Re: Upgrading Hardy Heron 8.04 Beta to Linux kernel .16 breaks it; it won't boot.
Olá Jim. On Wednesday 16 April 2008 13:53:28 Jim and Judi Harris wrote: Please also send a URL describing how to change your grub boot options to remove the splash so you can see the errors etc. better, as I see no such help anywhere, including in the GRUB Manual at snip Sincerely, Jim Harris when you see the boot splash press ctrl+alt+F1. Easiest way do that on a temporary base. -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://Ubuntu.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrading Hardy Heron 8.04 Beta to Linux kernel .16 breaks it; it won't boot.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Jim and Judi Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Todd and Henrik. No, Henrik, I don't have a TV card; there is nothing but a GeForce 2 video card added to the mobo. Todd, how can I run any of what you say if it won't boot? Do I do all that work on the older version? What about the startup/boot log that I presume is generated during the .16 boot? Please also send a URL describing how to change your grub boot options to remove the splash so you can see the errors etc. better, as I see no such help anywhere, including in the GRUB Manual at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html These should help: http://www.foogazi.com/2007/10/27/remove-the-ubuntu-splash-screen/ which I am starting to read ( 52 pages ! ) but guess what: A search of the complete text (HTML) for splash finds none, so I have come to a dead end trying to do what you say. Oh well, at least there is a Manual, and I guess I can send the GRUB team a request to fix the Manual to include how to remove the splash and any other explanation of controlling the splash, including how to prevent GRUB-update from undoing the changes a user (root?) makes (see refs below), and then, once I know what I want/need to change, should I use QGRUBEditor as in http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/how_to_edit_your_grub_settings_with_qgrubeditor or just nano or gEdit, or something else? Do you see why a person like me who wants to help improve Linux and defeat the Evil Empire gets discouraged, because it's too d__ed difficult to learn how to run tools and report problems (even to find out which forum/list to post to)? If indeed Requests and posts to this list should be more mature in nature and something that developers would or could act more directly on, then why is such guidance not on the page introducing the Ubuntu Lists at https://lists.ubuntu.com/ which I did read carefully before deciding this list is the only one I could use, as I saw ubuntu-users http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users - Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions and my Ubuntu is the free version so I am not under a user technical support agreement? Further, don't you agree there should be at least one list where users are encouraged to submit problem reports? I see no such recommendation. Well in ideal world yes there would be one place. The current state of the world is that the developers are mostly volunteers and busy solving problems that are more mature. They do their best to solve the most critical issues first. I know that we all think that they should stop what they are doing and solve our problem, but that would lead to chaos. Who has the most important problem? The process to get the most attention is to follow the proper procedures. Obviously there are lots of users now of Ubuntu products, all with different skills sets and backgrounds. So, it is difficult to know how much detail to give to a particular request. The most research the user can do the better. The different lists are setup so that people can expect help from those lists as appropriate. A lot of users come to this list and ask inappropriate questions (me included). People still try to do their best to answer them. I hope to not discourage you from asking questions and I appreciate your research ahead of time to figure out what you should do. I hope that the above instructions help you to find your problem in more detail, search for existing bugs, and then report yours if it is not reported already. Best of luck, Todd See also (others have splash-related problems): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=503913 and some have analyzed it some, and have some more info: http://osdir.com/ml/boot-loaders.grub.bugs/2005-07/msg00027.html If you wish to address any of the above points of course I encourage that, but either way, I will take all this to the users list as you recommend. Thanks again for any help. Jim On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Todd Deshane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jim, This is something that I would recommend report a bug on at: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu From your description it sounds like it is a kernel problem, so look for the appropriate linux package. Make sure you have the latest available and then you should provide some more information in the reports. For some good ideas see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures and in particular: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies Things to make sure you include are the output of dmesg, lspci, and the like. You should also change your grub boot options to remove the splash so you can see the errors etc. better. This type of problem is generally better for the users list or forums. Requests and posts to this list should be more mature in nature and something that developers would or could act more directly on. Follow up
Re: Upgrading Hardy Heron 8.04 Beta to Linux kernel .16 breaks it; it won't boot.
