Re: [Ubuntu-phone] cam app && selfi stick

[Michael Zanetti]

FWIW, I did some investigation on this back in the days:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camera-app/+bug/1451724

On Dienstag, 21. August 2018 18:02:32 CEST Wayne Taylor wrote:
> Is development taking place through this mailing list still? 
> 
> I'm thinking it might be better to go to https://ubports.com/  and
> specifically the UBports telegram group: https://t.me/ubports.
> 
> That community is active with many different people and devices. 
> 
> Hope this helps someone.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 2018-08-21 07:35 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 21 August 2018 09:06:38 CEST, Nicholas Thurel
> > 
> >  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> On some devices, the volume button takes a photo when in camera app. I
> >> think it's a setting in the application.
> >> 
> >> This might be the way to go.
> > 
> > Pressing the BQ's volume butons does not make the cam taking picture.
> > Pressing the button on the stick, makes the screen coming out of dark,
> > i.e. some visible effect has. Will look into messages to see if I
> > could find out what it does.





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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Thank you

[Michael Zanetti]

This has been the greatest project I have been working on, for many
reasons. But the most important reason for that is the people involved
in it. It's not easy to find such a high density of passion among the
people working on a project.

I enjoyed working with all of you, from the leadership, to colleagues,
to the community. Big thanks to all of you from my side too!

Best regards,
Michael

On 10.04.2017 20:21, Pat McGowan wrote:
> Dear contributors and enthusiasts
> 
> On behalf of the entire team that worked on Ubuntu Touch, Unity8, Mir,
> the apps, the services, the hw enablement, the QA, the releases, the CI
> infrastructure...  thanks for your commitment, patience and the many
> kind words for the developers and the products.
> 
> Working on this great software was a very rewarding experience made more
> so by your involvement.
> I share the hope that it lives on.
> 
> So long for now
> Pat
> 
> PS As far as I know this list will remain open. 
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] recording audio files for Telegram

[Michael Zanetti]

You may want to try this branch...

https://code.launchpad.net/~d.filoni/telegram-app/audio_receiving_and_sending/+merge/309643

On 09.01.2017 15:11, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> My wife likes sending of recorded voice as audio files via Telegram...
> Is there any good app which supports such recording of the own voice and
> easy sharing the recording via Telegram, maybe after replaying the audio
> before for checks?
> 
> Are there plans to enhance Telegram to do voice calls?
> 
> Thanks
> 
>   matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] system-image-cli

[Michael Zanetti]

-b 

On 30.11.2016 11:49, Mitchell Reese wrote:
> Just wondering how to roll back to a previous image with system-image-cli?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> M
> 
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Unable to flash M10

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi,

I think you need an adb enabled recovery. You can try this, it might get
that for you and just works:
https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool

If it doesn't, another option is to ssh/adb into the device and use
system-image-cli to reflash. Check out --help, you'll want the --switch
option and I'd recommend to use -vv so that the tool prints something
instead of just appearing to do nothing for a while.


Hope this helps,
Michael

On 23.11.2016 21:37, Mitchell Reese wrote:
> Hi, tried the Staging channel out of curiosity, and am now returning my
> M10 back to re-proposed. Only now I'm unable to access adb through
> enabling developer mode. Have rebooted to bootloader, and am trying to
> reflash using fastboot. Everything seems to work, until the device boots
> into the recovery, and my computer is no longer able to recognise it.
> Just hangs at: "Waiting for device to enter recovery mode..."
> 
> Device is in recovery mode, but not recognised. Eventually the
> ubuntu-device-flash tool times out. When I reboot my device I'm back
> where I started.
> 
> How do I reflash back to rc-proposed?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mitchell
> 
> 

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] UbuntoTouch GSM library

[Michael Zanetti]

On 15.11.2016 14:20, ali hagigat wrote:
> On 11/13/16, Michael Zanetti  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 13.11.2016 12:09, ali hagigat wrote:
>>> I have Nexus 5, UbuntuTouch and ubuntu-sdk. Can i use some fundamental
>>> telephony functions by ubuntu-sdk? How I can use the telephony gsm
>>> libraries because there is no document for them. For example , i want to
>>> write an application to dial another number or send text SMS messages to
>>> another number. What libraries i should use to do that?
>>
>>
>> Hi, there is no API for that in the SDK. The platform's design doesn't
>> allow arbitrary apps to send messages or place phone calls in the user's
>> name without requiring interaction from the user. What you can do in
>> your app, is to open a link like tel:///12345678. This would cause the
>> dialer app to appear with that number filled in. All the user then has
>> to do is to press the call button. This should cater for most of the
>> uses cases I think. For example, an app that finds some phone numbers
>> for the user to call, can be done pretty nicely with that.
>>
>> That said, obviously, there might be some use cases where sending
>> messages or calling numbers in a completely automated way are desired
>> (say, anti theft apps). This is still possible by either accessing ofono
>> on D-Bus yourself or calling the scripts in /usr/share/ofono/scripts.
>> Your application needs to be unconfined for that. Obviously this is
>> highly sensitive from a security point of view and because of that an
>> app doing so cannot be published in the store at this point. Your
>> application needs to be unconfined for that, which means your options to
>> publish it are either by hosting it yourself or publish it in the
>> openstore.
>>
>> Br,
>> Michael
>>
>>
> 
> Thank you very much Michael Zanetti, for your valuable answers. I appreciate 
> it.
> I looked at the architecture of Ubuntu, it seems that a user space
> application can access qtubuntu or platform-api  functions and
> interfaces.
> There was no path to communicate with  Ofono directly by an
> application, but you said a user space application has access to the
> Ofono interface. It is interesting. Can i call Ofono functions by a
> program inside ubuntu-sdk and then compile the code for Nexus 5 mobile
> phone?

Yes, you can call things on ofono, if your app is unconfined. Use QtDBus
for that, or, depending on what you need, just execute the before
mentioned scripts from your app.

> 
> What software interfaces are available for a user application under
> UbuntuTouch operating systems, I see some names like QtUbuntu,
> Platform-API, Hybris, Ofono and so on. Which of them are available?
> Can they be used inside a Ubuntu-SDK environment?

All of them are "available" in a sense that you can use them from a code
point of view, however, some of them might be restricted by apparmor
(again, need to be unconfined to use them) and some of them are also not
preinstalled in the sdk and you'd need to manually install them in your
crossbuild container.

> 
> When you want to develop an application for UbuntuTouch, do you use
> Ubuntu-SDK? or you compile your application another way? By developing
> code, i mean accessing GSM functionalities particularly.

I use the Ubuntu SDK yes... That said, so far I haven't written anything
that interferes with GSM functionality yet...

Br,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] DON'T upgrade Meizu Pro5 to latest RC!

[Michael Zanetti]

if you're in with ssh, do this:

sudo system-image-cli -b 0 -vv

it will take a while, eventually your phone will reboot and reflash itself.

On 15.11.2016 04:33, Gerhard Gonter wrote:
> Unfortunately, I should have read this earlier.  After updating to
> build 68, my BQ E4.5 only shows the Ubuntu splash screen.  Luckily, I
> can get in via sshd.  The .xsession-errors and unity8.log files are
> growing.  Any idea how to recover?
> 
> GG
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] UbuntoTouch GSM library

[Michael Zanetti]

On 13.11.2016 12:09, ali hagigat wrote:
> I have Nexus 5, UbuntuTouch and ubuntu-sdk. Can i use some fundamental
> telephony functions by ubuntu-sdk? How I can use the telephony gsm
> libraries because there is no document for them. For example , i want to
> write an application to dial another number or send text SMS messages to
> another number. What libraries i should use to do that?


Hi, there is no API for that in the SDK. The platform's design doesn't
allow arbitrary apps to send messages or place phone calls in the user's
name without requiring interaction from the user. What you can do in
your app, is to open a link like tel:///12345678. This would cause the
dialer app to appear with that number filled in. All the user then has
to do is to press the call button. This should cater for most of the
uses cases I think. For example, an app that finds some phone numbers
for the user to call, can be done pretty nicely with that.

That said, obviously, there might be some use cases where sending
messages or calling numbers in a completely automated way are desired
(say, anti theft apps). This is still possible by either accessing ofono
on D-Bus yourself or calling the scripts in /usr/share/ofono/scripts.
Your application needs to be unconfined for that. Obviously this is
highly sensitive from a security point of view and because of that an
app doing so cannot be published in the store at this point. Your
application needs to be unconfined for that, which means your options to
publish it are either by hosting it yourself or publish it in the openstore.

Br,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] DON'T upgrade Meizu Pro5 to latest RC!

[Michael Zanetti]

Happened to me too recently, although I think it was because I have a rw
filesystem and mess with it around quite a bit...

The thing that rescued me in the end was to ssh in over wifi (not adb -
it would always drop the connection after a few seconds) and then use
system-image-cli to flash it again cleanly.

Hope this helps.

Br,
Michael

On 11.11.2016 22:39, Mitchell Reese wrote:
> Ouch... woke up this morning to the latest RC image on my Meizu Pro 5 -
> excited, I of course installed it. After booting to the Ubuntu loading
> image, my device seemed to turn off with a black screen. Seemed to be
> off, however plugged into my computer I get various error messages -
> can't mount mtp, etc. Have been trying to restore back to stable - not
> quite there yet. Anyone else hit this?
> 
> Mitchell
> 
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] KDE Plasma Mobile

[Michael Zanetti]

On 07.11.2016 11:46, Marcin Wójcik wrote:
> There seems to be a new Linux Mobile distro in development based off of
> KDE Plasma.
> 
> https://plasma-mobile.org/

This has been there for a while now... I have seen demos of this a year
ago already.

> 
> How will this affect the future of Ubuntu Phone?

I would think not the least bit Well, maybe eventually there might
be some applications that work on both, but apart from that, not much
I'd say.

Br,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 27.10.16

[Michael Zanetti]

On 27.10.2016 18:26, nick luigi eusebio wrote:
> I think the big Unity 8 silo has landed already. That's user visible
> changes ;)
> 
> Also, I've been curious about the application menus in the silos. Is
> there any app that uses it already to test it?

There isn't... However, you can easily create one yourself by using:

import QtQuick.Controls 1.1
...
ApplicationWindow {
  menuBar: MenuBar {
Menu {
  MenuItem { text: "TestAction"; onTriggered: print("TestAction
triggered") }
  MenuItem { text: "Quit"; onTriggered: Qt.quit() }
}
  }
}

Be sure to make it unconfined for now. The required apparmor policies
are not in place yet.

> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Lukasz Zemczak 
> *To:* Ubuntu Phone 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 6:20 PM
> *Subject:* [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 27.10.16
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Apologies for yesterday's missed daily e-mail (was off sick for most
> of the day). Since Tuesday we had two silos landing so far: first is a
> new webbrowser-app with startup time improvements (+ other
> optimizations), change to make re-opening a tab now reloading it,
> fixes for drag'n'drop of bookmarks, fix for close button overlapping
> other tabs when there are many tabs opened + many many more. The
> second was an online-accounts landing to drop the usage of the
> GetConnectionAppArmorSecurityContext method - but not much user
> visible changes here.
> 
> Lot of convergence work ongoing nevertheless (soon things like
> application menus). Be sure to give rc-proposed a spin if you have a
> spare device.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> * What landed in our images:
> http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch
> 
> #459 rc-proposed/krillin
> -
> http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/459.commitlog
> 
> #453 rc-proposed/vegetahd
> -
> http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/vegetahd/453.commitlog
> 
> #451 rc-proposed/arale
> -
> http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en/arale/451.commitlog
> 
> #219 rc-proposed/frieza
> -
> http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en/frieza/219.commitlog
> 
> #210 rc-proposed/turbo
> -
> http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu-pd.en/turbo/210.commitlog
> 
> 
> * Some useful documentation:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/ReleaseSchedule
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
> http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
> 
> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/
> https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/silo-testing
> https://lists.launchpad.net/landing-team-changes/
> https://lists.launchpad.net/landing-team-changes+1/
> 
> 
> * Blocking issues (stable):
> 
> None.
> 
> 
> * Blocking issues (devel):
> 
> None.
> 
> 
> * Issues in need of attention:
> 
> None.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- 
> Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak
> Foundations Team
> lukasz.zemc...@canonical.com 
> www.canonical.com
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] reset BQ E4.5 sin display

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi Matthias,

You might just want to reflash it with the --wipe option.

Else, if you have ssh access, you can use D-Bus to call the factory
reset method. Something like

qdbus --system com.canonical.SystemImage /Service FactoryReset

should do.

Hope this helps,
Michael

On 22.10.2016 13:10, Miguel Menéndez Carrión wrote:
> You must select recovery. The phone will start and the Ubuntu startup
> screen will appear. At that point you have to press the volume up.
> 
> 
> El 22/10/16 a las 13:05, Matthias Apitz escribió:
>> On Saturday, 22 October 2016 12:58:34 CEST, Miguel Menéndez Carrión
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>
>>>   * Select Recovery on the first menu.
>>>   * Wait for 30 seconds.
>>>   * Press volume up.
>>>   * You will see recovery screen. On  that screen you can select Factory
>>> reset.
>>>
>>
>> When I select Rcovery with the Vol- it goes without any further menu
>> to work. Or should I not mark Vol- and just wait while the <<== mark
>> stays on Recovery menu item?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] reset BQ E4.5 sin display

[Michael Zanetti]

Oh, I just noticed that

system-image-cli --factory-reset

should work too.

Br,
Michael

On 22.10.2016 13:51, Michael Zanetti wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> You might just want to reflash it with the --wipe option.
> 
> Else, if you have ssh access, you can use D-Bus to call the factory
> reset method. Something like
> 
> qdbus --system com.canonical.SystemImage /Service FactoryReset
> 
> should do.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Michael
> 
> On 22.10.2016 13:10, Miguel Menéndez Carrión wrote:
>> You must select recovery. The phone will start and the Ubuntu startup
>> screen will appear. At that point you have to press the volume up.
>>
>>
>> El 22/10/16 a las 13:05, Matthias Apitz escribió:
>>> On Saturday, 22 October 2016 12:58:34 CEST, Miguel Menéndez Carrión
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>
>>>>   * Select Recovery on the first menu.
>>>>   * Wait for 30 seconds.
>>>>   * Press volume up.
>>>>   * You will see recovery screen. On  that screen you can select Factory
>>>> reset.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When I select Rcovery with the Vol- it goes without any further menu
>>> to work. Or should I not mark Vol- and just wait while the <<== mark
>>> stays on Recovery menu item?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] BQ E4.5 OTA-13: Which process controls/paints the display?

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi,

On 09.10.2016 20:56, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On a normal Linux/UNIX desktop, we have some X11/Xorg server which
> controls and paints the display (and keyboard and mouse). Which process
> is doing this in our BQ E4.5?

It's Mir, linked as a library to the unity8 process.

> 
> The background of my question is; I have a device which is fully up, one
> can SSH into it, it rings on phone calls, one can control the level of
> the ring audio with the buttons, after the (missed) call the green LED is on,
> ... but the display is off/black.

If all those things work, unity8, and with it Mir must be running
properly. However, what you're seeing is not that it doesn't paint
anything on the display, but rather that the display backlight is turned
off. That in turn is controlled by repowerd.

> 
> Thanks
> 
>   matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] OTA-13 and Meizu MX4, a lot of bugs that make this phone unusable

[Michael Zanetti]

On 28.09.2016 16:57, M G wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> yes, I can confirm that your tip works.
> I leaving the phone off for a few seconds and then boot it again.
> 
> Why this happens? I need to do this everytime that I'm using gps?

As far as I know (I'm not an expert on the lower level stuff) this
happens because a firmware is loaded to the chip when it boots. This
firmware only needs to be reloaded to the chip after it is turned off
completely. Just rebooting the device won't cut the power from the GPS
chip and thus doesn't wipe the firmware from it. Now, if an OTA is
providing a new firmware that is incompatible with the old one, it may
happen that Ubuntu expects the newer version but the chip still has the
older version until you go through the complete power-off cycle and with
that make it upload the newer firmware.

This means, you don't need to do this every time you want to use GPS,
but you may need to do this if you experience GPS problems again after
another system update.

Br,
Michael

> 
> Thank you,
> Marco
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-09-28 13:17 GMT+02:00 Michael Zanetti
> mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>>:
> 
> 
> 
> On 28.09.2016 12:02, M G wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I received last Ubuntu Touch upgrade some days ago, now reached OTA-13,
> > but I never had before all these problems.
> > With respect for all the people that had worked on this update, on MX4
> > is the worst update that I ever received before. I'm using MX4 from june
> > 2015, from the european launch.
> >
> > In this version:
> >
> > - gps stopped to work and with him all the scopes that using gps;
> 
> Try shutting down the phone, leaving it off for a few seconds and boot
> it again. I had the situation that GPS got stuck until I did a cold boot
> (*not* just a reboot). Hopefully this helps for you too.
> 
> Br,
> Michael
> 
> > - hotspot icon stopped to work;
> > - dekko notification doesn't work, and still remain the issue with
> > separated profile SMTP and IMAP;
> > - telegram notification become slower and sometimes doesn't work;
> > - calendar alarm doesn't work and you can't posticipate the alarm;
> > - bluetooth never pair with car hands free system starting from OTA-9
> > (take a look here:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1539158
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1539158> );
> > - the button at the bottom of the screen remain active after
> screen look.
> >
> > Also, it's necessary to update the android firmware, because Meizu
> have
> > released new firmware based on Android 5 some time ago:
> > http://www.flymeos.com/firmwarelist?modelId=5&type=1
> <http://www.flymeos.com/firmwarelist?modelId=5&type=1>
> >
> > Also, MX4 users needs the possibility to use the convergence mode.
> This
> > is a top smartphone with a powerfull hardware, like Meizu pro5,
> but it's
> > not possible to use the display sharing function.
> >
> > This email it's not an attack at the people that every day work on
> > Ubuntu, but just a point of situation, that right now make this
> > smartphone unusable.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Marco
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] OTA-13 and Meizu MX4, a lot of bugs that make this phone unusable

[Michael Zanetti]

On 28.09.2016 12:02, M G wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I received last Ubuntu Touch upgrade some days ago, now reached OTA-13,
> but I never had before all these problems.
> With respect for all the people that had worked on this update, on MX4
> is the worst update that I ever received before. I'm using MX4 from june
> 2015, from the european launch.
>  
> In this version:
> 
> - gps stopped to work and with him all the scopes that using gps;

Try shutting down the phone, leaving it off for a few seconds and boot
it again. I had the situation that GPS got stuck until I did a cold boot
(*not* just a reboot). Hopefully this helps for you too.

