Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
Hello! so i want to know is that council board decision and if its not i want to know the council board decision in this Issue and i have to end my mail by some points that there is just one God This is what *YOU* believe. And frankly, who cares? I play a nice game, called Half-life 2. It's a rather old first-person shooter, a good one. Ok. This game has some cheat codes, things you do that can change game behavior in order to make it easier. In that game, you have two cheats religion-related: one is GOD: when you *become god*, you are invincible. Nothing can harm you. The other is Buddha: when you become buddha, bullets hurt you, up to a level when you have a minimum health, barely enough to survive. Were the game producers implying that god is better than buddha? Were they making an allusion to the personal story of buddha, who suffered almost to death before reaching enlightenment? I DON'T KNOW and I don't care. there are People how don`t believe in him and there are people how Differed on how to identify him There are a huge percentage of the world population who believes in MULTIPLE gods, do you know? There are religions that believe that when you die, YOU become god. So please stop you babble here. This is a technical matter of censorship. every team has not to offend other teams Beliefs and when they want to debate on which team is right they have to do it in a good and polite way with out fighting or insulting each other You are insulting pretty much everyone. Sometimes I wonder what you smoke before writing. when God is mean to me huge thing and no one could be over him don`t do a game and right in it in a big font *ver God coz it is an offend to my Beliefs so if we consider that the author of the game don`t believe in God why did he mention him or that there is how could be over him in this game if you don`t believe in god and you don`t believe that he exists you don`t mention that there is how can be over him in a game unless you want to offend People how believe in that coz if you believe in him you will not going to say *ver God Stop it, please. You are wasting everyone's time. my point of view about censorship censorship is like police to prevent the crime before its going to be done There is this most interesting thing in modern justice, that states: One is innocent until proven guilty. What you suggest is not only stupid, but lead to a police state. You are crazy just by suggesting it. censorship is not wrong using censorship to Suppress people saying that is offend some thing and it`s not that is what i call it wrong,lieing, deceiving and exploitation authorities of some charge in bad way Censorship *IS* wrong. Always. -- [] Alexandre Strube su...@ubuntu.com -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
On Tuesday 30,June,2009 06:14 PM, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: so i want to know is that council board decision and if its not i want to know the council board decision in this Issue and i have to end my mail by some points that there is just one God Is this guy for real? I sure hope not. I wonder why he hasn't trolled Ubuntu Satanic Edition already. Or maybe he has and I didn't notice. -- Regards, Chow Loong Jin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game *ver god
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:22:29 +0300 vido v...@masrawy.com wrote: that is it for now i`m waiting a respond First, you have not brought this to the MOTU Council yet. You are having a conversation with various people who work on developing Ubuntu. Once you decide that this is a dispute that cannot be resolved through discussion, you can raise it with them by writing motu-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com. I would encourage you, however, not to do this. If you ask them to have this package removed you need to consider what standard they will apply. This standard cannot treat any particular religion more favorably than any other (or over being against religion completely). Ubuntu is a world wide project. In different parts of the world beliefs are different and Ubuntu must acommodate these diverse perspectives as best it can. If the standard is set that any material that involves religion that offends anyone must be removed, it will have far reaching effects. By its nature, all religious material has potential to offend people who hold different beliefs. I forsee the end result of such a policy would be the eventual removal of all packages with religious or potentially religious content. As an example, there are Biblical study tools in Ubuntu. There are parts of the world where physical copies of the Bible are very rare. If these tools are removed from Ubuntu, fewer people will have access to it. I don't think this is what you want. My advice to you is to just ignore this game. So far you have managed to bring some prominence to what was before a very obscure game and got it a lot of attention. My advice is to drop it and let it return to its former obscurity. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
Is this guy for real? I sure hope not. I wonder why he hasn't trolled Ubuntu Satanic Edition already. Or maybe he has and I didn't notice. This guy is a nutjob. smcc...@gmail.com Support a national popular vote in the US! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact http://www.nationalpopularvote.com -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game *ver god
First, you have not brought this to the MOTU Council yet. You are having a conversation with various people who work on developing Ubuntu. Once you decide that this is a dispute that cannot be resolved through discussion, you can raise it with them by writing motu-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com. I would encourage you, however, not to do this. If you ask them to have this package removed you need to consider what standard they will apply. This standard cannot treat any particular religion more favorably than any other (or over being against religion completely). Ubuntu is a world wide project. In different parts of the world beliefs are different and Ubuntu must acommodate these diverse perspectives as best it can. If the standard is set that any material that involves religion that offends anyone must be removed, it will have far reaching effects. By its nature, all religious material has potential to offend people who hold different beliefs. I forsee the end result of such a policy would be the eventual removal of all packages with religious or potentially religious content. As an example, there are Biblical study tools in Ubuntu. There are parts of the world where physical copies of the Bible are very rare. If these tools are removed from Ubuntu, fewer people will have access to it. I don't think this is what you want. My advice to you is to just ignore this game. So far you have managed to bring some prominence to what was before a very obscure game and got it a lot of attention. My advice is to drop it and let it return to its former obscurity. Scott K I agree entirely. -- Shawn McCuan smcc...@gmail.com Support a national popular vote in the US! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact http://www.nationalpopularvote.com -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
