Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu at MWC in Barcelona
On 02/28/2017 01:28 AM, Mathijs Veen wrote: The additional move from click to snap has slowed us down and that is unfortunate. Canonical sort of shot themselves in the foot by introducing .clicks first. Click has been nucleus of what snap is now but the move from one to the other has obviously set them back. For histories sake, i would be very interested to know whether or not it was already decided in 2013 at the launch of the first ubuntu touch image that .click was going to be a temporary thing. Snap is an additional improvement on Ubuntu but it doesnt say anything about the strategy for phones/tablets one way or another. Canonical has been pretty clear all along that snaps were basically click 2.0, and they took the lessons learned from developing a self-contained packaging format and decided that by extending that, they could create something that would actually fulfill a role on all Ubuntu devices in a universal manner. We can see pretty clearly that while snaps have some issues to overcome (confinement is *really* hard to introduce in a way that doesn't cripple apps that were not designed with confinement in mind), the progress since April has been incredible, and today I can enjoy the latest version of LibreOffice or run Nextcloud on a server without worrying about my version of Ubuntu or what version is in the repositories. This universal, Ubuntu Core-based developer story is what will allow a developer to package an app with very little regard to compatibility and let it run on any Ubuntu device, be it phone, tablet, desktop, or server. This has been slower progress on the architectural side, but because this allows developers to target Ubuntu 16.04 and package their dependencies, it means that as support rolls out to hardware and devices, any snap will run anywhere. Even with Ubuntu Core images for different reference platforms, all of the hardware enablement is contained in a single snap. If you snapify the drivers and boot enablement for a platform, you only have to take the core snap and create an image and you have a system. This is radically simpler than the current "build a read-only image that wraps all the drivers and Ubuntu ecosystem and default software." It will be a case of a hardware enablement project handling the gadget snap that enables the hardware, throwing in the core snap, the unity8 snap, and whatever default applications they want to offer, and creating an image. The road ahead is rocky, and I'm not happy that the Nexus 7 I bought specifically for Ubuntu is worthless for that now (although it makes a decent YouTube/Netflix player under Android 6.0). But the Ubuntu phones were always marketed as developer reference platforms, and in the end, the transition to snaps should make snap-compatible platforms effortless to support. So yes, Canonical's promises to support devices for two LTSes is broken, and that's not pleasant. But the full-snap-based images of the future are going to be something that work across all Ubuntu form factors. Cloud, server, desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone. And while it may be cold comfort for current device holders, it's going to bring that promise of full convergence to reality. I'm looking forward to it. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 released
On 09/20/2016 04:46 PM, Michi Henning wrote: With the storage framework, higher-level services, such as backup or syncing, can be layered on top. I especially look forward to Nextcloud support. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Accessing SSH (on Raspbery) from Ubuntu Phone
On 09/19/2016 01:25 AM, Chris wrote: I was looking in ubuntu app store for "SSH" and "VNC" keywords, but nothing shows up. As far as SSH goes, you're overthinking it! :) You have a full Linux computer with GNU userspace in your hand. Open the terminal and use the program 'ssh' just as you would on any other Ubuntu machine. Do note that if you let the screen turn off or switch away to a different task, the terminal will suspend and your SSH session may time out (so byobu/tmux/screen on the RPi is a really good idea). As for VNC, there's no native app, so you may have to use libertine-container-manager to create a chroot container and install a VNC client. But you're going to want a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard to use your VNC client. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Thread on Hacker News
On 09/06/2016 02:56 AM, padraic stack wrote: Thought people might be interested in this: https://t.co/B1exFdmB88 https://t.co/Xm0MQdFLKB It's polite to give any kind of description on what to expect when posting links. It's downright rude to use link shorteners with no context. The first link is a comment on YCombinator, discussing an article. The second link is the article in question. The article discusses in some detail the experience of developing for Ubuntu phones using the SDK, and describes his problems with the inadequate Ubuntu documentation. He also provides as many solutions as he has been able to find: http://zxstudio.org/blog/2016/04/06/experience-ubuntu-touch-development/ The post is overall positive, and he provides links to help interested new developers find their footing. The YCombinator comments don't seem to be related, and are just sort of man-on-the-ground comments, although there only appears to be one Ubuntu device user, and he isn't happy (but seems hopeful for improvements): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12433739 Worth taking a look at. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes
On 08/26/2016 03:21 AM, Mathijs Veen wrote: Hi Nathan, Canonical has *very* little to do with this. Everything is up to OEMs and carriers. So you'll need to rely on Bq or Meizu for any kind of definitive information. I know that that is the official response when pppl ask about a possible new device on the cards. And I appreciate that such an announcement would certainly be up to oems. But if a device is actualy *not* being worked on (anymore) by Canonical, Why shouldnt that be ok for Canonical to say so? Just like I would expect Canonical to be in a position to confirm it is NOT currently developing an Ubuntu edition of say a Lumia 640. Because there's no way for them to know. The ultimate fate--launch, suspension, reevaluation, cancellation, etc.--literally depends on the OEM. In the cellular industry (as with all others), the contracts come with non-disclosure agreements. The OEM's business department decides whether or not device development will begin, at what specs, at what launch target, and then when that is contractually locked down, they will determine the continuing status. The OEM's marketing department will be in charge of any announcements, on what channels, and in what shape communications will form. i am of course refering to the vanishing Midori images. Also, at least some of the buzz of months past about the MX6 must have originated from Canonical sources ;) No, there's no reason to think that. Chinese vendors often leak information as a way of measuring interest. If so, this was something that Meizu did. But we have seen no more news or hints for months now. So if the MX6 is -for some reason- no more, it would be cool -and really practical info for me and a lot of others- if that could be confirmed. The MX6 never *was*. In fact, this is exactly my point--you have made a decision based on a rumor without an announcement. Now, that's up to you, but I would never recommend it. It's a very foolish thing to do. Now imagine that an OEM (or worse, Canonical, who has no say in whether a device launches or not) makes an announcement before things have been determined and budgeted. How much more upset will you be if you make a decision based on that? You're asking Canonical to undermine their partners in a most professional way. You're upset that OEMs don't undermine themselves in a very professional way. You're asking about an imaginary device that was never announced. Maybe they ran some tests and decided that the phone's hardware wasn't compatible, or wasn't powerful enough, or wasn't profitable enough, or any number of reasons a company might not continue development on a model. Maybe the MX25 is coming out next week and they shifted focus to that. In any case, if work was done on midori, it wasn't announced and we can see that in general this is for good reason. In fact, it's usually *illegal* to leak this information because of SEC and other stock regulations. Business just doesn't work that way. And OEMs don't necessarily tell Canonical anything at all, much less in a timely manner. In the meantime, you're on this list asking developers who don't work for Canonical for inside information. This is a pretty good rant, and it's not all directed at you. I'm explaining this in detail because "Why doesn't Canonical derelict their contractual obligations by committing securities fraud, trading insider information, and betraying and undermining their commercial partners plans and market advantage so that I, personally, can be excited about a phone before it's certain that it will be released?" is a question that comes up a lot. So I'm elaborating to give others something to think about. The answer is because there's *zero* reason to do so, and a lot of very expensive legal reasons not to do so, even if anybody *would* work with Canonical again if they did. I understand the excitement, and I've wanted to ask colleagues at Canonical as well when I have the privilege of seeing them in person. I don't ask, because they don't know and it's an extremely unreasonable question. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] shiping more ubuntu touch phoes
On 08/26/2016 01:27 AM, Mathijs Veen wrote: If there will be no Mx6 I need to explore other options: Another secondhand N4 or possible trying to root and reflash a Meizu Pro5 or even looking at one of the porting projects. All these options are less then ideal though and means i will be in pionering land for the foreseeable future Canonical has *very* little to do with this. Everything is up to OEMs and carriers. So you'll need to rely on Bq or Meizu for any kind of definitive information. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Libertine wine
