Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team
Another idea put forth was seeing Canonical hire someone to lead the marketing team while maintaining a model similar to the one existing. Marketing is a huge job and it is completely understandable why there is no one to step forward and why previous teams leaders have either burnt out or became busy with other things (Such as myself with Xubuntu and being a MOTU). If Canonical were to hire someone, they would have to be hired to fill the role of the community marketing team leader and not employed to promote Canonical or its services. For the individual to be useful and effective, they must simply be any regular, old community contributor who just happens to be able to fill that role with the support they are recieving from Canonical. Jono said that he was unsure if this would be able to materialize due to Canonical growing so fast in so many directions but we did learn from the Mozilla folks at the session that having someone(s) hired to work on the marketing seemed to be instrumental in generating the required momentum. Another interesting tidbit was that Jono said that if a marketing iniativie requires funds or resources (that are unreasonable for the loco team or individuals on the project to be able to obtain easily or via a bit of elbow polish) that they could contact him and he'll be able to assist them (ie. he'll get his wallet out... erm, as in he'll act as a liasion to get sponsorship from Canonical). A third option was to rebuild the marketing team using a similiar model to the current one but sourcing a loco team marketing contact from each loco team to build the new marketing team. Possible leadership for this new team discussed was the loco council. These two ideas can be combined. -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] The future of the Marketing Team
Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: Hello Marketing Team Members and Interested Parties, I'd like to report on the session we had here at UDS regarding Ubuntu Marketing so that we can get a wider audience and allow everyone a fair chance to share their ideas, point of view, or prospective solution on the undeniable reality that the way the current marketing team is setup simply isn't working. I know a number of us have been putting effort lately into re-jump starting the team or furthering specific marketing initiatives but because there has been a lack of an individual who has stepped forward to clearly champion Ubuntu marketing, not much progress has really been made in terms of making the team as a whole useful again. There is certainly no shortage of great, creative ideas... we just need to figure out how to get things moving - getting the ideas off the idea board and into production. This inconjuction with the observation that most loco teams seem to be doing an excellent job doing local (also known as street) marketing, the idea was put forward to disband the marketing team as we know it and move to a decentralized model where loco teams collectively makes up the Marketing Team. Before you object on principle, ask yourself What is the purpose of the marketing team?, What should it do? and I think that you'll see that the loco teams are the ones that are clearly fullfilling that role already. Another idea put forth was seeing Canonical hire someone to lead the marketing team while maintaining a model similar to the one existing. Marketing is a huge job and it is completely understandable why there is no one to step forward and why previous teams leaders have either burnt out or became busy with other things (Such as myself with Xubuntu and being a MOTU). If Canonical were to hire someone, they would have to be hired to fill the role of the community marketing team leader and not employed to promote Canonical or its services. For the individual to be useful and effective, they must simply be any regular, old community contributor who just happens to be able to fill that role with the support they are recieving from Canonical. Jono said that he was unsure if this would be able to materialize due to Canonical growing so fast in so many directions but we did learn from the Mozilla folks at the session that having someone(s) hired to work on the marketing seemed to be instrumental in generating the required momentum. Another interesting tidbit was that Jono said that if a marketing iniativie requires funds or resources (that are unreasonable for the loco team or individuals on the project to be able to obtain easily or via a bit of elbow polish) that they could contact him and he'll be able to assist them (ie. he'll get his wallet out... erm, as in he'll act as a liasion to get sponsorship from Canonical). A third option was to rebuild the marketing team using a similiar model to the current one but sourcing a loco team marketing contact from each loco team to build the new marketing team. Possible leadership for this new team discussed was the loco council. So, what is your opinion? Thoughts? Concerns? Ideas? Personally, although I was put off by the idea of disbanding the marketing team as we know it currently, once I had sometime to think about it I've come to think that maybe that would be a good idea. We certainly have to do something and I'm happy, as one of the last active marketing team admins, to faciliate what ever we decide to be the best course of option. Big thanks to