Re: Call for a meeting (IRC/Hang/out)
Please, consider separately: - Interface (web and/or client app) - Protocol (open source and/or decentralized) IRC and XMPP are good candidates: corporation-independent, and flexible interface (not web compatibility required) El 23/07/15 a les 17:54, Bruce Pieterse ha escrit: On 23/07/2015 08:28, Ali/amjjawad wrote: Hi everyone, Team Leaders of Ubuntu GNOME sub-teams, active members and/or whoever wish to participate/contribute, may I have your attention please? It is planning time.My time is +10 I have just published: https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time-results/ I know this is late but better late than never. Feedback and collecting data/opinions is over now. We need to move forward or else, we shall end up, just like the previous cycle, without a proper planning. Yes, blame me for this if you wish but NO, I am not the only one who is part of this family. We have agreed to work as a TEAM and we have to honor this agreement and show our commitment to it. That said, putting the past a side, let's move on for a better future, shall we? I'm sending this to the entire list because I hate to hide anything. In fact, we have no secrets to hide on the first place. *Our performance, as a _team_, is REALLY BAD, IMHO. * Blame me again for this but also keep in mind, there are other drivers or team leaders. I just survived a massive storm in my real life. I was this close to lose everything and everyone I have in my life. Thank God, I survived. When I first joined this project back in 22-July-2013 (YES, 2 years!), I had a clear vision that I didn't keep for myself but shared it with the entire community: to build a team/community that can lead itself without the need to a leader. Sadly, we haven't yet reached that phase/level yet :( The good news is: you still have me around whenever you need me. Truth is: you need to understand that no one lives forever and this is a digital world, so changes might be much faster than real life. No, I am not leaving. I have just turned 2 years with this family and there is NO WAY to leave unless all of you ask me to leave. Yes, I have so much more to show. However, this whole community needs to understand: if we shall _*not*_ work as one team, things might get worse, much worse than anyone can imagine. I have mentioned that, 2 years ago, to Lubuntu Team. They never listened to me. After I left them, they started to understand what I was talking about. They took some months until they started to take 'some' of my advices. I do hate to see Ubuntu GNOME to face the same thing. Tomorrow is Friday, then Saturday and then Sunday. Is it possible to have a meeting during these days? if not, we need to get this done ASAP. If Plan A (meeting) will fail, my Plan B is to go for 15.10 without a proper and a clear plan. Why? because we're a team and this is a community project, not a one-man-project. My time is +10 GMT at the moment. Should I set the date and time for the meeting and then send it?! Should you insist not to have a meeting? then I can present a one-man-plan then you're free to vote good or bad but I DO HATE to do this. I am looking forward to work with a team ;) Thank you! -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME http://ubuntugnome.org/ Hi Ali, I am available Mon-Fri 4PM-8PM UTC, Sat-Sun 10AM-8PM UTC. I am +2 (Africa/Johannesburg). So far we have had suggestions for various platforms to discuss: * IRC * Hangouts * Jitsi and I would like propose Slack (https://slack.com/) as another platform. Thanks -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: Feedback Time
Woa, calm down dude. How many people do you personally know that are using Linux? How many people have you installed Linux in their computers? How many usability tests have you conducted? Let me be clear, experts all over the world use this kids friendly (as you call it) naming: Apple, Google, GNOME, etc. Our goal as a system is to provide as much core GNOME experience, and that means the naming they have decided. We are not entitled to refute their decision, a decision based on real UX tests. The next time try to be more polite, please. This is a place to give constructive feedback, not a place to be all ranty. Cheers, Alfredo On 26 Jun 2015 7:49 pm, Bart Schouten mailing-l...@bart.ahum.nl wrote: If you think that's what an average user does, you have a very skewed way of an average user. The whole idea of Linux is to provide a customization that goes beyond Oh, do I click on Internet Explorer? How many people using Gnome fall into this average user category you hold? I would say 2% and after they've used the system for a month they're no longer that. You have a very skewed vision or image of real life, unless you want to make Kiosk computers. Anyone who is capable of installing Ubuntu Gnome will know what Firefox is. It doesn't take long to get to know what e.g. Evolution is, since it sports an email icon. The initial period of getting to know these applications is very short compared to the actual time you ought to be using it. If someone cannot install Ubuntu Gnome, you can be expected that they have a person who did install it for them and who can introduce them to these applications. After all, getting to know firefox and knowing its icon is pretty essential to being tutored in using a computer. What if a person uses Gnome for three months and someone asks what browser do you use? I don't know, it's called Web Browser. That means the learning experience of using Firefox is essentially disrupted because its identity is hidden. It makes no sense at all to name something after a category, I repeat. And most people who have used the system for three months and would have experienced two different browsers, would definitely pick a favourite. They do care if they know, and using a computer is all about exploration. I repeat, sorry if I say so, but that average user does hardly exist. You could call it novice user and novices do not remain that. You should not frustrate a user in learning more. You are treating people like children but also children who are too stupid to learn. The only thing the system is good for is a Kiosk computer (and perhaps quite well). A novice user cannot install a computer. These are people that ask friends for help in Installing Windows. They are too scared to do otherwise. Seriously, you have a skewed image. This target audience does not exist. For example, most people who have used Windows for a few years (and every teen has (almost)) will know what Firefox and Photoshop are. They know Instagram, Facebook, they know many apps for smarthphones, they know Whatsapp, the only program that doesn't use a distinctive name is Messenger. (Facebook Messenger). These are brand names that get acquired very quickly. They are not obstacles. You are blowing up the initial learning period to be a very difficult thing, and it is not. Learning brand names is a natural process and everyone does it everywhere all the time. Your cable company is not called Cable Company because it is not distinctive and does not identify. How many people do you think have trouble learning whatever its name is or what companies there are and what they offer? None. But naming it File Manager and Web browser introduces many obstacles, while the opposite really has no drawbacks and only advantages. It's only in your mind. I'm not sure if you have asked any average user. Typically, anyone who is involved with Linux is way more advanced than that. Most people I meet do not know what Ubuntu is, a few do, the more student minded. These people would never install it, but may have someone who wants to install it for them. Then, that person would be responsible for introducing the person to the system. I would not recommend a different system to anyone without personally making sure they are introduced. So all that's left is Kiosk computers, where average or new or unknown users get to use a computer that is workable fast without having a work-in period. In that case it makes sense. Not for a personal install. Not really. Anyway, these are just my thoughts again. I believe I'm pretty straight in this and pretty clear and I believe you are alienated from regular people if you believe any otherwise. Just give it a try and see how good it works. Any regular user can never find the program in e.g. a process explorer or overview, pretty much an essential feature. So the feature is broken. You break all kind of things with this and what is the
