Re: [FAQ] Ubuntu GNOME & The Display Server

2013-12-23 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Erick Brunzell  wrote:

>  On 12/20/2013 08:50 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Steve Ovens wrote:
>
>>  Hi Ali,
>>
>
>  Hi :)
>
>
>>
>>  I believe in the FAQ there should be some more detail. I know both
>> Wayland and Mir are premature, but putting that in the FAQ without a
>> detailed description of each seems lacking to me.  My proposal would be to
>> either change the title to something like "But what if Ubuntu chooses a
>> different display manager?" as opposed to a "X vs Mir vs Wayland" which may
>> help to set and meet expectations better. If I am looking for X vs Wayland
>> vs Mir, then I am fairly technical and I would expect some sort of
>> comparison.
>>
>>  Just my thoughts
>>
>>
>   Anyone with Launchpad account can edit the Wiki Pages of Ubuntu GNOME.
> The 'one' and 'only' condition is to keep 'everyone' on the list
> updated/informed about that, that is all.
>
> Example: "Hey list, I am going to update this page " and once you are
> done: "Hi again, done, please see:  "
>
>  As simple as that :D
>
>  Currently, there are very few people working on the Wiki Area. We do
> need more and more.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/DocumentationTeam
>
>  Thank you!
>
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> Best Regards,
>  amjjawad 
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>
>
>  I generally try to avoid conversions like this but Ali should be
> applauded for his efforts. He's only using Tim's comments to clarify what
> will or will not happen in 14.04.
>

Your nice and kind words are highly appreciated and keep me motivated so
thank you for that :)


>
> ATM only those with a time machine know what 14.04 will bring to Ubuntu
> GNOME because we are dependent on the Ubuntu base ... that's just
> part of being an official flavor ;^)
>
> Our speculation regarding Mir, Xmir, and Wayland are just that ATM -
> speculation! Consider for a moment how long btrfs has been stalled. We
> can't just stop until btrfs is ready!
>
> What we do need to concentrate on is how we might possibly be able to
> support at least a 3 year LTS since Ubuntu changed to a nine month interim
> release cycle.
>
> Can we opt-out of the hardware enablement stack as Xubuntu did in Precise?
>
> Or would we even want to?
>
> How many packages would we have to maintain on our own?
>
> How many devs do we have that will commit to maintaining those packages?
>
> I could ask a gazillion questions :^)
>
> Trying to complicate things with "what ifs" is not at all helpful!
>

I couldn't agree 'more' with you :)



>
> Maybe read the current news at Phoronix???
>
> Lance
>

Not only there, it is on Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter too ;)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue348#Ubuntu_GNOME_Will_Still_Run_On_X.Org_For_A_While

I am sure this has been clear for everyone, not only within Ubuntu GNOME
Community but all the other communities as well :)

Thank you!

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Re: [FAQ] Ubuntu GNOME & The Display Server

2013-12-20 Thread Erick Brunzell 
On 12/20/2013 08:50 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Steve Ovens  > wrote:
>
> Hi Ali,
>
>
> Hi :)
>  
>
>
> I believe in the FAQ there should be some more detail. I know both
> Wayland and Mir are premature, but putting that in the FAQ without
> a detailed description of each seems lacking to me.  My proposal
> would be to either change the title to something like "But what if
> Ubuntu chooses a different display manager?" as opposed to a "X vs
> Mir vs Wayland" which may help to set and meet expectations
> better. If I am looking for X vs Wayland vs Mir, then I am fairly
> technical and I would expect some sort of comparison.
>
> Just my thoughts
>
>
>  Anyone with Launchpad account can edit the Wiki Pages of Ubuntu
> GNOME. The 'one' and 'only' condition is to keep 'everyone' on the
> list updated/informed about that, that is all.
>
> Example: "Hey list, I am going to update this page " and once you
> are done: "Hi again, done, please see:  "
>
> As simple as that :D
>
> Currently, there are very few people working on the Wiki Area. We do
> need more and more.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/DocumentationTeam
>
> Thank you!
>
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement 
> My Projects 
>
>
I generally try to avoid conversions like this but Ali should be
applauded for his efforts. He's only using Tim's comments to clarify
what will or will not happen in 14.04.

ATM only those with a time machine know what 14.04 will bring to Ubuntu
GNOME because we are dependent on the Ubuntu base ... that's
just part of being an official flavor ;^)

Our speculation regarding Mir, Xmir, and Wayland are just that ATM -
speculation! Consider for a moment how long btrfs has been stalled. We
can't just stop until btrfs is ready!

What we do need to concentrate on is how we might possibly be able to
support at least a 3 year LTS since Ubuntu changed to a nine month
interim release cycle.

Can we opt-out of the hardware enablement stack as Xubuntu did in Precise?

Or would we even want to?

How many packages would we have to maintain on our own?

How many devs do we have that will commit to maintaining those packages?

I could ask a gazillion questions :^)

Trying to complicate things with "what ifs" is not at all helpful!

Maybe read the current news at Phoronix???

Lance
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Re: [FAQ] Ubuntu GNOME & The Display Server

2013-12-20 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Steve Ovens  wrote:

> Hi Ali,
>

Hi :)


>
> I believe in the FAQ there should be some more detail. I know both Wayland
> and Mir are premature, but putting that in the FAQ without a detailed
> description of each seems lacking to me.  My proposal would be to either
> change the title to something like "But what if Ubuntu chooses a different
> display manager?" as opposed to a "X vs Mir vs Wayland" which may help to
> set and meet expectations better. If I am looking for X vs Wayland vs Mir,
> then I am fairly technical and I would expect some sort of comparison.
>
> Just my thoughts
>
>
 Anyone with Launchpad account can edit the Wiki Pages of Ubuntu GNOME. The
'one' and 'only' condition is to keep 'everyone' on the list
updated/informed about that, that is all.