On 07/10/2016 03:55 PM, Daniel Llewellyn wrote: On 10/07/2016 23:30, Wayne Ward wrote: Anybody tried wine in a libertine container Just wondering if wine would run a 32 bit app in a libertine container IE gta vice city? Sounds sad but I like to blear away from work !! On a phone you'll have an ARM processor, and as WINE doesn't emulate an x86 CPU then this cannot work for Windows programs which are compiled for x86. On the bright side, DOSBox works more or less fine. On the not-so-bright-side, there's certainly no MIDI support and I haven't had time to test sound support in general. And there's no OSK support, although the Ubuntu OSK is not suitable for DOSBox or other command line operations and probably never will be. Pack a Bluetooth keyboard. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Mycroft
On 06/22/2016 03:14 PM, Wayne Ward wrote: Anybody know of any testing with Ubuntu touch and mycroft Probably more on topic on the ubuntu-app-devel list or in the Mycroft forums. That's where testers are more likely to be hanging out, especially in the earliest stages. Been testing on ubuntu today and noticed arm in the ppa... It's primarily ARM because Raspberry Pis are used for the commercial product. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Bluetooth 4.0 mouse not connecting
On 06/17/2016 04:46 PM, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: Bluetooth does not use dongles that would be another tech. Of course Bluetooth uses dongles. They're very common with Bluetooth keyboards or mice because not all systems (particularly desktops) have Bluetooth receivers. Incidentally, I use an old Bluetooth receiver with my Raspberry Pi 2. It goes into the USB port right next to the WiFi dongle I bought for the Pi. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.
On 06/17/2016 03:03 AM, Olivier Tilloy wrote: Either way there doesn’t seem to be an easy solution to the removal of the messenger feature from the mobile website. Well, we could all chip in on a Kickstarter campaign to buy Facebook and make them put it back. :) -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.
On 06/15/2016 12:23 AM, Gareth France wrote: Everything from that point up to and including getting the app published in the software centre. Once you have a click file, getting it published in the Ubuntu Store is as easy as uploading it on developer.ubuntu.com. So focus on the app creation--publishing is dead simple. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 08.06.16
On 06/08/2016 12:21 PM, Wayne Ward wrote: Thats awesome news with owncloud contacts! Will that cover calendar aswell It doesn't cover OwnCloud contacts at all. It adds OwnCloud account support in the OS. Likewise it has nothing to do with calendaring. Everything else will depend on third-party apps, but this is a foundation that any OwnCloud app can use to manage authentication and server details, meaning those developers can focus on the synchronization process and not worry about reinventing the wheel on authentication. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Bug 1589796] Phone/tablet Not mentioned on documentation home page
On 06/07/2016 11:26 PM, linuxgeht...@habmalnefrage.de wrote: There is a good documentation at beginners and more powerful users at the German community https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ubuntu_Touch and could be in for you relevant infos adopted to the English pages but there was no answer to this question in the forum from the doc team. This was about a year ago and a Google translater availlable. So what's the current status - somebody want to take infos from there or are there (free) licence conflicts? The CC-BY-NC-SA 2.5 license used on wiki.ubuntuusers.de is a non-Free license and is incompatible with the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license used on wiki.ubuntu.com. Because the German Ubuntu wiki forbids its reuse in this manner, this documentation MUST NOT be used as a basis for English documentation on the Ubuntu wiki through translation. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Nexus 4
On 06/07/2016 12:08 AM, francisco mulas caracuel wrote: I buy new nexus 4 and installed ubuntu touch. This smartphone is very good,and the bq e4.5 save to box. The first boot: Scopes today,nearby,news,photos not included in the so. It does depend on what channel you install from, but the Nexus 4 is a developer reference device, and therefore the default channel does not include a lot of extra software and features. This allows you to set them up for your own development needs. For retail devices, each vendor chooses a list of software to come preinstalled to give a better experience to the end user who is not an Ubuntu developer. The scope today no included day info. This frustrates me too, but the last I heard, Canonical cannot ship the Day scope in the store and has no interest in doing so. I installed libertine scope. This will show applications installed in a Libertine container, if any. However, the stable/bq-aquaris.en channel's images do not include libertine--this will be added in a couple of months now that the feature has launched and stabilized. Why install x-11 aplications? The only reason to install an X11 application is because you want to run one on your Nexus 4. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] canonical newsletter
