Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Mythbuntu theme Watch Recordings cursor change
John Veness says: > Although we don't want to have any confusion about where the cursor > is, the previous "two cursor" theming was certainly easily visible > from across the room, and easily understandable as to what was the > selected item in the left column. I can't disagree. My objection to this aspect of the theme before I started submitting patches wasn't "two cursors" so much as that there were, in fact, both two cursors (when the focus was on the right) and one cursor (when the focus was on the left). After experimented with both "two cursors" (actually two cursors, this time) and the current "one cursor" I think I will indeed go with two cursors in the next patch, if only to maintain consistency with other aspects of the theme, like MythNews. This may be delayed a bit, though, because of other possible changes to Watch Recordings. -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Mythbuntu theme Watch Recordings cursor change
On 28/08/2012 17:50, Yeechang Lee wrote: No. The theme already pushes the limits of visibility, what with grey text on a black background and all. A dimmer grey is not going to be visible from across the room, and the Mythbuntu theme has always emphasized its usability as part of the prototypical "10-foot interface". I'm just providing suggestions and I don't really mind what's done as long as it works and, as you say, is visible from across the room. But the point is that the current "slightly whiter" text showing the selected item in the left column when the cursor is in the right column does *not*, to my eyes, work from across the room. Although we don't want to have any confusion about where the cursor is, the previous "two cursor" theming was certainly easily visible from across the room, and easily understandable as to what was the selected item in the left column. Surprisingly, some of this is themable. The ability to press PLAY in the group pane is too valuable to change, though, especially when there is only one entry in the recording pane. Well, I still respectfully disagree. I've never pressed Play while the cursor is in the left column, and I think if I did I might expect it to play *all* the items in the right column one after the other (i.e. add them to a playlist). The fact that it would play a "random" item from the right (i.e. the last item that happened to be highlighted on the right, or the first item on the right if navigating to a new item on the left) seems non-obvious to me and doesn't seem like a good thing to encourage. I didn't start using it until 0.25, myself, going so far as to disabling the rudimentary fan art support in earlier versions of the Mythbuntu theme. 0.25 really improves on fan art support, however; I found that fan art appeared for the vast majority of my recordings without having to do anything. This is what motivated me to add full fan art support to the Mythbuntu theme. Thanks for the note. I last tried it prior to 0.25 (I don't remember which version) and found it too intrusive as I like the clean simplicity of the Mythbuntu theme, but I'll give it another go in 0.25. PS - I've pretty much decided to indeed revert the highlighting of the entire focused pane. Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Mythbuntu theme Watch Recordings cursor change
John Veness says: > Thanks for the reply, Yeechang. If an outline doesn't suit the > theme, then maybe a more dim background shading of the selected > left-hand item would do? No. The theme already pushes the limits of visibility, what with grey text on a black background and all. A dimmer grey is not going to be visible from across the room, and the Mythbuntu theme has always emphasized its usability as part of the prototypical "10-foot interface". > I would go so far as to be in favour of *removing* those "features", > although that would probably need MythTV code changes rather than > just in the theme. Surprisingly, some of this is themable. The ability to press PLAY in the group pane is too valuable to change, though, especially when there is only one entry in the recording pane. > For the record, I don't use fanart, so that may effect my opinion. I didn't start using it until 0.25, myself, going so far as to disabling the rudimentary fan art support in earlier versions of the Mythbuntu theme. 0.25 really improves on fan art support, however; I found that fan art appeared for the vast majority of my recordings without having to do anything. This is what motivated me to add full fan art support to the Mythbuntu theme. PS - I've pretty much decided to indeed revert the highlighting of the entire focused pane. -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Mythbuntu theme Watch Recordings cursor change
