Re: Testing/QA Communications and Ubuntu GNOME General Mailing List

[Matthew Butler]

I will add that in addition to the secondary mailing list setup just
for QA, any subscriber can modify their list settings to only receive
a Digest of the email lists.

Simple access the settings from:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/ubuntu-gnome

At the bottom where it indicates to enter your email address to
unsubscribe or edit options. Once you provide your e-mail address (and
password if set) you can ensure 'Set Digest Mode' is set to 'On'. Then
submit your changes.

Matt

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Starting from the next cycle (14.04), we are going to use this email:
>>
>> ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net
>>
>> However, I'd recommend to start from now :)
>>
>> You need to be a member of: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa
>> So that, you can subscribe to that mailing list.
>>
>> Ubuntu GNOME QA is a Sub-Team of Ubuntu GNOME which has only and only
>> purpose: QA and Testing.
>>
>> For all our QA/Testing Communications (Emails) and CC the general mailing
>> list when there is something important/urgent.
>>
>> Some users are NOT interested about testing and they have subscribed to
>> the mailing list for other kind of information.
>>
>> The General Mailing List is much better to be used for Announcement,
>> Important Updates, Support, and similar topics.
>>
>> Before, Ubuntu GNOME had very few testers and no Team Leader for QA. Now,
>> Ubuntu GNOME does have an active Team of Testers :) therefore, we need to
>> keep the QA and Testing Communications on its area.
>>
>> Ubuntu and Lubuntu both have separate team and list for QA and Testing.
>> Not sure about others but Xubuntu have also two, one for Development and
>> other is for general support.
>>
>> So, PLEASE, those who are subscribing to the Main Mailing List:
>> buntu-gn...@lists.ubuntu.com
>>
>> And they are interested about Testing and would like to actually help us,
>> please do join:
>> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> P.S.
>> Ubuntu GNOME QA Sub-Team now have 10 Active Testers and we haven't yet
>> started the real fun. I wonder how many we will have after  few months ;)
>>
>> --
>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>> Best Regards,
>> amjjawad
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>> My Projects
>
>
>
> I got a PM from one of the users who showed a great interest to help:
>
> "Hello, Ali! I have unsubscribed the mailing list for now, because I was
> receiving 30 mails per day and I could not find the important mails I need.
> And all of these 30 mails are for testing and I really don't need them now,
> because I have a lot of work and I can't help with testing, you know that.
> But I want to translate, so this is my job and I will do it."
>
> That is 'exactly' why I asked you to PLEASE keep the general list for
> everything except testing :)
>
> PLEASE, send your testing feedback/Questions to the QA Team.
>
> I don't want to lose more interested people who wanted to help because of
> testing. Let's do everything correctly, please!
> I am having hard time to find people to join. I don't want to lose anyone.
>
> Thank you!
>
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Re: Testing/QA Communications and Ubuntu GNOME General Mailing List

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi,



On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Starting from the next cycle (14.04), we are going to use this email:
>
> ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net
>
> However, I'd recommend to start from now :)
>
> You need to be a member of: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa
> So that, you can subscribe to that mailing list.
>
> Ubuntu GNOME QA is a Sub-Team of Ubuntu GNOME which has only and only
> purpose: QA and Testing.
>
> For all our QA/Testing Communications (Emails) and CC the general mailing
> list when there is something important/urgent.
>
> Some users are NOT interested about testing and they have subscribed to
> the mailing list for other kind of information.
>
> The General Mailing List is much better to be used for Announcement,
> Important Updates, Support, and similar topics.
>
> Before, Ubuntu GNOME had very few testers and no Team Leader for QA. Now,
> Ubuntu GNOME does have an active Team of Testers :) therefore, we need to
> keep the QA and Testing Communications on its area.
>
> Ubuntu and Lubuntu both have separate team and list for QA and Testing.
> Not sure about others but Xubuntu have also two, one for Development and
> other is for general support.
>
> So, PLEASE, those who are subscribing to the Main Mailing List:
> buntu-gn...@lists.ubuntu.com
>
> And they are interested about Testing and would like to actually help us,
> please do join:
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa
>
> Thank you!
>
> P.S.
> Ubuntu GNOME QA Sub-Team now have 10 Active Testers and we haven't yet
> started the real fun. I wonder how many we will have after  few months ;)
>
> --
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement 
> My Projects 
>


I got a PM from one of the users who showed a great interest to help:

"Hello, Ali! I have unsubscribed the mailing list for now, because I was
receiving 30 mails per day and I could not find the important mails I need.
And all of these 30 mails are for testing and I really don't need them now,
because I have a lot of work and I can't help with testing, you know that.
But I want to translate, so this is my job and I will do it."

