Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Purism phone

[Kristijan Žic]

I don't think they can even make convergent apps let alone the os using the
gtk, am I wrong? Also what compositor do they use for Wayland? I've heard
some talk about Mir being considered as a Wayland compositor for Mate!

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017, 12:00 Matthias Apitz <g...@unixarea.de> wrote:

> El día Friday, August 25, 2017 a las 10:46:59AM +0100, Sam Bull escribió:
>
> > In case anybody here has not seen the news, Purism are now attempting
> > an open, convergence capable phone. It looks like it will be running
> > GNOME, but could be replaced with anything else. Both hardware and
> > software is focused on user privacy and almost everything is open
> > source.
> >
> > So, if you're still interested in a open source, convergent phone, I'd
> > recommend backing it here: https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
>
> I saw this too already in the UBports Forum:
>
> https://forums.ubports.com/topic/506/croudfunding-phone-purism-librem-5-with-ubports
>
> Would be interesting to know what drivers or blobs they use to control
> the GPS and GPRS chips.
>
> Btw: Me and my family (4 devices BQ E4.5 and 1 M10) we are still using
> the latest OTA as daily phones and I switched one already to UBports
> without any problem.
>
> matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A vision about what lies ahead

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Snap introduces.
>>>
>>> ### Clicks and debs are not an option
>>> Why? Well, click was kind of beta for snaps. Canonical decied to move
>>> away from this because they decided to create something better. And snaps
>>> are what Canonical wants to give to the larger community, not only Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Why not debs? To have the proper system images, OTA updates and a
>>> possibility to lock the system partition. Without that probably no OEM ever
>>> would consider the system reliable enough to put it on production device.
>>> And well, commercial app developers will not want to care about the
>>> dependencies in debs.
>>>
>>> ## The true Unity leads to Wayland
>>> And here is the - what the history has shown - the Canonical's biggest
>>> mistake: Mir. This is what put away the rest of the Linux community and
>>> what created the most conflicts and hatered. Moving Unity to Wayland can
>>> give you more traction and more developers willing to contribute to the
>>> true Unity on phone. And there is one more thing that community had the
>>> problem with and now you can ditch: Contributor License Agreement.
>>>
>>> ## Unity 8
>>> The concept of Unity 8 is pretty good for all the phones tablets and
>>> desktop. I really like many features of it and the general concept of phone
>>> navigation. Also the scopes are a good concept - but they need to start
>>> working much faster and better. Let's make them ALL freely installable, so
>>> that anyone could install only those he uses. That will generate some
>>> benefits:
>>>
>>> * The community will not hate us for forcing scopes on users
>>> * The OEM's could install their scopes of their choice by default -
>>> customization, ability to sell things with this - more likely to
>>> comercially back the Unity OS.
>>> * Well, the scopes developed to work well would be a wonderful way to
>>> interact with the content.
>>>
>>> And there is one more - Suru design. Ubuntu's font, paperlike themes and
>>> iconset. Please do not ditch that as Unity 8 looks really well and the
>>> theme, icons and design language is really nice!
>>>
>>> ## Not only Unity 8
>>> As snaps have actually gained some adoption, they can be used to get on
>>> Ubuntu Core not only Unity, but KDE and Plasma Active for example - and
>>> maybe other DE's as well. A Wayland on top of Ubuntu Core can create a
>>> wonderful base for both Unity and Plasma Active. Let's reach the hand to
>>> Plasma Active developers, offer them Snaps and Ubuntu Core as base. Maybe
>>> they will help in getting Core and Wayland on phones and it would lead us
>>> to the common goal - having both Unity and Plasma Active on the phones. And
>>> being able to replace one with another with just a snap swap!
>>>
>>> ## Ubuntu SDK
>>> Yet another thing to keep. There is a bunch of cool apps creating with
>>> it (Dekko, uNav and more) to be kept. It still may help to reach the
>>> convergene goal.
>>>
>>> ## To sum up
>>> So what do we have now? We have Ubuntu Core, we have Snaps and we have
>>> Wayland. We have the communities that will develop those and offload the
>>> Unity OS's dev team, so that they don't have to develop the entire OS
>>> alone. Maybe we have Mir (if Canonical still wants to push it to Ubuntu
>>> Core devices), but without Canonical it won't make sense.
>>>
>>> So let's take care of Unity 8 and Ubuntu SDK, move it further toward
>>> snappification and Ubuntu Core, make a switch to Wayland and pursue the
>>> convergence further.
>>>
>>> So this is how I see it. Let's create the true Unity - untiy of
>>> community with Wayland and the unity of platforms with Convergence. I still
>>> keep my fingers crossed for you, guys. And maybe someday I will be able to
>>> jump in as well?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Piotr Mitana
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Kristijan Žic]

