Re: Future of MOTU
Moins, On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:15:45 -0600 Brian J Mingus wrote: > I have run my own (K)Ubuntu repository for four years so your > stereotype must not be completely true. Oh well, this is really...the usual way of doing things. I#m working with software stacks, which aren't inside Debian, Ubuntu, RedHat or OpenSuSE. I'm maintaining repositories with those software for months and years. That's a normal thing. This comes with someones job. Not all software will be pushed into Ubuntu or Debian or whatever distro you use. Maintaining repositories outside the distro landscape is really not the problem. The problem are software packages, where someone wants it in Ubuntu or Debian or whatever distro someone uses. This software package needs to be well maintained and updated/upgraded over time. And this is exactly the problem. A software packager who maintains this package can apply as well for Ubuntu Developer or Debian Developer or Fedora Maintainer or OpenSuSE developer if he or she is ready for that. This implies normally that the newly approved developer will take care about the self made package and about other software packages we have in universe and multiverse. But someone who just wants his or her special software pushed to ubuntu is normally not the type of person who supports it after its pushed to ubuntu. And those packages are rotting in our archives, and after some time, when it doesn't build anymore, we need to find a solution or we remove it from the archive. This is more workload for Ubuntu Developers. If you take care about your packages, you could as well apply as Ubuntu developer, if you want to see your software inside Ubuntu. But from what I see since the last years we have REVU in place, that many packages are not maintained well enough, and many Ubuntu Developers are busy with the packages we merge/sync from Debian during release cycles, so there is no time or no desire to deal with ubuntu only uploaded packages (minus the packages who are ubuntu only but are needed for the Ubuntu OS in general). And really, this is no stereotype, but reality. And it does not only apply for Ubuntu, but for Debian, Fedora or openSuSE or whatever distro is out there. Regards, \sh -- | Stephan '\sh' Hermann| OSS Dev / SysAdmin | | JID: s...@linux-server.org | http://www.sourcecode.de/ | | GPG ID: 0xC098EFA8 | http://leonov.tv/ | | FP: 3D8B 5138 0852 DA7A B83F DCCB C189 E733 C098 EFA8 | -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Future of MOTU
On Friday 26,March,2010 02:15 AM, Brian J Mingus wrote: > [...] > I have run my own (K)Ubuntu repository for four years so your stereotype > must not be completely true. > By "taking care of them afterward", we mean maintaining them within the Ubuntu archives, not in an external repository. There is no point in accepting a package that will just bitrot inside the Ubuntu archives but get maintained well outside. And if you maintain your packages within the Ubuntu archives, then you do not fit into the very definition of "drive-by contributor." -- Kind regards, Chow Loong Jin (GPG: 0x8F02A411) Ubuntu Developer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Future of MOTU
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote: > Moins, > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:33:45 +0100 > Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: > > > On 23/03/2010, at 22.32, Benjamin Drung wrote: > > > > > How many people working on that task and how many Ubuntu packages > > > needs > > > to be ported to Debian? Can we rely on the folks who port Ubuntu > > > packages back into Debian or is this more only a wish? > > > > Porting is not the problem, it's getting the package sponsored in > > Debian. > > I think it's not a problem of sponsoring...many MOTUs are as well DDs > and if this is not the case, we could ask for sponsorship from pitti, > doko or whoever. > This is really not the problem. > > REVU is a nice tool, but the real problem is, then when it comes to > updates, noone is back on that. > > Pushing software into ubuntu is not a difficult problem. But who takes > care about it afterwards? > > MOTUs/Ubuntu developers who are pushing self made packages taking care > about them afterwards, but drive by contributors don't. > > And what is a package worth who nobody cares about? > > Regards, > > \sh > > -- > | Stephan '\sh' Hermann| OSS Dev / SysAdmin | > | JID: s...@linux-server.org | http://www.sourcecode.de/ | > | GPG ID: 0xC098EFA8 | http://leonov.tv/ | > | FP: 3D8B 5138 0852 DA7A B83F DCCB C189 E733 C098 EFA8 | > > I have run my own (K)Ubuntu repository for four years so your stereotype must not be completely true. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Future of MOTU
Moins, On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:33:45 +0100 Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: > On 23/03/2010, at 22.32, Benjamin Drung wrote: > > > How many people working on that task and how many Ubuntu packages > > needs > > to be ported to Debian? Can we rely on the folks who port Ubuntu > > packages back into Debian or is this more only a wish? > > Porting is not the problem, it's getting the package sponsored in > Debian. I think it's not a problem of sponsoring...many MOTUs are as well DDs and if this is not the case, we could ask for sponsorship from pitti, doko or whoever. This is really not the problem. REVU is a nice tool, but the real problem is, then when it comes to updates, noone is back on that. Pushing software into ubuntu is not a difficult problem. But who takes care about it afterwards? MOTUs/Ubuntu developers who are pushing self made packages taking care about them afterwards, but drive by contributors don't. And what is a package worth who nobody cares about? Regards, \sh -- | Stephan '\sh' Hermann| OSS Dev / SysAdmin | | JID: s...@linux-server.org | http://www.sourcecode.de/ | | GPG ID: 0xC098EFA8 | http://leonov.tv/ | | FP: 3D8B 5138 0852 DA7A B83F DCCB C189 E733 C098 EFA8 | -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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