That is 'exactly' why I asked you to PLEASE keep the general list for
everything except testing :)

PLEASE, send your testing feedback/Questions to the QA Team.

I don't want to lose more interested people who wanted to help because of
testing. Let's do everything correctly, please!
I am having hard time to find people to join. I don't want to lose anyone.

Thank you!

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Re: Time for LTS (was: Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?)

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Tim  wrote:

>
> On 03/10/13 17:10, Erick Brunzell wrote:
>
> On 10/02/2013 10:27 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I have to share it here
>> and read your opinion about this :)
>>
>> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html
>>
>>  Read the link carefully before replying :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>>   Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>> Best Regards,
>>  amjjawad 
>>  Areas of Involvement
>>  My Projects 
>>
>
>  If this decision is true and they will go for it, then I see NO valid
> reason why not have Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 as an LTS release?!
>
>  There will be no official Ubuntu GNOME LTS Release, we simply don't have
> the man power to commit to maintaining it. We will however make a best
> effort to provide support and updated packages where possible.
>

I've been there, I got the T-Shirt. Lubuntu Team has to go through the very
same long discussion 2 years ago with 12.04 Cycle and Julien said exactly
the same.
However, Lubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME are way too much different in almost
everything except the core system and repositories. Having that said, why
not take advantage that Ubuntu is planning if not already made their mind
to stick to GNOME 3.8 for their upcoming LTS Release (14.04)?

While many users of Ubuntu GNOME wants the latest, I am sure they won't
mind an LTS Release :)

Just a thought :)



>
>
>  I am NOT a developer but the packages that we will maintain shouldn't be
> much. That could be the bright/good side of Canonical Plan/Thought.
>
> Now, the downside of it:
>  A side of the name, what is the differences between Ubuntu 14.04 and
> Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 in this case? do we have to release 14.04 if Ubuntu
> 14.04 will use GNOME 3.8 which is the same what will be shipped with Ubuntu
> GNOME 13.10?
>
>  Its really not an issue for Ubuntu, the GNOME stack makes up a pretty
> minor part of the Ubuntu DE. From the Ubuntu GNOME side its going to have a
> much greater effect, in that it will really be just a 13.10.1 release.
> Without an updated GTK there is very little we can update to 3.10. So
> really it will just be getting the last few 3.8 components in (like
> gnome-control-center and webkit/ephipany). I don't suppose much else would
> be blocked so things like kernel, firefox, libreoffice and most other apps
> (just nothing GNOME specific) should see updates.
>

But again, if the majority of our community want an LTS release, and taking
advantage of Ubuntu-Team's decision, why not?

The point is to have stable release and that is a trade-off with the
'latest' packages :)



>
> Anyway there will be a 14.04 release, it probably won't be particularly
> exciting. It should be rock solid though.
>

If our attempts to insist about having LTS release but of course, it is up
to the developers after all to say their words so if Ubuntu GNOME 14.04
won't be an LTS, what shall we use? GNOME 3.10? or stick to 3.8?

If Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 will not be an LTS + will use GNOME 3.8 by default
then, I am not quite sure how our users will like that?!

Thanks!

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Re: Time for LTS (was: Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?)

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Joseph Godino  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I think that Ubuntu integrates GNOME into Unity. Over the summer I was
> testing Ubuntu 13.04 with GNOME classic and I noticed some minor
> differences between a pure GNOME and GNOME integrated with Unity. For
> example, to close an application window in GNOME the x is on the right
> side of the window. In GNOME integrated with Unity the x is on the left
> side of the screen. There are other minor differenced too. Another thing
> I noticed is that Ubuntu ships with Thunderbird instead of Evolution and
> Thunderbird was integrated into the GNOME classic application bar. So
> for complete GNOME experience use Ubuntu GNOME.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joe
>
>
Sebastien Bacher has a bit of a different opinion :)

To quote him:
"(Unity and GNOME are pretty much different experience nowadays)"

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2013-October/004331.html

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Re: Time for LTS (was: Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?)