On 05/31/2016 12:53 PM, Alan Pope wrote: > On 31 May 2016 at 19:21, Wayne Ward wrote: >> updating! the tablet looks like its from 1980's! a nice BQ HD10 would >> look nice with a meizu and maybe a HD5 > > Maybe tell us the link? I assume he means http://www.canonical.com/ -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] (no subject)
On 05/31/2016 11:43 AM, Marcos Alonso wrote: But I have a bq e5 and I have just understood from previous mails that will not be the case... Is there any good reason why this will not be implemented on bq terminals? Yes. Because it depends on both hardware and driver support, and the implementation has to be built on top. So first, the developers are working to implement the feature, make it reliable and stable, and then test it. By focusing on just one hardware platform, they can focus their energy on getting it working in the first place. Then, once the feature exists and works well, they can begin to investigate whether it's even *possible* on other kernels and hardware. That will be extra work for each combination, although it might be easier on some than on others. This has been discussed on on the list before. :) But remember, your phone was sold to you with the promise that it does not connect to external screens. It's always important to buy devices and software for the features they have today, not on promises of features that might be to come. (This is advice I've always given to my clients.) The good news is that last I heard, adding support looks hopeful. But they'll find out when they start on that journey. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] M10 "Ubuntu One" account - cannot be added.
On 05/18/2016 03:46 AM, Paul Harmsworth wrote: How do I force a system update on the tablet You can't really "force" an update. There has to be one available on the channel your system images are supplied from, or there's nothing to update to. Your device will inform you when there's an update available. Then you start System Settings, choose Update, and then Ubuntu updates are listed if available. They phase in over a 24-hour period for retail devices. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Aquaris M10 playing movies
On 05/17/2016 02:29 PM, Leonardo "LeartS" Donelli wrote: Hey guys, any news on this issue? Please subscribe to the bug (you can simply click "Does this bug affect you?" at the top of the bug report) if you want to receive updates on this (or any) issue. https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1574729 It is currently scheduled as a goal for OTA-12. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dispositivo bq
On 05/17/2016 12:38 PM, Marcos Alonso wrote: So, I fully agree on the previous comment. Wouldn' t be worthy to solve that very common used features to make the system more attractive to more users? Yes, but the design team are made up of UX design specialists. They cannot put down their pens and markers and pick up a keyboard and start fixing some of the other problems (some of which are being solved in harder but much more flexible ways--for example, SIP calling and universal instant messaging will be integrated into the dialer and messaging app. That takes longer to implement and polish than just pushing out half-baked individual apps that don't work well with the application lifecycle, but once the integration work is done, adding new protocols is easy and they all have the same features.) Likewise, while there is *some* development work and testing to implement a new design, all of the developers aren't putting down their keyboards to pick up pens and makers. Which isn't to say the new palette is good--it's an ugly and confusing regression that makes the phone far less usable and much less attractive. But it's not delaying other essential work, either. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Porting a GNUstep application to the M10
On 05/13/2016 02:43 PM, Dale Amon wrote: I worked around that by editing on my laptop and rsyncing the modified file and an icon across to the notepad: ... But nothing shows up on the GUI laptop. > NotShowIn=Unity; This is why. :) -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Best means for getting photos OFF Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition?
On 05/09/2016 02:00 AM, Michael Zanetti wrote: Hmm... The fact that people seem to recommend ssh and even adb over MTP, indicates that something seems wrong with our MTP support. I've never had trouble with MTP, but if someone's determined to use SSH (a tried and true method!) and hunting for an SFTP client, it's time for a reminder that Ubuntu ships one with Nautilus. :) I'm not sure there *is* an alternative. In the meantime, SFTP is definitely one of the pros of convergence. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Best means for getting photos OFF Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition?
