Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[achba...@gmail.com]

did you know out there that they changed bootloader to ubuntu os? they say it 
on their sites that its will be work on any tablet they want. is it out of the 
rules ? 

Alan Bell  wrote:

>the lack of continuity of supply really does rule out Ubuntu as a 
>platform for doing stuff on, we can't use it for commercial projects if 
>we would  be scrabbling about for B-stock handsets. I do understand that 
>while Canonical is chasing the consumer self-purchased off-contract 
>market they are at the whim of the OEMs but it seems very surprising 
>that they are not opening up other methods of bringing their product to 
>market.
>
>
>Alan.
>
>
>On 26/08/16 14:06, mtx_li...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> FYI, www.Expanses.com.hk have some B-stock Nexus 4's for about £100,
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:27 PM +0800, "Mathijs Veen" 
>> mailto:mathijsv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> @Matthias, your link points to the tablet. The op was asking about phones.
>>
>> The only place that the BQ phones are still available, is the BQ 
>> spanish outlet store
>>
>> https://store.bq.com/es/zona-outlet
>>
>> You might want to  ask BQ if these are even shipped to places outside 
>> spain though.
>>
>> Also be aware that these phones are first-gen Ubuntu phones that will 
>> almost certainly never support external screens and convergence.
>>
>> All this does indeed sadly means that there is no official Ubuntu 
>> phone currently available anymore on the market.
>>
>> The only device that was 'unoficially' leaked and buzzed for a while 
>> is the Meizu Mx6 Ubuntu edition. It seems that images for that device 
>> were even being prepared for a while but these seem now to have 
>> dissapeared.
>> If the Meizu Mx6 is indeed not to be, it would be very helpfull to me 
>> if Canonical could confirm that. I have been holding out for a new 
>> device for quite a while now.
>> If there will be no Mx6 I need to explore other options: Another 
>> secondhand N4 or possible trying to root and reflash a Meizu Pro5 or 
>> even looking at one of the porting projects. All these options are 
>> less then ideal though and means i will be in pionering land for the 
>> foreseeable future
>>
>> Hope to hear.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Mathijs
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Matthias Apitz > > wrote:
>>
>> El día Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 04:11:35PM +0900,
>> achba...@gmail.com  escribió:
>>
>> > hi guys
>> > i hear about it ubuntu touch
>> > but
>> > no one device on the store
>> > why dont you distributed many ubuntu phones for us human all
>> around the world.
>> > do it like samsung phone that wecan easyly found on the store in
>> my town.
>> > just do it i know its will be booming
>>
>> It seems that the store in Germany has them on stock:
>> https://store-de.bq.com/de/tablets/aquarism-10
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[achba...@gmail.com]

some online store cant sell to our country. i dont know why

mtx_li...@hotmail.com wrote:

>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>FYI, www.Expanses.com.hk have some B-stock Nexus 4's for about £100,
>
>
>J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:27 PM +0800, "Mathijs Veen"  
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>@Matthias, your link points to the tablet. The op was asking about phones.
>
>The only place that the BQ phones are still available, is the BQ spanish
>outlet store
>
>https://store.bq.com/es/zona-outlet
>
>You might want to  ask BQ if these are even shipped to places outside spain
>though.
>
>Also be aware that these phones are first-gen Ubuntu phones that will
>almost certainly never support external screens and convergence.
>
>All this does indeed sadly means that there is no official Ubuntu phone
>currently available anymore on the market.
>
>The only device that was 'unoficially' leaked and buzzed for a while is the
>Meizu Mx6 Ubuntu edition. It seems that images for that device were even
>being prepared for a while but these seem now to have dissapeared.
>If the Meizu Mx6 is indeed not to be, it would be very helpfull to me if
>Canonical could confirm that. I have been holding out for a new device for
>quite a while now.
>If there will be no Mx6 I need to explore other options: Another secondhand
>N4 or possible trying to root and reflash a Meizu Pro5 or even looking at
>one of the porting projects. All these options are less then ideal though
>and means i will be in pionering land for the foreseeable future
>
>Hope to hear.
>
>cheers
>
>Mathijs
>
>On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Matthias Apitz  wrote:
>
>> El día Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 04:11:35PM +0900, achba...@gmail.com
>> escribió:
>>
>> > hi guys
>> > i hear about it ubuntu touch
>> > but
>> > no one device on the store
>> > why dont you distributed many ubuntu phones for us human all around the
>> world.
>> > do it like samsung phone that wecan easyly found on the store in my town.
>> > just do it i know its will be booming
>>
>> It seems that the store in Germany has them on stock:
>> https://store-de.bq.com/de/tablets/aquarism-10
>>
>>
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[Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 26.08.16

