. I started to use it a few years ago for my personal photo collection (now approx. two or three thousand photos) when it stopped making sense to force photos into a directory hierarchy. I don't have an ongoing problem with the importing of photos, since new photos are on the camera's SD card anyway, and of course I want to have them copied somewhere. Though yes, initially it *was* a big step to give up on my existing directory hierarchy and surrender to F-Spot, and I do think that it can be a hurdle, even though I'm personally happy with having done so. The other stuff you wrote about Solang certainly looks interesting, but does it do F-Spot database import? I think if Ubuntu changes a default application that required some investment from users (such as actually creating a worthwhile F-Spot database with tags and whatnot), it should provide the option to switch to the new default, including a data import. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Mario Vukelic mario.vuke...@dantian.org wrote: I don't have an ongoing problem with the importing of photos, since new photos are on the camera's SD card anyway, and of course I want to have them copied somewhere. Though yes, initially it *was* a big step to give up on my existing directory hierarchy and surrender to F-Spot, and I do think that it can be a hurdle, even though I'm personally happy with having done so. One should also consider the a dual-booter's experience with F-Spot. You may be considering switching to Ubuntu but for any kind of reason you're still stuck using Windows (be it games, or some Windows-only software, etc.). During the years you have amassed an impressive collection of photos that you've carefully organised, categorized, tagged, named, etc. Such collections typically occupy at least a few GB or a few tens of GB. How would you feel if F-Spot demanded importing all those photos by copying the to your 15GB Ubuntu partition? Wouldn't you think F-Spot (or if you're not very techy: Ubuntu) is inferior to your Windows tools? -- . ..: Lucian -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Hi, According this article [1], Shotwell is replacing F-spot in Maverick. Article says that this was agreed at UDS. Kind Regards Laco [1] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/see-ya-f-spot-shotwell-comes-to-ubuntu.html On 15 May 2010 10:07, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: If i remember correctly, F-Spot had to undergo some big changes to meet the needs drawn up for Lucid, but i'm still not happy with it, and think it would make more sense to adopt a photo manager that is already in line with our needs. F-spots interface is so much nicer now, but i still get complaints of it being slow and the fact that it requires you to import all of your photos into one folder is...beyond words. I've converted many newbies to Ubuntu and F-spot has consistently been a major sore-spot. I always listen before giving my opinions on software with my new converts, and i never have to say anything about F-spot. If they don't complain to me on their own, i'll ask plainly what they think of it, and i remember the last answer i got was a prompt and strangely passionate ugh, i hate it. All i do is direct them to the alternatives to see which they like most (solang, gThumb, or Shotwell). Now i'm not saying F-spot isn't a decent application. F-spot is solid, but we can do a lot better. Solang is an unfinished product, but looks to be very promising (though i hate to throw around that word). Solang seems to be doing things right, much like PiTiVi and Telepathy, but hopefully without any lack of features. Check this out from their FAQ (http://live.gnome.org/Solang/FAQ): Why write yet another photo manager? F-Spot, GThumb, J-Brout, Shotwell, etc. rock. In our opinion none of them integrate well with the desktop. They need you to explicitly import photos from a directory and any meta-data that you add (mainly tags) get inserted into their private database. We do not do that anymore. We use Tracker (http://tracker-project.org/) for these purposes. It allows us to automatically detect all the photos on your computer and any meta-data that is added gets inserted into Tracker. So if you tag your photos in Solang, you can use those tags from any other application on the desktop (eg., Nautilus), and vice versa. If Solang can mature in time, it might be worth making default in Maverick or Maverick +1. The newest version (old one wasn't stable enough) isn't packaged for debian yet, but hopefully that won't take too long. Bug report for anyone interested: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579606 -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo Every (in)decision matters. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Hi, Here are my views on the decision to replace F-Spot by Shotwell: 1. I've tried the latest Shotwell version (0.5.2) and clearly, it's still an immature application, that can't be compared to F-Spot feature-wise. Right now, Shotwell doesn't even know how to import F-Spot tags (XMP), so it wouldn't provide some basic continuity to regular Ubuntu users. Moreover, it seems that there is no way in Shotwell to opt for embedding tags within pictures (whether in XMP or IPTC), which is clearly the right and modern way to manage pictures according to many experts. For one thing, this is the best approach to provide freedom to user overtime, since it let him move his collection from one application/media/OS to another, without loosing it's tag work (even Microsoft has embraced the embedded metadata approach since Vista!). Shotwell is also short on many other features that F-Spot already has. To me, replacing F-Spot by Shotwell, as it is right now, would be a regression. 