On 05/08/2016 09:40 PM, bruce wrote: What a cool tip! I didn't know you could do that. On 05/09/2016 12:31 AM, Nathan Haines wrote: ssh://phablet@[ip address]/home/phablet/ You can even open and save files in GNOME apps that way. If I need to do a *very* minor update to my website, for instance, I sometimes use Nautilus to access it (my SSH key automatically authenticates), right-click > Open with > Gedit the HTML file, make the change, hit Save, and exit. It's a very handy feature. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Best means for getting photos OFF Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition?
On 05/08/2016 06:36 PM, Bob Summerwill wrote: > Any recommendations on the best means for getting photos OFF my Meizu > MX4 Ubuntu Edition device? The best and fastest means is USB. But if you insist on using a network connection, just enable SSH, then use Nautilus. You can press Ctrl+L and then enter 'ssh://phablet@[ip address]/home/phablet/' and you're all set. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 06.05.16
On 05/06/2016 03:27 PM, Yasmany Cubela Medina wrote: Any news on the image for emulator? Yes, the email was pretty clear about that: On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 5:18 PM Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak mailto:lukasz.zemc...@canonical.com>> wrote: The system-image importer is back up so rc-proposed nightly builds should be good again. We used this time to prepare an OTA-10.1 re-spin for just the emulator that we'll be handing over for a quick QA next week. We want to get it into stable as soon as possible. Of course, we expect to have OTA-11 images for the emulator as well - once the release is ready. Was there something more specific you were asking about? -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dash and Scopes design evolution
On 05/04/2016 05:49 PM, Kristijan Žic wrote: I have just finished watching Scopes design evolution from UOS. They are proposing to have all scopes organized in some kind of browser-like way. And at first I was so amazed about the future of it and liked the new ideas very much. But as I kept thinking more and more about it, I can't help but wonder why can't that be just an app with plugins? Well the first reason is that the Dash is a scope in Unity 8. I wonder that there's no desktop design story yet. I wonder if it makes sense to be a full-screen overlay that the Super key can access, and can be resized smaller if desired (like it is today in Unity 7). But if it's essential on a phone or tablet, you probably won't want it to just disappear when you plug your device into a monitor, so surely there must be a great, adaptable way to present that aspect of Unity. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [tablet] confused after connecting M10 to monitor via HDMI.
On 04/25/2016 11:19 AM, Alexey Balmashnov wrote: Though, if only 1920x1080 will be ever supported... This does not fit optimal resolution of my monitor anymore... Sigh. Just from the outside looking in, though, 1920x1200 isn't 16:9, so the specifications are *clearly* wrong. Whether the resolution is wrong or the aspect ratio is wrong, I couldn't say (although it certainly *looks* to be 16:9 in the marketing image). -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Screenshot on Aquaris M10
On 04/22/2016 06:28 PM, Mitchell Reese wrote: Is there a command directly from the device? Yes. The command is 'phablet-config welcome-wizard --enable'. You run it directly on the device. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Screenshot on Aquaris M10
On 04/22/2016 06:43 PM, Mitchell Reese wrote: phablet-config: command not found. Ah, no, sorry, my train of thought obviously derailed. For that, you'll want: rm .config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Screenshot on Aquaris M10
On 04/22/2016 05:54 PM, Jonathan Meek wrote: I noticed this issue but didn't realize there was a fix for it. Seeing as I've already set up my tablet completely is there anyway to fix this in situ? Yes, 'phablet-config welcome-wizard --enable' will rerun the welcome experience wizard. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10
