Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Unix One]

On 04/05/2017 11:34 AM, Seth Ciango wrote:

>   * How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?

I'm not sure this is the right path - I'm not sure how much GNOME has 
for mobile/touch interfaces. I think Qt/QML was the right choice, just 
not Unity/Mir - which ended up too much of an undertaking. I guess I 
wish there was more collaboration and standardization among different 
parties instead of everyone doing their own thing - Canonical, 
Sailfish/Jolla, Plasma Mobile.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Nick Luigi V. Eusebio]

This could be the best time to call for Unity!
We should stand united 


On Thursday, April 6, 2017 8:05:18 AM PHT, Filip Dorosz 
 wrote:

Hello all.

As we are all dead man walking

I'm also interested in continuing what was started here.

We must not let the spirit die!

Cheers,
Filip.

W dniu 05.04.2017 o 20:34, Seth Ciango pisze:

This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be
Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the
future of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the
community on this.

  * Who is willing to stick around?
  * How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
  * What current phones on the market could the community target based
upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?

We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been
amazing and is greatly appreciated.

We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our
lives. Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else.
Hours that we could have spent with friends and family or on other
projects.

We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of
freedom and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options.
They represent tyranny and forced conformity.

I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done.
I am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom
and choice to those who want it.




/"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an art
that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few,
content with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to
heart, Lucilius, that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the
applause of the majority."/
/
/
/Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII/








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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Setting up a developer environment

[amon]

Thanks for the responses.

I'm only able to work this an hour or so here and there, so it
may take awhile to reach my goal.

Yesterday and today I tried to get an external disk mounted via
USB on the M10. No joy. I tried 2,3 and 4TB disks. I have a
special cable that connects to the M10's USB port and has a
female standard USB on the other side. I've tried connecting
a disk direct to this; I have also instead connected a USB
hub to that and then plugged the drive into the hub.

I know the hub is working because I have a keyboard and mouse
on it and the M10 recognizes them. However, it does not appear
to even notice the drives are there. Nothing shows up in /dev/sd*
other than the onboard sda; unfortunately there is no lsusb
command available so I have not yet figured out how to check
to see if the USB subsystem even sees it. I'm sure one of the
/proc files has the info and I will look tomorrow.

Every disk I have tried 'lights up', so they are at least
getting powered by the M10.

Any suggestions? I know this works if you get the cables right
because I had it working a year ago. Unfortunately something
important is missing from my notes because I am unable (so far)
to replicate.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Kristijan Žic]

There are some promising news on that front by Marius Gripsgard.

He posted this on google plus:
"I'm not giving up! I will do my best to keep Ubuntu touch and Unity8
standing on both it's legs! It will be hard. The Ubuntu touch wheel is
still spinning, and it has enough momentum to spin until we start spinning
it with hopefully with greater force. Expect some news and idea drafts from
the Ubports team in the coming weeks."

Here is the link:
https://plus.google.com/110699558853693437587/posts/7RHujp9u7oW

On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, 2:05 a.m. Filip Dorosz, 
wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> As we are all dead man walking
>
> I'm also interested in continuing what was started here.
>
> We must not let the spirit die!
>
> Cheers,
> Filip.
>
> W dniu 05.04.2017 o 20:34, Seth Ciango pisze:
> > This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be
> > Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the
> > future of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the
> > community on this.
> >
> >   * Who is willing to stick around?
> >   * How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
> >   * What current phones on the market could the community target based
> > upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?
> >
> > We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
> > getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been
> > amazing and is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our
> > lives. Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else.
> > Hours that we could have spent with friends and family or on other
> > projects.
> >
> > We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of
> > freedom and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options.
> > They represent tyranny and forced conformity.
> >
> > I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done.
> > I am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom
> > and choice to those who want it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > /"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an art
> > that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few,
> > content with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to
> > heart, Lucilius, that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the
> > applause of the majority."/
> > /
> > /
> > /Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII/
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Filip Dorosz]

Hello all.

As we are all dead man walking

I'm also interested in continuing what was started here.

We must not let the spirit die!

