Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
Guys, I think we are deviating from the topic. On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Onkar Shinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Kingsly John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > +++ Onkar Shinde [2008-04-05 02:05:09]: > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello all > > > > > > > > > > I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy. > > > > > > > > > > I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite > some. > > > > > > > > > > Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are > > > > > culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts > easily. > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas what could wrog. > > > > > > > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... > > > > > > I would like 'Ubuntu QA' not being blamed for following reasons > > > 1. Ubuntu QA is not a well defined team. It includes almost anyone who > > > does packaging, bug reporting/triaging/fixing and anyone who > > > uses/tests Ubuntu. > > > > No it doesn't include so many people... there is a specific package > > maintainer who has responsibility for a package.. and at the very least > > should check if something basic like starting mailman or inserting an > optical > > disc has the expected result. > > We are not sure if the problem is faced here (related to DVD) is by > everyone or just few users who have specific hardware. So we can't not > say directly that package maintainer didn't test the package before > upgrade. > > > > > 3. More often than not the hardware problems that come in the form of > > > regressions are side effects of supposedly harmless change or > > > security/bug fix that someone did. > > > > No, regressions have little to do with hardware... the hardware is a > > constant.. it's the code that is the problem. > > Yes, hardware is constant on your machine. But it is variable between > your machine and package maintainers machine. So even if it is broken > for you, it may not be for him. > > > > > 4. It is my firm belief that all of the core developers in Ubuntu who > > > have power to crash your systems through the way of broken packages, > > > take very much care not to let it happen. But it is many times not > > > possible to test all the scenarios which might introduce regressions. > > > > Murphy will ensure that regressions can and will continue to happen .. but > > they should not happen for such basic functionality. > > > > And there is no reason to justify such regressions. > > > > What next justify the security issues on Windows because MS Employees are > > human too ? > > > > Kingsly > > > > PS: I have no idea if the DVD is issue is a regression or not ... I just > don't > > think trying to justify it is the right attitude. > > The case we are discussion here is a regression. It happened on gutsy > when some updates were installed. > No. I am not trying to justify the regressions. I remember some bugs > in launchpad where people were not able to boot their hardy > installations when they were having some specific type of hard drives. > The problem was that some old driver got disabled in favor of new > driver and it was causing unbootable machines for a small percentage > of users. > So I believe that issues like this which are related to hardware are > most of the times corner cases. > > And i specifically wanted to present objection to the sentence 'Ubuntu > QA is culprit'. > > I hope I have properly explained what I wanted to say. > > > > Onkar > -- > Passion - Some people climb mountains - others write Free software. > Don't ask why - the reason is the same. > > -- > > > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- -- ALLAH HAFIZ --- Mir Nazim --- mobile: +91-9906478306 --- website: http://www.xensoftlabs.com blog: http://mirnazim.wordpress.com --- Yahoo, Gmail/GTalk, Skype, AOL : mirnazim -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Kingsly John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +++ Onkar Shinde [2008-04-05 02:05:09]: > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello all > > > > > > > > I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy. > > > > > > > > I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite > some. > > > > > > > > Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are > > > > culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts easily. > > > > > > > > Any ideas what could wrog. > > > > > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... > > > > I would like 'Ubuntu QA' not being blamed for following reasons > > 1. Ubuntu QA is not a well defined team. It includes almost anyone who > > does packaging, bug reporting/triaging/fixing and anyone who > > uses/tests Ubuntu. > > No it doesn't include so many people... there is a specific package > maintainer who has responsibility for a package.. and at the very least > should check if something basic like starting mailman or inserting an optical > disc has the expected result. We are not sure if the problem is faced here (related to DVD) is by everyone or just few users who have specific hardware. So we can't not say directly that package maintainer didn't test the package before upgrade. > > 3. More often than not the hardware problems that come in the form of > > regressions are side effects of supposedly harmless change or > > security/bug fix that someone did. > > No, regressions have little to do with hardware... the hardware is a > constant.. it's the code that is the problem. Yes, hardware is constant on your machine. But it is variable between your machine and package maintainers machine. So even if it is broken for you, it may not be for him. > > 4. It is my firm belief that all of the core developers in Ubuntu who > > have power to crash your systems through the way of broken packages, > > take very much care not to let it happen. But it is many times not > > possible to test all the scenarios which might introduce regressions. > > Murphy will ensure that regressions can and will continue to happen .. but > they should not happen for such basic functionality. > > And there is no reason to justify such regressions. > > What next justify the security issues on Windows because MS Employees are > human too ? > > Kingsly > > PS: I have no idea if the DVD is issue is a regression or not ... I just > don't > think trying to justify it is the right attitude. The case we are discussion here is a regression. It happened on gutsy when some updates were installed. No. I am not trying to justify the regressions. I remember some bugs in launchpad where people were not able to boot their hardy installations when they were having some specific type of hard drives. The problem was that some old driver got disabled in favor of new driver and it was causing unbootable machines for a small percentage of users. So I believe that issues like this which are related to hardware are most of the times corner cases. And i specifically wanted to present objection to the sentence 'Ubuntu QA is culprit'. I hope I have properly explained what I wanted to say. Onkar -- Passion - Some people climb mountains - others write Free software. Don't ask why - the reason is the same. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