Br,
Michael

> - hotspot icon stopped to work;
> - dekko notification doesn't work, and still remain the issue with
> separated profile SMTP and IMAP;
> - telegram notification become slower and sometimes doesn't work;
> - calendar alarm doesn't work and you can't posticipate the alarm;
> - bluetooth never pair with car hands free system starting from OTA-9
> (take a look here:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1539158 );
> - the button at the bottom of the screen remain active after screen look.
> 
> Also, it's necessary to update the android firmware, because Meizu have
> released new firmware based on Android 5 some time ago:
> http://www.flymeos.com/firmwarelist?modelId=5&type=1
> 
> Also, MX4 users needs the possibility to use the convergence mode. This
> is a top smartphone with a powerfull hardware, like Meizu pro5, but it's
> not possible to use the display sharing function.
> 
> This email it's not an attack at the people that every day work on
> Ubuntu, but just a point of situation, that right now make this
> smartphone unusable.
>  
> Thank you,
> Marco
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] UX, Design and launcher

[Michael Zanetti]

On 22.09.2016 11:43, Hans-Peter Guggenbichler wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>  
> I've just subscribed to the bug and marked it as 'affects me too'.
> I recognized, the status of the bug ls 'invalid'. Should it be like this?

Well, as the change was done intentionally after discussions with
carriers, and my bug report merely reflected my own opinion, I think it
is ok that it is invalid. Now, seeing all the arguments people make (esp
the one that Android doesn't seem to show this icon - or perhaps only
when actually being shipped to carriers that require it) we could
probably reopen it.

Pat, what do you think?

Br,
Michael

> Hans-Peter
>  
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 22. September 2016 um 10:10 Uhr
> *Von:* "Michael Zanetti" 
> *An:* "Guillaume F" , ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
> *Betreff:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] UX, Design and launcher
> 
> 
> On 21.09.2016 18:47, Guillaume F wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Le 21/09/2016 à 17:56, Michael Zanetti a écrit :
>>> This, apparently, turns out to be a operator requirement... I reported a
>>> bug about this when it first appeared in rc-proposed but it seems to be
>>> required by network operators to indicate if a SIM card is not present
>>> (it might be damaged and the system not recognizing it any more or
>>> something).
>> I could not find your bug report about this, but I found this one (1). I
>> understand the need to indicate there's no SIM card when there are no
>> SIM cards at all, but most people have only one, so to require to
>> constatly notify users that they don't have a second one seems a bit
>> silly. If anything, it's counter-productive: the user thinks there's
>> something wrong constantly, and the day something is really wrong,
>> he/she might not notice.
>> And anyway, this piece of information is already available when you pull
>> down the indicator. There's not much space in the top panel. How can a
>> network operator require something like that from independent OSes?
>> Can you provide a link to your bug? That way, you won't have to repeat
>> what has already been said there :). Thanks !
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1607291
> 
>>
>> (1) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1616342
>>
>>> I think you definitely have a fair point about it being inverted on a
>>> tablet... It does not help there. On phone-sized devices though, it's
>>> not only about the dash button. all the other launcher icons are aligned
>>> at the bottom too, and I certainly use them a lot and would struggle
>>> more if they were on the top.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, I'll bring this up again with designers, at least for the
>>> tablet use case I agree with you.
>> Yes, you're right, I overlooked the rest of the launcher…
>>
>> But having a different launcher for phone versus the rest might not be a
>> good idea, since (as far as I understand) Ubuntu does not want to
>> consider "form-factors". That's why I was wondering if it would not be
>> best to always have a bottom-up launcher… Would it introduce other
>> problems? Is it an interesting thing to ponder?
>>
>>
>> Guillaume
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] UX, Design and launcher

[Michael Zanetti]

On 21.09.2016 18:47, Guillaume F wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Le 21/09/2016 à 17:56, Michael Zanetti a écrit :
>> This, apparently, turns out to be a operator requirement... I reported a
>> bug about this when it first appeared in rc-proposed but it seems to be
>> required by network operators to indicate if a SIM card is not present
>> (it might be damaged and the system not recognizing it any more or
>> something).
> I could not find your bug report about this, but I found this one (1). I
> understand the need to indicate there's no SIM card when there are no
> SIM cards at all, but most people have only one, so to require to
> constatly notify users that they don't have a second one seems a bit
> silly. If anything, it's counter-productive: the user thinks there's
> something wrong constantly, and the day something is really wrong,
> he/she might not notice.
> And anyway, this piece of information is already available when you pull
> down the indicator. There's not much space in the top panel. How can a
> network operator require something like that from independent OSes?
> Can you provide a link to your bug? That way, you won't have to repeat
> what has already been said there :). Thanks !

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1607291

> 
> (1) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1616342
> 
>> I think you definitely have a fair point about it being inverted on a
>> tablet... It does not help there. On phone-sized devices though, it's
>> not only about the dash button. all the other launcher icons are aligned
>> at the bottom too, and I certainly use them a lot and would struggle
>> more if they were on the top.
>>
>> Nevertheless, I'll bring this up again with designers, at least for the
>> tablet use case I agree with you.
> Yes, you're right, I overlooked the rest of the launcher…
> 
> But having a different launcher for phone versus the rest might not be a
> good idea, since (as far as I understand) Ubuntu does not want to
> consider "form-factors". That's why I was wondering if it would not be
> best to always have a bottom-up launcher… Would it introduce other
> problems? Is it an interesting thing to ponder?
> 
> 
> Guillaume
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] UX, Design and launcher

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi there

On 21.09.2016 17:15, Guillaume F wrote:
> 
> 1) The small part
> In the new notification panel there is a setting in "Vibration"
> regarding whether the device should vibrate when in Silent mode. The
> choice is presented in the form of a list, and I found it strange. If
> the choice is "do" or "don't", shouldn't a switch or a checkbox be more
> appropriate?

fair enough... As it say "no vibration" or "normal vibration" as opposed
to "Vibrate" or "don't vibrate" it kinda suggests there might be more in
the future, like "short vibration", "long vibration"... In which case
the list would make sense again. If not, I tend to agree with you that a
switch would've been better.

> 
> 2) The slightly less small part
> The new network indicator now displays an empty SIM card for the second
> slot in the phone (if you don't have a second SIM card of course).
> What's the point of this change? Most people have only one SIM card,
> right, so why waste space in the indicator panel for something like
> that? The previous behaviour was much better. Because if we go down that
> path, why not always display the keyboard, rotation or file indicators
> (I'm not saying we should!)? Or maybe this is just a bug?

This, apparently, turns out to be a operator requirement... I reported a
bug about this when it first appeared in rc-proposed but it seems to be
required by network operators to indicate if a SIM card is not present
(it might be damaged and the system not recognizing it any more or
something).

> 
> 3) The bigger but not-so-new part
> Finally, I wanted to talk about the launcher a bit. Nothing new here! I
> understand the idea behind the fact that it's inverted in staged mode,
> but I still have doubts about it. Maybe someone could shed some light on
> this :).
> 
> On the phone, the Dash button is at the bottom so you can access it more
> easily. But after one and a half year with my Ubuntu phone, I found that
> I very rarely use this button, since a long swipe has the same result
> and is faster (same conclusion from my other testing subject, but she
> never opens the Dash on the desktop either, so…). And on the tablet, it
> actually is less accessible than if it were at the top, since your thumb
> is most likely to be somewhere near the top. So is it really a good
> reason to invert the launcher? I think a user does not mind changes in
> the UI as long as they understand their purpose (like window
> decoration), but this one seems more confusing than important.
> 
> Personnally, I feel that things get problematic with a device capable of
> "dual modes", like the tablet. It's OK if your phone doesn't have the
> same launcher as your desktop, they are two separate entities. Not so
> with the tablet. When I reach for the launcher to open some app, I'm not
> looking for the right icon. I'm looking for the icon at the right
> position (is that standard human behaviour or are we a minority to think
> like that?). When you use your tablet as a PC and then as a tablet,
> there's always a moment of hesitation and you have to sift through the
> icons to find the good one – which breaks the whole "rapid launch"
> concept – because your app is not where you expect it to be.

I think you definitely have a fair point about it being inverted on a
tablet... It does not help there. On phone-sized devices though, it's
not only about the dash button. all the other launcher icons are aligned
at the bottom too, and I certainly use them a lot and would struggle
more if they were on the top.

Nevertheless, I'll bring this up again with designers, at least for the
tablet use case I agree with you.


> 
> Actually, I think that's quite similar to the "back" button story in
> Ubuntu. Originally it was in the Bottom edge, exactly in the same part
> of the screen than the Dash button, for the same reason. And it made
> sense (and you use the "back" button far more often than the Dash
> button). But it has been decided to move it in the header, which is
> quite harder to access, but is where people expect it to be. Two design
> principles clash: having the most important part of the UI always very
> accessible, or conforming to the users' habits, however "wrong" they
> might be.
> 
> If we don't want to confuse the user, we should not invert the launcher.
> So the next question is: which orientation is best fit for all? Is the
> classic top-down launcher currently used on the desktop the best one?
> Should we consider having the Dash at the bottom of the screen? Many
> people are accustomed to that because of the Windows Start menu, and it
> might also be easier to have a consistent design for the new Dash for
> users who want the whole launcher at the bottom (like in Kylin) since
> the Dash button would be exactly at the same place. And anyway, since
> there's not a bit of orange left in the UI, this big orange square is
> bound to draw people's attention wherever it might be!
> 
> tl;dr, if what I've written makes sense, the launche

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Bluetooth

[Michael Zanetti]

If they are not paired, I think they should disappear after a while, at
latest after a reboot.

You can, however, clear the entire Bluetooth device database (including
paired devices) by running:

rm -rf /var/lib/bluetooth/*

and reboot afterwards.

On 20.09.2016 14:03, Marcin Xc wrote:
> I tried to connect to many Bluetooth devices and did not succeeded but
> they are all still visible on the Bluetooth devices list. I can not
> "forget" them (can't remove them from the list) which also doesn't allow
> me to try again. Is there any way I can delete all of them through the
> terminal?
> 
> Marcin
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Accessing SSH (on Raspbery) from Ubuntu Phone

[Michael Zanetti]

On 19.09.2016 11:04, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> hi,
> Am Montag, den 19.09.2016, 10:00 +0100 schrieb Wayne Ward:
>> If you install terminal then open store and tweakgeek then go into 
>> tweakgeek and look for terminal turn of app susend that will give you
>> ssh 
>> without suspend 
>>
> and if you dont want to turn off app suspend, you can use the "fg"
> command right after bringing the terminal back into focus, to re-attach 
> to the backgrounded ssh session.
> 

except that your ssh connection has probably timed out by then :)




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Strange graphic phenomenon on bq 4.5

[Michael Zanetti]

There is already a bug report about this. But we could not find a way to
trigger this on our devices so investigations haven ended in the void so
far.

If, by any chance, you manage to find a reliable way to trigger this,
please let us know.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/today-scope/+bug/1508905

On 14.09.2016 11:51, Pauli Pilvi wrote:
> This is the second time I've had this graphic clitch. Should I file a
> bug? Last time I had it I got it fixed with reboot.
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What is safe to delete

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi

On 04.08.2016 22:01, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've started fighting with bug
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
> good news is that I have access to all /* folders and files. I'm
> thinking about removing whole kernel and others files. Does 'rm -fr /'
> safe? Will my phone boot into fastboot after that, and next (after
> flashing recovery) install UT? Does UT rom installed by
> sudo ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en
> --device arale
> contain all files needed (kernel, dev, etc.)?
> 

I don't think you should do that. This will not fix your issue and
probably cause troubles. You can try to reflash, but do not manually
delete the files first (flashing will delete all the things for you, use
--wipe for that).

If it is true what that bug says, that you had android on the device and
this feature was enabled with that, my best guess would be to flash
android again, disable it in there, and flash back to Ubuntu. Sounds
like this setting is kept in some chip-memory where we don't have the
tools (or information) on how to change it.

Good luck,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Mass storage

[Michael Zanetti]

On 04.08.2016 16:59, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 12:11:27PM +0200, Michael Zanetti wrote:
>> anyone here has an idea what would be required to enable mass storage
>> over USB instead of MTP?
> 
> For what device/kernel/android stack?  The general problem AIUI is that
> newer versions of Android have moved away from supporting USB mass storage
> by choice; I don't know what's required for re-enabling it.
> 

Hmm, the device I'm using right now is a Pro 5. Odd that this is so far
down in the kernel...



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[Ubuntu-phone] Mass storage

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi,

anyone here has an idea what would be required to enable mass storage
over USB instead of MTP?

Br,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Should App updates be passed to the download manager?

[Michael Zanetti]

On 02.08.2016 15:36, Jim Hodapp wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Rodney Dawes  > wrote:
> 
> The downloads do happen via download manager. They just don't appear in
> the transfers indicator. I'm not entirely sure why.
> 
> However, the updates page must be opened for the update to be
> installed, as the installation there is done in the app itself, after
> the download manager finishes the download and signals the app it is
> done. If the app is closed, nothing is listening for the signal, and
> sow the install won't happen.
> 
> I agree the installs should happen in the background even with the app
> closed. I'm not sure if there is a bug reported or not, but it should
> be if not.
> 
> 
> +1 to that - for many people this would be quite a surprise for app
> updates to not occur if they navigate away from ubuntu system settings.

Fun fact: Given our app lifecycle situation my girlfriend was actually
really surprised that the download continued even though the display
turned off in there :D

> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 01:37 +0100, Daniel McGuire wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > when updating applications on Unity 8 the downloads aren't passed to
> > the download manager like how contacts sync or Podbird (beta)
> > downloads new podcasts. Wouldn't it make sense for the downloads to
> > be passed there? Or is this intentional?
> >
> > I personally think they should as you can have more control over the
> > downloads and (I think) they should continue to download even if the
> > settings app is closed.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Daniel McGuire
> > Ubuntu Member
> >
> > Sent from my Ubuntu Desktop
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] screen shot / clipboard tool / screen capture

[Michael Zanetti]

On 25.07.2016 17:20, Wayne Ward wrote:
> Thank you the print screen works :)

Also note: This is convergence! If Vol+ & Vol- works on a mobile device,
it will also work on your Desktop. It's one code to rule them all!

> im going to do some more testing now ive discovered ubuntu-app-launch
> :)
> is there any schedules for unity 8 landing like around 16.10 or later.
> 
> ive noticed its rather snappy on the desktop and pretty solid 
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On Mon, 2016-07-25 at 09:55 -0400, Stephen M. Webb wrote:
>> On 16-07-25 09:44 AM, Wayne Ward wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys anybody got any suggestions for the following on unity 8 on
>>> desktop. Really enjoying using this on desktop.
>>>
>>> Hot keys for screen shot
>> Try the key marked 'PrtSc' or 'PrtScn' on most keyboards.  Works for
>> me on every device and desktop I've tested.  Always
>> captures the full screen though.
>>
>>>
>>> Clipboard like tool A way to capture screen recordings
>> Yes, an application to do screen recordings from the GUI would be
>> handy.  As it is, there is CLI tool to do that but
>> it's really not user-friendly by any stretch of the
>> imagination.  Heck, it's not even expert-developer friendly, I would
>> argue.
>>
>> -- 
>> Stephen M. Webb  
>>
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] screen shot / clipboard tool / screen capture

[Michael Zanetti]

On 26.07.2016 13:38, Stephen M. Webb wrote:
> On 16-07-26 07:33 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>>
>> Coming back to the original Subject of the thread:
>> The BQ E4.5 can to a screen shot using the volume +/- buttons together.
>> How this is done, i.e. which tool is launched to do the work? I'd like
>> to script something with this to be able to start the screen shot from a
>> SSH session.
> 
> While I'm not sure how the keys do the snapshot (it could be an internal call 
> inside Unity 8 grabbing a frame or
> something) 

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/qml/Components/ItemGrabber.qml#L41


> the command line to grab frames from an ssh session is "mirscreencast".  It 
> has a --help option.
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] screen shot / clipboard tool / screen capture

[Michael Zanetti]

On 26.07.2016 13:35, Stephen M. Webb wrote:
> On 16-07-26 07:31 AM, Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 25.07.2016 17:20, Wayne Ward wrote:
>>> Thank you the print screen works :)
> 
>> Also note: This is convergence! If Vol+ & Vol- works on a mobile device, it 
>> will also work on your Desktop. It's
>> one code to rule them all!
> 
> Do you mean Vol+ & Vol- takes a screenshot?  All it seems to do on my phone 
> and tablet is change the volume
> 

Tried pressing them both at the same time? :)



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] BQ 4.5 bluetooth issues

[Michael Zanetti]

On 19.07.2016 13:53, gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote:
> On 2016-07-19 12:20, Michael Zanetti wrote:
>> On 19.07.2016 12:58, Francisco Pina Martins wrote:
>>> I don't think it's a hardware issue. My BQ E4.5 Ubuntu Edition was
>>> working flawlessly with the in-car bluetooth system up until OTA-9, and
>>> only stopped working after being updated to OTA-10 (when the migration
>>> to Bluez5 happened).
>>
>> Same here. It's definitely software and yes, the BlueZ 5 migration
>> regressed it.
> 
> Really? My E4.5 has never connected to my bluetooth correctly. They
> symptoms change periodically but it has never been possible to have a
> conversation on it. I propose we have more than one issue at play, and
> one of them appears to also be present on the Android version.
> 

Yes, it was working perfectly fine for me up to OTA-9. Now, with Bluez 5
I'm facing mainly those two issue that render handsfree useless for me.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1563768
https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1603150




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] BQ 4.5 bluetooth issues

[Michael Zanetti]

On 19.07.2016 12:58, Francisco Pina Martins wrote:
> I don't think it's a hardware issue. My BQ E4.5 Ubuntu Edition was
> working flawlessly with the in-car bluetooth system up until OTA-9, and
> only stopped working after being updated to OTA-10 (when the migration
> to Bluez5 happened).