Cheers,
Filip.

W dniu 05.04.2017 o 20:34, Seth Ciango pisze:

This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be
Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the
future of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the
community on this.

  * Who is willing to stick around?
  * How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
  * What current phones on the market could the community target based
upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?

We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been
amazing and is greatly appreciated.

We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our
lives. Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else.
Hours that we could have spent with friends and family or on other
projects.

We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of
freedom and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options.
They represent tyranny and forced conformity.

I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done.
I am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom
and choice to those who want it.




/"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an art
that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few,
content with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to
heart, Lucilius, that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the
applause of the majority."/
/
/
/Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII/




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Mitchell Reese]

I'm interested, willing to wait and see what happens.

M


On 06/04/17 04:34, Seth Ciango wrote:
This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be 
Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the 
future of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the 
community on this.


  * Who is willing to stick around?
  * How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
  * What current phones on the market could the community target based
upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?

We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them 
for getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been 
amazing and is greatly appreciated.


We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our 
lives. Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else. 
Hours that we could have spent with friends and family or on other 
projects.


We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of 
freedom and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options. 
They represent tyranny and forced conformity.


I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been 
done. I am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving 
freedom and choice to those who want it.





/"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an 
art that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few, 
content with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to 
heart, Lucilius, that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the 
applause of the majority."/

/
/
/Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII/





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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Ed Kapitein]

Hi Seth,

I love your approach to this!
If canonical would give us a kernel and drivers for the hardware, we 
could take it from there.
I would need a X driver ( not mir ), a driver for the sound hardware, a 
driver for the modem ( serial + AT commands ? ) and drivers for the 
other parts.

( wifi, usb, bluetooth etc )
I'd love to start hacking once the hardware drivers are available.

Do you think this is something that is achievable ?

Kind regards,
Ed


On 04/05/17 20:34, Seth Ciango wrote:
This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be 
Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the 
future of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the 
community on this.


  * Who is willing to stick around?
  * How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
  * What current phones on the market could the community target based
upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?

We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them 
for getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been 
amazing and is greatly appreciated.


We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our 
lives. Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else. 
Hours that we could have spent with friends and family or on other 
projects.


We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of 
freedom and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options. 
They represent tyranny and forced conformity.


I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been 
done. I am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving 
freedom and choice to those who want it.





/"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an 
art that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few, 
content with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to 
heart, Lucilius, that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the 
applause of the majority."/

/
/
/Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII/




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Kristijan Žic]

I hope for that as well! I'm prepared to contribute my share.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:51 PM A. James Lewis  wrote:

> I definitely hope the work can be continued as an independent project
>
> On 05/04/17 19:34, Seth Ciango wrote:
>
> This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be Snap
> only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the future of
> this project. The developer team needs to speak to the community on this.
>
>- Who is willing to stick around?
>- How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
>- What current phones on the market could the community target based
>upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?
>
> We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
> getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been amazing
> and is greatly appreciated.
>
> We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our lives.
> Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else. Hours that we
> could have spent with friends and family or on other projects.
>
> We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of freedom
> and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options. They
> represent tyranny and forced conformity.
>
> I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done. I
> am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom and
> choice to those who want it.
>
>
>
>
> *"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an art
> that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few, content
> with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to heart, Lucilius,
> that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the applause of the
> majority."*
>
> *Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII*
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Kristijan Žic]

Unity OS?

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:22 PM Kristijan Žic 
wrote:

> I hope for that as well! I'm prepared to contribute my share.
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:51 PM A. James Lewis  wrote:
>
>> I definitely hope the work can be continued as an independent project
>>
>> On 05/04/17 19:34, Seth Ciango wrote:
>>
>> This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be
>> Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the future
>> of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the community on
>> this.
>>
>>- Who is willing to stick around?
>>- How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
>>- What current phones on the market could the community target based
>>upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?
>>
>> We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
>> getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been amazing
>> and is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our lives.
>> Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else. Hours that we
>> could have spent with friends and family or on other projects.
>>
>> We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of freedom
>> and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options. They
>> represent tyranny and forced conformity.
>>
>> I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done. I
>> am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom and
>> choice to those who want it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an art
>> that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few, content
>> with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to heart, Lucilius,
>> that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the applause of the
>> majority."*
>>
>> *Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> built perfectly good brick walls long before they knew why cement works."
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[A. James Lewis]

I definitely hope the work can be continued as an independent project

On 05/04/17 19:34, Seth Ciango wrote:
This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be 
Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the 
future of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the 
community on this.


