Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:57:40 +0200 Simon Schneebeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It's about two weeks that I'm on this mailinglist. I don't want to and can't judge about the debate that is going on. For me, it's just clear that I'll turn away if things do not change to more soon. I joined this list because I wanted to help with marketing. I don't mind if there is no leadership (although leaders can do a marveouls job of coordinating things), nor if there is no clear goal/mission/strategy. I think there are plenty of things we can do even without that. My proposition would be to create a marketing strategy mailinglist, where all the debate about mission, structure, leadership can be discussed and leave the present mailinglist for those who would like to focus on the operational part of ubuntu marketing. Discussion about strategy is indeed important and has to take place. It's just, for now I have the impression that the whole debate prevents those who want to DO something from getting active. So please, tell what you think about the idea of creating a separate mailinglist for strategy questions and if there is enough agreement, create such a list as soon as possible so that there is a place where we can focus on action. Simon PS: Otherwise it would of course be possible to do it the other way round: create a mailinglist for marketing-operation. Simon. This is a very viable solution. I think you are right. The two discussions should be separated to avoid more people feeling like you do. And this way we can avoid, hopefully, losing people we can ill afford to lose. I think a new list for those who want to discuss strategy and structure is best. There are too many threads and subscribers to this list to ask them to move. The people who want to be part of the strategy discussions is a much smaller number and it would be more efficient if they were the ones who had to subscribe to the new list. - -- Peace! John -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUi2dsTN+hz1Fu7URArKoAJsHwnRJQVxTzLZ1uN79Mld3lr8lwwCdGZTG qdpaJcAs4LZ+DiADgWjLM+w= =H13Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:07:26 -0500 John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I knew how to set up a new list, I would do it. If someone here will explain where to go to do so and anything I need to know about the mechanics of setting up a list, then I will be more than happy to take care of it. - -- Peace! John -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUjjOsTN+hz1Fu7URAuWDAJ982V0MiXzn+no4Gvm6wDCD5dHGwQCeMbdL oxIiZgGYOZrr5LQnRTYrDEM= =0W3g -END PGP SIGNATURE- I went to my Launchpad page and did a search on mailing lists and found this page https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp which I want to quote: Establishing a mailing list If you are a team administrator, look on your team overview page. You will see an action called Configure mailing list: I don't have team administrator privileges, nor do I know who does. So, at this point, there is nothing I can do to help you, Simon. I'm very sorry. I know you really don't care to read about team strategy/structure discussion, so you might want to stop reading here. Given all this talk about how this team has no leaders, what would you call someone with team administration privileges? Chopped chicken livers? LOL Having that kind of authority is at least part of being a leader. And if a only a team administrator can set up a mailing list, I wonder what other kinds of authority they have - things they can do that the rest of us can not do. That is power, my friends, which is what structure is all about. If we want to have a group that is a total anarchy, which is what some people are suggesting, then let's give every one team administrator privileges. Otherwise, let's stop kidding ourselves: there is a power structure on this team and in the Ubuntu community. - -- Peace! John -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUj71sTN+hz1Fu7URAixUAJ9josDLYMeUBnTCJP150qp88HHiUgCfdHh6 pVd3bCU/FcT8H2zbHaRb0fY= =qNtG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:33 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:07:26 -0500 John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I knew how to set up a new list, I would do it. If someone here will explain where to go to do so and anything I need to know about the mechanics of setting up a list, then I will be more than happy to take care of it. - -- Peace! John -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUjjOsTN+hz1Fu7URAuWDAJ982V0MiXzn+no4Gvm6wDCD5dHGwQCeMbdL oxIiZgGYOZrr5LQnRTYrDEM= =0W3g -END PGP SIGNATURE- I went to my Launchpad page and did a search on mailing lists and found this page https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp which I want to quote: Establishing a mailing list If you are a team administrator, look on your team overview page. You will see an action called Configure mailing list: I don't have team administrator privileges, nor do I know who does. So, at this point, there is nothing I can do to help you, Simon. I'm very sorry. I know you really don't care to read about team