Same here. It's definitely software and yes, the BlueZ 5 migration
regressed it.

> 
> Francisco
> 
> On 19-07-2016 10:13, gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote:
>> On 2016-07-19 09:54, Geoffrey Van Wiele wrote:
>>> Gareth,
>>>
>>> Could you have a look and see if its similar to the following bug?
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1578176
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Geoffrey
>>>
>>
>> Very similar, however we can hear the other person but they can't hear
>> us. The phone doesn't lock up after we hang up and suffers no ill
>> effects.
>>
>> Remember this is an android handset. The symptoms are identical to how
>> my own E4.5 behaves and I doubt that is a coincidence.
>>
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Pokemon Go

[Michael Zanetti]

On 15.07.2016 15:27, Alan Bell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15/07/16 14:02, Dave Morley wrote:
>> Alan your logic seems to be flawed, I get gps on google maps in the
> no no no. Google maps is fine, always. It subscribes to updates. This is
> about things that do *not* subscribe to updates, things that just want
> to know where you are.
> For example
> https://www.where-am-i.net/
> and a ton of sites that just want to know where you are for things like
> this https://www.aldi.co.uk/store-finder
> they are not doing navigation, they are not presenting you on a map as a
> moving dot. They just want a single latlng and then they are done, but
> location services hands out junk, and doesn't wake up the GPS so you can
> refresh forever and nothing will update, and there is no indication that
> your GPS is still fast asleep. You have to go to google maps, wait for
> it to get a dot at your location, then go back to your location aware
> thing and refresh to let it know where you actually are.

Interesting. Now I understand the issue. Did you report a bug which
describes the issue in such detail? If so, please shoot over the link so
I can subscribe to it.

> 
>> browser, as do I in here maps web app and unav, so the issue is why you
>> don't.  There is an old bug for location on mtk chips which basically
>> means the system doesn't know the status of the gps hardware a reboot
>> fixes that, but that only tend to happen on first boots after upgrades
>> or fresh flashes.
>>
>> This might be the cause of some of your issues maybe.
> nope.
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The big disappointment

[Michael Zanetti]

On 14.07.2016 13:53, Markonuvo A. Checo wrote:
> What if I told you he's helping himself? ( oblivious rant dude )
> 
> I would call this project as in Alpha phase ain't it ? (Actual question)
> It can be said that, the Ubuntu phone boots up, but... What is a
> smartphone without apps to give it value ? I don care. Is it possible to
> buy an Ubuntu Phone to develop for Ubuntu Phone instead of going rogue
> with an Android one ? I'm actually not interested in the Ubuntu Phone if
> it doesn't give the Desktop experience part.
> 
> I subscribed here but haven't been around due to lack of time, has he
> been ranting for long ?

It's been going on for a while, yes. Seems very repetitive.

> 
> I know espaniol btw he said "practico" that's *practical*, critics are
> good input too guys. You may not like that particular "ranting" style
> but... Who cares? he's not shouting at my face in fact. He's sending us
> bytes through the net so that's not so bad. ratatatta ratatatatat! Die
> pew pew!! ratatata! Sleep is for chimps!! I'll rest when I die!! ratatatata!

Sure, critics is good input too, but not when the same rant is repeated
over and over again, ignoring all the answers on previous rants.

> 
> Happy Llamas!
> 
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:25 AM, Alan Griffiths  > wrote:
> 
> On 11/07/16 07:54, francisco mulas caracuel wrote:
> > Legend has it that canonical believed that above 4.5 smartphones "were 
> not practicos.Bq offered them his model. What happened? We have been 
> abandoned. Meizu MX4 , pro mx 5 , mx 6 , high-end .
> > For what? to ridicule.Only excuses , lying to large companies with this 
> S.O. that is useless and if you is great,Trolls !!!
> 
> I think you started with expectations that were not justified by
> anything Canonical said. (At least in nothing I've read - I don't read
> Spanish.) That's not a "legend" that's, at best, a "myth".
> 
> While progress is visible with every OTA I agree this is still a
> work-in-progress (but that's what I expected and it doesn't make me
> angry).
> 
> There's a lot of things that can be hoped for from this project, but it
> all takes effort and time. It has been repeatedly stated that help with
> the things that matter to people will be welcomed and suggestions made
> about how the form that help can take.
> 
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> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The big disappointment

[Michael Zanetti]

Can you please stop those useless rants? You're not helping anyone with
this.

On 11.07.2016 08:54, francisco mulas caracuel wrote:
> Legend has it that canonical believed that above 4.5 smartphones "were not 
> practicos.Bq offered them his model. What happened? We have been abandoned. 
> Meizu MX4 , pro mx 5 , mx 6 , high-end .
> For what? to ridicule.Only excuses , lying to large companies with this S.O. 
> that is useless and if you is great,Trolls !!!
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] USB OTB

[Michael Zanetti]

On 08.07.2016 14:47, Pat McGowan wrote:
>  Assuming you want to tether to the M10,  it is not yet supported in the
> UI but there are a couple ways as described
> at http://askubuntu.com/questions/616245/tether-ubuntu-bq-phone. 

FWIW, there's a UI for this in Ubuntu Touch Tweak Tool in OpenStore.

> 
> If you instead want to use a dongle to Ethernet, that should work but
> there are devices that do not as described
> at https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1587305
> 
> Pat
> 
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:06 AM, dada  > wrote:
> 
> I mean : can you have an Internet connection with this technology ?
> 
> 
> Le 07/07/2016 19:11, dada a écrit :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is someone able to tell me it the USB OTG connection works with
> the Aquaris M10 ?
> 
> Thanks a lot for your work !
> 
> Regards,
> 
> dada
> 
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] General performance

[Michael Zanetti]

Most of them are really happening because android is some 10 years ahead
in optimizing things. If you compare Ubuntu now and 3 years ago, you'll
notice a considerable difference already. And we keep on improving
things. But especially when it comes to performance tuning, it's not
like you change one line of code and suddenly everything will be fast.
It takes time.

That said, some if the issues you are reporting are new to me. For
instance I can't confirm a few seconds freeze when switching apps. You
probably should report bugs on Launchpad for those issue with *very*
detailed steps how to reproduce them.

Br,
Michael

On 22.06.2016 10:42, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I don't want to start any Android vs Ubuntu war, just to ask
> something. I spent some time with the first one (flashed from UT) in
> my MX4. Comparing few things:
> - starting apps are faster, usually immediately (comparing to UT, when
> even simple calculator starts few seconds);
> - killing apps open in background also instant (while in UT, in
> example when I 'kill' unav, I'm getting 1-2 sec freeze);
> - switching between apps in A. is like previous - can't notice any
> lag/freeze. In UT try to switch between unav and Cut the rope - few
> seconds freeze.
> - in UT there are many frame per seconds drops while
> scrolling/changing scopes/etc.: is there a problem with phone GPU (bad
> drivers)?
> 
> I understand that Android and UT are different systems, but is there
> any simple answer for below:
> Why with that high specs, UT phone is really slow?
> Is there because of some other memory management or processor usage?
> Or in Android there are some exclusive adjustments/fixes for each
> devices separately?
> Or UT don't use 100% capabilities of the device (no drivers)?
> 
> Best regards,
> Krzysztof Tataradziński
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Two bugs regarding screen/touch

[Michael Zanetti]

On 14.06.2016 17:55, Pat McGowan wrote:
> I use the MX4 and do not have any trouble with the edge gestures,
> although some have suggested tuning the pixel count
> From the video I see in one case you are swiping an area with no gesture
> defined (the center of the panel under recent calls). 
> 
> For the first bug we do not support double tap to wake so something else
> is happening to wake the phone. We made a number of recet fixes to
> reduce the possibility of various events turning on the screen.
> Ironically there are several requests to enable double tap to wake.

Yes, I'm a supporter of that request, however, if enabled, the proximity
sensor needs to be taken into account too and only allow waking up if it
is not covered.

:)

> 
> There is a bug you may be hitting where the hardware home button stays
> active and touching it turns on the screen if the phone has not yet
> suspended.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński
> mailto:ktatar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Maybe, for now I corrected titles.
> But does that affect anyone else? I came back from Android and I don't
> want to go back. But these two bugs causing that I can't use my phone
> most of time.
> 
> Best regards,
> Krzysztof Tataradziński
> https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156
> 
> 2016-06-14 16:31 GMT+02:00 Matthias Apitz  >:
> > El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 04:08:38PM +0200, Krzysztof
> Tataradziński escribió:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Please see below bugs
> >>
> >>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
> >>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417
> >
> > They seem only affect (if at all) the MX4, not the BQ E4.5.
> >
> > matthias
> > --
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> http://www.unixarea.de/  ☎ +49-176-38902045 
> > "Die Verkaufsschlager des Buchmarkts geben Auskunft über den
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Get root access

[Michael Zanetti]

On 13.06.2016 17:12, Rodney Dawes wrote:
> You should not change the root filesystem (/) to read/write mode and
> install things with apt. The partition will fill up quickly as it is
> small, and you will break updates if you do so.
> 
> If you must use some command line tools, you can do so using a simple
> chroot, or by using the newer libertine tools.
> 
> For using a chroot see http://askubuntu.com/a/623311/50737
> This answer will be updated to include the libertine solution, when all
> of the necessary pieces are available directly on all images. However,
> if you are on the M10 tablet, then installing the tools you need inside
> the libertine container and using them from there, is the preferred way
> to do this.

What I did for some tools like qdbus (mc falls into the same category I
suppose) is to just copy the binaries from the deb packages on launchpad
into ~/bin/.

Just to have such small tools around, keeping a whole chroot seems a bit
overkill to me. So I was wondering if it wouldn't be possible to change
dpkg's root to ~ or something so that we could apt-get install some
command line tools easily without a) requiring read-write mode and b) a
full chroot/container.


> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2016-06-13 at 17:51 +0300, Николай Шатохин wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> How to get write permissions to root filesystem. I need to install
>> some utils (like Midnight Commander) using apt-get.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Nick
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Log viewer app

[Michael Zanetti]

On 19.06.2016 17:56, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El domingo, 19 de junio de 2016 16:21:17 (CEST), nick luigi eusebio
>  escribió:
>> I can't see it as well on my Nexus 7 which is in rc-proposed. Probably
>> it's using a development version of the toolkit?I still see it on my
>> phone though (OTA 11)
>>
>>   
> 
> I installed it in my M10 (OTA 11), but can't see any advantage over just
> using vi.

Didn't know vi can paste things to paste.ubuntu.com and allows to select
logs by tapping on them instead of fiddling with the OSK to type long
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Number of pixels / edge length which acts with swipes changed?

[Michael Zanetti]

On 14.06.2016 01:05, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote:
> Hello,
> I came back to UT from Android today and there are some problems for me now:
> I almost can't use swiping left-right. Does number of pixels / edge
> length which was showing launcher or open apps changed to some
> smaller?
> For now, to use left or right feature I need to swipe 10-15 times!

It has been made configurable where the default setting for BQ devices
is the same as the hardcoded value from before. For Meizu devices this
has been increased from 2 to 3 grid units.

You can install Ubuntu Touch Tweak Tool and change the setting there if
you like:

https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi

Br,
Michael

> 
> Second: importing contacts from Google account not working (switched
> to 'on' address-book-app in Accounts options, but does do nothing). Is
> that a known bug?
> 
> Third: trying to update apps, removes my Ubuntu One account - known bug?
> 
> Best regards,
> Krzysztof Tataradziński
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] will the browser icon get changed at any point?

[Michael Zanetti]

I just had a chat with Matthieu, our icon designer and he said he is
currently working on another proposal for the browser icon. He said the
design team agreed for a long time that this icon needed to change but
just didn't get to it yet.

Br,
Michael

On 08.06.2016 18:50, Alan Bell wrote:
> For some reason the webbrowser-app started using and is still using a
> north east pointing orange/white/grey compass on a blue world map
> background, it looks like this http://www.tmfile.com/mark/?q=850198578
> and it really really shouldn't. You can't pick your family but you can
> pick your enemies and this is *far* from being a sensible enemy to choose.
> 
> This has been reported some time ago,
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1505970
> and I even offered a merge request with a more ubuntuish icon as a
> suggested alternative, although I am fine with the design team actually
> drawing something else original and on-brand.
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] unsuscribe ubunto mailing list

[Michael Zanetti]

On 09.06.2016 17:46, lum...@freenet.de wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> please unsuscribe me from mailing list.

You can unsubscribe yourself :)

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What’s new in webbrowser-app in OTA-11 ?

[Michael Zanetti]

Thanks Olivier,

seems like a nice update :)

On 30.05.2016 12:39, Olivier Tilloy wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> With the release of OTA-11 just around the corner, here is a list of
> the most significant changes in the browser app since OTA-10:
> 
>  - Use of the UITK’s SwipeArea component for the bottom edge gesture
> recognition (fixes a long standing issue with activating elements at
> the bottom of a page)
>  - Added UA overrides to make google hangouts work on all form factors
>  - Dynamic Ubuntu version number in default user-agent string
>  - Fine-tuned the memory-pressure handler that unloads background tabs
>  - Proper handling of window-level keyboard shortcuts
>  - Redesigned media permission request dialog
>  - List items that open new pages in settings are visually identified
> as such with a progression symbol
> 
> And a number of bug fixes.
> Anyone interested in details, have a look at the bzr history for
> lp:webbrowser-app, revisions 1391 to 1453.
> 
> Happy web browsing!
> 
>  Olivier
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Heads up! When using AdaptivePageLayout, make sure your Page has a PageHeader.

[Michael Zanetti]

On 21.05.2016 22:18, Zsombor Egri wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Alberto Mardegan
> mailto:alberto.marde...@canonical.com>>
> wrote:
> 
> On 20/05/2016 18:45, Tim Peeters wrote:
> > The reasons that we do this in 1.3 and not introduce 1.4 right now are
> > the following:
> > - Having 1.4 would not solve the problem.
> 
> It definitely would.
> 
> 
> No, it wouldn't. Because once we open 1.4, people will jump on it,
> because some features they need will be available only in 1.4, and in
> case we have to drop some support like now in one of the components, we
> will have this conversation again, and again, and again...

The difference here in comparison to something else is really that UITK
is shipping unfinished APIs. Usuually, when an API ends up on the
device, it is considered to be stable. Not in this case.

I think this is the main reason why we are having this conversation
again and again and again, and people's apps keep breaking again and
again and again.

While I understand why this is the case for now, I think this is what
needs to change in the long run. Once you ship it, it's done, don't
touch it any more. If you messed up, next chance for course correction
is when you bump the version next time. I'm not saying this is easy or
anything, but this is how it works everywhere else.

> 
> 
> > APL is not performing good
> > enough now, so you have to switch to 1.4 anyway.
> 
> It is performing well enough for people who are using it. People who are
> not satisfied with it will move to 1.4.
> 
> 
> Well, we had to introduce few properties to get it responsive, and that
> still wasn't good not enough. And we do care about the 5-10 seconds app
> startup. You seem not to know the startup consumption, we do.
>  
> 
> 
> > - UITK 1.3 is not feature complete yet (but we are getting close).
> 
> It's good enough for people who are using it now. When people will
> decide they need new components, they'll move to 1.4. 
> 
> 
> > - Introducing a new version will require us to duplicate the qml files
> > for the components and themes,
> 
> Use symlinks like the apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu project is doing. It's
> actually a very good way of keeping track of what files have changed and
> what file haven't.
> 
> 
> We can use symlinks. Indeed. Unless 1.4 will work with 5.5 or 5.6. In
> which case all components will have to be unlinked and import 2.5/2.6.
> So this theory doesn't work. We thought about it when opening 1.3
>  
> 
> 
> > duplicate all the tests,
> 
> I don't think you should. At most, add a test which computes a checksum
> of the 1.3 source tree and verifies that it never changes (in this way
> you make sure that any modifications to it won't be accidental).
> 
> 
> We already only duplicate those component tests which do differ in
> between the versions. 
> 
> 
> > and add an
> > otherwise useless property to StyledItem to detect the correct version
> > of the theme.
> 
> If it's necessary to maintain the API contract, it's not
> unnecessary. :-)
> 
> 
> Well, it is. Because we have dynamic theming, components must know from
> which version they should load their style, depending on the import they
> got used from. And that is not possible without some module-version
> specific property in StyledItem. If we don't have to add anything else,
> we have to add then some fake crap, which is not nice.
> 
> 
> > - Updating the apps to 1.4 will be a lot of work but necessary if the
> > apps want to use the convergence features.
> 
> The only additional work is replacing "1.3" with "1.4". And actually, I
> wonder if you could avoid requiring it (with QtQuick, one can import 2.0
> and 2.6 in the same app, and everything works fine).
> 
> 
> Indeed. But there is a difference between QtQuick and Ubuntu Components.
> QtQuick is fully done with C++ and has no dynamic theming. And it is one
> single plugin, no matter if you import 2.0 or 2.6. We do have dynamic
> theming, and that doesn't let us import 1.3 and 1.4 same time. If two
> versions are imported, the theming versioning will be screwed. If we'd
> have static theming (like QtQuick Controls 2), it would be fine, as
> those would be in two different modules. Never the less, it would need
> to import two different modules. And here we go RAM hunger. More,
> components from 1.2 don't work with all 1.3 components, and same will
> happen if we go for 1.4. And you say simply apps will just change to
> import 1.4 instead of 1.4... There will be more than that. There were
> apps which few weeks ago were still mixing versions, and that caused us
> trouble.
> 
> 
> > Because of all this, we better finish UITK 1.3 and then declare it as
> > frozen and support it for a long time.
> 
> Wishful thinking. :-) 2.0 will be much better in all respects, and who
> knows if design will want to revamp the components in the m

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Heads up! When using AdaptivePageLayout, make sure your Page has a PageHeader.