[Lukasz Zemczak]

Hello everyone,

Multiple landings today before Final Freeze: a new dialer-app, fix for
calendar parser in sync-monitor, a bugfix release for
ubuntu-app-launch, another dialer-app with startup time improvements,
usensord with 'other-vibration' fixes, apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu with
multiple new profiles, new webbrowser-app (fixes for user agent
overrides for Google recaptcha, translation template updates, using
theme colors for UI, loading images needed at startup asynchronously)
and a big release of ubuntu-ui-toolkit (many bugfixes and
improvements).

After today we're officially in OTA-13 Final Freeze. The only landing
exception we see possible right now is the copy-paste functionality
which we might still get into our images next week. But besides that
on Monday morning we will snapshot the overlay state and, hopefully,
start testing the first release candidate.

Have a nice weekend!


* What landed in our images:
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch

#415 rc-proposed/krillin
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/415.commitlog

#409 rc-proposed/vegetahd
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/vegetahd/409.commitlog

#408 rc-proposed/arale
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en/arale/408.commitlog

#174 rc-proposed/frieza
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en/frieza/174.commitlog

#165 rc-proposed/turbo
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu-pd.en/turbo/165.commitlog


* Some useful documentation:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/ReleaseSchedule
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/

https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/
https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/silo-testing
https://lists.launchpad.net/landing-team-changes/
https://lists.launchpad.net/landing-team-changes+1/


* Blocking issues (stable):

None.


* Blocking issues (devel):

None.


* Issues in need of attention:

None.


Cheers,

-- 
Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak
 Foundations Team
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Installing Citrix client (X-apps on Nexus 4)

[Felipe De La Puente]

Hi,

I installed it using the deb package for the latest version (13.3) at:

https://www.citrix.com/downloads/citrix-receiver/linux/receiver-for-linux-latest.html#ctx-dl-eula

This package is installing the Citrix files under /opt, so for my
libertine-container with id "vivid" I found the certificates at:

/home/phablet/.cache/libertine-container/vivid/rootfs/opt/Citrix/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts/

Still haven't tried it, because I don't have an external keyboard for my
Nexus 4 and don't have on-screen Keyboard yet (I believe it's already
available on rc-proposed but I'm on stable)

Let us know how it goes!

Best Regards,
Felipe.


On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Larry Price 
wrote:

> Hi Ari.
>
> Have you looked in "$HOME/.local/share/libertine-container/user-data/vivid"?
> I'm quite interested to see if you can get Citrix working, I think that
> would be quite a feat.
>
> FYI, if you're running on desktop you can build containers using distros
> newer than vivid to get the latest software.
>
> Good luck!
> Larry
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:51 PM Ari Börde Kröyer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have followed the guide by Kyle Nitsche
>> 
>> on installing xapps on Ubuntu Touch and managed to install Libreoffice,
>> Firefox, and now, the Citrix ICAClient.
>>
>> The Citrix client installs nicely. However, I was unable to locate the
>> folder for the CA-certificates. I then chanced connecting to my company's
>> server anyway. The first step (login / authentication) worked fine, but
>> when I subsequently clicked on the icon that is supposed to bring up my
>> desktop, it doesn't work.
>>
>> From previous experience I guessed this might be due to a missing
>> CA-certificate, but I am not sure. Should this be the problem, I would like
>> to copy the missing certificate to the correct folder. However, I am unable
>> to locate it.
>>
>> I have poked around the directory tree of my device a bit, expecting to
>> find a folder named 'vivid' somewhere (name of the libertine container),
>> containing the directory tree where x-apps are installed on the device. So
>> far, though, no luck. Maybe I have misunderstood?
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ari
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[Alan Bell]

the lack of continuity of supply really does rule out Ubuntu as a 
platform for doing stuff on, we can't use it for commercial projects if 
we would  be scrabbling about for B-stock handsets. I do understand that 
while Canonical is chasing the consumer self-purchased off-contract 
market they are at the whim of the OEMs but it seems very surprising 
that they are not opening up other methods of bringing their product to 
market.



