Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Parth]

On 9/30/07, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think we are unnessasarily streching the topic. Pratul you cab go
> ahead and set up the forums at the hosting you already have and just
> look how much response you get, if response is good forums can stay
> and grow, otherwise you know what you have to do.

++1

We have had enough discussions. Let whoever wants to host a forum of
Ubuntu-In and whoever wants to participate in it let them do. And
those who feel more comfortable with the Mailing List way of things
(like me) will continue to do so. I do not want another login (and
passwords to remember) and another thing to check daily :) but for the
best interest of the Ubuntu-In am shutting my mouth against the forums
idea as of now :)

Pratul,
Please carry on with the forum set-up. Good luck! :) But ensure the
forum has a sticky pointing to Ubuntu-In wiki and Ubuntu-In mailing
list, with information about the Ubuntu-In team. You can also put up a
small post on how to join mailing list, how to search through the
archives before asking a question, etc. Ask people to refer to our
archives and wiki as far as possible. Also give them links to
ubuntuforums.org.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] gnomebaker hangs?

[mehul]

On 9/30/07, Roshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have users faced similar problems on Ubuntu 7.04 with
> gnomebaker?

Is it just gnomebaker? Have you tried other alternatives?
If yes, do they work fine?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Roshan]

--- Onkar Shinde wrote:

> Apart from that I would really like to see existing
> wiki grow in
> content, http://ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Documentation

+1

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Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Ramnarayan . K]

interesting debate

nothing against forums really - they are useful - esp when in trouble and
google more often than not directs tech  / software related discussions to
some forum discussion.

That said the distinct advantage of mailing lists is information is
delivered to ones doorstep (literally like a daily news paper) one chooses
then whether to read the whole or sections and to flag relevant topics to
follow up.

Am part of a few forums - ubuntu, mozilla forum, linux for you, digit and
some more but i rarely go there - why because on my bandwidht (and
connection consistency) i just want my mails downloaded and thats it - and
then i can read at my leisure. Forums don't ( i think offer that peace of
mind ) one has to be on line and monitoring key areas. Sure not being on a
forum may result in not gaining valuable insights but thats the cost i pay
to have th flexibility to participate at my time and pace.

So ideally if forums can deliver to the doorstep - why not BUT the massive
content that is generated on various forums seems to preclude that - not to
mention the horrendous amount of traffic on the net.

Personally i will stick to mailing lists but am not averse to visiting and
subcribing to relevant forums (though in the latter my participation is very
nearly zilch)

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Re: [ubuntu-in] gnomebaker hangs?

[Roshan]

--- Mir Nazim wrote:

> Hello Roshan
> XCDRoast is very good and reliable(it has been for
> me). Otherwise
> there is also Nero for Linux and works a breeze on
> Gnome.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Vivek Khurana]

On 9/30/07, Onkar Shinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have nothing against forums in general. What I don't understand is
> why searching a information source hosted at a server (forums) is
> preferred over searching the contents of your inbox (mailing list).

 For a simple reason, not everyone is geeky enough. Not everyone keeps
all the mails in their mail boxes for ever (please do not suggest
gmail or any other unlimited storage space mailing list here)
Assuming anything or "not understanding " anything about customer
behaviour is dangerous.
 Yes, the fact is people do like to use forums over mailing lists. So,
having a forum makes sense. I would personally like a method to have
every email thread posted to forum and replies to same thread be
posted to mailing list.
 For those who say FOOS gives new way of doing things, please remeber
that even  FOSS has to provide/repluicate features of non-FOSS world.
We have to provide GUI based interface parellel to console simply
because users are more comfortable with GUI,even when geeks prefer
console.

 Ubuntu is a distro focusing on end users, so lets not aassume things.
For those having any doubts about usability of forum vs mailing list,
please go and talk to end users (non-techies, non-developers) and
please do not suggest them that mailing is better than forum or vice
versa, just ask what they prefer. Lets so this and see what end users
prefer. (I am not suggesting any online poll).

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Re: [ubuntu-in] punjabi unicode matra character

[Onkar Shinde]

On 9/30/07, nan budh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi
> i use ubuntu 6.06. the issue is that punjabi unicode characters (the matra
> characters) appear out of place on punjabi webpages on firefox, this is not
> the case when i view the same pages through galeon browser on ubuntu or IE
> on win XP. Could u tell me why is this so and how can i correct it?
> regards
> nanbudh

Can you provide the url of pages you are trying to access. Also if
possible post some screenshots of FF and Galeon showing the page
somewhere so that they can be compared with our experience.
www.picfu.com should help you in posting screenshots.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Onkar Shinde]

On 9/30/07, Lut4rp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hold on, I think we are not getting the point here... We need a forum to
> accompany the mailing lists, not to replace them! The forums will be an
> easier way to for people to get help, those who arent accustomed to lists.

Isn't GNU/Linux in general about getting accustomed to a new way of
life (or using your computer)? :-)

> - No, I am not new to FOSS, but i still prefer forums to mailing lists
> anyday.
> - The already existing linux forums pertain to linux in-general. We, on the
> other hand need Ubuntu-specific forums.