[Michael Zanetti]

On 20.05.2016 12:14, Tim Peeters wrote:
> Hello Alberto
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Alberto Mardegan
> mailto:alberto.marde...@canonical.com>>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Zsombor,
> 
> On 20/05/2016 08:33, Zsombor Egri wrote:
> [...]
> > Second, frameworks do guard you from API breaks, indeed. What I am
> > surprised a bit is you guys immediately thought this change will be an
> > API break. Which is not. Again, this wasn't clear from the original
> > mail.
> [...]
> 
> You yourself wrote this just a couple of messages above:
> 
> "apps made prior to 15.04.5 (or wherever this change will land) will
> stop working with pages using old header configuration setup. So if you
> have apps in the store which uses APL with old page header
> configurations, please update those."
> 
> Whether this is an API break or behavioural break or anything else, what
> ultimately matters to developers is: does my app require changes?
> I still haven't understood the answer to that (call me "slow" :-) ).
> 
> 
> Yes, if your app uses APL but the old deprecated header, the app will
> need to be updated. That's why I sent out the reminder.
>  
> 
> 
> [...]
> > Third: we do not have the labs module, therefore we are releasing
> > components straight to the final module. But, we never said that 1.3 is
> > feature complete, frozen. We said the API is released, and we stick to
> > it, but as long as it is not frozen, we may and most probably will
> > change behavior as the planned feature set requires us to do that. Once
> > the component set gets frozen, we will open the next version and will
> > work on that.
> [...]
> 
> Unless I misunderstood you again, this is a terrible way of delivering
> an SDK.
> Developers must be told: the current stable release is X.Y. The stable
> release can receive only bugfixes, which in no way can break the API or
> cause behavioural changes (other than the matter of the bugfix, of
> course).
> If UITK 1.3 does not satisfy these requirements, developers must be told
> to use 1.2, and all the documentation and QtCreator templates must be
> changed to recommend using 1.2.
> 
> 
> The stable release is 1.2, which does not break API or behavior.
> 
> UITK 1.3 is still under development, but if you need the convergence
> features or new designs, that is the one you need to use. We will
> release 1.3 as stable once those features are there, tested and with
> high performance.
> 
> 
> Once an app has been published to the store it should always continue
> working unmodified, until the framework is retired.
> 
> 
> If we only ask people to use 1.3 only after it is marked as stable, we
> would have to mark it stable without having a lot of testing of actual
> apps with it, so I do not think that is a good idea. Also apps need
> components like APL now, and we cannot let them wait until all the
> features for convergence are 100% ready (and tested in actual apps)
> before they are allowed to use 1.3.

I don't think the target should be "all features are 100%" ready. But
why not bumping the version more often and introduce some features at
any version? Noone would complain if this breakage would have happened
when changing the import from 1.3 to 1.4. Developers will have a
controlled way of upgrading then. Unlike the current situation where an
app will magically break and after fixing, it will work on stable but
not on rc-proposed or the other way round.

I see your point that it is hard to deliver new features while keeping
released apis stable. But that's really how it needs to work. There will
always be a requirement to deliver new features, that won't ever change.
We can't use that as an excuse to never have a stable API.

Br,
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internet Sharing Capabilities? (current status)

[Michael Zanetti]

On 10.05.2016 19:30, Felipe De La Puente wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have been using my Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch since the early days and
> it's giving me the minimum I need for my use case.
> 
> One feature that has been challenging is internet sharing (aka
> tethering?). As far as I know Wifi Hotspot is disabled due to
> undetermined behavior in my device, so I use my phone as gateway by
> switching the USB driver to rndis instead of mtp when I need it. This
> kind of works...
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. What is the current status and near-term roadmap for USB/Wifi access
> to the internet using an Ubuntu Touch device as gateway?

AFAIK, the reason why hotspot is disabled on the Nexus 4 is that the
WiFi chip driver is not operating stable enough for hotspot.

As you said yourself, the RNDIS USB mode should work fine. If you want a
graphical tool for setting that up, you can use UT Tweak Tool from the
OpenStore.

> 
> 2. What's the expected out of the box status of the new Meizu Pro 5 with
> respect to this?

I have never ever used that feature myself (I prefer USB) but at least
it shows up here on my Pro5 in system settings.

> 
> 
> I'm about to buy a Pro 5 for my father but not being able to share
> internet access would be a showstopper for him (his only way of getting
> internet access is using his mobile phone).
> 
> Thanks!
> Felipe.
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Best means for getting photos OFF Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition?

[Michael Zanetti]

On 09.05.2016 17:36, Tony Espy wrote:
> On 05/09/2016 10:27 AM, Michael Zanetti wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 09.05.2016 15:14, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> Am Montag, 9. Mai 2016 02:00:20 PDT schrieb Michael Zanetti
>>> :
>>>> Hmm... The fact that people seem to recommend ssh and even adb over
>>>> MTP,
>>>> indicates that something seems wrong with our MTP support.
>>>>
>>>
>>> nah, it is rather the fact that USB is unreliable on the MX4 ...
>>
>> It's not working properly for me nor my wife, both on krillin.
> 
> There may indeed be issues with our MTP support.  Have you filed a bug
> for the issues you and your wife see with krillin?

Hey Tony, yes I did:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1565675

Please let me know if you need additional logs. Happy to help with testing.

> 
> That said, the MX4 USB hardware is known to be flaky.  It's hard to have
> solid MTP support with an unreliable transport.


Yes, my MX4's USB port died completely. But no, all the issues I am
seeing with MTP are happening with krillin devices.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Best means for getting photos OFF Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition?

[Michael Zanetti]

On 09.05.2016 15:14, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> hi,
> 
> Am Montag, 9. Mai 2016 02:00:20 PDT schrieb Michael Zanetti
> :
>> Hmm... The fact that people seem to recommend ssh and even adb over MTP,
>> indicates that something seems wrong with our MTP support.
>>
> 
> nah, it is rather the fact that USB is unreliable on the MX4 ...

It's not working properly for me nor my wife, both on krillin.

> 
> ciao
>oli
> 
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Best means for getting photos OFF Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition?

[Michael Zanetti]

On 09.05.2016 11:11, Filip Dorosz wrote:
> I too use SFTP because MTP is unreliable. It crash nautilus often while
> copying big amounts of data.
> 
>> perhaps bet on the wrong horse and should try to find an alternative >
> to MTP?
> 
> or fix existing implementation perhaps?

Indeed, that sounds like an option. But I think many of the MTP issues
are not the phone's fault, but MTP is in general known as a very fragile
thing. At least in my experience, MTP never worked reliable, regardless
of what device combination I used. Not to mention that there is no
support for MTP on MacOS X, in-car radios with USB ports etc at all.

> 
> Z poważaniem,
> Filip Dorosz
> 
> W dniu 09.05.2016 o 11:00, Michael Zanetti pisze:
>> Hmm... The fact that people seem to recommend ssh and even adb over MTP,
>> indicates that something seems wrong with our MTP support.
>>
>> Indeed, I myself use sftp too because MTP isn't reliable enough to copy
>> bigger chunks of data for me. For my wife, it mostly just fails to
>> connect to the phone at all. She actually telegrams all the data to
>> herself now and saves them from the Desktop Telegram client. Did we
>> perhaps bet on the wrong horse and should try to find an alternative
>> to MTP?
>>
>> Br,
>> Michael
>>
>> On 09.05.2016 07:14, Nathan Haines wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2016 09:40 PM, bruce wrote:
>>>> What a cool tip! I didn't know you could do that.
>>>>
>>>> On 05/09/2016 12:31 AM, Nathan Haines wrote:
>>>>> ssh://phablet@[ip address]/home/phablet/
>>>
>>> You can even open and save files in GNOME apps that way.  If I need to
>>> do a *very* minor update to my website, for instance, I sometimes use
>>> Nautilus to access it (my SSH key automatically authenticates),
>>> right-click > Open with > Gedit the HTML file, make the change, hit
>>> Save, and exit.
>>>
>>> It's a very handy feature.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Best means for getting photos OFF Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition?

[Michael Zanetti]

Hmm... The fact that people seem to recommend ssh and even adb over MTP,
indicates that something seems wrong with our MTP support.

Indeed, I myself use sftp too because MTP isn't reliable enough to copy
bigger chunks of data for me. For my wife, it mostly just fails to
connect to the phone at all. She actually telegrams all the data to
herself now and saves them from the Desktop Telegram client. Did we
perhaps bet on the wrong horse and should try to find an alternative to MTP?

Br,
Michael

On 09.05.2016 07:14, Nathan Haines wrote:
> On 05/08/2016 09:40 PM, bruce wrote:
>> What a cool tip! I didn't know you could do that.
>>
>> On 05/09/2016 12:31 AM, Nathan Haines wrote:
>>> ssh://phablet@[ip address]/home/phablet/
> 
> You can even open and save files in GNOME apps that way.  If I need to
> do a *very* minor update to my website, for instance, I sometimes use
> Nautilus to access it (my SSH key automatically authenticates),
> right-click > Open with > Gedit the HTML file, make the change, hit
> Save, and exit.
> 
> It's a very handy feature.
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Development] Bluetooth support for app development

[Michael Zanetti]

On 04.05.2016 14:53, Matthijs wrote:
> 
> 
> Op woensdag 4 mei 2016 14:16:09 CEST schreef Michael Zanetti
> :
>>
>>
>> On 04.05.2016 14:11, Matthijs wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> qml-module-qtbluetooth is installed since OTA 9 with libqt5bluetooth5
>>> To use this, I should access the bt device from qml right? Or does it
>>> also provide the C++ api?
>>
>> Here you'll find all the available types:
>>
>> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtbluetooth-index.html
>>
>> Br,
>> Michael
>>
> Sorry for being ignorant, but I was using this and it works fine on my
> laptop (16.10 installed). When I switch targets to armhf
> ubuntu-sdk-15.04 I get the message:
> 
> Unknown module(s) in QT: bluetooth
> 
> I found a discussion where it was mentioned qtconnectivity5-dev should
> be installed in that case, but apt shows me the message this package can
> not be found.
> So if the qt bluetooth should be availanle out of the box in ubuntu sdk,
> my issue would be that I canmot seem to set up the appropriate click
> chroot. Or am I missing something?

right... we should probably add those to the development chroot seed too.

open the maintenance terminal for the click chroot and do

apt-get install qtconnectivity5-dev:armhf

Then it should work.

> 
> Thanks,
> Matthijs
> 
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Development] Bluetooth support for app development

[Michael Zanetti]

On 04.05.2016 14:11, Matthijs wrote:
> 
>>
>> qml-module-qtbluetooth is installed since OTA 9 with libqt5bluetooth5
> To use this, I should access the bt device from qml right? Or does it
> also provide the C++ api?

Here you'll find all the available types:

http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtbluetooth-index.html

Br,
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Development] Bluetooth support for app development

[Michael Zanetti]

On 04.05.2016 12:16, Konrad Zapalowicz wrote:
> On 05/04, Matthijs wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My apologies if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find amy info on
>> it, so here it goes:
> 
> No worries :)
> 
>> I'm making an app for heartrate measurement with a bluetooth le sensor. I've
>> been using the Qt bt framework and the app works perfectly on amd64
>> platform, but qt bluetooth is not part of the armhf click chroot. As I
>> understand I should be using bluez rather than Qt for bluetooth, but I just
>> can not get the app to compile (headers of libbluetooth installed, but
>> cannot link against lbluetooth).
> 
> Are you sure that this library is installed? I ask because you mention
> only the headers.

Using QtBluetooth is fine, however, it is indeed not seeded in the
image. For now you can ship those libs yourself in your click package,
but we really should start shipping them in the image.

Pat, Konrad, what's your opinions on that?

Also note that right now you will only be able to publish any Bluetooth
enabled app in the OpenStore. There are apparmor policies missing for
Bluetooth.

Again, Pat, Konrad, what's the ETA on that? I reported some bugs already
for this with information on what would be required. Think we could put
that on the roadmap for the near future now?

> 
>> Is there any information available on the steps to take to access a bt
>> device on ubuntu phone, using C++?
> 
> As for the BlueZ you must know that the communication is realized using
> the DBus interfaces. The BlueZ is exposing an API that allows the
> clients to pair, connect, etc... You may try to read the Ubuntu System
> Settings sources Bluetooth plugin [1] to get the understanding how this
> is done.

I would not recommend to use the D-Bus interface directly in client
apps, instead, go through QtBluetooth as far as it's possible.

Here you can find some apps that make use of Bluetooth:

* Using QBluetoothSocket for an RFCOMM connection to a smartwatch
https://launchpad.net/rockwork

* Using QBluetoothDeviceDiscoveryModel and QBluetoothFileTransfer to
find nearby devices and send files to them.
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/+junk/ubtd/files/head:/shareplugin/

Please let us know about your use cases to collect some experience on
what apps would want to do with Bluetooth.

Cheers,
Michael




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Gallery update bug

[Michael Zanetti]

On 02.05.2016 21:00, Wayne Ward wrote:
> Small bug after gallery update to content share
> Wayne :)


Small note on mailing list usage:
http://wikibin.org/articles/thread-hijacking.html

Michael :)



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] M10 Contact sync with Cardav

[Michael Zanetti]

On 03.05.2016 13:29, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> hi,
> Am Dienstag, den 03.05.2016, 11:07 + schrieb Paul Harmsworth:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I can see that Contacts allows a google account to be setup but that  
>> does not help me.
>>
>> I need to be able to sync contacts with horde using either activsync  
>> or Caldav could someone point me in the right direction please?
>>
> how about 
> https://gurucubano.gitbooks.io/bq-aquaris-e-4-5-ubuntu-phone/content/en//chapter9.html
> ?

That seems to only do manual import/export. If you want real sync, I
could offer this one:

http://notyetthere.org/syncing-ubuntu-touch-with-owncloud-or-any-carddav-server/

Br,
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] syslog on M10

[Michael Zanetti]

On 03.05.2016 11:36, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> hi,
> Am Dienstag, den 03.05.2016, 09:39 +0200 schrieb Reiner Klenk:
>> Can something be done about the extremely verbose logging on the M10?
>> It was bad with the stable image already, on rc-proposed it's even
>> worse.  I just counted lines in a syslog file and there were 1000
>> lines within a second.
> 
> the issues are known and all being worked on ... 
> 
> note that the syslog file is limited in size, logrotate will regulary
> flush it if it reaches 20MB, auth.log is cut at 10MB
> (see /etc/logrotate.d/touch-syslog)

That sounds like something I'd want for the > 6GB GPS logfile I found
the other day :D




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] One week with the M10

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi Gareth,

mind filing those issues on launchpad?

On 30.04.2016 16:57, Gareth France wrote:
> And what a frustrating week it has been. I think I've discovered the
> rough edges and I'm not ready to let go of my laptop just yet. So here's
> a list of issues I've been dealing with:
> 
> 1. Using my bluetooth keyboard with trackpad is a real pain as whenever
> I go to move the mouse cursor it immediately switches between several
> running apps, usually settling back on the scopes (my guess is that this
> is simply the price you pay for being tight and only spending £10 on a
> keyboard)

Does that keyboard behave the same when you connect it to your laptop?

> 
> 2. The setting to turn off the screen after x minutes says 'don't worry,
> this won't turn off when you are watching a video', however this
> apparently does not apply to youtube!
> 
> 3. As we all now know youtube videos lose video/audio sync pretty much
> right away. Mine also kept briefly pausing and once in fullscreen
> (loaded in firefox) it apparently wasn't possible to back out to normal
> again.
> 
> 4. On my keyboard at least escape does not work and neither does ALT + F4.

Alt+F4 should actually be implemented... I wonder why it doesn't work
for you then.

> 
> 5. In desktop mode using the keyboard to delete emails it does not
> select the next email automatically, leaving you to click, delete,
> click, delete, click delete.

Bug report for Dekko please.

> 
> 6. Facebook (firefox) can't back out of images displayed full screen.
> 
> Not a bad list really. None of it seems too difficult to deal with, but
> for now I'll be keeping one hand on my laptop.
> 

Br,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Tagger not working?

[Michael Zanetti]

Did you upgrade to OTA-10 or are you still on the initial release
(OTA-9.5)? There were some issues in the initial release which prevented
some things like screenshotting (and with that prevented tagger from
reading the image programmatically).



On 27.04.2016 12:02, Gareth France wrote:
> Any ideas why mine might not be?
> 
> On 27 April 2016 at 10:51, Olivier Tilloy  <mailto:olivier.til...@canonical.com>> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Gareth France
> mailto:gareth.fra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I have raised another bug as I have discovered my inability to decode 
> QRs is
> > a separate thing. I have tried using example codes found online, big and
> > clear. I have tried taking a photo, cropping and using that photo. 
> Nothing
> > decodes! On my phone it was effectively instant. I did randomly decode 
> the
> > letter V from god only knows what when I wasn't even pointing it at a 
> code
> > yesterday. Can anyone else get this to work on their M10?
> 
> Yes, it’s working fine for me here on a FHD M10, scanning the QR code
> on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code is almost instant.
> 
> 
> > On 27 April 2016 at 10:06, Michael Zanetti
> mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 27.04.2016 10 :06, Olivier Tilloy wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Michael Zanetti
> >> >  <mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 27.04.2016 09 :37, Gareth France wrote:
> >> >>> This is on the M10, on my E4.5 tagger works beatifully.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 27 April 2016 at 08:34, Olivier Tilloy
> >> >>>  <mailto:olivier.til...@canonical.com>
> >> >>> <mailto:olivier.til...@canonical.com
> <mailto:olivier.til...@canonical.com>>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Gareth France
> >> >>> mailto:gareth.fra...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:gareth.fra...@gmail.com <mailto:gareth.fra...@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >> >>> > It seem that tagger is behaving weird, the image is
> displayed
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> wrong way
> >> >>> > up making it near impossible to centre on what you want
> to scan
> >> >>> as
> >> >>> it always
> >> >>> > moves the opposite way and messes with your mind!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I haven't been able to scan a single code yet, it just
> doesn't
> >> >>> pick them up.
> >> >>> > It was very quck on my phone so this surprised me. Is this
> >> >>> known?
> >> >>> I'm not
> >> >>> > sure wher to look for a bug.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You can look for existing bugs, and report a new one, here:
> >> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tagger.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On which device are you seeing this btw? I’ve tested the
> E4.5 and
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> MX4, and I’m not observing anything wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually this happens on all devices. Currently apps cannot
> distinguish
> >> >> between Landscape and InvertedLandscape (or Portrait and
> >> >> InvertedPortrait). I can not fix that in the app until the API
> in the
> >> >> platform is fixed.
> >> >
> >> > OK, I’m seeing it now.
> >> > The obvious workaround is to hold the device in portrait/landscape
> >> > instead of inverted portrait/inverted landscape, right?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes. Although I really don't like that workaround :) However, the fix
> >> for this is not straight forward. It's something to be fixed in
> Qt and
> >> also requires to rework a "hack" that got introduced for the
> camera-app
> >> in qtubuntu.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Tagger not working?