There are some promising news on that front by Marius Gripsgard.

He posted this on google plus:
"I'm not giving up! I will do my best to keep Ubuntu touch and Unity8
standing on both it's legs! It will be hard. The Ubuntu touch wheel is
still spinning, and it has enough momentum to spin until we start spinning
it with hopefully with greater force. Expect some news and idea drafts from
the Ubports team in the coming weeks."

Here is the link:
https://plus.google.com/110699558853693437587/posts/7RHujp9u7oW

On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, 2:05 a.m. Filip Dorosz, <filip.dor...@rapidrage.org>
wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> As we are all dead man walking
>
> I'm also interested in continuing what was started here.
>
> We must not let the spirit die!
>
> Cheers,
> Filip.
>
> W dniu 05.04.2017 o 20:34, Seth Ciango pisze:
> > This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be
> > Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the
> > future of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the
> > community on this.
> >
> >   * Who is willing to stick around?
> >   * How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
> >   * What current phones on the market could the community target based
> > upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?
> >
> > We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
> > getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been
> > amazing and is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our
> > lives. Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else.
> > Hours that we could have spent with friends and family or on other
> > projects.
> >
> > We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of
> > freedom and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options.
> > They represent tyranny and forced conformity.
> >
> > I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done.
> > I am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom
> > and choice to those who want it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > /"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an art
> > that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few,
> > content with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to
> > heart, Lucilius, that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the
> > applause of the majority."/
> > /
> > /
> > /Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII/
> >
> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Kristijan Žic]

I hope for that as well! I'm prepared to contribute my share.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:51 PM A. James Lewis <ja...@fsck.co.uk> wrote:

> I definitely hope the work can be continued as an independent project
>
> On 05/04/17 19:34, Seth Ciango wrote:
>
> This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be Snap
> only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the future of
> this project. The developer team needs to speak to the community on this.
>
>- Who is willing to stick around?
>- How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
>- What current phones on the market could the community target based
>upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?
>
> We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
> getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been amazing
> and is greatly appreciated.
>
> We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our lives.
> Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else. Hours that we
> could have spent with friends and family or on other projects.
>
> We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of freedom
> and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options. They
> represent tyranny and forced conformity.
>
> I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done. I
> am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom and
> choice to those who want it.
>
>
>
>
> *"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an art
> that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few, content
> with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to heart, Lucilius,
> that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the applause of the
> majority."*
>
> *Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII*
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Freedom

[Kristijan Žic]

Unity OS?