2. I've also tried the latest version of Solang and my conclusions are the same: right now, it's an immature/half-backed application, that can't compete with F-Spot. 3. I know that F-Spot is not perfect and that many users don't like it (while some others, like me, have learned to like it). Having read many critics on F-Spot, it seems that it's main problem is that it forces users to import pictures, instead of just scanning the directory set by the user. For the rest, F-Spot let the user browse it's pictures by tags, by date/years (timeline) and by folders (maybe this feature is not well known), so on the browsing front, it's not so different than Shotwell, wile it's more mature and complete for editing, etc. Now here's the question: Do Shotwell (or Solang for that mater) developers will be able to catch up on F-Spot features (or to even just implement the neccessary features to assure compatibility/continuity for F-Spot/Ubuntu regular users between now and the release of 10.10 Maverick (in 5 months!)? Wouldn't it be more productive to try to improve F-Spot (which has a new maintainer), at least to implement some sort of directory scanning (i.e. the main directory set by the user), to circumvent the "mandatory import" problem? That was my 2 cents! Thanks. -- Marco Laverdire -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Hi, Here are my views on the decision to replace F-Spot by Shotwell: 1. I've tried the latest Shotwell version (0.5.2) and clearly, it's still an immature application, that can't be compared to F-Spot feature-wise. Right now, Shotwell doesn't even know how to import F-Spot tags (XMP), so it wouldn't provide some basic continuity to regular Ubuntu users. Moreover, it seems that there is no way in Shotwell to opt for embedding tags within pictures (whether in XMP or IPTC), which is clearly the right and modern way to manage pictures according to many experts. For one thing, this is the best approach to provide freedom to user overtime, since it let him move his collection from one application/media/OS to another, without loosing it's tag work (even Microsoft has embraced the embedded metadata approach since Vista!). Shotwell is also short on many other features that F-Spot already has. To me, replacing F-Spot by Shotwell, as it is right now, would be a regression. 2. I've also tried the latest version of Solang and my conclusions are the same: right now, it's an immature/half-backed application, that can't compete with F-Spot. 3. I know that F-Spot is not perfect and that many users don't like it (while some others, like me, have learned to like it). Having read many critics on F-Spot, it seems that it's main problem is that it forces users to import pictures, instead of just scanning the directory set by the user. For the rest, F-Spot let the user browse it's pictures by tags, by date/years (timeline) and by folders (maybe this feature is not well known), so on the browsing front, it's not so different than Shotwell, wile it's more mature and complete for editing, etc. Now here's the question: Do Shotwell (or Solang for that mater) developers will be able to catch up on F-Spot features (or to even just implement the neccessary features to assure compatibility/continuity for F-Spot/Ubuntu regular users between now and the release of 10.10 Maverick (in 5 months!)? Wouldn't it be more productive to try to improve F-Spot (which has a new maintainer http://mail.gnome.org/archives/f-spot-list/2010-May/msg00012.html), at least to implement some sort of directory scanning (i.e. the main directory set by the user), to circumvent the mandatory import problem? That was my 2 cents! Thanks. (sorry for my previous HTML message) -- Marco Laverdière -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Hi Marco, See my comments below. 2010/5/15 Marco Laverdière marco.laverdi...@gmail.com: Hi, Here are my views on the decision to replace F-Spot by Shotwell: 1. I've tried the latest Shotwell version (0.5.2) and clearly, it's still an immature application, that can't be compared to F-Spot feature-wise. Right now, Shotwell doesn't even know how to import F-Spot tags (XMP), so it wouldn't provide some basic continuity to regular Ubuntu users. Moreover, it seems that there is no way in Shotwell to opt for embedding tags within pictures (whether in XMP or IPTC), which is clearly the right and modern way to manage pictures according to many experts. For one thing, this is the best approach to provide freedom to user overtime, since it let him move his collection from one application/media/OS to another, without loosing it's tag work (even Microsoft has embraced the embedded metadata approach since Vista!). Shotwell is also short on many other features that F-Spot already has. To me, replacing F-Spot by Shotwell, as it is right now, would be a regression. There is ticket raised for this in Shotwell track [1] and also devs are looking on other photo managers, how are these managing tags [2]. It might be worth to