Re: Considerations about the user applications
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 15:48 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > I'm a bit confused on this. Doesn't Contact on Pimlico support so called > > embedded EDS utilizing dbus as communication mechnism under the hood? > > Yes, but as far as I know GPE currently doesn't GPE's PIM suite uses sqlite. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 10:39:50PM +0800, Zhu, Peter J wrote: > Adilson Oliveira wrote: > > Currently, this is our main issue. I agree about the EDS of course, > > as I > > said, I just want to have a plan B. > > > I'm a bit confused on this. Doesn't Contact on Pimlico support so called > embedded EDS utilizing dbus as communication mechnism under the hood? Yes, but as far as I know GPE currently doesn't -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Considerations about the user applications
Adilson Oliveira wrote: > Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 04:22:17PM -0300, Adilson Oliveira wrote: >> >>> 3) PIM - We already have Pimlico there but it's not catching up as >>> fast as we wanted to so I'm thinking about add GPE to the pot. They >>> are already available to Maemo so, it should not be hard to do it. >> >> Beyond the lack of an editing widget in the current version of >> contacts, are there any other issues? Not making use of EDS sounds >> like a net loss for interoperability. >> > > Currently, this is our main issue. I agree about the EDS of course, > as I > said, I just want to have a plan B. > I'm a bit confused on this. Doesn't Contact on Pimlico support so called embedded EDS utilizing dbus as communication mechnism under the hood? Thanks, Peter -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 04:22:17PM -0300, Adilson Oliveira wrote: > >> 3) PIM - We already have Pimlico there but it's not catching up as fast >> as we wanted to so I'm thinking about add GPE to the pot. They are >> already available to Maemo so, it should not be hard to do it. > > Beyond the lack of an editing widget in the current version of contacts, > are there any other issues? Not making use of EDS sounds like a net loss > for interoperability. > Currently, this is our main issue. I agree about the EDS of course, as I said, I just want to have a plan B. []s Adilson. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 04:22:17PM -0300, Adilson Oliveira wrote: > 3) PIM - We already have Pimlico there but it's not catching up as fast > as we wanted to so I'm thinking about add GPE to the pot. They are > already available to Maemo so, it should not be hard to do it. Beyond the lack of an editing widget in the current version of contacts, are there any other issues? Not making use of EDS sounds like a net loss for interoperability. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
Ross Burton wrote: > > If there are partial patches to Hildonize the original Contacts source, > then I can have a bit of a hack on them too. > That would be really great. I don't have a set of patches right now unfortunately, maybe Matthew has them but you can download the full sources on the lpia arch under the name contacts-snapshot or I can send them directly to you if you prefer. []s Adilson -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
Ola, >> Everyone I know just uses meebo http://www.meebo.com/ ...it would be much >> less work for you to >> just bookmark this ;) > > Of course meebo doesn't handle a calendar or todo list, from the front > page its just a web-based IM client. Agreed. The major benefit of it though is that it handles all IM protocols (AIM, Yahoo!, MSN, Google Talk, ICQ and Jabber) from the same web interface on port 80. I assume that a potential target market for MID's will be large in-company rollouts (given the popularity of the tutorial http://www.tweako.com/customizing_the_nokia_n800_and_770_or_how_to_configure_the_device_for_your_purposes ) and these are often behind restrictive corporate firewalls. This kind of functionality could be useful in this use case. []'s Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 09:50 -0300, Adilson Oliveira wrote: > Thanks for jumping into the discussion. Right now our biggest limitation > is contacts which does not have a full hildon interface AFAIK. Matthew > Garrett made some efforts on this direction but it's very limited yet. > Are there any recent news about it that I'm not aware? I spoke with Matthew a week ago or so, and there were two options. 1) Hildonise the current GTK+ UI which won't be too tricky, or 2) work on the new rewrite of Contacts and implement a Hildon port there. (2) is far more work than (1), but (1) would be a long-term waste of effort because we intend to drop the current source as soon as possible (because we're rewriting it all). If there are partial patches to Hildonize the original Contacts source, then I can have a bit of a hack on them too. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
