[Ubuntu-phone] Unity 8 Community Fork

[Mitchell Reese]

Heads up there is active discussion about forking Unity 8, and 
continuing on as a community project. Go to https://unity8.org/ & 
https://unity.ubports.com/ for more info!


Mitchell

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Wayne Taylor]

agree completely on revenue model.
as I said 'we need a new canonical'

On 2017-04-07 03:50 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> 
> 
> On 7 April 2017 at 05:26, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
> mailto:joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com>>
> wrote:
> 
> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
> 
> 
> 
> In a word: No.
> 
> 
> Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared
> vision?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, any Free Software product can be turned into a community
> effort. But if the problem is a lack of a revenue model, then I
> think adding a revenue model would be a smart move. So I would
> rather imagine that the team who's been working on Unity 8 start a
> business and sell subscriptions. I definitely wouldn't mind paying a
> small fee each year for the continued support of my phone and desktop. 
> 
> 
> 
> Or crowd funding with an ubuntu phone foundation?
> 
> 

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Death is Not an Option

[Wayne Taylor]

good words.

agreed

On 2017-04-06 07:12 PM, Felipe De La Puente wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm pretty sure there will be people(Myself included) interested to
> continue this effort with the goal of having a non-compromised OS
> alternative for mobile devices and the vision of converged computing and
> so on... however, in my opinion, right now is a good moment to identify
> what we as a community think about the current components of Ubuntu
> Touch, where is the value... and where it isn't.
> 
> I mean this moment must be taken as an opportunity to collect the
> feedback and identify what is our current expectation from this OS, what
> should be kept and pushed forward for development, what must be dropped
> and what needs to be re-designed...
> 
> Given the naturally limited resources, dedicated effort to
> develop/maintain unneeded code will be a big threat to the success. It
> must be kept simple and focused.
> 
> 
> We don't need names to start discussing ideas... and there's no time to
> loose.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Felipe.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Melvin Carvalho
> mailto:melvincarva...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 April 2017 at 21:57, Wayne Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> There are two ways to view this kind of a day:
> 
> 1) the end of something good - the death of a loved one or
> 
> 2) the start of something new, the beginning of a new thing
> 
> It's both.
> 
> I've been a side-line participant always handicapped by my lack
> of time
> and my lack of skills.
> 
> Unity and convergence was the single most important part of my
> tech life.
> 
> In my opinion, to start something new, we need a 'new canonical'.
> 
> Canonical has done great work, and thanks for it, and they've made a
> choice to 'go their own way'.  No problem.  We all have free wills
> whether you agree with that statement or not.
> 
> And so I hereby proclaim that something new must start today.
> 
> It's time to rally the troops, and rally the $$.
> 
> Who's in?
> 
> Who will lead and delegate? (and don't be so liberal to think
> you don't
> need a leader because that's horse feces)
> 
> I know one very excellent candidate and he knows who he is and
> he can
> contact me on the side if he agrees.
> 
> The time is now.
> 
> The people are we.
> 
> Let's not watch the tragic end of the best ever thing in free
> software.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I will continue to support this project, if I can -- I presume the
> mailing list and IRC will continue to be places to share ideas?
> 
> One thing I would like to see is a bolder vision than android for
> mobile experience.  ie one that is not tied to large monopolies
> 
> I am inspired by Tim Berner-Lee's vision of where the web can go:
> 
> 
> https://www.wired.com/2017/04/tim-berners-lee-inventor-web-plots-radical-overhaul-creation/
> 
> 
> 
> An ubuntu phone with a browser that is free software and has more
> modern (decentralized and social) features is something I'd love to use.
>  
> 
> 
> Wayne
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[miguel pires]

I really don't think crowd funding is going to work. Unfortunately to me,
one off a lot of pp that have participated in the crowd funding for Edge,
and have a E4.5, believing in the company (Canonical), i feel that this was
a sort of

betrayal.
Betrayal in the phone/convergence, in the Ubuntu with Unity (the
reason way a switch for Linux), etc...
Betrayal because if they ask for money, probably everyone will help,
but they choose to let pp abandoned so they (The pp u make this
decision) don't deserved my money, time and commitment.

Sorry, I'm really angry about this, not to the team/pp that make the
product, but to the pp that betrayal the trust of many!

Regards

Miguel

beta

2017-04-07 11:50 GMT+01:00 Melvin Carvalho :

>
>
> On 7 April 2017 at 05:26, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
> joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>>
>>>
>>>
 In a word: No.

>>>
>>> Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, any Free Software product can be turned into a community effort. But
>> if the problem is a lack of a revenue model, then I think adding a revenue
>> model would be a smart move. So I would rather imagine that the team who's
>> been working on Unity 8 start a business and sell subscriptions. I
>> definitely wouldn't mind paying a small fee each year for the continued
>> support of my phone and desktop.
>>
>>
>>
> Or crowd funding with an ubuntu phone foundation?
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

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On 7 April 2017 at 11:43, Alan Griffiths  wrote:

> On 05/04/17 21:51, A. James Lewis wrote:
> > I definitely hope the work can be continued as an independent project
> >
>
> Some thoughts on this option:
>
>http://voices.canonical.com/alan.griffiths/2017/04/07/the-
> end-of-a-dream/


Great post, thanks!

Incremental change seems the way to go, with a reduced eco system.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Official end off Ubuntu Phone - Please read this because this is sad....