let them know, if this is the biggest missing feature when compared to F-Spot. 2. I've also tried the latest version of Solang and my conclusions are the same: right now, it's an immature/half-backed application, that can't compete with F-Spot. 3. I know that F-Spot is not perfect and that many users don't like it (while some others, like me, have learned to like it). Having read many critics on F-Spot, it seems that it's main problem is that it forces users to import pictures, instead of just scanning the directory set by the user. For the rest, F-Spot let the user browse it's pictures by tags, by date/years (timeline) and by folders (maybe this feature is not well known), so on the browsing front, it's not so different than Shotwell, wile it's more mature and complete for editing, etc. Now here's the question: Do Shotwell (or Solang for that mater) developers will be able to catch up on F-Spot features (or to even just implement the neccessary features to assure compatibility/continuity for F-Spot/Ubuntu regular users between now and the release of 10.10 Maverick (in 5 months!)? Wouldn't it be more productive to try to improve F-Spot (which has a new maintainer http://mail.gnome.org/archives/f-spot-list/2010-May/msg00012.html), at least to implement some sort of directory scanning (i.e. the main directory set by the user), to circumvent the mandatory import problem? If you look at list of previous Shotwell releases, you can see that they are releasing new versions quite aggresivelly, and I believe that issues raised by you might be fixed in time for Maverick. Yorba, non profit software group which is behing Shotwell (and some other projects), employs few developers (which seems to be quite experienced people [3]) to work on it full time. Hence their ability to release so often. That was my 2 cents! Thanks. (sorry for my previous HTML message) -- Marco Laverdière -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss [1] http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1623 [2] http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1871 [3] http://yorba.org/about/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Why was Shotwell chosen over Solang? It seems the only motivation for shotwell is to try Vala. Solang seems to already be in line with what we need and want. Is there a link to where this decision was made so we can see the discussion rather than just an announcement? Some people think that neither solang or shotwell will be ready in time for maverick, and as much as i'd love to see F-spot replaced sooner, i wouldn't want to upset users like what happened with empathy (although i'm sure it wouldn't be close to that bad). Perhaps this should be held off until Maverick +1? Also, there were specific reasons as to why Shotwell isn't ready, but for Solang it was just, yeah this isn't ready either. What specifically would you like to see in Solang for it to be considered ready? On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 09:42, Laco Gubík lacogu...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, According this article [1], Shotwell is replacing F-spot in Maverick. Article says that this was agreed at UDS. Kind Regards Laco [1] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/see-ya-f-spot-shotwell-comes-to-ubuntu.html On 15 May 2010 10:07, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: If i remember correctly, F-Spot had to undergo some big changes to meet the needs drawn up for Lucid, but i'm still not happy with it, and think it would make more sense to adopt a photo manager that is already in line with our needs. F-spots interface is so much nicer now, but i still get complaints of it being slow and the fact that it requires you to import all of your photos into one folder is...beyond words. I've converted many newbies to Ubuntu and F-spot has consistently been a major sore-spot. I always listen before giving my opinions on software with my new converts, and i never have to say anything about F-spot. If they don't complain to me on their own, i'll ask plainly what they think of it, and i remember the last answer i got was a prompt and strangely passionate ugh, i hate it. All i do is direct them to the alternatives to see which they like most (solang, gThumb, or Shotwell). Now i'm not saying F-spot isn't a decent application. F-spot is solid, but we can do a lot better. Solang is an unfinished product, but looks to be very promising (though i hate to throw around that word). Solang seems to be doing things right, much like PiTiVi and Telepathy, but hopefully without any lack of features. Check this out from their FAQ (http://live.gnome.org/Solang/FAQ): Why write yet another photo manager? F-Spot, GThumb, J-Brout, Shotwell, etc. rock. In our opinion none of them integrate well with the desktop. They need you to explicitly import photos from a directory and any meta-data that you add (mainly tags) get inserted into their private database. We do not do that anymore. We use Tracker (http://tracker-project.org/) for these purposes. It allows us to automatically detect all the photos on your computer and any meta-data that is added gets inserted into Tracker. So if you tag your photos in Solang, you can use those tags from any other application on the desktop (eg., Nautilus), and vice versa. If Solang can mature in time, it might be worth making default in Maverick or Maverick +1. The newest version (old one wasn't stable enough) isn't packaged for debian yet, but hopefully that won't take too long. Bug report for anyone interested: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579606 -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo Every (in)decision matters. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo Every (in)decision matters. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Also, there were specific reasons as to why Shotwell isn't ready, but for Solang it was just, yeah this isn't ready either. What specifically would you like to see in Solang for it to be considered ready? For me, wheher it is Solang (hypothetically) or Shotwell (as announced), a decent replacement for F-Spot should provide the following: - continuity for the regular Ubuntu/F-Spot user, i.e. ability to import F-Spot tags easily, whether from F-Spot database or from pictures XMP embedded metadata (ideally, F-Spot tag hierarchy should also be preserved, i.e. for people, place, event. etc.); -beign able to embed tags in file, preferably in XMP or otherwise, in IPTC; - same (or almost) set of basic editing functions than F-Spot; - same level of integration with other graphics/imaging Ubuntu/Gnome apps, like with Gimp and Eye of GNOME (F-Spot allows the user to switch nicely to Gimp for advanced editing; EOG allows the user to open the viewed picture with F-Spot, etc.). In other words, let's avoid a regression here... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
2010/5/15 Marco Laverdière marco.laverdi...@gmail.com: Also, there were specific reasons as to why Shotwell isn't ready, but for Solang it was just, yeah this isn't ready either. What specifically would you like to see in Solang for it to be considered ready? For me, wheher it is Solang (hypothetically) or Shotwell (as announced), a decent replacement for F-Spot should provide the following: - continuity for the regular Ubuntu/F-Spot user, i.e. ability to import F-Spot tags easily, whether from F-Spot database or from pictures XMP embedded metadata (ideally, F-Spot tag hierarchy should also be preserved, i.e. for people, place, event. etc.); This would be ideal, but i don't see this happning in time for Maverick. If people see this as a requirement it might be better to hold off until Maverick +1 -beign able to embed tags in file, preferably in XMP or otherwise, in IPTC; I believe this is possible, but someone should verify - same (or almost) set of basic editing functions than F-Spot; F-Spot needed editing capabilities added if i remember correctly, while this has been part of the solang vision from the beginning. - same level of integration with other graphics/imaging Ubuntu/Gnome apps, like with Gimp and Eye of GNOME (F-Spot allows the user to switch nicely to Gimp for advanced editing; EOG allows the user to open the viewed picture with F-Spot, etc.). For starters, Solang uses Tracker. From amano on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-desktop-application-selection Solang is a C++ photo editor that does't use a complicated Database for importing and exporting and should be more intuitive for new users. I might try to create a discspace vs. RAM usage vs. feature vs. usability overview by the weekend. I hate the tendency of F-Spot to duplicate pictures on your harddisk (original location, ~/Photo folder and inside the database as well). If there are thousands of pictures to be imported, you might easily run out of disk space. And database corruptions/confusions are not impossible as well. For now I can offer this video review of the Vala based Shotwell: http://linuxfilesystem.com/uncategorized/shotwell-photo-manager-for-gnome-linux-mint-8. It is database driven and doesn't recognize if you added new files to one of your photo folders (same for F-Spot). Thus new photos have to imported manually which can be tiresome. The C++ based Solang uses Tracker 0.8 to check the photo folders and SPARQL is used to gain access to the meta information about the photos. This approach looks perfectly sane but with its current version 0.4.1 it lacks the option to crop and resize files (http://git.gnome.org/browse/solang/tree/TODO?id=SOLANG_0_4_1) which is rather a must have since the removal of the GIMP (given that the simple-image-management blueprint doesn't bring to life a 'simple scan' for image editing). On the other hand it is developed at a rapid pace and those options might be included by the maverick feature freeze. To get a sensible decision in favor of Solang the authors should be contaced first. Shotwell on the other hand is not too different from F-Spot but is developed faster and performs better than the current default. In other words, let's avoid a regression here... Agreed. I say we should hold off the change until Maverick +1 and plan on working to make Solang a good fit. -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo Every (in)decision matters. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Let's hope that with the proposed removal of F-Spot and Solang as it's replacement, we'll see The GIMP reinstated. The first thing I did upon a fresh install of Lucid was apt-get remove fspot and apt-get install gimp. The decision to see The GIMP's removal by default is purely insane if you ask me. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