Alan.


On 26/08/16 14:06, mtx_li...@hotmail.com wrote:


Hi,

FYI, www.Expanses.com.hk have some B-stock Nexus 4's for about £100,

J




On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:27 PM +0800, "Mathijs Veen" 
mailto:mathijsv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


@Matthias, your link points to the tablet. The op was asking about phones.

The only place that the BQ phones are still available, is the BQ 
spanish outlet store


https://store.bq.com/es/zona-outlet

You might want to  ask BQ if these are even shipped to places outside 
spain though.


Also be aware that these phones are first-gen Ubuntu phones that will 
almost certainly never support external screens and convergence.


All this does indeed sadly means that there is no official Ubuntu 
phone currently available anymore on the market.


The only device that was 'unoficially' leaked and buzzed for a while 
is the Meizu Mx6 Ubuntu edition. It seems that images for that device 
were even being prepared for a while but these seem now to have 
dissapeared.
If the Meizu Mx6 is indeed not to be, it would be very helpfull to me 
if Canonical could confirm that. I have been holding out for a new 
device for quite a while now.
If there will be no Mx6 I need to explore other options: Another 
secondhand N4 or possible trying to root and reflash a Meizu Pro5 or 
even looking at one of the porting projects. All these options are 
less then ideal though and means i will be in pionering land for the 
foreseeable future


Hope to hear.

cheers

Mathijs

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Matthias Apitz > wrote:


El día Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 04:11:35PM +0900,
achba...@gmail.com  escribió:

> hi guys
> i hear about it ubuntu touch
> but
> no one device on the store
> why dont you distributed many ubuntu phones for us human all
around the world.
> do it like samsung phone that wecan easyly found on the store in
my town.
> just do it i know its will be booming

It seems that the store in Germany has them on stock:
https://store-de.bq.com/de/tablets/aquarism-10



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[mtx_lives]

Hi,


FYI, www.Expanses.com.hk have some B-stock Nexus 4's for about £100,


J






On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:27 PM +0800, "Mathijs Veen"  
wrote:





@Matthias, your link points to the tablet. The op was asking about phones.

The only place that the BQ phones are still available, is the BQ spanish
outlet store

https://store.bq.com/es/zona-outlet

You might want to  ask BQ if these are even shipped to places outside spain
though.

Also be aware that these phones are first-gen Ubuntu phones that will
almost certainly never support external screens and convergence.

All this does indeed sadly means that there is no official Ubuntu phone
currently available anymore on the market.

The only device that was 'unoficially' leaked and buzzed for a while is the
Meizu Mx6 Ubuntu edition. It seems that images for that device were even
being prepared for a while but these seem now to have dissapeared.
If the Meizu Mx6 is indeed not to be, it would be very helpfull to me if
Canonical could confirm that. I have been holding out for a new device for
quite a while now.
If there will be no Mx6 I need to explore other options: Another secondhand
N4 or possible trying to root and reflash a Meizu Pro5 or even looking at
one of the porting projects. All these options are less then ideal though
and means i will be in pionering land for the foreseeable future

Hope to hear.

cheers

Mathijs

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Matthias Apitz  wrote:

> El día Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 04:11:35PM +0900, achba...@gmail.com
> escribió:
>
> > hi guys
> > i hear about it ubuntu touch
> > but
> > no one device on the store
> > why dont you distributed many ubuntu phones for us human all around the
> world.
> > do it like samsung phone that wecan easyly found on the store in my town.
> > just do it i know its will be booming
>
> It seems that the store in Germany has them on stock:
> https://store-de.bq.com/de/tablets/aquarism-10
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] content hub

[Renato Filho]

Hey Wayne,

We know about this problem, and a fix for this is landing.  You can
follow the landing process on silo 70[1].