Am 16.04.2008 um 14:53 schrieb Jim and Judi Harris: ubuntu-users http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users - Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions and my Ubuntu is the free version so I am not under a user technical support agreement? Your Ubuntu is free as well as the technical support through mailing lists. If you want to give something back, continue reading these lists and answer some of the postings your self. Further, don't you agree there should be at least one list where users are encouraged to submit problem reports? If you have a reproduceable misbehaviour, one of the first steps should be to file a bug. Improvement requests go there as well. Mailing lists are more for discussion, less for documentation (of the bug). I see no such recommendation. Remember, Ubuntu is a project driven by thousands of people. While some of these people do nothing but to fill in descriptions, help and other texts, there are even more snippets missing. If you found such a spot of void, write down what belongs there and hand it over to the documentation team in form of a bug report. That said, I think Ubuntu is now adult enough to move the emphasis slightly more towards stability. A single showstopper distracts more people than a dozen new features. See also (others have splash-related problems): Great you found them. Add such links to your bug report, they will save developers to search them their selfs. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Upgrading Hardy Heron 8.04 Beta to Linux kernel .16 breaks it; it won't boot.
Hi. This is my first post to this kind of list. I'm not a Linux newbie but close to it. I've been using Ubuntu for the last few years (and tried a few other versions before that), but mostly as a Typical Windows User, where I focus mostly on using the applications, not the OS. Anyway, perhaps because of that orientation, I have chosen Ubuntu and love it, and have switched all my learning efforts to applications that Ubuntu supports, e.g. Mythbuntu, StreamRipper, DVD authoring, OpenOffice (tho I'm getting real disappointed in Writer compared to M$ Word), lots more. So here's my problem report: I burned a verified ISO of Hardy Beta a couple weeks ago, and it installed flawlessly (after CD Check OK) on a new hard drive in a 5-year-old box I own, and I was using it a little with no problems on and off for a couple weeks, then last weekend it told me it had a bunch of updates (about 150 MB or 150 packages; I'm not sure) and that went flawlwssly too, and I did some more stuff and shut down normally. Now, when I power on, it appears to boot OK up to where the little orange thingie stops shuttling back and forth, and becomes a normal progress bar, then it goes about 3 jumps till it's about 15% done and then just sits there forever. So I power off and on, then choose the previous version from the GRUB menu (I think it's kernel .12 to boot OK, rather than the .16 that fails). I will be happy to send some startup logs or sys info or whatever would help, but I don't know how to get them. I can run Terminal and browse the Filesystem and Locate and install new tools via the Package Manager. So if you want me to run some command-line utility, maybe with sudo, please tell me exactly what to type and I will pipe the output to a file and send it to you or whatever will help. In general, I would like to learn what troubleshooting/diagnostic tools I should use in a situation like this, so if you want to send me some URLs to those I will learn some more. Sincerely, Jim Harris -- When sitting down in front of a computer to do something useful, never say, or even think, I will just do this quickly. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrading Hardy Heron 8.04 Beta to Linux kernel .16 breaks it; it won't boot.