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Erick Brunzell  wrote:

>  On 10/02/2013 10:27 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I have to share it here
>> and read your opinion about this :)
>>
>> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html
>>
>>  Read the link carefully before replying :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>>   Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>> Best Regards,
>>  amjjawad 
>>  Areas of Involvement
>>  My Projects 
>>
>
>  If this decision is true and they will go for it, then I see NO valid
> reason why not have Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 as an LTS release?!
>
>  I am NOT a developer but the packages that we will maintain shouldn't be
> much. That could be the bright/good side of Canonical Plan/Thought.
>
> Now, the downside of it:
>  A side of the name, what is the differences between Ubuntu 14.04 and
> Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 in this case? do we have to release 14.04 if Ubuntu
> 14.04 will use GNOME 3.8 which is the same what will be shipped with Ubuntu
> GNOME 13.10?
>
>  What do you think?
>
>
>   Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
>  amjjawad 
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>  My Projects 
>
>
>
> We'd need to release a 14.04 regardless because 13.10 is only supported
> for 9 months, so we'd have a three month gap with no security updates if we
> were to skip 14.04.
>
> Lance
>


Ah, I think I failed to explain myself better.

What I was trying to explain is:
Since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is about to stick to GNOME 3.8 so for us, maybe,
just maybe, it is a great chance to 'also' go LTS and get advantage of that
decision of Ubuntu Team which I think they are not planning but they have
already made up their minds.

Just a thought :)

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Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Joseph Godino  wrote:

> Hello All,
>

Hi :)


>
> In terms of a LTS release it would make sense to stick with GNOME 3.8.


For Ubuntu and their own good, yes, it makes sense (maybe). For other
flavours like us and for users, it might not.


> I have been running Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 for about a week on my main
> computer and I feel that this release has all the stability requirements
> to be considered LTS.


Maintaining an LTS release is different story from how stable the system
itself is :)


> As for GNOME 3.10 couldn't it be backported to a
> ppa so the adventurous could give it a try.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joe
>

I am not a developer but this might give you some answers?
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2013-October/004323.html


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Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Erick Brunzell  wrote:

> On 10/02/2013 11:51 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I have to share it
> > here and read your opinion about this :)
> >
> >
> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html
> >
> > Read the link carefully before replying :)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
> As an official flavor of Ubuntu I'm not sure our opinion matters much,
> but Ubuntu 14.04 will be an LTS (probably with 5 years of support like
> 12.04) so stability is a key aspect.
>

Decision? we can't do much, I am afraid.
Opinion? most likely we can speak loudly and our voices will reach the
other side but actions might not be built on that.
Affect/Impact? from following up and reading the threads, I think this move
will give us hard time.


>
> This might be a good time for our devs to start thinking about whether
> Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 will be an LTS or not.
>
> Lance
>

+1


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Re: Change language

[udi pollak]

I'm having he same problem with Hebrew-English. Noticed that the default
shortcut is super key+space... Its a nice combination, but I'm afraid most
of the end users will leave this distro' just because of that -  they won't
be able to get used to the change. BTW, trying to change the combination in
the shortcut's settings didn't change the problem...

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2013/10/3 Efstathios Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) 

> On 17/09/2013 01:13 μμ, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Petros F > petrosfre...@gmail.com**>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm having a problem in change keyboard language input in saucy
>> salamander beta.
>> To be specific i'm using English (US) and greek but when i'm
>> changing language input (with alt+shift) it writes with the other
>> language (eg. if top right the language notification says gr, the
>> keyboard writes in latin, if it says en, the keyboard writes in greek)
>>
>> Can we solve this bug before the release of ubuntu saucy?
>>
>> Petros
>>
>>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> Attached is a screenshot where you can change the default shortcut
>>
>> And you are right, Keyboard Shortcut does nothing. I must click on the
>> top panel and select Arabic if I want to type in Arabic.
>>
>> I will try to have a deep look ... I am doing something else at the
>> moment!
>>
>>
>>
> Guys, not sure if there's this option in Ubuntu GNOME (I'm not close to my
> netbook to check it out).
>
> In GNOME 3.6, we had to change to ALT+Shift from gnome-tweak-tool> Typing>
> Modifiers only input sources (see picture)
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**20413076/opensuse/12.3/bugs/**shift_solution.jpg
>
> In GNOME 3.8, they put it to gnome settings>Keyboard>shortcuts>**Modifiers
> only inpout sources (see picture)
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.**com/u/20413076/gnome/alt-**shift.png
>
> Can you please check for this option? Maybe you can find it on
> gnome-tweak-tool.
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Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Manuel Cuadra  wrote:

> I'm a newbe in terms of technical reference of gnome, but for what I
> understand is that Gnome needs GTK to function, and the main ubuntu
> packages don't want to update GTK to make Gnome 3.10 compatible
> because of the deprecated functions that comes with the update, thus
> breaking functionality to Ubuntu Desktop... is that correct?
>

I am not a developer but a 3 years active contributor who has started to
contribute to Ubuntu 10.04 on Ubuntu Forums by creating HOWTOs and the day
Canonical Decided to come up with Unity, I have saved the headache and
migrated to Lubuntu and from day one, I started to contribute to Lubuntu
and the long journey started and since July, I have joined Ubuntu GNOME and
I'm so much happy here. So, from a contributor point of view and a user
point of view:

It is very much more than just having a stable release for Ubuntu, that is
14.04 LTS.

Not to cause you any headache but have a read at this:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2013-October/thread.html

While other flavours might not be affected much, we are the most affected
flavour!

The real deal that you may not find on the above link:
Because of Ubuntu Touch for Phones and Tablets, Ubuntu Team has been way
too busy for Saucy Cycle specifically and they have been using each and
every resources (manpower and others) for MIR, Touch, etc.

IMHO, they are too stressed and tired and can't really do something big for
14.04 so as a result, they want to use GNOME 3.8 for Ubuntu 14.04 while
3.10 stable is out and the work has started to work on GNOME 3.12.
Yes, Stability is and must come first for Long Term Support (
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS) Release (5 years) but how good/bad this
decision is or will be? what kind of impact at least to us? above all, what
Ubuntu Fans and Users will think about this? time will tell :)

I think they have already made their choice and this is just to explain
their move. I have read the threads. They are not planning, I think they
have made their choice already and time will tell :) but I could be wrong
and I understand YMMV :)

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Re: Time for LTS (was: Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?)

[Erick Brunzell]

On 10/03/2013 04:06 AM, Tim wrote:
>
> On 03/10/13 17:10, Erick Brunzell wrote:
>> On 10/02/2013 10:27 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)
>>> mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I have to share
>>> it here and read your opinion about this :)
>>>
>>> 
>>> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html
>>>
>>> Read the link carefully before replying :)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>> Best Regards,
>>> amjjawad 
>>> Areas of Involvement
>>> 
>>> My Projects 
>>>
>>>
>>> If this decision is true and they will go for it, then I see NO
>>> valid reason why not have Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 as an LTS release?!
> There will be no official Ubuntu GNOME LTS Release, we simply don't
> have the man power to commit to maintaining it. We will however make a
> best effort to provide support and updated packages where possible.

Rather sad to hear that, but I understand. However I'm going to try my
best to convince you otherwise for totally selfish reasons ;^)

We're committed to fixing bugs for 9 months even if we're not an LTS,
correct?

While nothing is etched in stone yet for 14.04 the first point release
is typically in August of the same year, so we'd see a bug-fix iso
(14.04.1) probably in August of 2014.

Beyond that things do indeed get just a bit dicey since Ubuntu started
the "hardware enablement stack" changes in Precise ... I'm not
sure if a "flavor" can opt-out of those builds or not???

I personally still use 12.04.1 images for reinstalls on the 4 dozen
boxes I maintain because the whole process gets convoluted:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack

OTOH since Canonical dropped interim release support to 9 months I have
shifted more of my testing efforts toward upgrade and "upgrade (image)"
testing to try and ensure that upgrades can go fairly smooth, but most
typical end users want a stable release to last much longer than 9 months!

Could we do a three year LTS like Xubuntu? I think Lubuntu plans on
doing that in 14.04.

Could we be an LTS if we opted out of the hardware enablement stack
nonsense?

How many packages would we personally have to maintain that are not
maintained in Ubuntu or another flavor? Evolution does pop right into my
head ;^)

Regardless I respect your decision, I'm not a dev, just a lowly tester
with a selfish agenda.