On 27/08/2012 19:16, Yeechang Lee wrote: (I am speaking strictly for myself.) John Veness says: 1, At least on my TV with my brightness and contrast settings, when the cursor is in the right column, it is very hard to see what the selected item is in the left column. That is, the fact that one entry is slightly whiter than another is not clear. Could instead a more obvious marker stay in the left column when the cursor moves to the right? E.g. an hollow outline around the entry, or an arrow? I considered doing so when modifying the theme, but Mythbuntu's look and feel is one that eschews lines in favor of subtle shapes and shades. That's why the fan art, for example, doesn't have borders. You may prefer to force the left pane to always center the selection. In Mythbuntu/recordings-ui.xml, uncomment line 62 by removing the . The right pane can be similarly adjusted at line 105. Thanks for the reply, Yeechang. If an outline doesn't suit the theme, then maybe a more dim background shading of the selected left-hand item would do? 2, I don't like the way that the previously selected item in the right column retains a partial highlight when the cursor moves left. This is to indicate that when a recording-specific action is performed in the left pane (Pushing PLAY, for example, or pushing MENU twice for Recording Options) that the highlighted recording will be the target. Hmm, personally I never press Play while the cursor is in the left column, I would always move to the right to select a specific item before pressing Play. Similarly, I never press Menu twice, I would instead move into the desired column and then press Menu. I would go so far as to be in favour of *removing* those "features", although that would probably need MythTV code changes rather than just in the theme. 3, (Less important). I don't particularly care for the overall brightening of the left or right columns when the cursor is in the column. It makes the lists too bright for my eyes. In my opinion, the fact that the cursor moves should be sufficient for the user - we don't need anything extra to tell the user where to look. This restores the behavior of an earlier version of the theme. The brightness is the default one (i.e., the grey text is set grey, as opposed to the white text being set white/bright) and is no greater than of the title, description, and other text below. The fan art is often bright enough that using non-dim text to indicate the current pane is desirable. For the record, I don't use fanart, so that may effect my opinion. That said, I am testing a reversion of the above. Stand by. Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Mythbuntu theme Watch Recordings cursor change
(I am speaking strictly for myself.) John Veness says: > 1, At least on my TV with my brightness and contrast settings, when > the cursor is in the right column, it is very hard to see what the > selected item is in the left column. That is, the fact that one > entry is slightly whiter than another is not clear. Could instead a > more obvious marker stay in the left column when the cursor moves to > the right? E.g. an hollow outline around the entry, or an arrow? I considered doing so when modifying the theme, but Mythbuntu's look and feel is one that eschews lines in favor of subtle shapes and shades. That's why the fan art, for example, doesn't have borders. You may prefer to force the left pane to always center the selection. In Mythbuntu/recordings-ui.xml, uncomment line 62 by removing the . The right pane can be similarly adjusted at line 105. > 2, I don't like the way that the previously selected item in the > right column retains a partial highlight when the cursor moves > left. This is to indicate that when a recording-specific action is performed in the left pane (Pushing PLAY, for example, or pushing MENU twice for Recording Options) that the highlighted recording will be the target. > 3, (Less important). I don't particularly care for the overall > brightening of the left or right columns when the cursor is in the > column. It makes the lists too bright for my eyes. In my opinion, > the fact that the cursor moves should be sufficient for the user - > we don't need anything extra to tell the user where to look. This restores the behavior of an earlier version of the theme. The brightness is the default one (i.e., the grey text is set grey, as opposed to the white text being set white/bright) and is no greater than of the title, description, and other text below. The fan art is often bright enough that using non-dim text to indicate the current pane is desirable. That said, I am testing a reversion of the above. Stand by. -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
[ubuntu-mythtv] Mythbuntu theme Watch Recordings cursor change
Hi, Regarding commit https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/Mythbuntu/commit/e45ae3c24065a46648d59069a2f7671ddb429755 , although I agree that it is a very good idea to make the cursor work more like a cursor in Watch Recordings and avoid having two cursor-looking things onscreen at once, I think the current implementation could be improved. 1, At least on my TV with my brightness and contrast settings, when the cursor is in the right column, it is very hard to see what the selected item is in the left column. That is, the fact that one entry is slightly whiter than another is not clear. Could instead a more obvious marker stay in the left column when the cursor moves to the right? E.g. an hollow outline around the entry, or an arrow? 2, I don't like the way that the previously selected item in the right column retains a partial highlight when the cursor moves left. In other words, although I do think we should leave a marker in the left column when we move right, I don't think the opposite is true. 3, (Less important). I don't particularly care for the overall brightening of the left or right columns when the cursor is in the column. It makes the lists too bright for my eyes. In my opinion, the fact that the cursor moves should be sufficient for the user - we don't need anything extra to tell the user where to look. Just because we *can* change colours like this in a theme depending on where the cursor is, doesn't mean that we should. Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