On 04/12/2016 01:36 AM, Alan Bell wrote: On 12/04/16 09:06, Nathan Haines wrote: On 04/12/2016 12:47 AM, Alan Bell wrote: On 12/04/16 03:52, Nathan Haines wrote: brand orange (which seems to have changed over the past six months) why has it changed? It seems to have quietly been changed from #dd4814 ... to #E95420 in the ui toolkit palette Your guess is as good as mine. I would have imagined this to be pretty important, considering how important branding is to Canonical (and it's facilitated some fantastic community work). yeah, there are a ton of community generated logos and web things that are all wrong if the colour of Community Orange is changing - and nobody knows if it should be updated or not. T-shirts, signs, banners, the business card templates I designed. Lots of stuff. The quietness kind of implies that the reason is something not broadcastable, like a trademark dispute that they are folding on, but I can't imaging anyone having a trademark on an exact colour specification. Plus given that nobody cares about bug #1505970 trademarks don't seem to be a major concern to the phone project. Hamlindigo Blue comes immediately to mind. :) In any case, the bug doesn't concern me--"navigation" is a very old metaphor used as concerns the World Wide Web. No, I think this is the usual opacity from the Design Team. They made some major strides towards transparency for a year or two, and then retreated again. It's disappointing, but it's a matter of habit--it's rare that design decisions are discussed or even pre-broadcast. And even more common that they're not. The rebranding for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS was a giant surprise, and that had to happen in steps. But was the font story ever fascinating. And illustrative--the reason they held the actual font files back so long was that once you release something, it gets used immediately. A hard decision, but the right one. No telling if that holds true this time. In any case, the Design Team has done wonderful things and it's not too late for them to let us in on the secret. I think they just need to get back in the habit. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10
On 04/12/2016 12:47 AM, Alan Bell wrote: On 12/04/16 03:52, Nathan Haines wrote: brand orange (which seems to have changed over the past six months) why has it changed? It seems to have quietly been changed from #dd4814 ... to #E95420 in the ui toolkit palette Your guess is as good as mine. I would have imagined this to be pretty important, considering how important branding is to Canonical (and it's facilitated some fantastic community work). I'd be inclined to be more cynical about it, but the Canonical Design Team tends to have a method to their madness. I just wish they'd tell us sooner! -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design]: Color changes in OTA 10
On 04/11/2016 01:42 PM, Peter Bittner wrote: After some days with OTA-10 I must admit I have a hard time accepting light-blue is the new orange. I was immediately struck with the same thought, but didn't say anything for two reasons: The blue color in the indicator menus was explained to be a bug due to misusing the color theme names, and so I expected it to change back after a week or so. After that didn't happen and the new palette was announced, I thought it was only reasonable to take some time to get used to it. Frankly, I haven't gotten used to it at all. It's out of place and doesn't match any of the colors, which tend toward brand orange (which seems to have changed over the past six months) and various warm greys. And because most of the apps were designed with this in mind, the indicators and OSK look really, really jarring and out of place. They're bright in a way the orange never was. As much as I appreciate the clear, deliberate work that was made in defining the new palette, I think this was a major misstep. It doesn't look like Ubuntu, and doesn't match the design sensibilities of the desktop, either. And that's the worst thing: I don't use Ubuntu on my Nexus 7 very often because it's not terribly useful. (I expect this to change rapidly with convergence and the rebase on snappy.) But I absolutely don't want these colors on my desktop in 16.10. They're jarring and unsettling. The indicator colors insofar as they match the blues, greens, and reds of the desktop are fine. But as accent colors for toggle switches and slider bars, they make the OS look *really* unprofessional. The only thing missing now are yellow and purple and we'll have every single color in the system theme. I'm happy to offer suggestions or let the Design Team do what they usually do best. But I hope there's an opportunity to revisit the design spec here. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Bug 1567283] Re: BQ E4.5 (OTA-10): Dekko not showing To: and Cc:
On 04/09/2016 12:32 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Friday, April 08, 2016 a las 11:17:09PM -, Nathan Haines escribió: ** Changed in: dekko Status: Confirmed => New Hello, Why you have the state reset to New. There are 4 who are affected too. Thanks One of those other people need to set the state to confirmed--not the reporter (in this case, you). Unfortunately, I haven't had time to spend in Ubuntu on my tablet today, or I would have done it myself. I'm sure one of the four others would have done the same if you hadn't tried to subvert the status process. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 23.03.16