Ross Burton wrote: > > Adilson, is there anything in particular that is a problem with Pimlico? > We're not exactly overflowing with spare time to work on this ourselves, > but we may be able to focus some effort. > Hi Ross. Thanks for jumping into the discussion. Right now our biggest limitation is contacts which does not have a full hildon interface AFAIK. Matthew Garrett made some efforts on this direction but it's very limited yet. Are there any recent news about it that I'm not aware? []s Adilson. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 05:23 -0700, Ian wrote: > > 3) PIM - We already have Pimlico there but it's not catching up as fast > > as we wanted to so I'm thinking about add GPE to the pot. They are > > already available to Maemo so, it should not be hard to do it. > Everyone I know just uses meebo http://www.meebo.com/ ...it would be much > less work for you to > just bookmark this ;) Of course meebo doesn't handle a calendar or todo list, from the front page its just a web-based IM client. Adilson, is there anything in particular that is a problem with Pimlico? We're not exactly overflowing with spare time to work on this ourselves, but we may be able to focus some effort. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
Ola, > 2) Dealing with MS Office documents. > - Add gnumeric and abiword to the pool of applications. They can't > handle MS Office formats as well as Openoffice but are light and already > have hildon interfaces. Easy to do but we will miss Powerpoint files. > - Add Openoffice. As we know, they can handle MS Office files well but > are big and don't have a hildon interface tough it is possible to do > some changes on the interface to help smooth the edges. I remember spending quite some time when I received my 770 looking for the video out to show a presentation I had written. It seemed something so obvious to me I did not even consider that it would not be available. I asked about this on the maemo lists and it seems *many* people wanted this functionality too. Someone hacked together some solution using USB -> VGA I think, but IIRC this meant recompiling your kernel which basically put an end to the discussion for most people. > 3) PIM - We already have Pimlico there but it's not catching up as fast > as we wanted to so I'm thinking about add GPE to the pot. They are > already available to Maemo so, it should not be hard to do it. Everyone I know just uses meebo http://www.meebo.com/ ...it would be much less work for you to just bookmark this ;) []'s Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 04:22:17PM -0300, Adilson Oliveira wrote: >> 1) Remote access. >> - Use rdesktop with some sort of GUI. I'll implement panning to help >> deal with the low resolution of the devices. VNC is also feasible but it >> has a few drawbacks as do not work with matchbox keyboard. Perhaps add >> something to XDMCP? > > Would tsclient be useful as a base for the GUI? Yes, that's my idea. I remember seeing something for Maemo specifically a long time ago but I'm not sure, I'll have to look it up. > >> 2) Dealing with MS Office documents. >> - Add gnumeric and abiword to the pool of applications. They can't >> handle MS Office formats as well as Openoffice but are light and already >> have hildon interfaces. Easy to do but we will miss Powerpoint files. >> - Add Openoffice. As we know, they can handle MS Office files well but >> are big and don't have a hildon interface tough it is possible to do >> some changes on the interface to help smooth the edges. > > PowerPoint is a key file format, and robust support for all Office formats > will be a great differentiator for the platform. It's one of the things > that's very difficult for existing mobile Linux platforms because the > hardware horsepower is lacking. Exactly. We're in a tight spot here. In time we can aways use OpenOffices's code as a base to create a set of viewers but right now I don't see another way but have it package and who wanting support for powerpoint will need the hardware capacity to do it. > >> 3) PIM - We already have Pimlico there but it's not catching up as fast >> as we wanted to so I'm thinking about add GPE to the pot. They are >> already available to Maemo so, it should not be hard to do it. > > I agree. > Cool. I'll see to it. []s Adilson. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 04:22:17PM -0300, Adilson Oliveira wrote: > 1) Remote access. > - Use rdesktop with some sort of GUI. I'll implement panning to help > deal with the low resolution of the devices. VNC is also feasible but it > has a few drawbacks as do not work with matchbox keyboard. Perhaps add > something to XDMCP? Would tsclient be useful as a base for the GUI? I don't think VNC is as attractive for this use case, and not even UNIX weenies use XDMCP anymore. ;-) > 2) Dealing with MS Office documents. > - Add gnumeric and abiword to the pool of applications. They can't > handle MS Office formats as well as Openoffice but are light and already > have hildon interfaces. Easy to do but we will miss Powerpoint files. > - Add Openoffice. As we know, they can handle MS Office files well but > are big and don't have a hildon interface tough it is possible to do > some changes on the interface to help smooth the edges. PowerPoint is a key file format, and robust support for all Office formats will be a great differentiator for the platform. It's one of the things that's very difficult for existing mobile Linux platforms because the hardware horsepower is lacking. > 3) PIM - We already have Pimlico there but it's not catching up as fast > as we wanted to so I'm thinking about add GPE to the pot. They are > already available to Maemo so, it should not be hard to do it. I agree. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Considerations about the user applications
Hi, On 9/3/07, Adilson Oliveira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good evening > > We are revisiting the choices and options regarding the user > applications that will be available in this first release. [snip] > 2) Dealing with MS Office documents. > - Add gnumeric and abiword to the pool of applications. They can't > handle MS Office formats as well as Openoffice but are light and already > have hildon interfaces. Easy to do but we will miss Powerpoint files. Deal with MS document format is a quite obscure subject, IMHO. Abiword and Gnumeric have support for .doc and .xls formats respectively, in some cases even better than OOo, but I really doubt there ever will be full support for these. They're incompatible with everything else, even with themselves, as the format differs in each version of the Office suit. The new OOXML came promising to fix these issues, but there is not any implementation of import/export filters in the Free Software world yet. Novell is working on adding support for it in OOo, but I don't know when it will be ready or usable. > - Add Openoffice. As we know, they can handle MS Office files well but > are big and don't have a hildon interface tough it is possible to do > some changes on the interface to help smooth the edges. Does anyone know how OOo performs in terms of memory/power/processor consumption in the kinds of devices UME is targeting? Other important point is the amount of work needed to adapt it to he hildon interface would be gigantic. One thing I can say from my experience of porting applications to Nokia 770 and N800 devices is they will never be fully adapted to small screens. Take Gnumeric for example. The look of the main window gives you the wrong impression that the job is done. The great majority of dialogs require more space than it is available in that small screens. One thing I'd keep in mind is the purpose of having an office suite available for the UME. If it is intended to be used more for trivial tasks as viewing (someone sends you an email with a document attached) and simple editing (you correct something in the document and sends back), I think Abiword and Gnumeric fulfill the requirements. Otherwise, it looks like more a job for a work in a desktop computer. Best Regards, Etrunko. -- Eduardo de Barros Lima INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Considerations about the user applications
Good evening We are revisiting the choices and options regarding the user applications that will be available in this first release. The document https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UserApplications explains, as you know, the the choices and current status of them (tough I need to do some updating on the current building) I did chat with Bob Spencer on friday and I would like to place here our thoughts for discussion. 1) Remote access. - Use rdesktop with some sort of GUI. I'll implement panning to help deal with the low resolution of the devices. VNC is also feasible but it has a few drawbacks as do not work with matchbox keyboard. Perhaps add something to XDMCP? 2) Dealing with MS Office documents. - Add gnumeric and abiword to the pool of applications. They can't handle MS Office formats as well as Openoffice but are light and already have hildon interfaces. Easy to do but we will miss Powerpoint files. - Add Openoffice. As we know, they can handle MS Office files well but are big and don't have a hildon interface tough it is possible to do some changes on the interface to help smooth the edges. 3) PIM - We already have Pimlico there but it's not catching up as fast as we wanted to so I'm thinking about add GPE to the pot. They are already available to Maemo so, it should not be hard to do it. 4) Games - No big deal here. We can pick some of the ones already ported to Maemo and maybe some 3D ones that can run in the devices that already have support for that like the Samsung Q1. Suggestions are appreciated. []s Adilson. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