[1] https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1863

Regards
Renato

On 26 de agosto de 2016 06:58, Wayne Ward  wrote:
> Morning guys anybody else suffering the same broken content hub on there
> device on proposed like my HDE5 and M10 If so is there a bug number
> Regrads
> Wayne
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[Mathijs Veen]

Thnks Giovano but not to worry! I took no offence to Nathan whatsover. I
know him to be very helpfull and knowlegable generally in the Ubuntu fora.
And I have learnt not to be too thin skinned in discussions in open source
:D
Actually, I would say that Ubuntu is on the whole still one of the most
civilized and on-topic foss community projects that I frequent.
All good!

cheers

Mathijs


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Giovano Iannotti 
wrote:

> Hi, guys,
>
> Sorry to interrupt.
> I don't know if you know each other.
> If not, I found Nathan very rude. I am a Ubuntu user who bought both bq
> 4.5 and m10, because I like Linux and have been using Ubuntu since ever.
> That's my way to help Ubuntu and Linux communities and fight against the
> big corporations.
> I think Mathijs had an innocent question and a very understandable
> concern. He already bought 3 mobiles to use Ubuntu touch. I didn't see him
> as someone trying to undermine anything, or trying to induce Cannonical's
> employees to give him privileged information, betray the company. I would
> like to know it myself. Eventually, my wife will switch to Ubuntu touch
> also.
> What kind of answer is this: "t's usually *illegal* to leak this
> information because of SEC and other stock regulations."? Well, I may be
> very stupid, but I never thought that trying to know if some company will
> launch a product, as a final consumer, could be a crime. Besides, I don't
> know and don't wanna know what is SEC and what are the stock regulations. I
> don't care. I care about an OS that is free and is offering alternatives to
> real people's lives in a very destructive capitalist system. I care about
> collectivism, friendship, being respectful. Otherwise, I would use an
> Apple, Microsoft of Google product.
> I felt outraged with the tone of the answer. I am not sure why to try to
> make Mathijs look as a selfish, irresponsible person. The same answer could
> be given in a more polite way.
>
> On the other hand, if you know each other, I apologize.
>
>
> Wish you all the best and thanks for developing Ubuntu. It is an excellent
> OS and I have faith that Ubuntu touch will become an excellent system too.
> Don't give up!
>
>
> Giovano
>
>
>
> 2016-08-26 21:14 GMT+10:00 Mathijs Veen :
>
>> hi Nathan
>>
>> Who said I was upset :) ? I didn't. In fact I think I am very relaxed
>> about it. Just trying to get the maximum info that I can before deciding on
>> a new device for myself.
>>
>> I need a new phone after having run down 2 n4's, and a  bq e45. I would
>> really love it to be another Ubuntu phone but i'd hate to have shelled out
>> a 100 euros for a sec hand N4 or Oneplus one or whatever and discovering
>> that a month later a new supported phone hits the market. Dont blame me too
>> much for asking ;)
>>
>> Thanks for your response non the less
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Mathijs
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Nathan Haines 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/26/2016 03:21 AM, Mathijs Veen wrote:
>>>
 Hi Nathan,

 Canonical has *very* little to do with this.  Everything is up to OEMs
> and carriers.  So you'll need to rely on Bq or Meizu for any kind of
> definitive information.
>

 I know that that is the official response when pppl ask about a possible
 new device on the cards. And I appreciate that such an announcement
 would certainly be up to oems.
 But if a device is actualy *not* being worked on (anymore) by Canonical,
 Why shouldnt that be ok for Canonical to say so? Just like I would
 expect Canonical to be in a position to confirm it is NOT currently
 developing an Ubuntu edition of say a Lumia 640.