Example: "Hey list, I am going to update this page " and once you are
done: "Hi again, done, please see:  "

As simple as that :D

Currently, there are very few people working on the Wiki Area. We do need
more and more.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/DocumentationTeam

Thank you!

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Re: [FAQ] Ubuntu GNOME & The Display Server

2013-12-20 Thread Manuel Cuadra 
Sorry, I´m just so exited about this changes!! hahaha, I would love for
Wayland to come soon...

Greetings!


2013/12/20 Ali Linx (amjjawad) 

> *(Q)* I am little worried about GNOME is taking a route that will be more
> compatible with Wayland display server, but Ubuntu will go for the MIR
> display server, how will this affect the next Ubuntu GNOME Releases?
> *(A)* The whole MIR vs Wayland thing, is entirely irrelevant for now.
> Ubuntu 14.04 is using X and it is not going to just disappear overnight!
> Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 will likely continue using X, even if Ubuntu switch to
> MIR. At some point in the distant future we will probably switch to
> Wayland, but right now its not even close to being ready.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/FAQ#X_vs_Wayland_vs_MIR
>
> http://ubuntugnome.org/documentation/faq/
>
> Thank you!
>
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Re: [FAQ] Ubuntu GNOME & The Display Server

2013-12-20 Thread Marc Thomas 
Isn't this divergent of technologies similar to that of Ubuntu GNOME using
GDM, and Stock Ubuntu implementing Lightdm? Would not the same apply to Mir
and Wayland?

I suppose Mir/Wayland is a much lower level/fundamental technology, and may
cause some incompatibilities with future applications if they are developed
for one but not the other. That being said, Application developers don't
generally develop for X, or Mir, or Wayland. They use tool kits, such as
GTK or QT, and those tool kits provide an abstraction layer that makes
their application compatible with X, Mir and Wayland.

I guess my thoughts are that the tool kits being developed need to be
updated to support all 3 technologies.


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Steve Ovens  wrote:

> Hi Ali,
>
> I believe in the FAQ there should be some more detail. I know both Wayland
> and Mir are premature, but putting that in the FAQ without a detailed
> description of each seems lacking to me.  My proposal would be to either
> change the title to something like "But what if Ubuntu chooses a different
> display manager?" as opposed to a "X vs Mir vs Wayland" which may help to
> set and meet expectations better. If I am looking for X vs Wayland vs Mir,
> then I am fairly technical and I would expect some sort of comparison.
>
> Just my thoughts
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, forgot to mention:
>>
>>
>>  On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <
>> amjja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> *(Q)* I am little worried about GNOME is taking a route that will be
>>> more compatible with Wayland display server, but Ubuntu will go for the MIR
>>> display server, how will this affect the next Ubuntu GNOME Releases?
>>> *(A)* The whole MIR vs Wayland thing, is entirely irrelevant for now.
>>> Ubuntu 14.04 is using X and it is not going to just disappear overnight!
>>> Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 will likely continue using X, even if Ubuntu switch to
>>> MIR. At some point in the distant future we will probably switch to
>>> Wayland, but right now its not even close to being ready.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/FAQ#X_vs_Wayland_vs_MIR
>>>
>>> http://ubuntugnome.org/documentation/faq/
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>
>> Has been posted as well on Facebook, Google+ and Twitter on our official
>> channels:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs
>>
>> Thank you :)
>>
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Re: [FAQ] Ubuntu GNOME & The Display Server

2013-12-20 Thread Steve Ovens 
Hi Ali,

I believe in the FAQ there should be some more detail. I know both Wayland
and Mir are premature, but putting that in the FAQ without a detailed
description of each seems lacking to me.  My proposal would be to either
change the title to something like "But what if Ubuntu chooses a different
display manager?" as opposed to a "X vs Mir vs Wayland" which may help to
set and meet expectations better. If I am looking for X vs Wayland vs Mir,
then I am fairly technical and I would expect some sort of comparison.

Just my thoughts


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

> Sorry, forgot to mention:
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> *(Q)* I am little worried about GNOME is taking a route that will be
>> more compatible with Wayland display server, but Ubuntu will go for the MIR
>> display server, how will this affect the next Ubuntu GNOME Releases?
>> *(A)* The whole MIR vs Wayland thing, is entirely irrelevant for now.
>> Ubuntu 14.04 is using X and it is not going to just disappear overnight!
>> Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 will likely continue using X, even if Ubuntu switch to
>> MIR. At some point in the distant future we will probably switch to
>> Wayland, but right now its not even close to being ready.
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/FAQ#X_vs_Wayland_vs_MIR
>>
>> http://ubuntugnome.org/documentation/faq/
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>
> Has been posted as well on Facebook, Google+ and Twitter on our official
> channels:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs
>
> Thank you :)
>
> --
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
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Re: [FAQ] Ubuntu GNOME & The Display Server

2013-12-20 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
Sorry, forgot to mention:


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

>
> *(Q)* I am little worried about GNOME is taking a route that will be more
> compatible with Wayland display server, but Ubuntu will go for the MIR
> display server, how will this affect the next Ubuntu GNOME Releases?
> *(A)* The whole MIR vs Wayland thing, is entirely irrelevant for now.
> Ubuntu 14.04 is using X and it is not going to just disappear overnight!
> Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 will likely continue using X, even if Ubuntu switch to
> MIR. At some point in the distant future we will probably switch to
> Wayland, but right now its not even close to being ready.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/FAQ#X_vs_Wayland_vs_MIR
>
> http://ubuntugnome.org/documentation/faq/
>
> Thank you!
>

Has been posted as well on Facebook, Google+ and Twitter on our official
channels:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs

Thank you :)

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