  * Who is willing to stick around?
  * How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
  * What current phones on the market could the community target based
upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?

We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them 
for getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been 
amazing and is greatly appreciated.


We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our 
lives. Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else. 
Hours that we could have spent with friends and family or on other 
projects.


We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of 
freedom and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options. 
They represent tyranny and forced conformity.


I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been 
done. I am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving 
freedom and choice to those who want it.





/"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an 
art that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few, 
content with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to 
heart, Lucilius, that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the 
applause of the majority."/

/
/
/Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII/





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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] This is it...

[Murphy, Mark]

On 2017-04-05 20:27, Roman Shchekin wrote:

> Yes, looks like dead end. 
> Thanks to everyone. It was a very interesting journey! 
> 
> Anyway little bit shocked that Mir and Unity8​ are about to close to, not 
> just Ubuntu Phone. 
> 
> Francisco Pina Martins  | От: 5 апр. 2017 г. 20:26 | 
> Сообщение:
> 
>> It's been one hell of a ride, but I guess this is it...
>> Thanks for all the fish, I guess...
>> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>> 
>> Francisco

Mark Shuttleworth probably said it best when he said that they were
riding a wave bigger than them. At least all of Canonical's innovation
will live on through those who managed to ride the wave to the end. It's
just an awful pity that those who have lasted the journey so far do not
have freedom in their mindsets. Maybe the FSF's call for a FLOSS mobile
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] This is it...

[A. James Lewis]

Did someone post the April Fools post a few days late?

On 05/04/17 18:25, Francisco Pina Martins wrote:

It's been one hell of a ride, but I guess this is it...
Thanks for all the fish, I guess...
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/

Francisco




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Matthias Apitz]

El día miércoles, abril 05, 2017 a las 08:23:54p. m. +0100, A. James Lewis 
escribió:

> On 05/04/17 16:16, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >
> >>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Mitchell Reese
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days -
>  arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! ...
> >
> > And why have you switched to this at all? I'm hoping that my BQ E4.5
> > wiil last until the next generation of Linux devices.  Since 2008 I'm
> > only using OS mobiles...
> >
> > ma
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Well, that's a question I can answer  Click was the first generation 
> of the package format required to meet the unique requirements of a 
> mobile device such as application isolation etc

You have not answered my question "And why have you switched to this
(crappy Android) at all?" Or, I could not understand your answer.

ma

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Andrew Penkrat]

I really liked the idea of convergence. Ubuntu Phone also served me as a
good fallback alternative for Sailfish OS. Now there's no choice for mobile
and no convergent Linux at all which makes me sad.

Some info for those interested in switching to Sailfish now:

   - Small list of officially supported devices at https://jolla.com/
   - Sailfish for Sony Xperia devices (starting with Xperia X) to become
   available in June
   - If you're ready to devote your time to porting Sailfish to your phone,
   there's a porting guide here https://sailfishos.org/develop/hadk/ and
   you're likely to find help at #sailfishos-porters IRC channel on freenode

Best regards,
Andrew

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 21:32 Eran Benjamin  wrote:

>
> When he says ditching unity, does he also mean the unity desktop?
> I actually like the unity desktop, there are many distros with good
> gnome desktops, I use ubuntu as desktop mainly because unity has matured
> nicely.
>
> Now, if only someone found a way to install sailfish on those reasonably
> priced BQ's or Wileyfoxs...
> But I guess I will have to find their mailing list now.
>
> Thanks to Shuttleworth and the Canonical teams for the attempt.
>
>
>
> On 05-04-17 19:48, Nicolas Delvaux wrote:
> > This is especially confusing since just today there was another blog
> > post explaining what is being worked on for Ubuntu 18.04 regarding X
> > apps in a Unity 8/Mir world.
> > http://gould.cx/ted/blog/2017/04/05/X11-apps-on-Ubuntu-Personal/
> >
> > So even Canonical employees were not informed of this?
> >
> > Mark's post lacks details though. What will happen of Unity 7? Mir?
> > And how switching back to Gnome by default reflects on the stated will
> > to invest on the desktop? Because it may also be interpreted as "ditch
> > the current default Ubuntu and replace it by Ubuntu Gnome".
> >
> > I hope some clarifications will come.
> >
> >
> > Le 05/04/2017 à 19:28, miguel pires a écrit :
> >>
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> >>
> >> /This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth/
> >>
> >>
> >> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> >> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> >> desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> >>
> >> WTF
> >
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] This is it...

[Roman Shchekin]

Yes, looks like dead end.
Thanks to everyone. It was a very interesting journey!

Anyway little bit shocked that Mir and Unity8​ are about to close to, not just Ubuntu Phone.

Francisco Pina Martins  | От: 5 апр. 2017 г. 20:26 | Сообщение:It's been one hell of a ride, but I guess this is it...Thanks for all the fish, I guess...https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/Francisco
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[A. James Lewis]

On 05/04/17 16:16, Matthias Apitz wrote:



On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Mitchell Reese

wrote:


So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days -
arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! ...


And why have you switched to this at all? I'm hoping that my BQ E4.5
wiil last until the next generation of Linux devices.  Since 2008 I'm
only using OS mobiles...

ma





Well, that's a question I can answer  Click was the first generation 
of the package format required to meet the unique requirements of a 
mobile device such as application isolation etc


Over time, and with the introduction of the Unity 8 desktop mode, it 
became clear that features were needed that Click could not satisfy 
so "Click v2.0" was produced (called Snap)... which resolved some of the 
issues with the phone, and also met the requirements to deploy the same 
package format on the new Unity 8 desktop.


The phone has pressed on with Click, because switching between the two 
is quite hard... but the desktop has been moving forward with Snap


This issue is the reason that the phone is still based on the 15.04 core 
OS... since later OS releases have Snap built in, and would be 
incompatible with the older Click system.


At some point of course, it will need a clean break with new devices 
using the Snap format...  Older devices may, or may not be able to be 
re-flashed with a Snap image, since currently only 64 bit systems are 
supported.



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[NeoTheThird]

Me too. It looks good and behaves exactly the way i need it to. Sad to 
see it go. I never got why so many people hated it.



On 05.04.2017 21:16, ajalkane wrote:
Actually, I have to add that not withstanding Ubuntu Phone, I am 
personally affected because I actually like Unity.


On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:15 PM, ajalkane > wrote:


I'm sad because I always was huge fan of Ubuntu Phone's dedication
to open source. I'm not surprised because they were (in my opinion
unnecessarily) doing too much and going too much against the grain
considering where rest of Linux ecosystem was headed, and it was
clear that this kind of approach would cost quite much in monetary
sense and couldn't go on.. I'm personally unaffected, because the
choices Ubuntu Touch made were for me personally untenable, and I
always considered SailfishOS a better fit for my usage patterns
and for my ideology of how a phone OS should behave.

So where to go next, I personally recommend checking out
SailfishOS. They will have a release during summer for Sony Xperia
X, keep an eye out for that.


On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Vincas Dargis > wrote:



2017.04.05 20:56, Jamie Gunn rašė:

Sad news, so where do we go now?


Could it be https://plasma-mobile.org/ ?