>>>
>>> Because there's no way for them to know.  The ultimate fate--launch,
>>> suspension, reevaluation, cancellation, etc.--literally depends on the
>>> OEM.  In the cellular industry (as with all others), the contracts come
>>> with non-disclosure agreements.  The OEM's business department decides
>>> whether or not device development will begin, at what specs, at what launch
>>> target, and then when that is contractually locked down, they will
>>> determine the continuing status.  The OEM's marketing department will be in
>>> charge of any announcements, on what channels, and in what shape
>>> communications will form.
>>>
>>> i am of course refering to the vanishing Midori images. Also, at least
 some of the buzz of months past about the MX6 must have originated from
 Canonical sources ;)

>>>
>>> No, there's no reason to think that.  Chinese vendors often leak
>>> information as a way of measuring interest.  If so, this was something that
>>> Meizu did.
>>>
>>> But we have seen no more news or hints for months
 now. So if the MX6 is -for some reason- no more, it would be cool -and
 really practical info for me and a lot of others- if that could be
 confirmed.

>>>
>>> The MX6 never *was*.  In fact, this is exactly my point--you have made a
>>> decision based on a rumor

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] OS and apps can't update

[Simplehuman]

Bug report: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1617290


No ideas how to fix this?

25.08.2016 12:25, Lukasz Zemczak пишет:

Hello!

That's indeed interesting. There has been a rework of the update panel
in system-settings lately IIRC so maybe this is related. Maybe it
would be a good idea to fill in a bug against ubuntu-system-settings.
Are you sure you are on #173? From what I see on system-image the
cooler device in the rc-proposed channel is currently on image #119,
with frieza (the M10) being on #174 now.

Anyway, if you know that you're not on the latest touch image and
don't see an image update notification, could you try running
`system-image-cli -n -vv` on the device and paste us the output? This
way we'll at least know if the system-image parts are working, with
maybe only issues with the panel not correctly displaying the current
status.

Cheers,


On 25 August 2016 at 10:51, Simplehuman  wrote:

Yes, it finish checking for updates and show that there is nothing to
update. But there are updates for apps, at least.

25.08.2016 11:15, nick luigi eusebio пишет:

Does it finish checking for updates?
I also have rc-proposed on my Nexus 7 and it's stuck at "Checking for
updates..."
Probably a bug on the latest build.



From: Simplehuman 
To: Ubuntu Phone 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:55 AM
Subject: [Ubuntu-phone] OS and apps can't update

Hello, I have a problem on my M10 FHD (Cooler) witch is on rc-proposed
channel (r173 now). I can't receive any updates for system image or any
installed app. I even receive a notify in message indicator, but when I
open update manager it searches for updates and found nothing. There
should be updates at least for some apps for 100%. Rebooting and
shutdowning device didn't help. My Meizu MX4 is updating normally with
the same network connection.

How this can be fixed? Maybe some cache files are broken?


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[Mathijs Veen]

hi Nathan

Who said I was upset :) ? I didn't. In fact I think I am very relaxed about
it. Just trying to get the maximum info that I can before deciding on a new
device for myself.

I need a new phone after having run down 2 n4's, and a  bq e45. I would
really love it to be another Ubuntu phone but i'd hate to have shelled out
a 100 euros for a sec hand N4 or Oneplus one or whatever and discovering
that a month later a new supported phone hits the market. Dont blame me too
much for asking ;)

Thanks for your response non the less

cheers

Mathijs

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Nathan Haines  wrote:

> On 08/26/2016 03:21 AM, Mathijs Veen wrote:
>
>> Hi Nathan,
>>
>> Canonical has *very* little to do with this.  Everything is up to OEMs
>>> and carriers.  So you'll need to rely on Bq or Meizu for any kind of
>>> definitive information.
>>>
>>
>> I know that that is the official response when pppl ask about a possible
>> new device on the cards. And I appreciate that such an announcement
>> would certainly be up to oems.
>> But if a device is actualy *not* being worked on (anymore) by Canonical,
>> Why shouldnt that be ok for Canonical to say so? Just like I would
>> expect Canonical to be in a position to confirm it is NOT currently
>> developing an Ubuntu edition of say a Lumia 640.
>>
>
> Because there's no way for them to know.  The ultimate fate--launch,
> suspension, reevaluation, cancellation, etc.--literally depends on the
> OEM.  In the cellular industry (as with all others), the contracts come
> with non-disclosure agreements.  The OEM's business department decides
> whether or not device development will begin, at what specs, at what launch
> target, and then when that is contractually locked down, they will
> determine the continuing status.  The OEM's marketing department will be in
> charge of any announcements, on what channels, and in what shape
> communications will form.
>
> i am of course refering to the vanishing Midori images. Also, at least
>> some of the buzz of months past about the MX6 must have originated from
>> Canonical sources ;)
>>
>
> No, there's no reason to think that.  Chinese vendors often leak
> information as a way of measuring interest.  If so, this was something that
> Meizu did.
>
> But we have seen no more news or hints for months
>> now. So if the MX6 is -for some reason- no more, it would be cool -and
>> really practical info for me and a lot of others- if that could be
>> confirmed.
>>
>
> The MX6 never *was*.  In fact, this is exactly my point--you have made a
> decision based on a rumor without an announcement.  Now, that's up to you,
> but I would never recommend it.  It's a very foolish thing to do.
>
> Now imagine that an OEM (or worse, Canonical, who has no say in whether a
> device launches or not) makes an announcement before things have been
> determined and budgeted.  How much more upset will you be if you make a
> decision based on that?
>
> You're asking Canonical to undermine their partners in a most professional
> way.  You're upset that OEMs don't undermine themselves in a very
> professional way.  You're asking about an imaginary device that was never
> announced.  Maybe they ran some tests and decided that the phone's hardware
> wasn't compatible, or wasn't powerful enough, or wasn't profitable enough,
> or any number of reasons a company might not continue development on a
> model.  Maybe the MX25 is coming out next week and they shifted focus to
> that.  In any case, if work was done on midori, it wasn't announced and we
> can see that in general this is for good reason.  In fact, it's usually
> *illegal* to leak this information because of SEC and other stock
> regulations.
>
> Business just doesn't work that way.  And OEMs don't necessarily tell
> Canonical anything at all, much less in a timely manner.  In the meantime,
> you're on this list asking developers who don't work for Canonical for
> inside information.
>
> This is a pretty good rant, and it's not all directed at you.  I'm
> explaining this in detail because "Why doesn't Canonical derelict their
> contractual obligations by committing securities fraud, trading insider
> information, and betraying and undermining their commercial partners plans
> and market advantage so that I, personally, can be excited about a phone
> before it's certain that it will be released?" is a question that comes up
> a lot.  So I'm elaborating to give others something to think about.
>
> The answer is because there's *zero* reason to do so, and a lot of very
> expensive legal reasons not to do so, even if anybody *would* work with
> Canonical again if they did.
>
> I understand the excitement, and I've wanted to ask colleagues at
> Canonical as well when I have the privilege of seeing them in person.  I
> don't ask, because they don't know and it's an extremely unreasonable
> question.
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[Nathan Haines]

On 08/26/2016 03:21 AM, Mathijs Veen wrote:

Hi Nathan,


Canonical has *very* little to do with this.  Everything is up to OEMs
and carriers.  So you'll need to rely on Bq or Meizu for any kind of
definitive information.


I know that that is the official response when pppl ask about a possible
new device on the cards. And I appreciate that such an announcement
would certainly be up to oems.
But if a device is actualy *not* being worked on (anymore) by Canonical,
Why shouldnt that be ok for Canonical to say so? Just like I would
expect Canonical to be in a position to confirm it is NOT currently
developing an Ubuntu edition of say a Lumia 640.


Because there's no way for them to know.  The ultimate fate--launch, 
suspension, reevaluation, cancellation, etc.--literally depends on the 
OEM.  In the cellular industry (as with all others), the contracts come 
with non-disclosure agreements.  The OEM's business department decides 
whether or not device development will begin, at what specs, at what 
launch target, and then when that is contractually locked down, they 
will determine the continuing status.  The OEM's marketing department 
will be in charge of any announcements, on what channels, and in what 
shape communications will form.



i am of course refering to the vanishing Midori images. Also, at least
some of the buzz of months past about the MX6 must have originated from
Canonical sources ;)


No, there's no reason to think that.  Chinese vendors often leak 
information as a way of measuring interest.  If so, this was something 
that Meizu did.