I think we need forums specific to 'use of Ubuntu in India'.

> - We have proof to the mutual co-existence of forums, mailing lists and the
> IRC channel in the International listing of LoCo teams.

I have nothing against forums in general. What I don't understand is
why searching a information source hosted at a server (forums) is
preferred over searching the contents of your inbox (mailing list).

Apart from that I would really like to see existing wiki grow in
content, http://ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Documentation

Just my Rs. 0.2 :-D


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Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Mir Nazim]

On 9/30/07, Lut4rp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hold on, I think we are not getting the point here... We need a forum to
> accompany the mailing lists, not to replace them! The forums will be an
> easier way to for people to get help, those who arent accustomed to lists.
>  And,
>
> - No, I am not new to FOSS, but i still prefer forums to mailing lists
> anyday.
> - The already existing linux forums pertain to linux in-general. We, on the
> other hand need Ubuntu-specific forums.
> - We have proof to the mutual co-existence of forums, mailing lists and the
> IRC channel in the International listing of LoCo teams.
>
> Any other points?
>
> -Pratul

I think we are unnessasarily streching the topic. Pratul you cab go
ahead and set up the forums at the hosting you already have and just
look how much response you get, if response is good forums can stay
and grow, otherwise you know what you have to do.


PS: Pratul, restrain from top posting.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Lut4rp]

Hold on, I think we are not getting the point here... We need a forum to
accompany the mailing lists, not to replace them! The forums will be an
easier way to for people to get help, those who arent accustomed to lists.
And,

- No, I am not new to FOSS, but i still prefer forums to mailing lists
anyday.
- The already existing linux forums pertain to linux in-general. We, on the
other hand need Ubuntu-specific forums.
- We have proof to the mutual co-existence of forums, mailing lists and the
IRC channel in the International listing of LoCo teams.

Any other points?

-Pratul


On 9/30/07, Shakthi Kannan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My thoughts below:
>
> - On 9/30/07, Lut4rp < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | 1. I wanted a forum because of the primary ease in accessing them.
> \--
>
> It depends.
>
> I can read e-mails from mailing lists when traveling, with mobile
> phones. Not everyone is sitting behind a desktop on a
> broadband/dial-up connection to read forums. Forums are intuitive, and
> more customer-oriented. Developers, in general, prefer mailing lists.
>
> -
> | our main goals in this community is to spread the use of FOSS like
> Ubuntu. I
> | suggest somehow replacing/modifying the lists with the forum.
> \--
>
> Each tool is useful in one way or another.
>
> You have to use the right tool for the right tasks, with the right
> people, at the right time ... (1)
>
> -
> | I dont think a
> | maiing list is that suitable for a country like India where people are
> still
> | new to FOSS.
> \--
>
> Are you new to FOSS? :)
>
> -
> | 2. The wiki is not a very good source of India-specific Ubuntu info. It
> does
> | need to be updated. The IRC channel is way too unfamiliar to people in
> | India.
> \--
>
> Need to learn to get used to the FOSS culture. Also see (1).
>
> -
> | answer them "Goto the wiki, Join the mailing list!". Every time, its the
> | same reply, "mailing list? forum nahi hai? XP ka vo forum hai na,
> | xx.com, vaisa?"
> \--
>
> There are many forums like linuxquestions.org, linuxforum.com where
> people also participate. Nobody said you shouldn't ask Ubuntu
> questions there :)
>
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before
>
> -
> |  6. Taking the ubuntuforums.org example, they arent India-specific, they
> are
> | monstrously huge,
> \--
>
> Welcome to the huge FOSS community.
>
> This mailing list is India specific, and does not have heavy traffic.
>
> Please don't top-post, and use plain text when writing e-mails, in future.
>
> SK
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Re: [ubuntu-in] gnomebaker hangs?

[Mir Nazim]

On 9/30/07, Onkar Shinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You can try brasero which is another cd burning program using GTK+.

brasero looks like just a wrapper around the Nautilus' CD burning
features. Plus no multi-session support. XCDRoast UI might look
primitive but its a full featured program.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] gnomebaker hangs?

[Onkar Shinde]

On 9/30/07, Roshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> List,
>
> Yesterday, a friend installed gnomebaker and tried
> writing data to a CD-RW disc. It starts, and stops at
> 50%. Screen freezes. He's no control at all. Though,
> I'm not sure he tried "Ctrl+Alt+Backspace", he had to
> restart his computer. He tried writing data back to
> disc again, but ended up with the same results.
> (Ubuntu 7.04)
>
> Since, gnomebaker is under a version, 0.x.x it
> probably still isn't best to use it.
>
> Have users faced similar problems on Ubuntu 7.04 with
> gnomebaker?
>
> Does it still have a lot of bugs?
>
> Is there an alternative to it for Ubuntu? (Other than
> K3b) - specific to GNOME ?
>
> Do the dependents of gnomebaker (if any) require updates?