On Tuesday 30,June,2009 11:43 PM, Shawn McCuan wrote: Is this guy for real? I sure hope not. I wonder why he hasn't trolled Ubuntu Satanic Edition already. Or maybe he has and I didn't notice. This guy is a nutjob. Please don't forget the CoC[1] ;-) [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct -- Regards, Chow Loong Jin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn McCuan schrieb: This guy is a nutjob. Come on now. This is not the tone we want on the mailing list. Daniel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpKOXgACgkQRjrlnQWd1esuGwCfcK/tZ5flelKs3B+T84hMzzk5 ZgYAn2Adn/QFZrVme0MImnw8HPQo/9vB =lCet -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
2009/6/30 Daniel Holbach daniel.holb...@ubuntu.com: Come on now. This is not the tone we want on the mailing list. Daniel +1 -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
That's not the CoC required here. +1 On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 18:12 +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn McCuan schrieb: This guy is a nutjob. Come on now. This is not the tone we want on the mailing list. Daniel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpKOXgACgkQRjrlnQWd1esuGwCfcK/tZ5flelKs3B+T84hMzzk5 ZgYAn2Adn/QFZrVme0MImnw8HPQo/9vB =lCet -END PGP SIGNATURE- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn McCuan wrote: Is this guy for real? I sure hope not. I wonder why he hasn't trolled Ubuntu Satanic Edition already. Or maybe he has and I didn't notice. This guy is a nutjob. smcc...@gmail.com Support a national popular vote in the US! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact http://www.nationalpopularvote.com No he is just obeying one of the dictates of his religion which says more or less Never be lacking in zeal can't remember the exact chapter and versus but a line like that exists in one of the four gospels and then again in Acts. I can't fault him for that, nor can i question his sanity. He needs to understand however that Ubuntu's mission is not to support his interpretation of his religion, and that removing this game because it offends him and might offend other people is akin to censorship. I believe it wouldn't be a stretch to say that censorship is totally repugnant to what most of us (Developers of and Contributers to Ubuntu) believe in. Furthermore I think that God supports free speech as well, after all he did give us all free will, but i digress. The point is that one user's or group of users views can not be allowed to override the mission of Ubuntu or the views of a majority of the people who work to bring it into being. This is why everyone is against removing this package from the archive. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpKQO4ACgkQfGeS0kace80ScwCfaG4ohUeEZCMcOpyxZ/wHaDLd 8vYAnjVyRo1/xLRdGUoK4GycOIRo0Cvm =D/Yb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 12:44 -0400, Matt Arnold wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn McCuan wrote: Is this guy for real? I sure hope not. I wonder why he hasn't trolled Ubuntu Satanic Edition already. Or maybe he has and I didn't notice. This guy is a nutjob. smcc...@gmail.com Support a national popular vote in the US! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact http://www.nationalpopularvote.com No he is just obeying one of the dictates of his religion which says more or less Never be lacking in zeal can't remember the exact chapter and versus but a line like that exists in one of the four gospels and then again in Acts. I can't fault him for that, nor can i question his sanity. He needs to understand however that Ubuntu's mission is not to support his interpretation of his religion, and that removing this game because it offends him and might offend other people is akin to censorship. I believe it wouldn't be a stretch to say that censorship is totally repugnant to what most of us (Developers of and Contributers to Ubuntu) believe in. Furthermore I think that God supports free speech as well, after all he did give us all free will, but i digress. The point is that one user's or group of users views can not be allowed to override the mission of Ubuntu or the views of a majority of the people who work to bring it into being. This is why everyone is against removing this package from the archive. +1 Charlie signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
Alright, rather than summing it up in that way, I suppose I could make it a little more long winded and more eloquent, although, the exact same meaning ends up being reached. I do however apologize for my unnecessary ad hominem. This guy keeps arguing for something on which he has no logical grounds to support his position. He is merely looking at a program name, demanding censorship, just because he believes that somehow it is belittling to his version of a god. He's not taking into account the hundreds of other gods that the millions of Ubuntu users and developers believe in around the world. I have yet to see any user of a different religion demand that the bible study tools should be removed, although I'm positive they are contrary to many users beliefs. If this package offends him, he should just choose not to install or use it, just as Muslims, Hindu's and atheists wouldn't (under most circumstances) install and/or use bible study tools. So, the reason for my comment is that he is demanding censorship to place favor on his religious system, while completely ignoring everyone else's. I'd like to see a Muslim or a Hindu chim in and request that the bible study packages get removed because they contradict their religious beliefs, and see how he responds. Once he see's how the cencorship will work once it's reversed, maybe he'll learn to be a little more tolerant. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: is that your final decision about removing the game over God
This guy explicitly said censorship is ok in some cases - of course he meant censorship is ok as long as the beliefs of the others are censored. It's very easy talk like this when you were never censored in your life. When you're in a police state and you're beaten to broke your ribs because you took a pic of the wrong statue because you understand their language, you would think twice about it... (it still hurts by the way) BTW, try to track it. It's kinda interesting... On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Shawn McCuan smcc...@gmail.com wrote: Alright, rather than summing it up in that way, I suppose I could make it a little more long winded and more eloquent, although, the exact same meaning ends up being reached. I do however apologize for my unnecessary ad hominem. This guy keeps arguing for something on which he has no logical grounds to support his position. He is merely looking at a program name, demanding censorship, just because he believes that somehow it is belittling to his version of a god. He's not taking into account the hundreds of other gods that the millions of Ubuntu users and developers believe in around the world. I have yet to see any user of a different religion demand that the bible study tools should be removed, although I'm positive they are contrary to many users beliefs. If this package offends him, he should just choose not to install or use it, just as Muslims, Hindu's and atheists wouldn't (under most circumstances) install and/or use bible study tools. So, the reason for my comment is that he is demanding censorship to place favor on his religious system, while completely ignoring everyone else's. I'd like to see a Muslim or a Hindu chim in and request that the bible study packages get removed because they contradict their religious beliefs, and see how he responds. Once he see's how the cencorship will work once it's reversed, maybe he'll learn to be a little more tolerant. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu -- [] Alexandre Strube su...@ubuntu.com -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