[Michael Zanetti]

On 27.04.2016 10:06, Olivier Tilloy wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Michael Zanetti
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 27.04.2016 09:37, Gareth France wrote:
>>> This is on the M10, on my E4.5 tagger works beatifully.
>>>
>>> On 27 April 2016 at 08:34, Olivier Tilloy >> <mailto:olivier.til...@canonical.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Gareth France
>>> mailto:gareth.fra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > It seem that tagger is behaving weird, the image is displayed the
>>> wrong way
>>> > up making it near impossible to centre on what you want to scan as
>>> it always
>>> > moves the opposite way and messes with your mind!
>>> >
>>> > I haven't been able to scan a single code yet, it just doesn't
>>> pick them up.
>>> > It was very quck on my phone so this surprised me. Is this known?
>>> I'm not
>>> > sure wher to look for a bug.
>>>
>>> You can look for existing bugs, and report a new one, here:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tagger.
>>>
>>> On which device are you seeing this btw? I’ve tested the E4.5 and the
>>> MX4, and I’m not observing anything wrong.
>>
>>
>> Actually this happens on all devices. Currently apps cannot distinguish
>> between Landscape and InvertedLandscape (or Portrait and
>> InvertedPortrait). I can not fix that in the app until the API in the
>> platform is fixed.
> 
> OK, I’m seeing it now.
> The obvious workaround is to hold the device in portrait/landscape
> instead of inverted portrait/inverted landscape, right?
> 

Yes. Although I really don't like that workaround :) However, the fix
for this is not straight forward. It's something to be fixed in Qt and
also requires to rework a "hack" that got introduced for the camera-app
in qtubuntu.




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Tagger not working?

[Michael Zanetti]

On 27.04.2016 09:37, Gareth France wrote:
> This is on the M10, on my E4.5 tagger works beatifully.
> 
> On 27 April 2016 at 08:34, Olivier Tilloy  > wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Gareth France
> mailto:gareth.fra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > It seem that tagger is behaving weird, the image is displayed the
> wrong way
> > up making it near impossible to centre on what you want to scan as
> it always
> > moves the opposite way and messes with your mind!
> >
> > I haven't been able to scan a single code yet, it just doesn't
> pick them up.
> > It was very quck on my phone so this surprised me. Is this known?
> I'm not
> > sure wher to look for a bug.
> 
> You can look for existing bugs, and report a new one, here:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tagger.
> 
> On which device are you seeing this btw? I’ve tested the E4.5 and the
> MX4, and I’m not observing anything wrong.


Actually this happens on all devices. Currently apps cannot distinguish
between Landscape and InvertedLandscape (or Portrait and
InvertedPortrait). I can not fix that in the app until the API in the
platform is fixed.

> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10

[Michael Zanetti]

On 25.04.2016 23:12, Peter Bittner wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> is there any feedback from the Canonical design team?

Rae already replied, didn't she?

> 
> I'd really really love to see the original Ubuntu colors come back.
> Even reverting would be fine. An OTA-11 with still the blueish colors
> will make me suffer.

Sorry to hear that you're struggling so much with blue. But I'm afraid
the old colors won't come back.

It's open source after all, if you *really* can't stand it, you can edit
/usr/lib/arm-gnueabi-hf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Themes/Ambiance/1.3/Palette.qml
and change the colors yourself in there...

> 
> Has there any decision been taken, or at least discussions been had?
> 
> Would be lovely to hear from you guys and gals,
> Peter
> 
> 
> 2016-04-11 23:04 GMT+02:00 Randall Ross  :
>> I have to agree with Peter. The blue looks like a design oversight. Upon
>> first seeing it my first instinct was to file a bug.
>>
>> There are colours related to orange that could have the same
>> "attention-getting" effect and that do not collide with the brand colours.
>>
>> How about a glowing orange? i.e. something that has a lot more yellow in
>> it. It could resemble the colour of an incandescent light-bulb, almost
>> yellow with an orange hue, and bright enough to be obvious.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randall.
>>
>> On 04/11/2016 01:42 PM, Peter Bittner wrote:
>>> After some days with OTA-10 I must admit I have a hard time accepting
>>> light-blue is the new orange.
>>>
>>> When the security bugfix release was installed today my phone rebooted
>>> and there it was again, the good old Ubuntu splash screen in violet
>>> shades and an orange progress bar, and later orange progress dots.
>>> That was a relief. For a few moments.
>>>
>>> Really, the light blue doesn't fit. It doesn't fit with the brown /
>>> violet theme of Ubuntu in general. It's an awkward color, cold and
>>> without life. Sorry to say, but pretty much the opposite of "Ubuntu,
>>> humanity to others". (Some may not agree, but I feel it's worth
>>> defending a Status Quo that was "working perfect".)
>>>
>>> I really waited for quite some time before expressing an opinion about
>>> the color. I thought I may get used to used to it or "give it a
>>> chance", but I think it's also fair to say the "truth" (as in "true
>>> feelings"). I don't want to hurt anyone, but a feedback should go to
>>> you guys and ladies. Look at the color palette on [1]: The light-blue
>>> is the one the strikes out as totally off-topic, followed (at some
>>> remarkable distance already) by green and even solid-red. It's about
>>> feeling harmony. No, that's not working out. That's not the beauty
>>> that the press was always appraising about Ubuntu Touch (which I felt
>>> almost exaggerated, but obviously it's a value worth conserving). This
>>> color palette must be revised.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the rough speech. Please go over it again, discuss it. Please!
>>>
>>> Thank you for your understanding,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-04-07 12:25 GMT+02:00 Rae Shambrook :
 Hi,

 This is Rae from the design team. I understand the new palette may take 
 some
 getting used to. But what we've tried to do is create a colour palette that
 works in a smarter way and is more robust. If you haven't seen it already,
 here is a breakdown of how the new palette works:
 https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/

 As for your concerns about components being blue rather than orange, the
 reason why we have removed a lot of orange from the UI is that we now want
 it to be a focus state and blue is meant to be the selected/active state.
 Before we had orange doing both these functions and each colour should have
 it's own meaning. And we feel the blue works better for the selected/active
 state as it feels more intuitive as a colour representing activity, while
 orange could sometimes be confusing as what it's supposed to represent. So
 basically, we've tried to make all our colours semantic.  While orange is
 still our brand colour, we want to use it in a more concise way, while 
 other
 colours take on more meaning in the UI, and hopefully, this will make it a
 lot more intuitive for the user.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:22 AM, war  wrote:
> today I received OTA 10.
>
>
> I have just one complaint (well, suggestion):
>
> The color of the progress bar and of certain elements (namely the
> selection of telephone SIMs for outgoing calls).
>
> I know this seems ridiculous to complain about. But for me, color is a
> significant indicator and as I have gotten used to the orange the blue
> is harder to read/recognize and it is a break in visual information
> transfer.
>
> Maybe you want to reconsider changing the color scheme.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty impressed (My Android phone broke on
> Upgrade to V6).
>

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] (Aquaris M10) First Impressions/Experiences/Warnings/Questions/Suggestions

[Michael Zanetti]

On 25.04.2016 16:51, Niklas Brättemark wrote:
> Michael,
> 
> "Sure, at some point you will be able to install whatever desktop
> application you want. Actually you can do that already right now"
> 
> Can you advice me to the most straight forward way to do this ?

This worked for me for installing inkscape, and I know Wayne Ward
installed Remmina with this:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit

I'm not exactly sure what happens on upgrades if the OTA is changing the
container config. In that case you probably need to manually update the
config file.

> 
> //Regards Niklas
> 
> 2016-04-25 16:07 GMT+02:00 Michael Zanetti
> mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>>:
> 
> 
> 
> On 24.04.2016 09 :00, Niklas Brättemark wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > My hope was to use the M10 when I travel as replacement to my laptop.
> > And connect remote to computers at home etc. I still hope we will see
> > apps like a real remote desktop client to ubuntu touch in the near
> > future. But i'm a little bit confused. Ubuntu Touch has been there for a
> > while and those apps are still missing. Really like the tablet and the
> > format. For the moment most missing rpd client and ssh sftp client. Sftp
> > could though be used from the command line...
> 
> Sure, at some point you will be able to install whatever desktop
> application you want. Actually you can do that already right now. There
> are some howtos on this mailing list. With some future update (I don't
>     know the exact timeline for it) there will be a ui for installing such
> applications.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > 2016-04-24 1:59 GMT+02:00 Michael Zanetti 
> mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>
> > <mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com
> <mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>>>:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23.04.2016 21:16, Alexey Balmashnov wrote:
> > > Got it/unpacked...
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Did not get at all why there is a subset of installed
> applications
> > > useless out-of-the box. Examples: Firefox, Gedit. One can
> start them,
> > > but on-screen keyboard is not activated in this apps -> not
> possible to
> > > use them without at least keyboard connected.
> >
> > This is being worked on. Should hopefully work soon. For now,
> those apps
> > can only be used with a physical keyboard.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Noticed bugs related to Ubuntu One account:
> > > * It is not present in the list of services in system
> settings -> accounts
> > > * If Ubuntu One connection app/widget/form (have no idea)
> activated from
> > > e.g Ubuntu Store, it is not possible to activate it from
> settings ->
> > > updates, button to activate is present, but tapping it does
> not do anything
> > > * While trying to connect with wrong password provided, got:
> "Network
> > > Error - please retry", was checking network/retrying for
> some time
> > > before realized that error message is wrong, and the issue
> is due to a
> > > wrong password.
> >
> > Those account bugs are known and will be fixed with the next
> update.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > User interface: many times was confused with lists having on/off
> > > controls (check-box-like things). Their alignment is really
> weird on a
> > > bigger screen: text is on the left side, check-boxes are on
> the right
> > > side. And display is "just" 10" wide... How would it look
> like on e.g.
> > > 24" monitor, want actually to try it out, as soon as I get
> proper HDMI
> > > cable ;)
> >
> > Not all applications are optimized for large screens yet. This is
> > something that will surely improve over time.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The most frustrating bit is related to lack of information
> on very
> > > widely marketed and advertised convergence feature:
> > > First of all, lack of info on compatible peripheral HW, like
> keyboards,
> > > mice. Next to it lack of descriptions

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] (Aquaris M10) First Impressions/Experiences/Warnings/Questions/Suggestions

[Michael Zanetti]

On 24.04.2016 09:00, Niklas Brättemark wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> My hope was to use the M10 when I travel as replacement to my laptop.
> And connect remote to computers at home etc. I still hope we will see
> apps like a real remote desktop client to ubuntu touch in the near
> future. But i'm a little bit confused. Ubuntu Touch has been there for a
> while and those apps are still missing. Really like the tablet and the
> format. For the moment most missing rpd client and ssh sftp client. Sftp
> could though be used from the command line...

Sure, at some point you will be able to install whatever desktop
application you want. Actually you can do that already right now. There
are some howtos on this mailing list. With some future update (I don't
know the exact timeline for it) there will be a ui for installing such
applications.



> 
> 2016-04-24 1:59 GMT+02:00 Michael Zanetti  <mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>>:
> 
> 
> 
> On 23.04.2016 21:16, Alexey Balmashnov wrote:
> > Got it/unpacked...
> [...]
> >
> > Did not get at all why there is a subset of installed applications
> > useless out-of-the box. Examples: Firefox, Gedit. One can start them,
> > but on-screen keyboard is not activated in this apps -> not possible to
> > use them without at least keyboard connected.
> 
> This is being worked on. Should hopefully work soon. For now, those apps
> can only be used with a physical keyboard.
> 
> >
> >
> > Noticed bugs related to Ubuntu One account:
> > * It is not present in the list of services in system settings -> 
> accounts
> > * If Ubuntu One connection app/widget/form (have no idea) activated from
> > e.g Ubuntu Store, it is not possible to activate it from settings ->
> > updates, button to activate is present, but tapping it does not do 
> anything
> > * While trying to connect with wrong password provided, got: "Network
> > Error - please retry", was checking network/retrying for some time
> > before realized that error message is wrong, and the issue is due to a
> > wrong password.
> 
> Those account bugs are known and will be fixed with the next update.
> 
> >
> >
> > User interface: many times was confused with lists having on/off
> > controls (check-box-like things). Their alignment is really weird on a
> > bigger screen: text is on the left side, check-boxes are on the right
> > side. And display is "just" 10" wide... How would it look like on e.g.
> > 24" monitor, want actually to try it out, as soon as I get proper HDMI
> > cable ;)
> 
> Not all applications are optimized for large screens yet. This is
> something that will surely improve over time.
> 
> >
> >
> > The most frustrating bit is related to lack of information on very
> > widely marketed and advertised convergence feature:
> > First of all, lack of info on compatible peripheral HW, like keyboards,
> > mice. Next to it lack of descriptions/instructions on how the device can
> > actually get connected and converted into a PC:
> > * Can one use combination of BT keyboard and BT mouse? What if they are
> > from different manufacturers?
> > * Can one use USB OTG cable/adapter to connect wireless desktop set to
> > the device, e.g. some Logitech set via unifying USB receiver? If yes,
> > how to get around the fact that there is only one physical USB port on
> > the device?
> > * Which devices and combinations will actually work?
> 
> Anything that has the Bluetooth logo on it should work. If it doesn't,
> it's probably a bug. Please report it to Launchpad. Some mice which have
> a special "window-switching" button pretend to be fully fledged
> keyboards and currently confuse the system a bit, tricking it into
> thinking a keyboard would be connected and hiding the OSK (In case you
> would want to work with a mouse but no physical keyboard). We're working
> on finding a solution there.
> 
> You can also use a micro USB to USB-A adapter and plug USB
> mice/keyboards in. Again anything that has the USB logo on it should
> work.
> 
> Currently there is a known bug about the AltGr key handling for some
> languages. Also, some special keys on keyboards might not be supported
> yet. Please report bugs in case you'll have such special keys and they
> are not behaving as expected.
> 
> >
> > Asking the above, because accessori

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [ubuntu-phone] M10 tablet empty desktop mode

[Michael Zanetti]

On 24.04.2016 09:17, Niklas Brättemark wrote:
> A lot of times I end up in desktop mode with blank background. Can't
> swipe scopes or anything. Can start applications from left dock bar but
> nothing else. Try to swap to tablet mode but that does not help.
> 
> Is this a known bug ?

Can you please take a screenshot when this happens, and send me your
unity8.log (install the logviewer app from the store to find that log
file if you are not familiar with the terminal)

Br,
Michael



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[Ubuntu-phone] M10 graphics performance issue

[Michael Zanetti]

Just some information to M10 owners:

Some here have complained about about graphics performance on the M10
being quite poor. I can confirm that on my Tablet. However, noticed it's
the same issue as the other Aquaris devices are suffering from since the
OTA-10 upgrade. There is a fix already proposed to land into rc-proposed
and it should be fixed in OTA-11 for the stable users.

Interesting thing is that not all devices seem to be affected in the
same way, for some it's worse for others barely noticeable. For instance
my E4.5 does not suffer much from it. Only profiling things I can see
some worse numbers but in normal usage it's not really noticeable. My
M10 tablet however is suffering badly from it and it's barely usable.

So if you are affected by this issue, don't blame the hardware just yet,
but wait for this fix to reach your device:
https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1303

Br,
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] (Aquaris M10) First Impressions/Experiences/Warnings/Questions/Suggestions

[Michael Zanetti]

On 23.04.2016 21:16, Alexey Balmashnov wrote:
> Got it/unpacked...
[...]
> 
> Did not get at all why there is a subset of installed applications
> useless out-of-the box. Examples: Firefox, Gedit. One can start them,
> but on-screen keyboard is not activated in this apps -> not possible to
> use them without at least keyboard connected.

This is being worked on. Should hopefully work soon. For now, those apps
can only be used with a physical keyboard.

> 
> 
> Noticed bugs related to Ubuntu One account:
> * It is not present in the list of services in system settings -> accounts
> * If Ubuntu One connection app/widget/form (have no idea) activated from
> e.g Ubuntu Store, it is not possible to activate it from settings ->
> updates, button to activate is present, but tapping it does not do anything
> * While trying to connect with wrong password provided, got: "Network
> Error - please retry", was checking network/retrying for some time
> before realized that error message is wrong, and the issue is due to a
> wrong password.

Those account bugs are known and will be fixed with the next update.

> 
> 
> User interface: many times was confused with lists having on/off
> controls (check-box-like things). Their alignment is really weird on a
> bigger screen: text is on the left side, check-boxes are on the right
> side. And display is "just" 10" wide... How would it look like on e.g.
> 24" monitor, want actually to try it out, as soon as I get proper HDMI
> cable ;)

Not all applications are optimized for large screens yet. This is
something that will surely improve over time.