Jono, Nick Ali, members of the Firefox/Mozilla teams, and other community contributors who took part in the UDS session. To conclude, I'd like to note a point that was brought up durring the session. People seemed to think that Canonical was an authority when it came to marketing Ubuntu and that everything has to be approved by them. Jono clarified this: Canonical is NOT an authority on marketing Ubuntu besides protecting their trademarks. So, please don't let that thought get in your way - we as the community have the power to make community marketing of Ubuntu successful and effective; it isn't Canonical's responsibility. :) I think this Marketing list is invaluable as an overview facility. I think marketing is paramount and have felt frustrated because this central marketing list lacked an ability to be much use for me, in my specific area - (UK as it happens) and when I wanted a UK marketing list initiated, it was resisted (in UK) because it was thought to be a subset of normal UK list activities. I believe a separate (UK) list would give a better chance of marketing gathering momentum and focus here. However, it is very useful indeed to have a central list for the wider issues. Such as this one now being discussed. General direction, summary, cross referencing ideas, and top level aspects, and not least, a central information channel to and
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Fwd: The future of the Marketing Team
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Rubén Hubuntu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Actually I do not see why all three ideas can be combined (in different levels): 1. Decentralizing the marketing team means actually moving our activities out to the real world, worldwide with lots of help from individuals working already hard in their respective LoCo 2. Having a person working for the coordination of campaigns, press related contact and general marketing stuff (internationally, like Amanda McPherson from the Linux Foundation: http://www.linux-foundation.org/weblogs/amanda/) 3. Having a local Marketing Contact makes sense related to point 1 since there's no point of sending hurds of ubunteros worldwide without regional/local coordination so their activities reach to a wider audience in a more structured (and hence more visible) way. Making marketing activities part of the monthly report should also be achievable and having a dedicated site (taking care of localized needs - as in other languages) for activities and marketing material would definitely give us a push as a whole. So what we do? Follow me: 1. Get someone to do the marketing job for Ubuntu (a Marketing Jono ;) as in: Marketing is analysing, setting up goals and planning activities in the marketplace. Then to implement these activities and control the effect of this effort 2. Get up the site, something like http://marketing.ubuntu.com 3. Create a marketing strategy for Ubuntu, say till December 2009. 3. Ask LoCo teams around to create a Marketing Team within the LoCo and have a contact and implement a local strategy based on the Ubuntu marketing strategy Then we will be heading to a more organized (and hence effective) and cooperative organization. Those are all excellent ideas. Infact, all of the ideas expressed so far have all been great. As I said in my original post, there certainly isn't a lack of creative, good ideas for marketing. The issue, however, is that we need someone to step up and fill that leadership role. Without someone willing to do that, the only viable option is to disband the marketing team (although I'm sure we could retain the mailing list) and move to the the decentralized, loco team model Cheers, Rubén - Hubuntu https://launchpad.net/~hubuntu https://launchpad.net/%7Ehubuntu -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Engineer Red Cow Marketing Technologies, Inc. Office: 506-458-1290 Toll Free: 1-877-733-2699 Fax: 506-453-9112 Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redcow.ca -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Fwd: The future of the Marketing Team
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Rubén Hubuntu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snipped good ideas] Then we will be heading to a more organized (and hence effective) and cooperative organization. Those are all excellent ideas. Infact, all of the ideas expressed so far have all been great. Nice ideas :) lack of creative, good ideas for marketing. The issue, however, is that we need someone to step up and fill that leadership role. Without someone I am willing to fill that role ! -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Fwd: The future of the Marketing Team
+1 for Canonical hiring Vid as marketing team lead. Could it be that easy? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:03 PM, VidA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Rubén Hubuntu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snipped good ideas] Then we will be heading to a more organized (and hence effective) and cooperative organization. Those are all excellent ideas. Infact, all of the ideas expressed so far have all been great. Nice ideas :) lack of creative, good ideas for marketing. The issue, however, is that we need someone to step up and fill that leadership role. Without someone I am willing to fill that role ! -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