Lance



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Re: Change language

[Efstathios Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr)]

On 17/09/2013 01:13 μμ, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Petros F > wrote:


Hello,

I'm having a problem in change keyboard language input in saucy
salamander beta.
To be specific i'm using English (US) and greek but when i'm
changing language input (with alt+shift) it writes with the other
language (eg. if top right the language notification says gr, the
keyboard writes in latin, if it says en, the keyboard writes in greek)

Can we solve this bug before the release of ubuntu saucy?

Petros


 Hi,

Attached is a screenshot where you can change the default shortcut

And you are right, Keyboard Shortcut does nothing. I must click on the 
top panel and select Arabic if I want to type in Arabic.


I will try to have a deep look ... I am doing something else at the 
moment!





Guys, not sure if there's this option in Ubuntu GNOME (I'm not close to 
my netbook to check it out).


In GNOME 3.6, we had to change to ALT+Shift from gnome-tweak-tool> 
Typing> Modifiers only input sources (see picture)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20413076/opensuse/12.3/bugs/shift_solution.jpg

In GNOME 3.8, they put it to gnome settings>Keyboard>shortcuts>Modifiers 
only inpout sources (see picture)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20413076/gnome/alt-shift.png

Can you please check for this option? Maybe you can find it on 
gnome-tweak-tool.

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Re: Time for LTS (was: Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?)

[Tim]

  
  

On 03/10/13 17:10, Erick Brunzell
  wrote:


  
  On 10/02/2013 10:27 PM, Ali Linx
(amjjawad) wrote:
  
  
Hi,
  
  

  
  On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM,
Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
wrote:

  

  Hi,

  
  Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I
  have to share it here and read your opinion about
  this :)
  
  http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html
  

Read the link carefully before replying :)

Thanks!

  

  

  
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If this decision is true and they
  will go for it, then I see NO valid reason why not have
  Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 as an LTS release?!

  

  

There will be no official Ubuntu GNOME LTS Release, we simply don't
have the man power to commit to maintaining it. We will however make
a best effort to provide support and updated packages where
possible.

  

  
 

 I am NOT a developer but the
  packages that we will maintain shouldn't be much. That
  could be the bright/good side of Canonical Plan/Thought.
  
  Now, the downside of it:

A side of the name, what is the
  differences between Ubuntu 14.04 and Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 in
  this case? do we have to release 14.04 if Ubuntu 14.04
  will use GNOME 3.8 which is the same what will be shipped
  with Ubuntu GNOME 13.10?

  

  

Its really not an issue for Ubuntu, the GNOME stack makes up a
pretty minor part of the Ubuntu DE. From the Ubuntu GNOME side its
going to have a much greater effect, in that it will really be just
a 13.10.1 release. Without an updated GTK there is very little we
can update to 3.10. So really it will just be getting the last few
3.8 components in (like gnome-control-center and webkit/ephipany). I
don't suppose much else would be blocked so things like kernel,
firefox, libreoffice and most other apps (just nothing GNOME
specific) should see updates.

Anyway there will be a 14.04 release, it probably won't be
particularly exciting. It should be rock solid though. 

  

  
 

What do you think?
  


  

  
Remember: "All
of us are smarter than any one of us."
  Best Regards,

amjjawad
  
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My Projects
  

  




  
  
  We'd need to release a 14.04 regardless because 13.10 is only
  supported for 9 months, so we'd have a three month gap with no
  security updates if we were to skip 14.04.
  
  Lance


  


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Re: Gnome 3.10 apps in Next ppa

[Tim]

  
  

On 03/10/13 18:24, Romuald TISSERAND
  wrote:


  

  
Hi,

Just wanna know if there is some roadmap somewhere about the
integration of Gnome 3.10 apps in the Gnome3-Next ppa?

  
  I ask because I run the Gnome3-next ppa, and all core apps
  (Nautilus, Gedit, Contacts...) are still in 3.8. Just the
  shell is 3.10.

  

Right now most of the apps are blocked by the gnome-desktop
transition, that can't really happen until changes are made to
Unity. If 14.04 ends up sticking with 3.8, then we will need to deal
with that somehow, perhaps we just decide that gnome3-next PPA will
break Unity and probably gnome-flashback if installed. 

  

  

Thanks.
  
  
  
  


  


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Gnome 3.10 apps in Next ppa

[Romuald TISSERAND]

Hi,
Just wanna know if there is some roadmap somewhere about the integration of
Gnome 3.10 apps in the Gnome3-Next ppa?

I ask because I run the Gnome3-next ppa, and all core apps (Nautilus,
Gedit, Contacts...) are still in 3.8. Just the shell is 3.10.