> 
> 
> The most frustrating bit is related to lack of information on very
> widely marketed and advertised convergence feature:
> First of all, lack of info on compatible peripheral HW, like keyboards,
> mice. Next to it lack of descriptions/instructions on how the device can
> actually get connected and converted into a PC:
> * Can one use combination of BT keyboard and BT mouse? What if they are
> from different manufacturers?
> * Can one use USB OTG cable/adapter to connect wireless desktop set to
> the device, e.g. some Logitech set via unifying USB receiver? If yes,
> how to get around the fact that there is only one physical USB port on
> the device?
> * Which devices and combinations will actually work?

Anything that has the Bluetooth logo on it should work. If it doesn't,
it's probably a bug. Please report it to Launchpad. Some mice which have
a special "window-switching" button pretend to be fully fledged
keyboards and currently confuse the system a bit, tricking it into
thinking a keyboard would be connected and hiding the OSK (In case you
would want to work with a mouse but no physical keyboard). We're working
on finding a solution there.

You can also use a micro USB to USB-A adapter and plug USB
mice/keyboards in. Again anything that has the USB logo on it should work.

Currently there is a known bug about the AltGr key handling for some
languages. Also, some special keys on keyboards might not be supported
yet. Please report bugs in case you'll have such special keys and they
are not behaving as expected.

> 
> Asking the above, because accessories booklet that came with device
> mentions OTG cable, and HDMI cable. (by the way, have no idea why, but I
> could not locate those items in BQ store)

I don't think bq sells too many accessories except protective cases. You
can find those in some [online]shop near you.

Br,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Screenshot on Aquaris M10

[Michael Zanetti]

On the device, you can do:

rm ~/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run*

Br,
Michael

On 23.04.2016 03:43, Mitchell Reese wrote:
> phablet-config: command not found.
> 
> M
> 
> On Saturday, 23 April 2016 11:34:18 AM AEST, Nathan Haines
>  wrote:
>> On 04/22/2016 06:28 PM, Mitchell Reese wrote:
>>> Is there a command directly from the device?
>>
>> Yes.  The command is 'phablet-config welcome-wizard --enable'.  You
>> run it directly on the device.
>>
> 
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Running uNav locally

[Michael Zanetti]

On 21.04.2016 15:49, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El jueves, 21 de abril de 2016 15:12:37 (CEST), Michael Zanetti
>  escribió:
>>
>>
>>  
>> Note that you are tricking the system into thinking you are launching
>> the dialer-app with this. While your "fake dialer app" is running, you
>> probably won't be able to properly handle phone calls as the real dialer
>> app can't be started. Better create your own .desktop file for your app.
>>
>>
> Yes, thanks for the hint.
> 
> At the moment I cant let it do anything with the attached code
> it starts, but crashes with SIGSEGV
> 

You need to paint a view before you can show a button. You could create
a QMainWindow and add the QPushButton in there I suppose, but I'd
strongly recommend to not use QWidget, but instead QML.

As a quick start start:

main.cpp:

#include 
#include 

int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
  QGuiApplication app(argc, argv);
  QQuickView v;
  v.setSource("/path/to/some/qmlfile.qml");
  v.show();
  return app.exec();
}

/path/to/some/qmlfile.qml:

import QtQuick 2.4
import Ubuntu.Components 1.3

MainView {
  Button {
anchors.centerIn: parent
text: "click me"
onClicked: print("button clicked")
  }
}



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Running uNav locally

[Michael Zanetti]

On 21.04.2016 14:45, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, April 19, 2016 a las 05:31:38PM +0200, Michael Zanetti 
> escribió:
> 
>>> Three comments on this:
>>> - Please try sending ASCII and not HTML mails.
>>> - You can not launch a UI app from a terminal, at least I never found a
>>>   way to do so. It can not connect this way to the Mir server.
>>
>> just pass "--desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/some-app.desktop"
>> as argument and it will work.
>>
> 
> Hello Michael,
> 
> I wrote my 1st QApplication as:
> 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> 
> int main(int argc, char *argv[])
> {
> QApplication a(argc, argv);
> 
> return a.exec();
> 
> }
> 
> It compiles fine in a chrooted system below myRoot with this *.pro:
> 
> $ cat app.pro
> QT += core
> TARGET = firstapp
> CONFIG += console
> CONFIG -= app_bundle
> QT += widgets
> TEMPLATE = app
> SOURCES += main.cpp
> 
> Whe I launch it from the terminal-app from outside the myRoot as:
> 
> $ myRoot/home/phablet/qapp/firstapp 
> --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/dialer-app.desktop

Note that you are tricking the system into thinking you are launching
the dialer-app with this. While your "fake dialer app" is running, you
probably won't be able to properly handle phone calls as the real dialer
app can't be started. Better create your own .desktop file for your app.


> Loading module: 'libubuntu_application_api_touch_mirclient.so.3.0.0'
> 
> it really works, at least it starts. Thanks
> 
>   matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Aquaris M10 FHD Ubuntu Edition

[Michael Zanetti]

On 21.04.2016 11:28, Andy McCall wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
> I received an Aquaris M10 FHD Ubuntu Edition yesterday and so far I’m liking 
> it. Here are my thoughts:  
> 
> Lock screen:  
> 
> I’ve set the lock screen to use a four digit passcode. I think that when a 
> passcode has been selected the text box on the lock screen shouldn’t appear. 
> It would be nicer to have some sort of swipe to unlock the same way as the 
> Aquaris E5 does. Instead of a straight swipe I’d make use of the extra screen 
> space and have the ubuntu logo, and you have to swipe around on of the three 
> peoples “arms” to present the number pad.  


A Greeter/Lockscreen improvement task is currently being worked on in
Design. Might take another few months before it hits your device though.
Not exactly sure on the details atm. I'll let a designer comment more on
this.


> 
> Default Software:  
> 
> Is there any way to uninstall some of the default software, or at least hide 
> options on the app screen? I don’t want XChat installed, but holding the icon 
> down doesn’t work. I think that showing Firefox, XChat, an LibreOffice on the 
> touch interface kind of feels like the creators are trying to “fill the 
> space” with any app they can. I’m happy to leave the software installed, but 
> these are not touch apps.  

Hmm... I think you'd need to make your image writable for that and
manually delete the .desktop files from /usr/share/applications/.

> 
> Notification / Settings Bar:  
> 
> It seems a bit strange that the tablet has got a huge screen, yet you have to 
> scroll across to get to notifications. This is poor usability. When you pull 
> down it should expand out to show all the icons needed.  

Agreed, this is not totally awesome yet. I think there is some
improvement for this on designer's list too.

> 
> On a side note, does anyone know what make the keyboard and mouse are that 
> are on the front page of ubuntu.com(http://ubuntu.com)? I’d like to try and 
> get hold of them.  

Sorry, don't know which one that is.

> 
> --  
> Andy McCall
> 
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Running uNav locally

[Michael Zanetti]

On 19.04.2016 16:26, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, April 19, 2016 a las 02:00:30PM +0200, Cesar Herrera escribió:
> 
>> I've seen this:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net/msg19225.html
>> But it doesn't work for me.
>> So, I've done two scripts and runned them in two windows.
>> In the first one:
>> cd /media/phablet/*/Maps
>> python3 -m http.server  &
>>
>> In the second:
>> cd /userdata/system-data/opt/click.ubuntu.com/navigator.costales/current
>> qmlscene %u qml/Main.qml
>>
>> Then I have this error:
>> Loading module: 'libubuntu_application_api_touch_mirclient.so.3.0.0'
>> UbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir ser is
>> running, and the correct socket is being usehave
>> rejected the incoming connection, so check i
>> Aborted
>> If I try with webapp in 0.0.0.0: I see the maps.
>> But I don't know how to do it.
>> Cheers,
>> Cesar  
> 
> Three comments on this:
> - Please try sending ASCII and not HTML mails.
> - You can not launch a UI app from a terminal, at least I never found a
>   way to do so. It can not connect this way to the Mir server.

just pass "--desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/some-app.desktop"
as argument and it will work.

> - You must follow what was written in the above referenced mail and even
>   than it will not work, because it needs a tweaked index.html file for
>   uBav. Please vote for the issue in LP.
> 
>   matthias
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[Ubuntu-phone] Looking for someone to take over an app

[Michael Zanetti]

Hey Folks,

a while ago [1] I have developed an app called GetMeWheels [2] which is
an app to locate and book cars from the car-sharing project car2go [3].
Even though car2go was prototyped and developed in the city I live in,
Daimler has now stopped providing this service in this city because it's
relatively low population and quite widespread, so car-sharing models
are struggling a bit here. This renders the app useless for me and given
that I have some more apps on my maintainership list, I have removed
this one from there.
Long story short, this app is starting to bitrot, and also affected by
the framework deprecation which is happening now.

If someone here lives in a city with car2go and has any use of this app,
I'd be happy to hand it over. I'd also be willing to provide some
guidance and help in taking over. It will probably not require too much
effort, the car2go api is relatively stable. There is one new feature in
the API which the app is not capable of yet (unlocking/opening cars) but
apart from that, the app is complete and works fine.

If noone shows up, I will probably remove the app from the store as the
framework deprecation deadline passes.

Br,
Michael

[1] When I was using the good old Nokia N900 :) It is/was also running
on Symbian and MeeGo.
[2] https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.getmewheels2
[3] https://www.car2go.com



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] POC: Recycling ListView items

[Michael Zanetti]

On 18.04.2016 13:57, Andrea Bernabei wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Alberto Mardegan
> mailto:alberto.marde...@canonical.com>>
> wrote:
> 
> On 18/04/2016 13:57, Omer Akram wrote:
> > While working on a pet project[1] for the Phone, an issue that I faced
> > was stuttering scrolling in listviews. QML tips page[2] suggested to use
> > Flickable+Column+Repeater combination to have smooth scrolling, that
> > worked and is currently what I have implemented in my app but I always
> > thought that was not the perfect solution.
> >
> > With some knowledge of how Android ListView works and its mechanism of
> > recycling ListView items, I wrote a hack[3] to achieve something similar
> > in QML.
> [...]
> 
> You are trying to reinvent the QML ListView :-)
> The QML ListView recycles the delegates, and this behaviour is partially
> configurable via the cacheBuffer property:
> 
>   http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-listview.html#cacheBuffer-prop
> 
> Now, this means that when scrolling a listview, occasionally the
> delegates need to be either created (the first time they are used) or
> reused (which causes a reassignment of their properties based on the
> model data).
> Both these operations can be expensive, that's why someone gave the tip
> of using a Column+Repeater when the number of delegates is low and
> doesn't change, so that the whole list is created only once and
> scrolling will be smooth.
> 
> If now you found that this tip doesn't work well for you (typically
> because of high memory consumption if the model has many items), it
> means that you should go back to using a ListView. :-)
> 
> 
> Does ListView reuse delegates?
> As far as I know, it creates new ones on the fly, every time.
> 
> I guess Omar's solution was for cases where:
> - you have fixed delegate height
> - you have a fixed and known number of delegates
> - you want to avoid instantiating all of them at once
> 
> in that case reusing the delegates could work better than recreating
> them like ListView does.
> 
> If I'm wrong and ListView already reuses delegates instances, then my
> points above are of course void.

AFAIK I think too that the ListView does not reuse them but instead
always destroys/creates them when they leave/enter the cacheBuffer zone.


>   
> 
> Ciao,
>   Alberto
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] POC: Recycling ListView items

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi Omer,

sounds like this is something to be brought up on the Qt development
mailing list.

Br,
Michael

On 18.04.2016 12:57, Omer Akram wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> While working on a pet project[1] for the Phone, an issue that I faced
> was stuttering scrolling in listviews. QML tips page[2] suggested to use
> Flickable+Column+Repeater combination to have smooth scrolling, that
> worked and is currently what I have implemented in my app but I always
> thought that was not the perfect solution.
> 
> With some knowledge of how Android ListView works and its mechanism of
> recycling ListView items, I wrote a hack[3] to achieve something similar
> in QML.
> 
> What I am doing is:
> 
>   * Create elements visible on screen at single instance + 2
>   * Set contentHeight to number of elements*each element height
>   * On flick upwards, when an element goes offscreen, set its Y property
> to the bottom of the list.
>   * Not handled the down flick case just yet.
> 
> So with only a few elements created, we can reuse same elements but with
> different data. I am not sure if there already exists some standard
> component for that or not. If not, then this idea is open for
> discussions and I would like to contribute it as a standard component
> once we figure out all the details and agree on them.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-soundcloud-app
> [2] 
> https://wiki.qt.io/Performance_tip_QML_other#Fixed_length_lists_with_Flickable.2BColumn.2BRepeater
> [3] 
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~om26er/+junk/recycle_list_view/view/head:/RecycleListView/Main.qml
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] control of the cam app from remote

[Michael Zanetti]

On 17.04.2016 12:47, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Sunday, April 17, 2016 a las 10:06:53AM +0100, Wayne Ward escribió:
> 
>> Join the ubupebblers group on telegram they will tell you details about 
>> this feature :)
> 
> I do not use telegram. I have pulled out the sources with
> 
> $ bzr branch lp:rockwork
> 
> and glanced through them. Re/ the cam, I do see only screen shoot support.
> But it seems in general that the control is done via dbus. The question
> now is, where is the documentation of the interface?

There is no documentation of the RockWork code. Also, the D-Bus
interface is merely an implementation-detail of the app, not intended to
be used by the users. Anyhow, it does not support taking pictures from
remote, so it's probably not of interest for you anyways.

Thinking about how to help you: I don't think there is any way to
trigger the camera via a shell script or something. The easiest thing
for me personally would be to create a small program for this. The
camera code for QML would be quite straight forward, some 10 - 15 lines
at max, mostly to be copy/pasted from the documentation. That app could
automatically start recording when launched so you could launch it from
remote via ssh or so. I know, not as easy as you'd hoped for, but if you
already know the way through the platform and maybe have had success
with a simple QML app already, it should be doable.


Good luck,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Very new to Ubuntu phone ...

[Michael Zanetti]

On 16.04.2016 11:30, Barry Drake wrote:
> On 15/04/16 12:56, Michael Zanetti wrote:
>>> I've installed the file manager app.  The version on the Ubuntu store
>>> doesn't work at all.  I got the qml source code to see what it is
>>> supposed to do, and the app doesn't show anything on the screen like it
>>> should.  It simply exits without doing anything.  I get no error
>>> messages or anything else.
>> Ok, doesn't stop being strange.
> Hi again   I managed to get the SDK and compile the file manager. 
> It works perfectly.  How do I do a bug report to say the one in the app
> store is broken?  I've only ever done bug reports for Ubuntu desktop so
> far.  As I still haven't got a terminal, until I manage to compile one,
> I can't yet do anything like 'ubuntu-bug file-manager'

Well, yeah, reporting a bug on launchapd would be ok. But as I and
others have said earlier, it really works fine for all of us. Can you
please explain here how it fails? Does it install or not? If yes, does
it just fail to start?

At this point I'm not really sure if the issue you are facing is really
the terminal/filemanager app. Sounds more like a store problem.

> 
> Anyhow, thanks for your help.  Signing in to the developer options has
> given me a whole lot more useful access.  At last, I'm able to do some
> of the stuff I want to do.  Once I get a terminal up and running, I'll
> be able to use the system the way I want to.
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Very new to Ubuntu phone ...

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi and welcome!

On 15.04.2016 13:31, Barry Drake wrote:
> Hi there   I got my new Ubuntu phone yesterday.  At the moment, I
> can't seem to do a lot with it at all.  The terminal app won't download
> for me at all.  It shows a download error.

That's strange. Should work...

> 
> I've installed the file manager app.  The version on the Ubuntu store
> doesn't work at all.  I got the qml source code to see what it is
> supposed to do, and the app doesn't show anything on the screen like it
> should.  It simply exits without doing anything.  I get no error
> messages or anything else.

Ok, doesn't stop being strange.

> 
> Any thoughts please?  I can't seem to do any of the things I want to do.
>  If I plug the phone into a USB port, it shows only five directories:
> Documents, Pictures, etc.  I can't get to anywhere else on the phone.
> Without a terminal, I can't really do a lot.  Can anyone help please?

OK. First, go to system-setting and make sure your device is up to date.
If it is, and you still can't install the apps from the store, please
let us know.

Connecting the device to USB will give you MTP which indeed only exposes
the Home folder excluding hidden folders. However, you can, if you want
a terminal, enable Developer Mode in System-Settings -> About this
device which will enable you to connect through adb or ssh to the phone.
If you are using an Ubuntu Laptop/PC, install the package
"phablet-tools" which will offer you a "phablet-shell" command.

Hope that helps,
Michael




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Unav

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi Wayne,

I think it would be more useful if you would contact Marcos directly and
tell him about the issue, ideally providing steps to reproduce the failures.

Cheers,
Michael

On 14.04.2016 21:11, Wayne Ward wrote:
> Had a bad experience with the latest unav on bqhd5 on OTA 10.1 today In
> a 30 minute journey had wrong directions and constant white screens and
> just erratic behavoiur, tried a clean reboot and still problems, just
> music app playing. Its been great in the past but today a nightmatre..
> Anybody else had problems..
> 
> Regards
> Wayne :)
> 
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] notification of new issues in LP

[Michael Zanetti]

You might want to use this one:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+subscriptions

It's not *all* of the bugs, but at least all that are seen on a manager
level, which includes most of them.



On 14.04.2016 14:04, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Is there a way to get a mail notification of any new issue in LP to
> decide to attach as watcher to it? Ofc only issues for Ubuntu touch not
> for Ubuntu in general.
> 
>   matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Saving pictures from the phone

[Michael Zanetti]

On 04.04.2016 13:06, Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04.04.2016 11:53, Lorn Potter wrote:
>> On Monday, April 04, 2016 10:51:38 AM Michael Zanetti wrote:
>>
>>> How do you guys copy the pictures you take with an Ubuntu Phone to an
>>> Ubuntu PC? 
>>
>> cd ~/Pictures
>> adb pull /home/phablet/Pictures
>>
>> too geeky?
> 
> Yes :)

I mean, that's how I do it, and it works fine for me (actually scp but
anyways). Thing is, I'm trying to find a solution for my wife here :)

> 
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] File synch - could we get owncloud-client-cmd added to standard image?