I have never faced such problem with gnomebaker. gnomebaker uses
gstreamer for various conversions and should not need any updates. You
can try brasero which is another cd burning program using GTK+.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] gnomebaker hangs?

[Mir Nazim]

On 9/30/07, Roshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there an alternative to it for Ubuntu? (Other than
> K3b) - specific to GNOME ?

Hello Roshan
XCDRoast is very good and reliable(it has been for me). Otherwise
there is also Nero for Linux and works a breeze on Gnome.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

My thoughts below:

- On 9/30/07, Lut4rp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| 1. I wanted a forum because of the primary ease in accessing them.
\--

It depends.

I can read e-mails from mailing lists when traveling, with mobile
phones. Not everyone is sitting behind a desktop on a
broadband/dial-up connection to read forums. Forums are intuitive, and
more customer-oriented. Developers, in general, prefer mailing lists.

-
| our main goals in this community is to spread the use of FOSS like Ubuntu. I
| suggest somehow replacing/modifying the lists with the forum.
\--

Each tool is useful in one way or another.

You have to use the right tool for the right tasks, with the right
people, at the right time ... (1)

-
| I dont think a
| maiing list is that suitable for a country like India where people are still
| new to FOSS.
\--

Are you new to FOSS? :)

-
| 2. The wiki is not a very good source of India-specific Ubuntu info. It does
| need to be updated. The IRC channel is way too unfamiliar to people in
| India.
\--

Need to learn to get used to the FOSS culture. Also see (1).

-
| answer them "Goto the wiki, Join the mailing list!". Every time, its the
| same reply, "mailing list? forum nahi hai? XP ka vo forum hai na,
| xx.com, vaisa?"
\--

There are many forums like linuxquestions.org, linuxforum.com where
people also participate. Nobody said you shouldn't ask Ubuntu
questions there :)

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before

-
|  6. Taking the ubuntuforums.org example, they arent India-specific, they are
| monstrously huge,
\--

Welcome to the huge FOSS community.

This mailing list is India specific, and does not have heavy traffic.

Please don't top-post, and use plain text when writing e-mails, in future.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] mailing Lists or Discussion Forums (was Ubuntu India Forum - )

[Lut4rp]

Hi, hi, hello people!

I'm sorry, the man in question, the one who started this whole debate, that
is ME (Pratul) hasn't yet participated in this discussion... ha ha! I did
write to the list but i hadn't yet been verified, so the mail bounced back.
So, i am writing this again...

I'm sorry i couldn't register with the mailing list earlier... I was a
little busy (my college fest coming up :) ) and it seems that i missed out a
healthy discussion! But fear not! I have read the archives of the list, so i
am up-to-date with what all has been said. Here's what i have to say:

1. I wanted a forum because of the primary ease in accessing them. One of
our main goals in this community is to spread the use of FOSS like Ubuntu. I
suggest somehow replacing/modifying the lists with the forum. I dont think a
maiing list is that suitable for a country like India where people are still
new to FOSS. Someone mentioned on the list that forums require a lot of
bandwidth? Dont worry friend, I keep my DB optimised and believe me, they
are quite fast.

2. The wiki is not a very good source of India-specific Ubuntu info. It does
need to be updated. The IRC channel is way too unfamiliar to people in
India.

3. We people (us who have been using Ubuntu for sometime now) aren't the
ones that need support! Its the n00bs.. Again, let me stress the point, I
have personally distributed over 100 Ubuntu CDs, and every time, people say
"Isme net chalega? Isme game chalegi? Iska user forum kahaa hai?" I have to
answer them "Goto the wiki, Join the mailing list!". Every time, its the
same reply, "mailing list? forum nahi hai? XP ka vo forum hai na, xx.com,
vaisa?" Maybe we can get the point better now?? :)

4. BG provided 2 great ways to access the mailing list in an interactive
manner, http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.indian and
http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com/
. I shall add these to the wiki. This answered some of the queries by
people.

5. I say, lets keep the wiki for advanced documentation & development
work/geeky stuff, and the forums for basic/advanced support. The wiki can
also act as super-important place where one should checkup before moving to
the forums.

6. Taking the ubuntuforums.org example, they arent India-specific, they are
monstrously huge, and many, many countries have resorted to their own
mini-community forums. The ubuntu.com wiki, too is used for advanced devels
only, so is the IRC channel. In fact, a check up at this URL,
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList, shows very few LoCo teams that do not
have forum.

So... If i missed something, please point it out again. And, if anybody
noticed, I did create the forums using SMF (thanks for the advice, VK) on
http://ubuntu.techjugaad.com, till we get a URL.

Thanks!
Pratul

On 9/29/07, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 9/29/07, Ramnarayan. K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > so my two paisa [make that 2 rupees considering the value of the rupee
> is
> > quite low there days ;) ]
>
> Dollar is down these days, so we can say Rupee is gaining(what if it
> is through a proxy ;) )
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