Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
On 7/31/07, Kevin Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 11:14 +0200, Wouter Stomp wrote: > > On 7/30/07, Kevin Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Actually, what would be ideal in the corporate or business environments > > > would be a very minimal install with all updates coming from a central > > > repository (i.e. not from the CD). Something similar to the old Debian > > > or RedHat FTP based install. > > > > > > > A netboot cd image already exists: > > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ > > > > Wouter. > > I have done at least 30 installs for different network setups in the > past few months, and did not know that... > > Maybe that information should be a little easier to find on the Ubuntu > website. Not only would that information have helped me on several > occasions, but I think it would have prevented the OPs original post. > He was just looking for a way of installing from a single media. A net > install could offer a easy option. But other than you posting in a > newsgroup for developers, how would the average corporate network admin > know this? > > I cannot find a link from the main ubuntu website, but it is mentioned here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation Wouter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 11:14 +0200, Wouter Stomp wrote: > On 7/30/07, Kevin Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Actually, what would be ideal in the corporate or business environments > > would be a very minimal install with all updates coming from a central > > repository (i.e. not from the CD). Something similar to the old Debian > > or RedHat FTP based install. > > > > A netboot cd image already exists: > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ > > Wouter. I have done at least 30 installs for different network setups in the past few months, and did not know that... Maybe that information should be a little easier to find on the Ubuntu website. Not only would that information have helped me on several occasions, but I think it would have prevented the OPs original post. He was just looking for a way of installing from a single media. A net install could offer a easy option. But other than you posting in a newsgroup for developers, how would the average corporate network admin know this? -- Kevin Fries Senior Linux Engineer Computer and Communications Technologies, Inc. a division of Japan Communications, Inc. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
On 7/30/07, Kevin Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, what would be ideal in the corporate or business environments > would be a very minimal install with all updates coming from a central > repository (i.e. not from the CD). Something similar to the old Debian > or RedHat FTP based install. > A netboot cd image already exists: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ Wouter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 04:17:53PM +0100, Eoin Rogers wrote: > Maybe this could be done by compressing the data on the disc and including > something to auto-decompress it on the fly, like what happens with Knoppix. > Or is so much extra software required that even this is impossible? We already do this. Last I checked the unpacked LiveCD filesystem were a couple of gigabytes and it's squashed onto a 700MB CD. -- Soren Hansen Ubuntu Server Team http://www.ubuntu.com/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
Maybe this could be done by compressing the data on the disc and including something to auto-decompress it on the fly, like what happens with Knoppix. Or is so much extra software required that even this is impossible? However, even if it could be done I'm sure it's a good idea. What about a computer illiterate trying to install it, and not knowing what a server is? Coming across a menu option like that during the install would completely stump them. Eoin On 28/07/07, Bryan Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yea, server isn't just a subset of desktop, as it installs minimal and a > LAMP setup, so it would significantly bump up the size. We're pushing > close to 700mb now. Plus most users would have no use in this. It would > only be convenient enough for the people who could handle a server and > downloading a new ISO... plus a liveCD for a server install would just be > silly =D > > On 7/28/07, Christofer C. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm curious why there are 2 CDs, one for Server and one for Desktop. > > Is it not possible to have a check box at installation time that says: > > > > * I would like to install an Ubuntu Desktop [ ] > > * I would like to install an Ubuntu Server [ ] > > > > Just idly curious. ;-) > > > > -- > > Chris > > > > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, right > > or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally > > treasonable to the American public," said President Theodore > > Roosevelt. > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Bryan > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 18:34 -0400, Bryan Haskins wrote: > Yea, server isn't just a subset of desktop, as it installs minimal and > a LAMP setup, so it would significantly bump up the size. We're > pushing close to 700mb now. Plus most users would have no use in > this. It would only be convenient enough for the people who could > handle a server and downloading a new ISO... plus a liveCD for a > server install would just be silly =D In the single case you are correct. But in CORPORATE you could not be more wrong! A single CD would actually be preferable. Actually, what would be ideal in the corporate or business environments would be a very minimal install with all updates coming from a central repository (i.e. not from the CD). Something similar to the old Debian or RedHat FTP based install. I think what would serve the OPs original request, and could be a great asset to businesses large and small would be a setup such as this: You first install a server on your network. Add another option to the install along side the DNS and LAMP options for Domain Master. The domain master would install LDAP as the central user store; GOsa for user management; apt-cacher for package management; ssh server, and create an install user w/ssh key authentication; and a program to create a basic USB key used to install clients. Then use that key (complete with the server's ssh keys) to initiate an install off the server. Or, as an alternative, have the CD ask on boot if this is a server or client install (though I like the key idea much better). Call this distro the Corporate Edition. One media to keep up to date! Also, it could be further extended with the use of kickstart to create multiple install types (Install program contacts server via ssh; home directory of install user has a list of kickstart files; install program offers list of predefined install types; option for a roll your own would be a configuration item). And best of all, it would be a great way of chipping away at bug #1. Try installing that easily in Windows even with SMS, lol. Just my $0.02 -- Kevin Fries Senior Linux Engineer Computer and Communications Technologies, Inc. a division of Japan Communications, Inc. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
Christofer C. Bell wrote: > I'm curious why there are 2 CDs, one for Server and one for Desktop. > Is it not possible to have a check box at installation time that says: > > * I would like to install an Ubuntu Desktop [ ] > * I would like to install an Ubuntu Server [ ] You might want to go for the DVD, which contains everything you want on one disc. Regards, Andreas -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
Yea, server isn't just a subset of desktop, as it installs minimal and a LAMP setup, so it would significantly bump up the size. We're pushing close to 700mb now. Plus most users would have no use in this. It would only be convenient enough for the people who could handle a server and downloading a new ISO... plus a liveCD for a server install would just be silly =D On 7/28/07, Christofer C. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm curious why there are 2 CDs, one for Server and one for Desktop. > Is it not possible to have a check box at installation time that says: > > * I would like to install an Ubuntu Desktop [ ] > * I would like to install an Ubuntu Server [ ] > > Just idly curious. ;-) > > -- > Chris > > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, right > or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally > treasonable to the American public," said President Theodore > Roosevelt. > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Cheers, Bryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Single CD for Server & Desktop?
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 04:33:38PM -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > I'm curious why there are 2 CDs, one for Server and one for Desktop. > Is it not possible to have a check box at installation time that says: > * I would like to install an Ubuntu Desktop [ ] > * I would like to install an Ubuntu Server [ ] If we could, we would. :) There would simply not be space enough on the CD for all the software. -- Soren Hansen Ubuntu Server Team http://www.ubuntu.com/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Single CD for Server & Desktop?
I'm curious why there are 2 CDs, one for Server and one for Desktop. Is it not possible to have a check box at installation time that says: * I would like to install an Ubuntu Desktop [ ] * I would like to install an Ubuntu Server [ ] Just idly curious. ;-) -- Chris "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public," said President Theodore Roosevelt. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