[Michael Zanetti]

Well, if the plafrom is configured to automatically add ~/bin to $PATH,
I would be surprised if it wouldn't also add ~/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
automatically. haven't tried tho, so far I've only used standalone
binaries or things where we have all the deps in the seed already.

On 04.04.2016 11:52, Simon Fels wrote:
> On 04.04.2016 11:48, Filip Dorosz wrote:
>> How do you get around dependcies?
>>
>> owncloud-client-cmd depens on some libs that are not installed.
> 
> Either by building a static binary which includes all necessary
> libraries or a wrapper script which adjusts LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include a
> path where you put all additional libs to.
> 
> regards,
> Simon
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Saving pictures from the phone

[Michael Zanetti]

On 04.04.2016 11:53, Lorn Potter wrote:
> On Monday, April 04, 2016 10:51:38 AM Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
>> How do you guys copy the pictures you take with an Ubuntu Phone to an
>> Ubuntu PC? 
> 
> cd ~/Pictures
> adb pull /home/phablet/Pictures
> 
> too geeky?

Yes :)

> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Saving pictures from the phone

[Michael Zanetti]

On 04.04.2016 12:18, Folmer Fredslund wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> For me, I just plug in the USB and unlock the phone, then the phone file
> system is mounted and I can just copy whatever I want onto my computer.

This would work. But as I said, I would not want to explain her that she
needs to manually merge the phone's pictures with her photo collection,
some way of automatic import would be required IMO.

> 
> I'm using Shotwell myself actually, and just choose "File ->Import from
> folder" and then navigate to the folder on the phone.
> 
> This also seems to work fine for not copying already copied files.

Hmm... ok. That sounds better. In our case, Shotwell just hangs and does
nothing... But if you say it's working for you, we're probably hitting
some bug, which is better than not having support at all I guess. Anyone
ran into this and has hints how to get around it?

> 
> Regards,
> Folmer
> 
> Ubutnu 14.04 LTS with Shotwell 0.18
> 
> 2016-04-04 10:51 GMT+02:00 Michael Zanetti
> mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>>:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> so my wife finally got fed up with Mac OS changing iTune's complete
> visuals twice per month and deleting Applications like iPhoto without
> asking her and asked me to install Ubuntu. So far, most is fine except
> one thing:
> 
> How do you guys copy the pictures you take with an Ubuntu Phone to an
> Ubuntu PC? I would've thought Shotwell is way to go there, but that
> seems to struggle so much with MTP that it falls flat as a viable
> option. Is there some setting I'm missing? Perhaps some good working
> replacement for Shotwell? I don't want to tell her to manually dig
> through the file system and manually figure which pictures were already
> backed up and which weren't.
> 
> Br,
> Michael
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] File synch - could we get owncloud-client-cmd added to standard image?

[Michael Zanetti]

On 04.04.2016 11:10, Mitchell Reese wrote:
> That's awesome - 

yes (I've a bunch of debug tools in there, like qdbus etc)

is it documented anywhere?

no (Well, it's standard GNU stuff so probably yes - somewhere)

Is there anyway for apps
> installed from the store to take advantage of this?

no (except from OpenStore, I guess)

:)

> 
> M
> 
> On 04/04/16 19:06, Michael Zanetti wrote:
>> FWIW, if you create a ~/bin/ folder on your phone and reboot it, it will
>> be picked up in your $PATH. That allows to add binaries to the device
>> without making it writable and doesn't influence OTAs.
>>
>> On 03.04.2016 18:38, Bruce Griffis wrote:
>>> I started messing with Michael Reese's owncloud scripts for calendar and
>>> contact synch between my owncloud server and my Ubuntu Touch phone.
>>> Filesynch requires owncloud-client-cmd.
>>>
>>> I know there was work in the past to seed OpenVPN into the standard
>>> image. Would we be able to seed owncloud-client-cmd into the standard
>>> image as well? Or is that too specific and would not have a wide-enough
>>> user-base to make it worthwhile?
>>>
>>> I see in the documentation I could make my phone writable and install it
>>> myself, but I was kind of hoping to keep my phone as stock as possible
>>> and use tools that come with the phone through regular OTA updates.
>>>
>>> Bruce Griffis
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ubuntu one

[Michael Zanetti]

Just to add another point of view :)

I for one don't think google is an acceptable place to store things. So
google sync falls flat for me. However, I also don't think owncloud is.
I had to learn it the hard way and let it delete some important files
before I would believe it, but here I am, not using owncloud any more
either.

What does that leave me with?

Well, I still think Contacts/Calendar sync should be added in form of
generic CardDAV/CalDAV. This would, by the way, include Google and
owncloud for people who prefer those services.

Regarding files, I don't know... In my home I store things on a NAS
system, and mostly access it through NFS or sftp (depending whether that
share requires more performance or more security). As Rodney said,
syncing all of it to the phone is not an option. But turns out there's
only one use case I have which would be rather important: When I take a
photo with the camera it should end up on my NAS somehow. I don't even
need it the other way round. It's not that I would view all my pictures
on my phone. However, it should be possible to get to them when I need
certain files. Maybe the file manager needs to gain support for more
protocols like NFS/sftp etc? Or maybe dedicated content-hub plugins to
browse such shares?

Br,
Michael

On 04.04.2016 10:12, Alan Bell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/04/16 17:25, Rodney Dawes wrote:
>> Not everyone wants to maintain their own server.
> but some people do! The phone project seems to be very very focussed on
> not taking any advantage of the fact that users might run Ubuntu
> desktops and servers and maybe a bunch of phones.
>>   The part of ownCloud
>> which is problematic as a general solution is the "own" part. Google,
>> Dropbox, iCloud, etc… do not provide compatibility with owncloud, so
>> while it theoretically allows some of us to have some level of sync, it
>> doesn't solve all the problems, and doesn't enable things for all.
> but it does enable things for people who buy into the concept of Free
> software and want their infrastructure to be Free software that works
> together. This is a perfectly good target niche.
>>
>> Note of course, that Google contacts/calendar sync is already on the
>> phone, and has been for a very long time now, so if Google is an
>> acceptable place for storing those things, it can be used (with some
>> small caveats, as it seems only default contacts/calendar are synced,
>> so alternate/subscribed calendars on Google don't get seem to be
>> exposed).
> working on the assumption that people are using Google to run all their
> stuff means that the phone is competing head to head with Android on
> Google's playing field. It isn't necessarily wrong to support those
> users, and yes, they might be a numerically large target, however there
> is a wide open opportunity to change the rules of the game and go a
> different way.
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] File synch - could we get owncloud-client-cmd added to standard image?

[Michael Zanetti]

FWIW, if you create a ~/bin/ folder on your phone and reboot it, it will
be picked up in your $PATH. That allows to add binaries to the device
without making it writable and doesn't influence OTAs.

On 03.04.2016 18:38, Bruce Griffis wrote:
> I started messing with Michael Reese's owncloud scripts for calendar and
> contact synch between my owncloud server and my Ubuntu Touch phone.
> Filesynch requires owncloud-client-cmd.
> 
> I know there was work in the past to seed OpenVPN into the standard
> image. Would we be able to seed owncloud-client-cmd into the standard
> image as well? Or is that too specific and would not have a wide-enough
> user-base to make it worthwhile?
> 
> I see in the documentation I could make my phone writable and install it
> myself, but I was kind of hoping to keep my phone as stock as possible
> and use tools that come with the phone through regular OTA updates.
> 
> Bruce Griffis
> 
> 



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[Ubuntu-phone] Saving pictures from the phone

[Michael Zanetti]

Hey all,

so my wife finally got fed up with Mac OS changing iTune's complete
visuals twice per month and deleting Applications like iPhoto without
asking her and asked me to install Ubuntu. So far, most is fine except
one thing:

How do you guys copy the pictures you take with an Ubuntu Phone to an
Ubuntu PC? I would've thought Shotwell is way to go there, but that
seems to struggle so much with MTP that it falls flat as a viable
option. Is there some setting I'm missing? Perhaps some good working
replacement for Shotwell? I don't want to tell her to manually dig
through the file system and manually figure which pictures were already
backed up and which weren't.

Br,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu phone typing issue during charging

[Michael Zanetti]

Confirming this issue with some China-faked Nokia charger. This charger
messes with the screen on every phone I used it for (from various Nokia
devices I have here to bq E4.5 Ubuntu Edition). I've thrown the charger
away last week. It doesn't happen with original properly made chargers
for me. If this happens with the original BQ charger for you, you
probably should accept Victor's offer and get it replaced.

On 30.03.2016 19:23, Andrea Bernabei wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Shahram  > wrote:
> 
> Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition
> 
> Problem:
> When the phone is being charged, the screen touch becomes super
> sensitive, a touch that would ordinarily type one character, may
> type a few to several characters, windows, tabs etc do not respond
> correctly..
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> that happened to me in the past with other phones (it was Nokia Lumias
> if I remember correctly), it is probably because the charger is not
> grounded and the digitizer is not perfectly isolated, so it gets some
> electricity and it thinks you're touching the display when you're
> actually not. It's similar to what happens when you use your phone under
> the rain (don't try this at home :D).
>  
> I'm not sure if this is a hardware defect of your phone or all the E5
> though.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrea
> 
> Regards
> Shahram
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Telegram Push Notifications, Stickers and Emoji

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi

On 29.03.2016 08:44, Marcin Wójcik wrote:
> Good day,
> 
> I have been experiencing issues with the push notifications for Telegram.
> In most cases, they appear after a considerable delay from when a
> message was actually received  (30 minutes or longer), or they don't
> appear at all.
> 
> I have looked this issue up on Launchpad and came across these 2 bug reports
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/telegram-app/+bug/1389203
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/telegram-app/+bug/1517553
> 
> I am not sure if the issue lies with the Ubuntu push notification
> service, the Telegram client for Ubuntu-Phone or with the way the phone
> suspends when not being used.

I believe this is the telegram servers. I don't have proof for it, but
especially during holiday times (we've just had easter holidays) I've
seen this happening on android devices too for friends of mine.

> 
> Another issue I have with Telegram, which has been present since day
> one, is the fact that push notifications for Telegram messages do not
> play a notification sound.

As a workaround, try changing the ringtone for messages in the settings
and see if that helps.

> 
> There are several bugs open against this issue and I hope that it will
> get resolved eventually.
> 
> Here are a few of the bugs listed on Launchpad:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/telegram-app/+bug/1421332
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1413818
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/telegram-app/+bug/1511774
> 
> Lastly, I see that sticker support has been added to the latest version
> of the Telegram app, which I am really happy about.
> 
> I would just like to bring forth a minor issue with the stickers.
> The sticker tabs do not all appear when having many sticker sets.
> It seems to be limited to 20 sticker sets. The rest of my sticker sets
> do not appear in the sticker tabs.

This is a bug in the upstream TelegramQML library which I've reported here:
https://github.com/Aseman-Land/TelegramQML/issues/49



> 
> Also, the emoji support which is currently implemented in the
> Ubuntu-Phone keyboard with the outlined icons is a tad bit difficult to
> recognize what some the emoji are supposed to actually be (things such
> as colored hearts for example, which one is blue?), and the ordering is
> not the same as what you find in the Android version of Telegram, making
> other emoji difficult to find on the keyboard. It would be great if
> those emoji selections could be made available from the same place where
> the stickers have been placed in the app. Something similar to how the
> Telegram Web version has them implemented perhaps?

This is actually implemented already but hidden because the mix of
colored emojis and the in-font emojis didn't look great. I agree that it
would be nice to have the colored ones but then there is also value in
sticking to what the platform provides. I think the real solution here
is to extend the platform emojis to use the colored ones if that's
possible. Related to that, I've also reported this bug a while ago:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1441337

Cheers,
Michael



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] WG: WG: Installing Dekko fails always

[Michael Zanetti]

On 21.03.2016 20:36, cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de wrote:
> Hello Micheal,
> I think I don't understand, what you mean, sorry...
> As you can see, if you scroll down, I send a question, somebody answered
> me (Rodney), I answered again, and then a person (simplehuman) wrote me,
> that my last answer was delivered in spam folder. And that I should
> please resend the message. That I did.
> 
> So what did I do wrong?

I just tried to say that if a message ends up in a spam folder for
someone, resending the same mail again is not likely to help. It will
most likely end up in the spam folder again for that user, while all the
others get the mail twice. Anyways... no big problem.

> 
> And what did you mean with '/I reported a bug that the error message is
> not good enough but I can't
> find it any more right now.'/? I did not get that message...

At some point I reported a bug that the error messages on scope
installations are not good enough. I wanted to check the status of it,
but I can't find that bug report any more.

> 
> My system setting says that there is 3,0 GB of free space...  Dekko
> needs 25,4 MiB... So that is enough, or not?

Hmm, 3 GB should be enough indeed. Then I'm not sure what the issue
might be. I usually am running out of space when installations fail in
such a way so I thought that's worth checking.

> 
> Thanks for your reply!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *Von:* Michael Zanetti 
> *An:* ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
> *Gesendet:* 16:31 Montag, 21.März 2016
> *Betreff:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] WG: WG: Installing Dekko fails always
> 
> FWIW, I did get your previous mail. But even if it would end up in some
> people's spam folder, resending the same mail will probably not help.
> Also you did get a reply to your previous mail, didn't you?
> 
> In any case, my guess would be that you are running out of space. I
> reported a bug that the error message is not good enough but I can't
> find it any more right now.
> 
> Please check in system-settings how much free space you have left.
> 
> On 21.03.2016 16:14, cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de
> <mailto:cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> ... next try...
>>
>>
>>
>> - Weitergeleitete Message -
>> *Von:* Simplehuman  <mailto:doityourselft...@gmail.com>>
>> *An:* cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de <mailto:cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de>
>> *Gesendet:* 9:53 Montag, 21.März 2016
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] WG: Installing Dekko fails always
>>
>> Your mail has got in to Gmail spam folder. So probably most people in
>> the list will not get it. Maybe you want to resend it. Or use another
>> mailbox
>>
>> 20.03.2016 22:53, cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de
> <mailto:cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de>
>> <mailto:cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de
> <mailto:cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de>> пишет:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> it happens after reaching the 100% and a little time of progressing...
>>> Sorry, but I can't answer the other questions because I don't know how
>>> to make that. I'm just a 'normal' user, who likes the 'open source
>>> thing' and don't know how to check
>>> '$HOME/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ director for an error log'...
>>> sorry :-(
>>>
>>> Maybe you can guide me through these things?
>>>
>>> Thanks anyway for your answer!
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> *Von:* Rodney Dawes  <mailto:rodney.da...@canonical.com>>
>>> <mailto:rodney.da...@canonical.com <mailto:rodney.da...@canonical.com>>
>>> *An:* cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de <mailto:cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de>
>>> <mailto:cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de
> <mailto:cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de>>;
>>> "ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net>"
>>> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net>>
>>>  <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net>>
>>> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net>>
>>> *Gesendet:* 23:48 Samstag, 19.März 2016
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Installing Dekko fails always
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does the error happen after the progress bar reaches 100%, or does it
>>> happen immediately when starting the download

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] WG: WG: Installing Dekko fails always

[Michael Zanetti]

FWIW, I did get your previous mail. But even if it would end up in some
people's spam folder, resending the same mail will probably not help.
Also you did get a reply to your previous mail, didn't you?

In any case, my guess would be that you are running out of space. I
reported a bug that the error message is not good enough but I can't
find it any more right now.

Please check in system-settings how much free space you have left.

On 21.03.2016 16:14, cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de wrote:
> ... next try...
> 
> 
> 
> - Weitergeleitete Message -
> *Von:* Simplehuman 
> *An:* cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de
> *Gesendet:* 9:53 Montag, 21.März 2016
> *Betreff:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] WG: Installing Dekko fails always
> 
> Your mail has got in to Gmail spam folder. So probably most people in
> the list will not get it. Maybe you want to resend it. Or use another
> mailbox
> 
> 20.03.2016 22:53, cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de
>  пишет:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> it happens after reaching the 100% and a little time of progressing...
>> Sorry, but I can't answer the other questions because I don't know how
>> to make that. I'm just a 'normal' user, who likes the 'open source
>> thing' and don't know how to check
>> '$HOME/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ director for an error log'...
>> sorry :-(
>>
>> Maybe you can guide me through these things?
>>
>> Thanks anyway for your answer!
>>
>>
>> 
>> *Von:* Rodney Dawes 
>> 
>> *An:* cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de
>> ;
>> "ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *Gesendet:* 23:48 Samstag, 19.März 2016
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Installing Dekko fails always
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does the error happen after the progress bar reaches 100%, or does it
>> happen immediately when starting the download? Can you check in the
>> $HOME/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ director for an error log, and
>> find the error in that log?
>>
>> Also, can you include the output of "system-image-cli -i" if you can
>> run it from under adb if you can't use the Terminal app?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2016-03-19 at 20:49 +,
>> cewe2005-newslet...@yahoo.de
>>  wrote:
>> > Hello there, 
>> > after updating a few apps of my ubuntu phone aquaris 4.5 (ubuntu
>> > version 15.04) Dekko didn't work anymore, it only showed an white
>> > screen. So I tried to solve the problem with uninstalling the app,
>> > but since then I cannot reinstall it. It always appears the message:
>> > "Download or installation failed"
>> > With 'terminal' its the same, but with other apps, the installation
>> > works normal. 
>> >
>> > So what can I do now? Has anybody an idea, what I can do right now? I
>> > need help with that.
>> > Thanks for your work and help!
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Is it time to flash my phone?

[Michael Zanetti]

I have heard of people reporting that starting from a fresh flash seemed
to improve their experience, especially if the devices are from the
first flash sales. So if you want to spend the time to set up things
again, I guess it's worth a try but I will not promise anything. In any
case, if you do it, I'd like to hear the outcome.