But we have seen no more news or hints for months
now. So if the MX6 is -for some reason- no more, it would be cool -and
really practical info for me and a lot of others- if that could be
confirmed.


The MX6 never *was*.  In fact, this is exactly my point--you have made a 
decision based on a rumor without an announcement.  Now, that's up to 
you, but I would never recommend it.  It's a very foolish thing to do.


Now imagine that an OEM (or worse, Canonical, who has no say in whether 
a device launches or not) makes an announcement before things have been 
determined and budgeted.  How much more upset will you be if you make a 
decision based on that?


You're asking Canonical to undermine their partners in a most 
professional way.  You're upset that OEMs don't undermine themselves in 
a very professional way.  You're asking about an imaginary device that 
was never announced.  Maybe they ran some tests and decided that the 
phone's hardware wasn't compatible, or wasn't powerful enough, or wasn't 
profitable enough, or any number of reasons a company might not continue 
development on a model.  Maybe the MX25 is coming out next week and they 
shifted focus to that.  In any case, if work was done on midori, it 
wasn't announced and we can see that in general this is for good reason. 
 In fact, it's usually *illegal* to leak this information because of 
SEC and other stock regulations.


Business just doesn't work that way.  And OEMs don't necessarily tell 
Canonical anything at all, much less in a timely manner.  In the 
meantime, you're on this list asking developers who don't work for 
Canonical for inside information.


This is a pretty good rant, and it's not all directed at you.  I'm 
explaining this in detail because "Why doesn't Canonical derelict their 
contractual obligations by committing securities fraud, trading insider 
information, and betraying and undermining their commercial partners 
plans and market advantage so that I, personally, can be excited about a 
phone before it's certain that it will be released?" is a question that 
comes up a lot.  So I'm elaborating to give others something to think about.


The answer is because there's *zero* reason to do so, and a lot of very 
expensive legal reasons not to do so, even if anybody *would* work with 
Canonical again if they did.


I understand the excitement, and I've wanted to ask colleagues at 
Canonical as well when I have the privilege of seeing them in person.  I 
don't ask, because they don't know and it's an extremely unreasonable 
question.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[Mathijs Veen]

Hi Nathan,

Canonical has *very* little to do with this.  Everything is up to OEMs and
carriers.  So you'll need to rely on Bq or Meizu for any kind of definitive
information.

I know that that is the official response when pppl ask about a possible
new device on the cards. And I appreciate that such an announcement would
certainly be up to oems.
But if a device is actualy *not* being worked on (anymore) by Canonical,
Why shouldnt that be ok for Canonical to say so? Just like I would expect
Canonical to be in a position to confirm it is NOT currently developing an
Ubuntu edition of say a Lumia 640.

i am of course refering to the vanishing Midori images. Also, at least some
of the buzz of months past about the MX6 must have originated from
Canonical sources ;) But we have seen no more news or hints for months now.
So if the MX6 is -for some reason- no more, it would be cool -and really
practical info for me and a lot of others- if that could be confirmed.


cheers

Mathijs

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thurel  wrote:

> As far as I know, there's a port for the OnePlus One available in the
> forums.
> It could be nice to give it a try knowing the ease to flash that device.
> As soon as I can change my phone, I'll flash my OPO with UT.
>
> On the other hand, looks like there are no more Ubuntu phones about
> (previous links say out of stock).
>
> It might need a bit more demonstration to catch the OEMs' eyes. We can't
> really blame the phone makes if there's no visible market.
>
> Nick
>
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 at 11:38 Matthias Apitz  wrote:
>
>> El día Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 10:27:29AM +0200, Mathijs Veen
>> escribió:
>>
>> > @Matthias, your link points to the tablet. The op was asking about
>> phones.
>>
>> Sorry for that confusion. When I do read 'ubuntu touch' device, I tend
>> to think in tablet.
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[Nicholas Thurel]

As far as I know, there's a port for the OnePlus One available in the
forums.
It could be nice to give it a try knowing the ease to flash that device. As
soon as I can change my phone, I'll flash my OPO with UT.