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:22 PM Kristijan Žic <kristijan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I hope for that as well! I'm prepared to contribute my share.
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:51 PM A. James Lewis <ja...@fsck.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I definitely hope the work can be continued as an independent project
>>
>> On 05/04/17 19:34, Seth Ciango wrote:
>>
>> This is liberating if we allow it to be. We're no longer forced to be
>> Snap only while tethered to Unity8. We finally have control over the future
>> of this project. The developer team needs to speak to the community on
>> this.
>>
>>- Who is willing to stick around?
>>- How difficult would a switch to GNOME be and how long would it take?
>>- What current phones on the market could the community target based
>>upon their openness and compatible hardware/drivers?
>>
>> We do not NEED Canonical or phone manufacturers. We truly thank them for
>> getting us here. All the effort by the Ubuntu Phone team has been amazing
>> and is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> We all backed this phone project financially and with hours of our lives.
>> Hours that we spent debugging, coding, helping someone else. Hours that we
>> could have spent with friends and family or on other projects.
>>
>> We chose to work on this phone because we believe in the ideal of freedom
>> and choice. For us, the other two mobile OS's are not options. They
>> represent tyranny and forced conformity.
>>
>> I stand here committed to these ideals and the work that has been done. I
>> am prepared to further invest my money and time into giving freedom and
>> choice to those who want it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *"they asked him what was the object of all this study applied to an art
>> that would reach but very few. He replied: 'I am content with few, content
>> with one, content with none at all.' ...Lay these words to heart, Lucilius,
>> that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the applause of the
>> majority."*
>>
>> *Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letter VII*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Why UT is not ready

[Kristijan Žic]

I also find documentation and communication channels somewhat difficult and
fragmented. I think we actually don't know anything specific about the
future features of ubuntu touch. The closest I've got to the list of
planned features for the next few OTAs was a google doc shared by some of
the Canonical devs on Google+ but the owner made it private like
immediately. We need that list to know what to expect and what to focus on.
For example, I'm looking to create an app that needs Bluetooth printing
support. The question is should I even consider this platform if that
feature won't ever get developed for UT (I would do it myself, but I don't
have the skills atm. I can only use the apis to make an app.). So that's my
concerned view on the matter. :)

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:22 pm Mathijs Veen,  wrote:

> A while ago, Matthias Apitz brought together a great deal of knowledge
> based on his bq phone. It is very readable and most of it applies to the
> other devices. It has been really usefull to me on many occaisions.
>
>
> https://www.gitbook.com/book/gurucubano/bq-aquaris-e-4-5-ubuntu-phone/details
>
> I am sure he would welcome any contributions and updates
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Wayne Ward  wrote:
>
>> I set up ubuntusocial.net because of this for a central location but
>> never really took off! Small comunity with forums, group chat etc
>> Wayne
>> n Monday, 11 July 2016 19:42:39 CEST, padraic stack <
>> padraic.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There are a couple of other solutions to the ssh timeout issue posted
>>> here:
>>>
>>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/770254/how-can-i-keep-ssh-or-another-command-alive-on-the-terminal-app-of-my-ubuntu-p
>>>
>>> One issue with UT that I do have is the lack of documentation / a central
>>> hub for info. Info is scattered between here and askubuntu with no real
>>> central source.
>>>
>>> I get that it's a work in progress and I would be happy to contribute to
>>> something but I think it does need some central easily discovered
>>> location.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Stephen M. Webb <
>>> stephen.w...@canonical.com
>>>
 wrote:

>>>
>>> On 16-07-11 12:35 PM, Jens Grivolla wrote:
 >
 > Second, and that's the reason I flashed Android on it a few days ago
 (but
 > will try UT again in a few weeks) is that I found it to not currently
 work
 > for my geeky and not-so-geeky use cases. Last week, at a project
 meeting, I
 > needed to ssh into a server to fix things which I would then check
 through
 > a web interface. This failed in two ways, and made it very difficult
 for
 > me. Each time I switched between the terminal and the web browser,
 even
 for
 > a few seconds, my ssh connection got killed. And each time I switched
 to
 > the web browser, the page would reload, killing my session and all the
 work
 > I had been doing. The same thing would even happen when only switching
 tabs.