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[ajalkane]

Actually, I have to add that not withstanding Ubuntu Phone, I am personally
affected because I actually like Unity.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:15 PM, ajalkane  wrote:

> I'm sad because I always was huge fan of Ubuntu Phone's dedication to open
> source. I'm not surprised because they were (in my opinion unnecessarily)
> doing too much and going too much against the grain considering where rest
> of Linux ecosystem was headed, and it was clear that this kind of approach
> would cost quite much in monetary sense and couldn't go on.. I'm personally
> unaffected, because the choices Ubuntu Touch made were for me personally
> untenable, and I always considered SailfishOS a better fit for my usage
> patterns and for my ideology of how a phone OS should behave.
>
> So where to go next, I personally recommend checking out SailfishOS. They
> will have a release during summer for Sony Xperia X, keep an eye out for
> that.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Vincas Dargis  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2017.04.05 20:56, Jamie Gunn rašė:
>>
>>> Sad news, so where do we go now?
>>>
>>
>> Could it be https://plasma-mobile.org/ ?
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[ajalkane]

I'm sad because I always was huge fan of Ubuntu Phone's dedication to open
source. I'm not surprised because they were (in my opinion unnecessarily)
doing too much and going too much against the grain considering where rest
of Linux ecosystem was headed, and it was clear that this kind of approach
would cost quite much in monetary sense and couldn't go on.. I'm personally
unaffected, because the choices Ubuntu Touch made were for me personally
untenable, and I always considered SailfishOS a better fit for my usage
patterns and for my ideology of how a phone OS should behave.

So where to go next, I personally recommend checking out SailfishOS. They
will have a release during summer for Sony Xperia X, keep an eye out for
that.


On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Vincas Dargis  wrote:

>
>
> 2017.04.05 20:56, Jamie Gunn rašė:
>
>> Sad news, so where do we go now?
>>
>
> Could it be https://plasma-mobile.org/ ?
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Vincas Dargis]

2017.04.05 20:56, Jamie Gunn rašė:

Sad news, so where do we go now?


Could it be https://plasma-mobile.org/ ?

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[Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Seth Ciango]

This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be Snap
only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the future of
this project. The developer team needs to speak to the community on this.

   - Who is willing to stick around?
   - How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
   - What current phones on the market could the community target based
   upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?

We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been amazing
and is greatly appreciated.

We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our lives.
Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else. Hours that we
could have spent with friends and family or on other projects.

We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of freedom
and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options. They
represent tyranny and forced conformity.

I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done. I
am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom and
choice to those who want it.




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that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few, content
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that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the applause of the
majority."*

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Eran Benjamin]

When he says ditching unity, does he also mean the unity desktop?
I actually like the unity desktop, there are many distros with good 
gnome desktops, I use ubuntu as desktop mainly because unity has matured 
nicely.


Now, if only someone found a way to install sailfish on those reasonably 
priced BQ's or Wileyfoxs...

But I guess I will have to find their mailing list now.

Thanks to Shuttleworth and the Canonical teams for the attempt.



On 05-04-17 19:48, Nicolas Delvaux wrote:

This is especially confusing since just today there was another blog
post explaining what is being worked on for Ubuntu 18.04 regarding X
apps in a Unity 8/Mir world.
http://gould.cx/ted/blog/2017/04/05/X11-apps-on-Ubuntu-Personal/

So even Canonical employees were not informed of this?

Mark's post lacks details though. What will happen of Unity 7? Mir?
And how switching back to Gnome by default reflects on the stated will
to invest on the desktop? Because it may also be interpreted as "ditch
the current default Ubuntu and replace it by Ubuntu Gnome".

I hope some clarifications will come.


Le 05/04/2017 à 19:28, miguel pires a écrit :

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/

/This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth/


"I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."

WTF





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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Paul Tait]

Can't say I am surprised. I think we all knew this was coming, we were just 
in denial. With the end of support for the phones and no new devices 
planned it was inevitable. I think we were hoping that phones would be able 
to continue in some form because of Unity8 but this puts pay to that too. 

I guess we just hoped that this would be the one project that Canonical 
actually sticks with and sees to fruition despite their track record. 

You have to wonder about Mark. He has great vision, but just lacks the 
gumption to see things through, or further than his initial idea. 

I think this may be the final nail in the coffin of Ubuntu for me. I'm 
tired of the let downs. Time to move on. 

Paul. 