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 7 April 2017 at 05:26, Jo-Erlend Schinstad  wrote:

> > Will work on ubuntu phone continue?
>
>>
>>
>>> In a word: No.
>>>
>>
>> Could it perhaps be rebooted as a community effort, and shared vision?
>>
>>
>
>
> Yes, any Free Software product can be turned into a community effort. But
> if the problem is a lack of a revenue model, then I think adding a revenue
> model would be a smart move. So I would rather imagine that the team who's
> been working on Unity 8 start a business and sell subscriptions. I
> definitely wouldn't mind paying a small fee each year for the continued
> support of my phone and desktop.
>
>
>
Or crowd funding with an ubuntu phone foundation?
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

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On 05/04/17 21:51, A. James Lewis wrote:
> I definitely hope the work can be continued as an independent project
>

Some thoughts on this option:

   http://voices.canonical.com/alan.griffiths/2017/04/07/the-end-of-a-dream/

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] just give up?

[Paul Tait]

To be honest Mark's claim that the community weren't interested in the 
phone and that it just didn't gain traction annoy me. The phone was high on 
promises and features that just never arrived. Not to mention the multitude 
of bugs that were never fixed. Every review was bad, and the phone just 
didn't get any better. It is any surprise that people were holding back? 
Not to mention the fact that the phone was never on wide sale. 

I had the phone from Day 1 and it was pretty obvious early on that interest 
was quickly lost by Canonical, very quickly the updates went from 
improvements to 'under the hood' changes and tinkering. New phones were 
released but they had the same features and problems as the first phones. 
Did Mark really think they'd done enough?

Should they have given up? No. But they didn't give up on the 5th April 
2017, they gave up some time ago. They should have concentrated on the 
basics and delivering promises. Instead of releasing several new devices 
sporting an unfinished OS. It seemed to be all about whipping up interest 
rather than finishing the OS. 

The tablet was the death knell for me. As soon as I saw that, I knew the 
phone was dead. 

I love my phone, it had so much potential but it was unfulfilled. Canonical 
shouldn't have given up when they did, they should have seen it through but 
they did give up and almost two years ago. Everything from then on was half 
hearted. This recent announcement just put us out of our misery. 

Paul. 

On Thursday, 6 April 2017 23:44:57 BST, Georges Thill wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Somehow at first I did not believe it when I read the news. Ubuntu is 
> giving up on phones and convergence.
> To put this in the right context, I was one of the early Ubuntu Edge 
> crowdfunding supporters.
> I currently own multiple Ubuntu touch devices and have actively been 
> supporting bug tracking in the last years.
> 
> I still don't get it. They give up.
> 
> I am not sure if, as a project, you can expect full acceptance of end 
> users if some key features that an average
> end user is totally entitled to expect are just not yet met. Probably 
> most of you will be familiar with
> the "kano model". Various expected "must be" features (in kano terms) 
> have been missing up to today.
> Most notably:
> 
> * Bluetooth is not working correctly on any device I own. Headset, 
> car-headset are not working. Though, most
> of the time a bluetooth keyboard does work. This is a no go. It is a 
> base feature to have a working bluetooth.
> An normal end user will be severely dissatisfied it if doesn't. To make 
> it even worth there is not even
> a list of "supported devices".
> 
> * Screen cast is not working. This is one of the hour one promises. 
> Convergence. What good is it to be able
> to start a convergent desktop application if I only have it on my 5 or 
> even 10 inch screen?
> To make it worse it is a feature that expectation was raised on, but 
> never fulfilled. A promise that is met is
> "attractive". (in kano terms) If it is not met, again it causes "severe 
> dissatisfaction".
> To make this even worse, even the recommended MS miracast only times 
> out. To be fair, though,  I finally
> managed to connect my M10 with hdmi cable.
> Again, a list of "supported devices" or of combinations would have been 
> helpful.
> 
> * Various apps just don't always work right. Video playback doesn't 
> respect aspect ratio, Weather app opens
> dead links and Favorites don't let you choose the default dialing number 
> - just to name a few. This was annoying.
> Though I could (temporarily as I thought) do with it. Some of these bugs 
> are tracked, but the fix will now
> never make it to the end user. Sad.
> 
> * One big miss is probably the absence of whatsapp. While this was not a 
> big deal for me, it was for a lot of
> average end users. You (canonical) don't have much influence on this. 
> Though I am convinced it would
> have been supported if enough users had been using Ubuntu touch.
> 
> * A part that I really don't get is the Wayland vs Mir discussions. Mir 
> only advances slowly and causes endless
> controversial? Why not take the generally accepted Wayland then?
> 
> Now to the point that will earn me a lot of bad comments. I just think 
> it is not the right decision to just give
> up when you did not really do your homework yet. I mean it does not make 
> sense to focus on "attractive"
> elements (in kano terms) when you do not meet basic "must be" features.
> This said, unmet promises are a no go too.
> 
> In my opinion it is just the wrong reasons to quit development. The 
> arguments used are all faulty.
> Mistakes were made. But quitting is the wrong conclusion.
> 
> There is a community. There is interest even far beyond the actual 
> community. The point is:
> when you don't meet "must be" standards and you don't meet (more or less 
> explicitly made) promises,
> you should not expect a too wide acceptance.
> And quitting the project without h