What you want to backup:

* contacts:
copy the folder /home/phablet/.local/share/evlution/addressbook/

* SMS/call history:
you'll find that in /home/phablet/history-service/history.sqlite

* You want to check your other apps. e.g. if you are using Authenticator
for two-factor-authentication you will want to copy it's configuration
too in order to not lock yourself out from your accounts. App's configs
are in /home/phablet/.config/ or /home/phablet/.local/share/.

After reflashing, copy those files/folders to the same location again
(overwriting the empty default ones) and reboot the phone.

On 21.03.2016 14:17, Gareth France wrote:
> Following the discussions about one user's E5 experience I've been
> thinking about the state of play on my phone.
> 
> It is slow, it is unresponsive and it has an attitude. Every month I
> eagerly download another update that promises to fix the problems but
> never does.
> 
> How much of my issues is down to the fact my phone has gone through such
> rapid development in the last year? Could any of it be resolved by
> wiping and starting again with an up to date image?
> 
> If so, how do I go about this and what do I need to back up and restore?
> I assume contacts is the biggie.
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] E5 OOB exerience

[Michael Zanetti]

On 21.03.2016 10:08, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Michi Henning
>  wrote:
>> This is starting to look like there is something seriously wrong with input 
>> in general, for any text input field. For example, when I simply press and 
>> hold down the backspace key, the phone madly types random letters, and I can 
>> here the vibrator humming like crazy. So, is this a software issue, or do I 
>> simply have a phone with a bad touch screen?
> 
> You should take this to IRC or somewhere to chat with someone who
> knows about OSK, mailing list is a hard place to debug things. Your
> OSK seems really misbehaving, completely abnormal. It may be related
> to some of the other problems you're having too.

I've found this issue with the OSK getting lost. It's siloed but not
landet yet.

> 
> As for the other problems, I believe the biggest problem in addition
> to your hw specific problem(s) was shipping with ancient software to
> you. That won't happen with the new products, but if that was a recent
> purchase (not known in your case) I think the factory images really
> should get upgraded occasionally. Even if OTA-9 does not fix all the
> problems or feature gaps in the world, it does fix a truck/shipload of
> those. OTA-10 will also bring lots of new things and fixes.

Yeah, that's indeed a huge problem IMO. The images on those devices are
ancient indeed and you only get to OTA after all that setup stuff.

> 
> You need to set the timezone in date&time settings yourself, NITZ
> support isn't available AFAIK yet although I don't find a bug now so
> I'm not sure.
> 
> Wifi problem is something specific to your case like OSK, it's also
> something most people have no problems with as far as I know. MTP as a
> protocol is not very well suited for mass transfers in my experience,
> but using VMWare could hinder it too. I haven't had big problems
> myself, mainly when copying photos in and out on Ubuntu.
> 
> Most of your issues seem atypical (aside from whatever OOB experience
> with ancient software) and should be debugged one by one. There are
> also real problems, slowdown bugs and feature gaps (like that NITZ)
> but yours are something else.
> 
> -Timo
> 



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Bluetooth transmitter as headset instead of other type

[Michael Zanetti]

On 14.03.2016 11:27, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 2016-03-13 14:29 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Tataradziński  >:
> 
> Hello,
> I've got two bluetooth devices I'm using with my phone:
> (1) headphones with mic (I think that is called headset in english)
> (2) Bluetooth transmitter with mic also.
> 
> (1) is recognized in Ubuntu System Settings, bluetooth part as
> "Other Audio" - I can listen to music and call to someone using that
> build-in mic. Everything seems to work fine ;)
> (2) is recognized in USS as "Headset" - I can listen to music, but I
> can't talk with that. When I call to someone, phone use its mic and
> speaker (it should use transmitter mic like in device (1)); in call
> screen I don't have option to change into bluetooth one.
> What is solution for that?
> Is there any way that I can 'force' change from "Headset" into
> "Other Audio" in device (2)?
> 
> Regarding that, where I can find config file(s) of System Settings ->
> Bluetooth part (devices)?

Those things are stored directly in bluez, in /var/lib/bluetooth/



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Disconnecting of 'ssh localhost'

[Michael Zanetti]

If you are using the Terminal app a lot and this issue blocks you, until
those bugs are fixed, you might consider using TweakGeek to prevent the
terminal app from being suspended...

On 14.03.2016 09:40, Cesar Herrera wrote:
> When I run 'ssh localhost' in the terminal, is disconnected in certain
> cases:
> - If the phone locks.
> - When I change between apps.
> In those cases the terminal says:
> [1]+ Stopped   ssh localhost
> 
> I don't know if this is a correct behaviour or there is a bug.
> Cheers,
> Cesar
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] bluez on ubuntu phone

[Michael Zanetti]

On 12.03.2016 14:03, Rodney Dawes wrote:
> Hi Nick,
> 
> Low level APIs like bluez are generally not part of the SDK meant to be
> used by applications on the phone, and higher level QML APIs are what
> are supported in the SDK. However, currently there is also no policy
> group for talking to bluez over dbus, nor any supported method of
> performing background processing, so you won't be able to create a
> device pairing, or perform any background tasks, within an application
> you intend to upload to the store, currently.

From an API point of view, with some little knowledge of what's going
on, everything needed is around to create for instance multiplayer games
talking to each other over Bluetooth (basically use cases where your app
stays focused and the screen stays on). The only thing that's really
missing is an apparmor Bluetooth policy to allow those things from
confined apps. IMO it's about time to add that tho. I'll see if I can
poke Pat next week about this.

QtBluetooth is currently not included in the image seed, however,
installing libqtconnectivity-dev:armhf in the chroot and shipping
libqbluetooth5 within your click package would do just fine (example
here [1]).

Here for instance is some (very unpolished) code that adds a content hub
plugin for sending files over OBEX push [2] (in the shareplugin dir).
Note that I wrote this during Bluez4 days, so it wont work as is any
more today.

For other use cases, that require keeping a permanent connection to a
device even when the phone's screen is off, indeed currently there is no
defined way forward on how to get that into the official store. At this
point, I guess OpenStore is your best bet. An example for a smartwatch
app in OpenStore can be found here [3].

In any case, I think starting off with OpenStore and moving things over
to the official store as the Bluetooth story shapes up is a viable option.

Hope this helps,
Michael

[1]
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/rockwork/trunk/view/head:/rockworkd/rockworkd.pro#L132
[2] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/+junk/ubtd/files
[3] https://launchpad.net/rockwork
> 
> If you're just looking to experiment with the examples, you can follow
> the instructions in my answer on Ask Ubuntu[1] about how to set up a
> chroot to compile and run traditional CLI tools on the phone.
> 
> [1] https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/#623311
> 
> 
> On Sat, 2016-03-12 at 03:21 +0200, Николай Шатохин wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>> I'm trying to run few bluez examples on my ubuntu phone from here: ht
>> tp://people.csail.mit.edu/albert/bluez-intro/x502.html
>> But Ubuntu SDK can't compile it because can't found bluez headers
>> (and I suppose lib too). So, how to get it worked?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Nick
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Outgoing call makes phone freeze

[Michael Zanetti]

Hi Victor

On 09.03.2016 07:47, Vic G wrote:
> It could be related to the proximity sensor. I know for sure it is
> causing freezings to customers because they come to BQ support saying
> that the phone got stuck due to notifications and phone calls, this is
> possibly triggered by this bug:
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1531167
> 
> It has been re-targeted from OTA10 to OTA11.

I thin this is the same as I reported lately?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1542542

However, you suggest the proximity sensor should not be enabled at all.
The issue with that is that it would light up the screen if you received
a message when the phone is in your pocket. This leads to more battery
consumption and increased risk of unlocking the device in your pocket
(or entering the pin wrong 10 times in a row and locking the device down).
I think the proximity sensor does add some value here and it makes sense
to have it enabled, but IMO its logic needs to be tuned a bit more so
that it behaves more clever than it does currently. Would you agree? If
so, I guess we should mark your bug report as duplicate of mine?

Best regards,
Michael


> 
> Regards,
> 
> El 08/03/16 a las 16:24, Kevin Gunn escribió:
>> Based on the descriptions which started this thread, this seems
>> different than 
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1532607
>>
>> It seems it is strictly the dialer app is the item freezing, not the
>> entire shell - as they are able to navigate away from the dialer app
>> to get the green active-call banner. This could potentially be an
>> issue with focus management. I would recommend a separate bug be
>> filed. Gareth/Martin can you confirm the shell & the physical power
>> button still respond when in this state?
>>
>> br,kg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Vic G > > wrote:
>>
>> Is this the bug your are reproducing after OTA-9.1?
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1532607
>>
>> Please comment to reopen it if it's what you're experiencing.
>>
>> Can anyone else reproduce this bug?
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> El 08/03/16 a las 11:21, Gareth France escribió:
>>> On 08/03/16 10:19, Martin Bolte wrote:
 Hi,
 has anybody experienced this bug?
 When I make a call, the telephone screen freezes and I can press
 no buttons. I have to kill the app after connection is
 established and it recovers automatically (via a green bar that
 appears in the upper part of the screen). I have to tap the bar
 two times and then can use the phone pad normally. The call
 itself is not disturbed during all this. It has appeared after
 installing OTA-9 and continues in OTA-9.1.
 Hardware is a bq Aquaris 4.5

 Regards

 Martin

>>> Yes, this is driving me crazy too. But I have been rebooting to
>>> cure it. When it happens to me I get no audio on the call at all.
>>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] emulator

[Michael Zanetti]

I just realized that this is not xenial... In fact it seems to be a
rather old vivid image.

On 07.03.2016 13:12, Michael Zanetti wrote:
> sudo ubuntu-emulator create xenial
> ubuntu-emulator run xenial
> 
> On 07.03.2016 12:27, Yasmany Cubela Medina wrote:
>> Can you please Michael tell me which channel is that and how can i
>> create an emulator with it.
>>
>> Thanks so much
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:23 AM Michael Zanetti
>> mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes,
>>
>> sadly I can confirm that the release of Mir 0.20 did not fix the issue.
>>
>> FWIW, the emulator does work fine for me using a Xenial based channel (I
>> know this isn't really what you want, but I guess better than
>> nothing atm).
>>
>> Br,
>> Michael
>>
>> On 07.03.2016 00:06, Yasmany Cubela Medina wrote:
>> > Hello Nekhelesh, Thanks so much for answer.
>> >
>> > I also have an instance with the rc-proposed facing the same issue.
>> >
>> > Create another instance with devel-proposed and the emulator never
>> show
>> > the UI.
>> >
>> > Its really hard to develop an app for this OS if you can use the
>> > emulator, the developer team should take more care on this, not every
>> > one has the money to buy a phone.
>> >
>> > Again Thanks so much for answering.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:15 PM Nekhelesh Ramananthan
>> > mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com <mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Just noticed that the critical bug has been fixed in Mir 0.20.
>> I am
>> > not sure if Mir 0.20 has landed in the rc-proposed images. If it
>> > has, then if you use the latest rc-proposed image in the Ubuntu
>> > Emulator, it should work.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 at 22:42 Nekhelesh Ramananthan
>> > mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com <mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18239.htmlHi
>> Yasmany,
>> >
>> > I asked this very same question [0] on this mailing list a
>> month
>> > ago. The answer is *you cannot use the emulator *due to
>> critical
>> > bugs and as such is not in a usable state. You are basically
>> > hitting this bug [1] :/. At this point of time, your best
>> > solution would be to install the latest development release of
>> > Ubuntu which is Ubuntu 16.04 [2] and then install the
>> > Ubuntu-SDK. You can then run your apps directly on the
>> desktop.
>> > However this does not replace the emulator or phone since you
>> > cannot replicate life-cycle restrictions that confined
>> apps are
>> > bound to.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Nekhelesh
>> >
>> > [0] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18239.html
>> > [1]
>> >   
>>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1517597
>> > [2] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
>> >
>> > On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 at 19:32 Yasmany Cubela Medina
>> > mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:yasman...@gmail.com <mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello again. I reach since i really need your help.
>> You can
>> > find as attachment an screenshot of what im facing
>> with the
>> > emulator. Im using the rc channel and i stuck since i cant
>> > even pass the setup steps. I get a pointer besides the
>> > desktop one inside the emulator that i dont know how to
>> > interact with or perform click events o anything to
>> work with.
>> >
>> > Screenshot from 2016-03-06 13-58-58.pngPlease help.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:18 AM Yasmany Cubela Medina
>> > mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>
>> <m

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] emulator

[Michael Zanetti]

sudo ubuntu-emulator create xenial
ubuntu-emulator run xenial

On 07.03.2016 12:27, Yasmany Cubela Medina wrote:
> Can you please Michael tell me which channel is that and how can i
> create an emulator with it.
> 
> Thanks so much
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:23 AM Michael Zanetti
> mailto:michael.zane...@canonical.com>>
> wrote:
> 
> Yes,
> 
> sadly I can confirm that the release of Mir 0.20 did not fix the issue.
> 
> FWIW, the emulator does work fine for me using a Xenial based channel (I
> know this isn't really what you want, but I guess better than
> nothing atm).
> 
> Br,
> Michael
> 
> On 07.03.2016 00:06, Yasmany Cubela Medina wrote:
> > Hello Nekhelesh, Thanks so much for answer.
> >
> > I also have an instance with the rc-proposed facing the same issue.
> >
> > Create another instance with devel-proposed and the emulator never
> show
> > the UI.
> >
> > Its really hard to develop an app for this OS if you can use the
> > emulator, the developer team should take more care on this, not every
> > one has the money to buy a phone.
> >
> > Again Thanks so much for answering.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:15 PM Nekhelesh Ramananthan
> > mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com <mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Just noticed that the critical bug has been fixed in Mir 0.20.
> I am
> > not sure if Mir 0.20 has landed in the rc-proposed images. If it
> > has, then if you use the latest rc-proposed image in the Ubuntu
> > Emulator, it should work.
> >
> > On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 at 22:42 Nekhelesh Ramananthan
> > mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com <mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18239.htmlHi
> Yasmany,
> >
> > I asked this very same question [0] on this mailing list a
> month
> > ago. The answer is *you cannot use the emulator *due to
> critical
> > bugs and as such is not in a usable state. You are basically
> > hitting this bug [1] :/. At this point of time, your best
> > solution would be to install the latest development release of
> > Ubuntu which is Ubuntu 16.04 [2] and then install the
> > Ubuntu-SDK. You can then run your apps directly on the
> desktop.
> > However this does not replace the emulator or phone since you
> > cannot replicate life-cycle restrictions that confined
> apps are
> > bound to.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nekhelesh
> >
> > [0] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18239.html
> > [1]
> >   
>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1517597
> > [2] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
> >
> > On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 at 19:32 Yasmany Cubela Medina
> > mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:yasman...@gmail.com <mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello again. I reach since i really need your help.
> You can
> > find as attachment an screenshot of what im facing
> with the
> > emulator. Im using the rc channel and i stuck since i cant
> > even pass the setup steps. I get a pointer besides the
> > desktop one inside the emulator that i dont know how to
> > interact with or perform click events o anything to
> work with.
> >
> > Screenshot from 2016-03-06 13-58-58.pngPlease help.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:18 AM Yasmany Cubela Medina
> > mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:yasman...@gmail.com <mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > Im trying to develop an app and im using the
> emulator to
> > test it, sadly i do not have an ubuntu phone and cant
> > buy one since dont have the money.
> >
> > Im having issues to pick the right channel and
> image to
> >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] emulator

[Michael Zanetti]

Yes,

sadly I can confirm that the release of Mir 0.20 did not fix the issue.

FWIW, the emulator does work fine for me using a Xenial based channel (I
know this isn't really what you want, but I guess better than nothing atm).

Br,
Michael

On 07.03.2016 00:06, Yasmany Cubela Medina wrote:
> Hello Nekhelesh, Thanks so much for answer.
> 
> I also have an instance with the rc-proposed facing the same issue.
> 
> Create another instance with devel-proposed and the emulator never show
> the UI.
> 
> Its really hard to develop an app for this OS if you can use the
> emulator, the developer team should take more care on this, not every
> one has the money to buy a phone.
> 
> Again Thanks so much for answering.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:15 PM Nekhelesh Ramananthan
> mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Just noticed that the critical bug has been fixed in Mir 0.20. I am
> not sure if Mir 0.20 has landed in the rc-proposed images. If it
> has, then if you use the latest rc-proposed image in the Ubuntu
> Emulator, it should work.
> 
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 at 22:42 Nekhelesh Ramananthan
> mailto:krnekhel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18239.htmlHi Yasmany,
> 
> I asked this very same question [0] on this mailing list a month
> ago. The answer is *you cannot use the emulator *due to critical
> bugs and as such is not in a usable state. You are basically
> hitting this bug [1] :/. At this point of time, your best
> solution would be to install the latest development release of
> Ubuntu which is Ubuntu 16.04 [2] and then install the
> Ubuntu-SDK. You can then run your apps directly on the desktop.
> However this does not replace the emulator or phone since you
> cannot replicate life-cycle restrictions that confined apps are
> bound to.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nekhelesh
> 
> [0] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg18239.html
> [1]
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1517597
> [2] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
> 
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 at 19:32 Yasmany Cubela Medina
> mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello again. I reach since i really need your help. You can
> find as attachment an screenshot of what im facing with the
> emulator. Im using the rc channel and i stuck since i cant
> even pass the setup steps. I get a pointer besides the
> desktop one inside the emulator that i dont know how to
> interact with or perform click events o anything to work with.
> 
> Screenshot from 2016-03-06 13-58-58.pngPlease help.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:18 AM Yasmany Cubela Medina
> mailto:yasman...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Im trying to develop an app and im using the emulator to
> test it, sadly i do not have an ubuntu phone and cant
> buy one since dont have the money.
> 
> Im having issues to pick the right channel and image to
> create the emulator.
> 
> Can please point me to the right one so i can keep with
> my idea.
> 
> Thanks so much for the help.
> 
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