 I created a libertine container and added terminator and ssh, then just
 launch that from the libertine scope.  No
 disconnects when switching, full functionality.  If I had a bluetooth
 keyboard with real MX Cherry Blue keys I could use
 it for all my remote admin and development work.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] privacy issue concerning phone-dailer-reciver software

[Kristijan Žic]

+1

I would love that feature too! It can be even more expanded but just this
core 2 features would be really great.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:12 am Randall Ross ,  wrote:

>
>
> On 06/15/2016 01:23 PM, Tom Rausner wrote:
> > Hi Randal
> >
> > Den 15-06-2016 kl. 21:48 skrev Randall Ross :
> >> +1
> >>
> >> This would be a good addition to "smart interruptions".
> >>
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smart-interruptions
> >>
> >> ;)
> > Could be, yes... if that project is alive... ?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> Hi Tom,
>
> Thanks very much for your note.
>
> The wiki page is meant to be a consolidation of our best thinking on
> this topic. I'd love to see someone pick up the collection of ideas and
> make a project of it. So, it is "alive" in the sense that it is incubating.
>
> Cheers,
> Randall.
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[Ubuntu-phone] Dash and Scopes design evolution

[Kristijan Žic]

I have just finished watching Scopes design evolution from UOS. They are
proposing to have all scopes organized in some kind of browser-like way.
And at first I was so amazed about the future of it and liked the new ideas
very much. But as I kept thinking more and more about it, I can't help but
wonder why can't that be just an app with plugins?
Scope Browser if you wish. That way you can remove the scopes from the Dash
and leave the Dash be for it's intended purpose, launching apps. That will
come to fruition on the desktop where you want to just launch apps and get
the work done while not be bothered by the content and if you want it,
there is the Scope Browser aka you don't have to go enable every scope you
want to look but just open the app.
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Kristijan Žic]

I started a few discussions about this thing when the new colors and
indicator panel landed in rc-proposed and I don't think anyone really likes
the new design direction.

Someone from ubuntu then said that it was just a bug but it doesn't seem so
right now. Also if they had to change the colour from that beautiful
orange, why in the world have they chosen blue?? Blue is the most generic
color there is!

Also they say that it's just for focusing selection or something but I see
blue now as a dominant color. There is more "WINDOWS" blue then the
"UBUNTU" orange. Don't even let me start about the launcher color change
from black to gray. Why? Just why? Everything was fine, and everyone loved
the colors from which some become iconic like ubuntu orange and purple. And
now instead of making clock app design more clear and visible they change
the colour palette and bring blue as dominant color.

They should be designing more and better elements for apps and app
developers. May I just ask why are all apps white and plain?

Also there is the clock app. How are we supposed to see that clock?? It's
so weird that I can't even describe it. Sure it looks cool when you really
think about it but it's not useable nonetheless. On a sunny day you can't
see anything. Same goes for the indicator panel. The colours were better
when it had the orange line on the bottom. I could live with the orange
line but hardly with gray indicator icons on a gray background.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:35 am Alan Bell,  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/04/16 09:52, Nathan Haines wrote:
> >
> > Hamlindigo Blue comes immediately to mind. :)  In any case, the bug
> > doesn't concern me--"navigation" is a very old metaphor used as
> > concerns the World Wide Web.
> yeah, but an orange compass needle pointing north east on a blue map
> background is a pretty specific interpretation of the metaphor.
> >
> > No, I think this is the usual opacity from the Design Team.  They made
> > some major strides towards transparency for a year or two, and then
> > retreated again.  It's disappointing, but it's a matter of habit--it's
> > rare that design decisions are discussed or even pre-broadcast.  And
> > even more common that they're not.  The rebranding for Ubuntu 10.04
> > LTS was a giant surprise, and that had to happen in steps.  But was
> > the font story ever fascinating.  And illustrative--the reason they
> > held the actual font files back so long was that once you release
> > something, it gets used immediately.
> yeah, bringing in the font was cool. Still use it a lot.
> >
> > A hard decision, but the right one.  No telling if that holds true
> > this time.  In any case, the Design Team has done wonderful things and
> > it's not too late for them to let us in on the secret.  I think they
> > just need to get back in the habit.
> yeah, hope so, this is a very strange one, they have made a change
> (probably, unless it is an error) that needs to be communicated widely
> and definitively but that isn't happening, all the apps on the phone
> that use an orange nobody is entirely sure what orange to use. They
> don't even need to say why it is changing, just be clear that it has (or
> hasn't)
>
> Alan.
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