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 18:28:03 BST, miguel pires wrote:
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> 
> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
> 
> 
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8, the
> phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back
> to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> 
> WTF
>


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[ale roncador]

Is this real?
Truly is an inglorious end for this ambitious project

Il mercoledì 5 aprile 2017, NeoTheThird  ha scritto:

> Well, we asked for it: https://insights.ubuntu.com/20
> 17/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-
> and-convergence/
>
> Something in me just died.
>
>
> On 05.04.2017 18:13, NeoTheThird wrote:
>
>> I'm totally on board the android sucks train. As of the M10 Tablet, i
>> think there is an *experimental* build now with snaps working additionally
>> to clicks. It's still very basic, i can't stress that enough, but i've seen
>> some command line snaps working.
>>
>> An official road-map would be totally kick-ass. Pleas talk to us,
>> Canonical.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> NeoTheThird
>>
>>
>> On 05.04.2017 18:04, Wilfridd wrote:
>>
>>> +1 Definitely
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>> Wilfrid
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 10:24:18 CEST, Mitchell Reese <
>>> d...@curiouslegends.com.au> wrote:
>>>
 So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days -
 arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back shortly
 - any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where touch is going? I'm
 particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has the landing channel
 advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to have a timeframe from the devs
 about what's happening - or even an indication. Please - don't leave us
 with android as the only option!

 M



>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Martin Windisch]

SailfishOS? - at least for Nexus 4+5 and soon for Xperia devices … (starting 
with the X)

> Absender:Jamie Gunn
> An:Mathijs Veen
> Cc:Ubuntu Touch
> Betreff:[Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this 
> because this is sad
> Datum:5. April 2017 um 18:56:08 GMT+1
>  
>  
> Sad news, so where do we go now?
>  
>  
> On 5 Apr 2017 18:41, "Mathijs 
> Veen"wrote:
> > utterly gutted
> >  
> > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:28 PM, miguel 
> > pireswrote:
> > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> > >  
> > > This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth
> > >  
> > > "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8, 
> > > the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop 
> > > back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> > >  
> > > WTF
> > >  
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Gerd Sänger]

Am 05.04.2017 um 19:51 schrieb ale roncador:
> Is this real?
> Truly is an inglorious end for this ambitious project
> 
> Il mercoledì 5 aprile 2017, NeoTheThird  > ha scritto:
> 
> Well, we asked for it:
> 
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> 
> 
> 
> Something in me just died.
> 
> 
> On 05.04.2017 18:13, NeoTheThird wrote:
> 
> I'm totally on board the android sucks train. As of the M10
> Tablet, i think there is an *experimental* build now with snaps
> working additionally to clicks. It's still very basic, i can't
> stress that enough, but i've seen some command line snaps working.
> 
> An official road-map would be totally kick-ass. Pleas talk to
> us, Canonical.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> NeoTheThird
> 
> 
> On 05.04.2017 18:04, Wilfridd wrote:
> 
> +1 Definitely
> 
> BR
> 
> Wilfrid
> 
> On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 10:24:18 CEST, Mitchell Reese
>  wrote:
> 
> So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past
> couple days - arggghhh! Such a clunky system after
> Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back shortly - any update yet
> on snaps, and the next stage for where touch is going?
> I'm particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has the
> landing channel advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to
> have a timeframe from the devs about what's happening -
> or even an indication. Please - don't leave us with
> android as the only option!
> 
> M
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Jamie Gunn]

Sad news, so where do we go now?


On 5 Apr 2017 18:41, "Mathijs Veen"  wrote:

utterly gutted

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:28 PM, miguel pires 
wrote:

> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl
> oud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>
> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>
>
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop
> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>
> WTF
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Yasmany Cubela Medina]

This looks like a late aprils fools i really dont get a thing of that post

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 1:49 PM Nicolas Delvaux 
wrote:

> This is especially confusing since just today there was another blog
> post explaining what is being worked on for Ubuntu 18.04 regarding X
> apps in a Unity 8/Mir world.
> http://gould.cx/ted/blog/2017/04/05/X11-apps-on-Ubuntu-Personal/
>
> So even Canonical employees were not informed of this?
>
> Mark's post lacks details though. What will happen of Unity 7? Mir?
> And how switching back to Gnome by default reflects on the stated will
> to invest on the desktop? Because it may also be interpreted as "ditch
> the current default Ubuntu and replace it by Ubuntu Gnome".
>
> I hope some clarifications will come.
>
>
> Le 05/04/2017 à 19:28, miguel pires a écrit :
> >
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> >
> > /This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth/
> >
> >
> > "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> > the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> > desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> >
> > WTF
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Nicolas Delvaux]

This is especially confusing since just today there was another blog
post explaining what is being worked on for Ubuntu 18.04 regarding X
apps in a Unity 8/Mir world.
http://gould.cx/ted/blog/2017/04/05/X11-apps-on-Ubuntu-Personal/

So even Canonical employees were not informed of this?

Mark's post lacks details though. What will happen of Unity 7? Mir?
And how switching back to Gnome by default reflects on the stated will
to invest on the desktop? Because it may also be interpreted as "ditch
the current default Ubuntu and replace it by Ubuntu Gnome".

I hope some clarifications will come.


Le 05/04/2017 à 19:28, miguel pires a écrit :
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> 
> /This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth/
> 
> 
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
> 
> WTF


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Mathijs Veen]

utterly gutted

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:28 PM, miguel pires 
wrote:

> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-
> cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>
> *This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*
>
>
> "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8,
> the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop
> back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."
>
> WTF
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Francisco Pina Martins]

A sad thing to read, indeed.
I'm really not sure what to do now.
I never liked Android, and an iThing gives me the shivers just to think
about.
I still have to digest this.

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017, Gareth France 
wrote:
> I feel like I could cry right now. I'm back on android and hating every
moment. I have been poised to make a grab for the next device to be
released with snap based UT. I don't want to have to stick with android,
god no!
>
>
> On 05/04/17 18:19, NeoTheThird wrote:
>>
>> Well, we asked for it:
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>>
>> Something in me just died.
>>
>>
>> On 05.04.2017 18:13, NeoTheThird wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm totally on board the android sucks train. As of the M10 Tablet, i
think there is an *experimental* build now with snaps working additionally
to clicks. It's still very basic, i can't stress that enough, but i've seen
some command line snaps working.
>>>
>>> An official road-map would be totally kick-ass. Pleas talk to us,
Canonical.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> NeoTheThird
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05.04.2017 18:04, Wilfridd wrote:

 +1 Definitely

 BR

 Wilfrid

 On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 10:24:18 CEST, Mitchell Reese <
d...@curiouslegends.com.au> wrote:
>
> So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days -
arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back shortly
- any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where touch is going? I'm
particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has the landing channel
advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to have a timeframe from the devs
about what's happening - or even an indication. Please - don't leave us
with android as the only option!
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Tony Scott]

On 5 April 2017 at 18:19, NeoTheThird  wrote:
> Well, we asked for it:
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/


Oh.

I understand the process that resulted in Mark's post.

I just think it's a pity the Ubuntu phone didn't get enough traction.

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[Ubuntu-phone] This is it...

[Francisco Pina Martins]

It's been one hell of a ride, but I guess this is it...
Thanks for all the fish, I guess...
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Gareth France]

I feel like I could cry right now. I'm back on android and hating every 
moment. I have been poised to make a grab for the next device to be 
released with snap based UT. I don't want to have to stick with android, 
god no!



On 05/04/17 18:19, NeoTheThird wrote:
Well, we asked for it: 
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/


Something in me just died.


On 05.04.2017 18:13, NeoTheThird wrote:
I'm totally on board the android sucks train. As of the M10 Tablet, i 
think there is an *experimental* build now with snaps working 
additionally to clicks. It's still very basic, i can't stress that 
enough, but i've seen some command line snaps working.


An official road-map would be totally kick-ass. Pleas talk to us, 
Canonical.