+++ Onkar Shinde [2008-04-05 02:05:09]: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello all > > > > > > I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy. > > > > > > I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite some. > > > > > > Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are > > > culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts easily. > > > > > > Any ideas what could wrog. > > > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... > > I would like 'Ubuntu QA' not being blamed for following reasons > 1. Ubuntu QA is not a well defined team. It includes almost anyone who > does packaging, bug reporting/triaging/fixing and anyone who > uses/tests Ubuntu. No it doesn't include so many people... there is a specific package maintainer who has responsibility for a package.. and at the very least should check if something basic like starting mailman or inserting an optical disc has the expected result. > 3. More often than not the hardware problems that come in the form of > regressions are side effects of supposedly harmless change or > security/bug fix that someone did. No, regressions have little to do with hardware... the hardware is a constant.. it's the code that is the problem. > 4. It is my firm belief that all of the core developers in Ubuntu who > have power to crash your systems through the way of broken packages, > take very much care not to let it happen. But it is many times not > possible to test all the scenarios which might introduce regressions. Murphy will ensure that regressions can and will continue to happen .. but they should not happen for such basic functionality. And there is no reason to justify such regressions. What next justify the security issues on Windows because MS Employees are human too ? Kingsly PS: I have no idea if the DVD is issue is a regression or not ... I just don't think trying to justify it is the right attitude. -- --- Kingsly At Users Dot SourceForge Dot Net -- http://kingsly.org/ --- -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello all > > > > I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy. > > > > I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite some. > > > > Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are > > culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts easily. > > > > Any ideas what could wrog. > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... I would like 'Ubuntu QA' not being blamed for following reasons 1. Ubuntu QA is not a well defined team. It includes almost anyone who does packaging, bug reporting/triaging/fixing and anyone who uses/tests Ubuntu. So when you say 'Ubuntu QA', it sounds like everyone is to be blamed. 2. People do make mistakes, It happens in all distros. Of course if there is/are a single person or group of persons who keep making mistakes, being careless then a platform is available to raise voice against it. 3. More often than not the hardware problems that come in the form of regressions are side effects of supposedly harmless change or security/bug fix that someone did. 4. It is my firm belief that all of the core developers in Ubuntu who have power to crash your systems through the way of broken packages, take very much care not to let it happen. But it is many times not possible to test all the scenarios which might introduce regressions. I think it is in best interest of Ubuntu in particular, free software in general that when you encounter such problem you report a bug and provide as much information as possible. Onkar -- Passion - Some people climb mountains - others write Free software. Don't ask why - the reason is the same. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Jayanth S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my system, Totem automagically mounts movie DVDs and Plays the same.. Is > Totem opening? > No totem is not opening. Moerover Totem does not mount DVDs. When they are mounted then only totem plays them > -- > Jay > "Impossible Is Nothing" > http://www.amonks.in > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > > -- -- ALLAH HAFIZ --- Mir Nazim --- mobile: +91-9906478306 --- website: http://www.xensoftlabs.com blog: http://mirnazim.wordpress.com --- Yahoo, Gmail/GTalk, Skype, AOL : mirnazim -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
In my system, Totem automagically mounts movie DVDs and Plays the same.. Is Totem opening? -- Jay "Impossible Is Nothing" http://www.amonks.in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... > > > > > > > I completely agree. BTW what distro do you use Vivek > For production work on my lappy I use debian (installed it 2 > years ago and still going strong). For other work I use Ubuntu on my > desktop, but I upgrade it only once in a year. > > 2 years. Woah. superb. I will get back to you on this some time later > > > > regards > VK > -- > The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- -- ALLAH HAFIZ --- Mir Nazim --- mobile: +91-9906478306 --- website: http://www.xensoftlabs.com blog: http://mirnazim.wordpress.com --- Yahoo, Gmail/GTalk, Skype, AOL : mirnazim -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... > > > > I completely agree. BTW what distro do you use Vivek For production work on my lappy I use debian (installed it 2 years ago and still going strong). For other work I use Ubuntu on my desktop, but I upgrade it only once in a year. regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello all > > > > I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy. > > > > I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite some. > > > > Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are > > culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts easily. > > > > Any ideas what could wrog. > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... > I completely agree. BTW what distro do you use Vivek > regards > VK > -- > The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- -- ALLAH HAFIZ --- Mir Nazim --- mobile: +91-9906478306 --- website: http://www.xensoftlabs.com blog: http://mirnazim.wordpress.com --- Yahoo, Gmail/GTalk, Skype, AOL : mirnazim -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all > > I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy. > > I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite some. > > Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are > culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts easily. > > Any ideas what could wrog. Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
