Re: Virtual packages?

[Ming Hua]

> Am Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:42:41 +0100 schrieb Jan Claeys:
> 
> > This is explained in the 'debian-policy' document:
> > 

On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 11:24:38AM +0100, Andreas Volz wrote:
> Ok, I looked into
> 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt
> 
> but found no virtual package for glut. So what is the exact name for
> the virtual glut package and how could I get a recent list?

For cases like glut and freeglut you discribed, I believe the following
statement form Jan Claeys's URL usually apply:
"(except privately, amongst a cooperating group of packages)"
So that list is far from complete for all virtual packages used in
Debian.

Ming
2006.11.12

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Re: More Teams, more MLs, more more more

[Ming Hua]

On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:50:38PM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> Hi,

Hi Stephan,

> On Saturday 11 November 2006 23:10, Daniel T. Chen wrote:
> > Ming Hua wrote:
> > >
> > > I care about stable updates a lot, and while I am not confident to be in
> > > the MOTU-SRU team, I would be happy to be in such a bug triaging team
> > > and help what I can.  Anybody with me?
> >
> > Ideally all MOTU would participate, but understandably there are
> > resource constraints. I'm game for being on such a triaging team.
> 
> Just another team with the same ppl in as in our other teams?

In particularly this case, I am proposing to form and join a team to
help another team (MOTU-SRU) that I am not in.  So it would not be the
same people in both teams in the first place.  Daniel does belong to
both teams though (if a second one is formed, of course).

> I think this structure of teams will work if there are different ppl doing 
> different work. But the same ppl doing the same work  (and what is different 
> from bug triaging for normal motu bugs, then triaging bugs for sru bugs?)

I understand your argument of reducing unnecessary infrastructures.  But
I still believe a triage team for SRUed packages is necessary.  Let's
face it: it's just not realistic to ask every MOTU/hopeful to look at
all bugs in universe.  I was subscribed to -universe-bugs list for a few
months, couldn't keep up with the traffic and ended up doing nothing
useful.

Ming
2006.11.12

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Re: More Teams, more MLs, more more more

[Reinhard Tartler]

Stephan Hermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Why can't we go back to the "old" times of KISS (Keep it simple and stupid) 
> so 
> that everybody can understand what we are doing and can help us?

We don't introduce burocracy because of having burocracy. We introduce
it because we want to ensure some level of quality, transparency and
efficiency.

> Administration is good, Structure is better...but the people love us because 
> of simplicity not being XYZ with strange rules.

I don't think that allowing everyone to just upload every ubuntu-dev
member to -updates would be a good idea. AFAIU everyone is allowed to
upload to edgy-proposed, but we ask them to diskuss this on malone
first. I think this is a good idea, but if you have a different opinion,
please contribute it on this list!

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More Teams, more MLs, more more more (was Re: Stable Release Updates policy)

[Stephan Hermann]

Hi,

On Saturday 11 November 2006 23:10, Daniel T. Chen wrote:
> Ming Hua wrote:
> > I have another idea -- what about forming another team to act as
> > MOTU-SRU bug triagers?  This team should be (automatically?) set as bug
> > contact for all SRUed packages, and look at the bug reports, then
> > contact MOTU-SRU team and the MOTU who did the upload if they think the
> > bug is caused by the update.
> >
> > I care about stable updates a lot, and while I am not confident to be in
> > the MOTU-SRU team, I would be happy to be in such a bug triaging team
> > and help what I can.  Anybody with me?
>
> Ideally all MOTU would participate, but understandably there are
> resource constraints. I'm game for being on such a triaging team.

Just another team with the same ppl in as in our other teams?

I think this structure of teams will work if there are different ppl doing 
different work. But the same ppl doing the same work  (and what is different 
from bug triaging for normal motu bugs, then triaging bugs for sru bugs?)

TBH, nowadays it's quite difficult for a newcomer to find out how MOTU 
universe is working, with all this administration. 

Why can't we go back to the "old" times of KISS (Keep it simple and stupid) so 
that everybody can understand what we are doing and can help us?

Administration is good, Structure is better...but the people love us because 
of simplicity not being XYZ with strange rules.

Just my thoughts,

\sh

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Re: Virtual packages?

[Michael Bienia]

On 2006-11-12 11:24:38 +0100, Andreas Volz wrote:
> Ok, I looked into
> 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt
> 
> but found no virtual package for glut. So what is the exact name for
> the virtual glut package and how could I get a recent list?

Looking through the package list I can only find freeglut (the others
glut packages point back to the freeglut ones).

Michael

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Re: Virtual packages?

[Andreas Volz]

Am Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:42:41 +0100 schrieb Jan Claeys:

> Op zaterdag 11-11-2006 om 23:44 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Andreas
> Volz:
> > in Gentoo it's possible to use virtual packages if multiple packages
> > with the same features are available. For example glut vs.
> > freeglut. I could use virtual/glut as dependency by building a
> > package. Is something like this available while building a debian
> > package?
> 
> This is explained in the 'debian-policy' document:
> 
> and:
> 

Ok, I looked into

http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt

but found no virtual package for glut. So what is the exact name for
the virtual glut package and how could I get a recent list?

regards
Andreas

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