On 03/24/2016 06:21 PM, Randall Ross wrote: I'm with Nathan. I can't get a side stage on Nexus 7. Even the System Settings which used to naturally be on the side stage are now full screen, always. Side-stage on the Nexus 7 works, and System Settings is *far* better in full-screen in many instances. Particularly in portrait mode. The problem is the appalling lack of documentation and changelogs. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 23.03.16
On 03/24/2016 05:57 PM, Alan Pope wrote: AIUI the gestures and UX for it have been updated. You may not have seen the new welcome wizard which explains the gestures, as you're on an existing OTA-updated install? e.g. http://i.imgur.com/pmqyG93.jpg (image from Daniel Wood) If it's actually impossible to trigger side stage then that's a bug and not intentionally removed. The welcome wizard asks you to swipe left to reveal the Today scope, which of course doesn't ship on the Nexus 7 and isn't fully functional from the Ubuntu App Store anyway, and then dies. Maybe it decides to tell you about the indicator menu and sometimes not--I've seen it both ways after a complete reflash, and then is never seen again. It certainly never says anything about the side stage. Or the bottom edge, or the right edge. In any case, I'm a fan of multitouch gestures. On the bright side, the new OTB setup wizard is absolutely gorgeous. I want it on the desktop now. :) Three-finger drag seems to be working, although I think the way apps stack there simply wouldn't work at all if the right-edge quick swap gesture were different. Luckily, it's quite usable. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 23.03.16
On 03/24/2016 05:31 PM, Alan Pope wrote: On 24 March 2016 at 23:38, Nathan Haines wrote: I'm very disappointed that side-stage was removed from tablets. It wasn't removed. You're holding it wrong. Since Unity 8 forces landscape orientation on the Nexus 7 for the dash and previously side-staged apps are now full-screen in both landscape and portrait orientation, I rather doubt it! -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 23.03.16
On 03/23/2016 05:07 PM, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak wrote: Just some of the new features: new dash navigation, hardware keyboard layouts support, desktop mode toggle, new side-stage for tablet and many more. I'm very disappointed that side-stage was removed from tablets. Is there a chance this feature will return in the future? -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] No contacts after flash
On 03/22/2016 04:06 PM, Gareth France wrote: So my phone was wiped and restored as planned. After placing my backed up files where they belong the calls history is working however the contacts are missing. I tried adding a contact into the blank contacts app and now have a contact called 'Test' but this has not affected the data in the addressbook directory. Deleting the addressbook directory entirely doesn't have any affect and I don't seem to be able to add any new contacts any more either. So where is it getting this data from and how do I change it back to where it should be? First question: did you reboot immediately after restoring your files? (And if not, you might want to re-restore your contacts database and reboot.) -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] How to backup
On 03/22/2016 12:35 PM, Gareth France wrote: On 22/03/16 19:29, Neil McPhail wrote: You had mentioned you could access you phone by SSH. I didn't realise you could do that over USB, beyond running phablet-shell. Have a look at https://gurucubano.gitbooks.io/bq-aquaris-e-4-5-ubuntu-phone/content/en/chapter1.html for how to enable for wifi. But if you have found a way to access over USB, you could use that, I'm sure. NMP I'm still stuck trying to get this key onto my phone. I've tried emailing it to myself but neither gmail nor Dekko seem to have an option to save an attachment. Your best bet, really, is to use the terminal to move your backup files to ~/Documents, and then just drag and drop them out from there. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] E5 OOB exerience
On 03/21/2016 12:38 AM, Gareth France wrote: The big question for me is this. You were obviously running the system with quite old software, the OTA update has resolved that now. No, the OTA update broke the phone. Which is a pretty big deal. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] font size/ accessibility
On 02/11/2016 04:46 AM, Markus Wimmer wrote: That sounds good, is there any real chance to get this realised ? It would be nice in general if there were a page, where users could post feature requests. I really can't explain, but "askubuntu" feels for me like a kind of black hole. Speaking of "looking in the right place," I do want to mention that Ask Ubuntu is for peer-to-peer technical support, not for bug reports or feature requests! We regularly send tech support questions on /r/Ubuntu to Ask Ubuntu. It's probably the best resource out there. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Hdmi cable