strategy/structure discussion, so you might want to stop reading here. Given all this talk about how this team has no leaders, what would you call someone with team administration privileges? Chopped chicken livers? LOL Having that kind of authority is at least part of being a leader. And if a only a team administrator can set up a mailing list, I wonder what other kinds of authority they have - things they can do that the rest of us can not do. That is power, my friends, which is what structure is all about. If we want to have a group that is a total anarchy, which is what some people are suggesting, then let's give every one team administrator privileges. Otherwise, let's stop kidding ourselves: there is a power structure on this team and in the Ubuntu community. Hello John, I am currently the only active administrator (Corey and Jenda are both busy with real life as far as I know). I've been watching these discussions with much interest over the last few weeks but not saying much to see how things would pan out. As for your request re: the mailing list, please give me some time to think about it. Cheers, - -- Peace! John -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUj71sTN+hz1Fu7URAixUAJ9josDLYMeUBnTCJP150qp88HHiUgCfdHh6 pVd3bCU/FcT8H2zbHaRb0fY= =qNtG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Engineer Red Cow Marketing Technologies, Inc. Office: 506-458-1290 Toll Free: 1-877-733-2699 Fax: 506-453-9112 Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redcow.ca -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:53:16 -0300 Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:33 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:07:26 -0500 John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I knew how to set up a new list, I would do it. If someone here will explain where to go to do so and anything I need to know about the mechanics of setting up a list, then I will be more than happy to take care of it. - -- Peace! John -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUjjOsTN+hz1Fu7URAuWDAJ982V0MiXzn+no4Gvm6wDCD5dHGwQCeMbdL oxIiZgGYOZrr5LQnRTYrDEM= =0W3g -END PGP SIGNATURE- I went to my Launchpad page and did a search on mailing lists and found this page https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp which I want to quote: Establishing a mailing list If you are a team administrator, look on your team overview page. You will see an action called Configure mailing list: I don't have team administrator privileges, nor do I know who does. So, at this point, there is nothing I can do to help you, Simon. I'm very sorry. I know you really don't care to read about team strategy/structure discussion, so you might want to stop reading here. Given all this talk about how this team has no leaders, what would you call someone with team administration privileges? Chopped chicken livers? LOL Having that kind of authority is at least part of being a leader. And if a only a team administrator can set up a mailing list, I wonder what other kinds of authority they have - things they can do that the rest of us can not do. That is power, my friends, which is what structure is all about. If we want to have a group that is a total anarchy, which is what some people are suggesting, then let's give every one team administrator privileges. Otherwise, let's stop kidding ourselves: there is a power structure on this team and in the Ubuntu community. Hello John, I am currently the only active administrator (Corey and Jenda are both busy with real life as far as I know). snip A question, Cody, for you and everyone else here, and I am NOT being facetious: Is marketing not part of life? No need to post answers, just answer that for yourselves, and try and understand how others would answer. It all comes down to a matter of priorities. And yes, I do know that there are some things in life that are more important than marketing. Not many, though. - -- Peace! John -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUkposTN+hz1Fu7URAnsTAKDn+QuUIfwy77mYlRpP2WFxdFcZdQCgrRKp xcOQ9bolb/0lx9M04gLtFwg= =duqB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:22 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 snip Hello John, I am currently the only active administrator (Corey and Jenda are both busy with real life as far as I know). snip A question, Cody, for you and everyone else here, and I am NOT being facetious: Is marketing not part of life? No need to post answers, just answer that for yourselves, and try and understand how others would answer. It all comes down to a matter of priorities. And yes, I do know that there are some things in life that are more important than marketing. Not many, though. I'm sorry but I fail to see the relevance of your question to the current topic (separate mailing list for marketing strategy discussion). Could you please elaborate? - -- Peace! John snip -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Engineer Red Cow Marketing Technologies, Inc. Office: 506-458-1290 Toll Free: 1-877-733-2699 Fax: 506-453-9112 Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redcow.ca -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
