Re: I have realised the problem here
> > After talking with some GNOME users and developers I have realised there's > a common misunderstanding. > The goal of the GNOME Shell is to focus on one thing at a time, but > normally when I have multiple windows or tabs opened all are related with > the same task at hand. They are simply different stages of the same process. > 0 -> 0 -> 0 -> 0 > If I want for example produce multiple videos, having all those windows > open eases me finishing one video at a time, since I can quickly change > between stages. > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-Minute_Exchange_of_Die) > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_manufacturing) > So here's the problem: you are confusing finishing things one by one with > visiting the tools one by one. If you really care about focus you would > want to make changes between tools as easy as possible. > Thanks for your attention. Alberto, I'm not sure of the context surrounding your question, but what I can offer is this: Gnome is customizable to many workflow types. For instance, this extension -- https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/600/launch-new-instance/ -- lets you launch many windows of the same app. And this extension -- https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/38/windows-alt-tab/ -- modifies the behavior of alt-tab. At any rate, it seems the workflow you describe is quite suited to Gnome. You could dedicate an entire desktop to a video editing task, and when you alt-tab within that desktop, you'd only be shown the windows dedicated to that task. If you want to switch to another task, you'd switch to another desktop (and if you're an emacs user like me, maybe bind super-n to "move to the desktop below"). Although like I said, I don't know the context, so I might be missing the mark. Awjin On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella < es204904...@gmail.com> wrote: > After talking with some GNOME users and developers I have realised there's > a common misunderstanding. > > The goal of the GNOME Shell is to focus on one thing at a time, but > normally when I have multiple windows or tabs opened all are related with > the same task at hand. They are simply different stages of the same process. > > 0 -> 0 -> 0 -> 0 > > If I want for example produce multiple videos, having all those windows > open eases me finishing one video at a time, since I can quickly change > between stages. > > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-Minute_Exchange_of_Die) > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_manufacturing) > > So here's the problem: you are confusing finishing things one by one with > visiting the tools one by one. If you really care about focus you would > want to make changes between tools as easy as possible. > > Thanks for your attention. > > > > -- > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > > -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
I have realised the problem here
After talking with some GNOME users and developers I have realised there's a common misunderstanding. The goal of the GNOME Shell is to focus on one thing at a time, but normally when I have multiple windows or tabs opened all are related with the same task at hand. They are simply different stages of the same process. 0 -> 0 -> 0 -> 0 If I want for example produce multiple videos, having all those windows open eases me finishing one video at a time, since I can quickly change between stages. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-Minute_Exchange_of_Die) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_manufacturing) So here's the problem: you are confusing finishing things one by one with visiting the tools one by one. If you really care about focus you would want to make changes between tools as easy as possible. Thanks for your attention. -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
Re: How to upgrade in place from 16.10 unity to 17.04 gnome
Thanks Marius, This is short top-post because I won't respond inline to your valuable comments and suggestions at the moment. However, I didn't want you think I wasn't paying attention! I am grateful for your input. I often run virtual machines on that particular system, so I ought to be able to do a clean install under unity to get both full package lists, because I have now upgraded my desktop system in-place to 17.04. Unfortunately, that particular machine dropped dead suddenly at the weekend and it looks as if I need a new computer (it was 12 years old). Once I have that unplanned activity sorted out, I'll let you know how I get on with the desktop change. This laptop runs ubuntu studio 17.04, with lightdm and xfce4, so I couldn't easily use it to test (besides, I need to do some problem determination on why bcmwl-kernel-source has broken my laptop wifi!). Don't hold your breath, but I WILL reply to you properly once my technical life is back under control. Thanks again, Brian p.s. your suggestions are OK for me, but not for most of the ordinary users. It's a pity we can't come up with something safe and easy. On 27/04/17 22:45, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:17:26PM +1000, Brian Burch wrote: On 17/04/17 18:10, Pander wrote: To remove Unity, I simply use dpkg -P packagenames. When that list becomes long from many dependencies, I put the output of that through grep to get all the depending packages and cat those to a file. Edit the file (vim and a lot of Shift-j) and put dpkg -P at the beginning. I use the same trick for ouput of dpkg -l|grep -v ^ii Of course, check if those lists of package names are okay to purge before doing bulk purges. Some packages are tricky, see my post a while back on Unity dependencies. Thanks for your suggestion, Pander. I did something fairly similar to that in the past. If I decide to go ahead this time, then I will follow your plan because it seems simpler than what I did before. However, I was hoping to receive advice that would be attractive and useful to people who are not as confident as us with these low-level tools. Am I correct in thinking the "old method" of installing gnome-desktop alongside unity has become too complex to be worth trying? Have you tried it? I did that a long time ago and it worked for me. I haven't had the chance to try it lately. Installing the gnome metapackage and removing the unity metapackage ought to suffice, IMHO. You might need to hunt down some other packages that differ between Unity and GNOME (e.g. the bootsplash theme). If I weren't a lazy person, I'd install both in two virtual machines, then compare the lists of installed packages (e.g. dpkg -l) so I would know which ones to install and remove to turn one into the other. I tried "sudo dpkg --purge --dry-run unity" (-P is the same as --purge) on my xenial system "just for fun", but it bombed out with a "too many dependencies" error. However, it didn't list ANY of them! dpkg is too low-level for this; don't use it. apt purge exists these days, and it deals with dependencies correctly. (AFAIU the only reason to remove/purge Unit packages is in case they install some system-wide gsettings override files that change some GNOME settings defaults to Unity defaults. ) Perhaps I should just wait for the next ubuntu release and hope there will be a more straightforward conversion path? A full reinstall is always a good way to test your backup completeness ;) Marius Gedminas -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