Hi Jim, This is something that I would recommend report a bug on at: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu From your description it sounds like it is a kernel problem, so look for the appropriate linux package. Make sure you have the latest available and then you should provide some more information in the reports. For some good ideas see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures and in particular: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies Things to make sure you include are the output of dmesg, lspci, and the like. You should also change your grub boot options to remove the splash so you can see the errors etc. better. This type of problem is generally better for the users list or forums. Requests and posts to this list should be more mature in nature and something that developers would or could act more directly on. Follow up questions would be better addressed by those lists as well (until the point at which it is a confirmed bug and there is a clear fix and something that should get developers attention, use your discretion on that one) Best Regards, Todd On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Jim and Judi Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. This is my first post to this kind of list. I'm not a Linux newbie but close to it. I've been using Ubuntu for the last few years (and tried a few other versions before that), but mostly as a Typical Windows User, where I focus mostly on using the applications, not the OS. Anyway, perhaps because of that orientation, I have chosen Ubuntu and love it, and have switched all my learning efforts to applications that Ubuntu supports, e.g. Mythbuntu, StreamRipper, DVD authoring, OpenOffice (tho I'm getting real disappointed in Writer compared to M$ Word), lots more. So here's my problem report: I burned a verified ISO of Hardy Beta a couple weeks ago, and it installed flawlessly (after CD Check OK) on a new hard drive in a 5-year-old box I own, and I was using it a little with no problems on and off for a couple weeks, then last weekend it told me it had a bunch of updates (about 150 MB or 150 packages; I'm not sure) and that went flawlwssly too, and I did some more stuff and shut down normally. Now, when I power on, it appears to boot OK up to where the little orange thingie stops shuttling back and forth, and becomes a normal progress bar, then it goes about 3 jumps till it's about 15% done and then just sits there forever. So I power off and on, then choose the previous version from the GRUB menu (I think it's kernel .12 to boot OK, rather than the .16 that fails). I will be happy to send some startup logs or sys info or whatever would help, but I don't know how to get them. I can run Terminal and browse the Filesystem and Locate and install new tools via the Package Manager. So if you want me to run some command-line utility, maybe with sudo, please tell me exactly what to type and I will pipe the output to a file and send it to you or whatever will help. In general, I would like to learn what troubleshooting/diagnostic tools I should use in a situation like this, so if you want to send me some URLs to those I will learn some more. Sincerely, Jim Harris -- When sitting down in front of a computer to do something useful, never say, or even think, I will just do this quickly. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrading Hardy Heron 8.04 Beta to Linux kernel .16 breaks it; it won't boot.
Hey Jim, I believe that the error you are experiencing is a side effect of a fix that was comitted to workaround an issue the ALSA modules had. This fix was reverted soon thereafter. Have you attempted to boot under linux -12 kernel? try: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade If that does not work for you then you might want to file a bug at http://launchpad.net Regards, - Juan C. Villa Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Georgia Institute of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] (404)441-9653 _ From: Jim and Judi Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:01:20 -0600 Subject: Upgrading Hardy Heron 8.04 Beta to Linux kernel .16 breaks it; it won't boot. Hi. This is my first post to this kind of list. I'm not a Linux newbie but close to it. I've been using Ubuntu for the last few years (and tried a few other versions before that), but mostly as a Typical Windows User, where I focus mostly on using the applications, not the OS. Anyway, perhaps because of that orientation, I have chosen Ubuntu and love it, and have switched all my learning efforts to applications that Ubuntu supports, e.g. Mythbuntu, StreamRipper, DVD authoring, OpenOffice (tho I'm getting real disappointed in Writer compared to M$ Word), lots more. So here's my problem report: I burned a verified ISO of Hardy Beta a couple weeks ago, and it installed flawlessly (after CD Check OK) on a new hard drive in a 5-year-old box I own, and I was using it a little with no problems on and off for a couple weeks, then last weekend it told me it had a bunch of updates (about 150 MB or 150 packages; I'm not sure) and that went flawlwssly too, and I did some more stuff and shut down normally. Now, when I power on, it appears to boot OK up to where the little orange thingie stops shuttling back and forth, and becomes a normal progress bar, then it goes about 3 jumps till it's about 15% done and then just sits there forever. So I power off and on, then choose the previous version from the GRUB menu (I think it's kernel .12 to boot OK, rather than the .16 that fails). I will be happy to send some startup logs or sys info or whatever would help, but I don't know how to get them. I can run Terminal and browse the Filesystem and Locate and install new tools via the Package Manager. So if you want me to run some command-line utility, maybe with sudo, please tell me exactly what to type and I will pipe the output to a file and send it to you or whatever will help. In general, I would like to learn what troubleshooting/diagnostic tools I should use in a situation like this, so if you want to send me some URLs to those I will learn some more. Sincerely, Jim Harris -- When sitting down in front of a computer to do something useful, never say, or even think, I will just do this quickly.-- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