On the other hand, looks like there are no more Ubuntu phones about
(previous links say out of stock).

It might need a bit more demonstration to catch the OEMs' eyes. We can't
really blame the phone makes if there's no visible market.

Nick

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 at 11:38 Matthias Apitz  wrote:

> El día Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 10:27:29AM +0200, Mathijs Veen
> escribió:
>
> > @Matthias, your link points to the tablet. The op was asking about
> phones.
>
> Sorry for that confusion. When I do read 'ubuntu touch' device, I tend
> to think in tablet.
>
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[Ubuntu-phone] content hub

[Wayne Ward]

Morning guys anybody else suffering the same broken content hub on there 
device on proposed like my HDE5 and M10 
If so is there a bug number 


Regrads
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

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On 08/26/2016 01:27 AM, Mathijs Veen wrote:

If there will be no Mx6 I need to explore other options: Another
secondhand N4 or possible trying to root and reflash a Meizu Pro5 or
even looking at one of the porting projects. All these options are less
then ideal though and means i will be in pionering land for the
foreseeable future


Canonical has *very* little to do with this.  Everything is up to OEMs 
and carriers.  So you'll need to rely on Bq or Meizu for any kind of 
definitive information.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

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El d�a Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 10:27:29AM +0200, Mathijs Veen escribi�:

> @Matthias, your link points to the tablet. The op was asking about phones.

Sorry for that confusion. When I do read 'ubuntu touch' device, I tend
to think in tablet.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

[Mathijs Veen]

@Matthias, your link points to the tablet. The op was asking about phones.

The only place that the BQ phones are still available, is the BQ spanish
outlet store

https://store.bq.com/es/zona-outlet

You might want to  ask BQ if these are even shipped to places outside spain
though.

Also be aware that these phones are first-gen Ubuntu phones that will
almost certainly never support external screens and convergence.

All this does indeed sadly means that there is no official Ubuntu phone
currently available anymore on the market.

The only device that was 'unoficially' leaked and buzzed for a while is the
Meizu Mx6 Ubuntu edition. It seems that images for that device were even
being prepared for a while but these seem now to have dissapeared.
If the Meizu Mx6 is indeed not to be, it would be very helpfull to me if
Canonical could confirm that. I have been holding out for a new device for
quite a while now.
If there will be no Mx6 I need to explore other options: Another secondhand
N4 or possible trying to root and reflash a Meizu Pro5 or even looking at
one of the porting projects. All these options are less then ideal though
and means i will be in pionering land for the foreseeable future

Hope to hear.

cheers

Mathijs

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Matthias Apitz  wrote:

> El día Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 04:11:35PM +0900, achba...@gmail.com
> escribió:
>
> > hi guys
> > i hear about it ubuntu touch
> > but
> > no one device on the store
> > why dont you distributed many ubuntu phones for us human all around the
> world.
> > do it like samsung phone that wecan easyly found on the store in my town.
> > just do it i know its will be booming
>
> It seems that the store in Germany has them on stock:
> https://store-de.bq.com/de/tablets/aquarism-10
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

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El día Friday, August 26, 2016 a las 04:11:35PM +0900, achba...@gmail.com 
escribió:

> hi guys
> i hear about it ubuntu touch
> but
> no one device on the store 
> why dont you distributed many ubuntu phones for us human all around the 
> world. 
> do it like samsung phone that wecan easyly found on the store in my town.
> just do it i know its will be booming

It seems that the store in Germany has them on stock:
https://store-de.bq.com/de/tablets/aquarism-10


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[Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes

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hi guys
i hear about it ubuntu touch
but
no one device on the store 
why dont you distributed many ubuntu phones for us human all around the world. 
do it like samsung phone that wecan easyly found on the store in my town.
just do it i know its will be booming
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