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Re: Time for LTS (was: Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?)

[Erick Brunzell]

On 10/03/2013 02:21 AM, Joseph Godino wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I think that Ubuntu integrates GNOME into Unity. Over the summer I was
> testing Ubuntu 13.04 with GNOME classic and I noticed some minor
> differences between a pure GNOME and GNOME integrated with Unity. For
> example, to close an application window in GNOME the x is on the right
> side of the window. In GNOME integrated with Unity the x is on the left
> side of the screen. There are other minor differenced too. Another thing
> I noticed is that Ubuntu ships with Thunderbird instead of Evolution and
> Thunderbird was integrated into the GNOME classic application bar. So
> for complete GNOME experience use Ubuntu GNOME.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joe
>
>
>

Right, it's possible to get close to pure GNOME beginning with Ubuntu,
but why spend the time tweaking so much when Ubuntu GNOME provides
almost 100% of what I want out-of-box ;^)

I've also found mutter to run well on boxes where compiz fails
miserably. And, while "flashback" is a bit of a mess ATM in 13.10, I
have found that I can usually install Ubuntu GNOME on boxes that require
metacity and then use a tty on first boot to install the
'flashback-session'.

Lance

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Re: Time for LTS (was: Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?)

[Joseph Godino]

Hello,

I think that Ubuntu integrates GNOME into Unity. Over the summer I was
testing Ubuntu 13.04 with GNOME classic and I noticed some minor
differences between a pure GNOME and GNOME integrated with Unity. For
example, to close an application window in GNOME the x is on the right
side of the window. In GNOME integrated with Unity the x is on the left
side of the screen. There are other minor differenced too. Another thing
I noticed is that Ubuntu ships with Thunderbird instead of Evolution and
Thunderbird was integrated into the GNOME classic application bar. So
for complete GNOME experience use Ubuntu GNOME.

Cheers,

Joe


On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 02:10 -0500, Erick Brunzell wrote:
> On 10/02/2013 10:27 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)
> >  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I have to
> > share it here and read your opinion about this :)
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html
> > 
> > 
> > Read the link carefully before replying :)
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > -- 
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > amjjawad
> > 
> > Areas of Involvement
> > 
> > My Projects
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If this decision is true and they will go for it, then I see NO
> > valid reason why not have Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 as an LTS release?!
> > 
> > 
> > I am NOT a developer but the packages that we will maintain
> > shouldn't be much. That could be the bright/good side of Canonical
> > Plan/Thought.
> > 
> > Now, the downside of it:
> > 
> > A side of the name, what is the differences between Ubuntu 14.04 and
> > Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 in this case? do we have to release 14.04 if
> > Ubuntu 14.04 will use GNOME 3.8 which is the same what will be
> > shipped with Ubuntu GNOME 13.10?
> > 
> > 
> > What do you think?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > amjjawad
> > 
> > Areas of Involvement
> > 
> > My Projects
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> We'd need to release a 14.04 regardless because 13.10 is only
> supported for 9 months, so we'd have a three month gap with no
> security updates if we were to skip 14.04.
> 
> Lance



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Re: Time for LTS (was: Re: [Discussion/Opinion] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS To Stay On GTK/GNOME 3.8?)

[Erick Brunzell]

On 10/02/2013 10:27 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)
> mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Whether this is a shocking news or not, I guess I have to share it
> here and read your opinion about this :)
>
> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/ubuntu-1404-lts-to-stay-on-gtkgnome-38.html
>
> Read the link carefully before replying :)
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement
> 
> My Projects 
>
>
> If this decision is true and they will go for it, then I see NO valid
> reason why not have Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 as an LTS release?!
>
> I am NOT a developer but the packages that we will maintain shouldn't
> be much. That could be the bright/good side of Canonical Plan/Thought.
>
> Now, the downside of it:
> A side of the name, what is the differences between Ubuntu 14.04 and
> Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 in this case? do we have to release 14.04 if Ubuntu
> 14.04 will use GNOME 3.8 which is the same what will be shipped with
> Ubuntu GNOME 13.10?
>
> What do you think?
>
>
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement 
> My Projects 
>
>

We'd need to release a 14.04 regardless because 13.10 is only supported
for 9 months, so we'd have a three month gap with no security updates if
we were to skip 14.04.

Lance
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