All the best,

NeoTheThird


On 05.04.2017 18:04, Wilfridd wrote:

+1 Definitely

BR

Wilfrid

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 10:24:18 CEST, Mitchell Reese 
 wrote:
So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days - 
arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back 
shortly - any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where 
touch is going? I'm particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has 
the landing channel advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to have a 
timeframe from the devs about what's happening - or even an 
indication. Please - don't leave us with android as the only option!


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[Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[miguel pires]

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/

*This is from the post from Mark Shuttleworth*


"I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8, the
phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back
to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS."

WTF
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[NeoTheThird]

Well, we asked for it: 
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/


Something in me just died.


On 05.04.2017 18:13, NeoTheThird wrote:
I'm totally on board the android sucks train. As of the M10 Tablet, i 
think there is an *experimental* build now with snaps working 
additionally to clicks. It's still very basic, i can't stress that 
enough, but i've seen some command line snaps working.


An official road-map would be totally kick-ass. Pleas talk to us, 
Canonical.


All the best,

NeoTheThird


On 05.04.2017 18:04, Wilfridd wrote:

+1 Definitely

BR

Wilfrid

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 10:24:18 CEST, Mitchell Reese 
 wrote:
So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days - 
arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back 
shortly - any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where 
touch is going? I'm particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has 
the landing channel advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to have a 
timeframe from the devs about what's happening - or even an 
indication. Please - don't leave us with android as the only option!


M












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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[NeoTheThird]

I'm totally on board the android sucks train. As of the M10 Tablet, i 
think there is an *experimental* build now with snaps working 
additionally to clicks. It's still very basic, i can't stress that 
enough, but i've seen some command line snaps working.


An official road-map would be totally kick-ass. Pleas talk to us, Canonical.

All the best,

NeoTheThird


On 05.04.2017 18:04, Wilfridd wrote:

+1 Definitely

BR

Wilfrid

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 10:24:18 CEST, Mitchell Reese 
 wrote:
So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days - 
arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back 
shortly - any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where touch 
is going? I'm particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has the 
landing channel advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to have a 
timeframe from the devs about what's happening - or even an 
indication. Please - don't leave us with android as the only option!


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Wilfridd]

+1 Definitely

BR

Wilfrid

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 10:24:18 CEST, Mitchell Reese 
 wrote:
So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days - 
arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back 
shortly - any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where touch is 
going? I'm particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has the landing 
channel advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to have a timeframe from 
the devs about what's happening - or even an indication. Please - don't 
leave us with android as the only option!


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Matthias Apitz]

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Mitchell Reese 


wrote:


So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days -
arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! ...


And why have you switched to this at all? I'm hoping that my BQ E4.5 wiil 
last until the next generation of Linux devices.  Since 2008 I'm only using 
OS mobiles...


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Tony Scott]

+1

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On 5 April 2017 at 14:14, Mathijs Veen  wrote:
> +1 on all of the above questions!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mathijs
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Mitchell Reese 
> wrote:
>>
>> So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days -
>> arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back shortly -
>> any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where touch is going? I'm
>> particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has the landing channel advanced
>> to snaps yet? Would be great to have a timeframe from the devs about what's
>> happening - or even an indication. Please - don't leave us with android as
>> the only option!
>>
>> M
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Mathijs Veen]

+1 on all of the above questions!

Cheers,

Mathijs

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Mitchell Reese 
wrote:

> So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days -
> arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back shortly
> - any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where touch is going? I'm
> particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has the landing channel
> advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to have a timeframe from the devs
> about what's happening - or even an indication. Please - don't leave us
> with android as the only option!
>
> M
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[Ubuntu-phone] Snap Update?

[Mitchell Reese]

So have been trying Android on my Pro 5 for the past couple days - 
arggghhh! Such a clunky system after Ubuntu Touch! Will flash back 
shortly - any update yet on snaps, and the next stage for where touch is 
going? I'm particularly interested in the M10 tablet - has the landing 
channel advanced to snaps yet? Would be great to have a timeframe from 
the devs about what's happening - or even an indication. Please - don't 
leave us with android as the only option!


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