On 01/12/2016 04:21 PM, Wayne Ward wrote: Can anyone tell me which cable / adapter id need to buy to get my Bq 4.5 connect to hdmi monitor please Link would nice.. Wayne The Ubuntu BQ and Meizu phones cannot connect to external displays. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Hdmi cable
On 01/12/2016 04:31 PM, Lutz Fechner wrote: Is that a hardware or software limitation? It's a hardware limitation. Although maybe one day some kind of wireless streaming like Miracast will be possible. :) -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] US
On 01/05/2016 05:34 PM, Eric Holmi wrote: Is there currently a plan to add a United States phone that is officially supported? Any such plans are up to OEMs and carriers and will be NDAed until they are ready to announce their plans. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Making Touch flashable
On 12/11/2015 02:32 AM, Mark wrote: One of Ubuntu's great strengths is being able to flash it onto a huge number of computers, even when the device is aging. I'm sure you have it in mind, but it would be good to be able to do similar with Touch. It's that there's an issue with proprietary drivers - can that not be somehow overcome? No, it can't. There's no standard for bootloaders, hardware discovery, memory partitioning, or anything else in ARM. It's a huge problem. :( On the bright side, when Ubuntu Personal comes along (powered by snappy), x86-based tablets might be a lot more interesting then. :) -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] music app doesn't play music.
On 11/25/2015 02:54 PM, Ashwin Sewambar wrote: Fair enough. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't been missing something very obvious, like the need to install codecs or something as easy as that, because of the persistence of the problem. A reasonable guess, and a good first start. Unfortunately, it should "just work." I haven't had too much time to address it properly before. I will file a bug report then. Hopefully the root cause is discovered quickly and can be addressed. Include your log file along with the bug report if you can! Thank you for helping to make Ubuntu better by reporting bugs. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] music app doesn't play music.
On 11/25/2015 02:10 PM, Ashwin Sewambar wrote: Well, I don't want to sound rude, but, I've had three replies: One telling me that my music should be copied in the 'music folder', one telling me to reboot, and one telling me that it's just an ordinary crash. It does come across as a little bit rude. You didn't give anything close to enough information at the start. Just "the music app doesn't play any music" which we know isn't fundamentally true of the app, and what amounts to 'I'm going to be really vague about what version of Ubuntu I'm running but you get three guesses.' So someone tried to address the obvious: the Music app only plays music under a specific folder, and then in case that's not the problem, others asked for more information are trying to troubleshoot more information by testing if this is something that goes away after a reboot or if it's a persistent problem. "Try rebooting" doesn't mean "and then stop bothering us if it works after that, because it's not really a problem." It means "We need to know if this is a temporary problem that is caused by something failing, and this is one way to try and determine a starting condition." Meanwhile, the logs you sent someone seem to suggest that it's an ordinary crash of a system service, and it is useful to know if MediaHub is NEVER running on your tablet, or if it starts out running and then crashes later. In any case, this is the nature of troubleshooting, and since the Music app generally works on every device except yours, we're going to need to examine your device if we're to find out what makes yours different. This problem has been persistent on OTA-6, OTA-7 AND OTA-8 and in both the rc-proposed and stable channels. I'd just like to have some music now and/or file a bug report if necessary. Anyone out here who wants to take this issue seriously? Bugs are invisible and don't exist unless there's a bug report filed. I understand you're frustrated and just want some music, but the problem hasn't existed for anybody else until 8 hours ago when you posted about it on the mailing list. You can take the first step toward taking the bug seriously and notifying the developers and tracking its status by filing a bug below: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/ It's going to be only the first in a process that is probably going to require a small amount of work on your part in providing information about your device, if you are interested in doing so. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 03.11.15
On 11/03/2015 05:34 PM, Michi Henning wrote: Thanks Łukasz! Just a question: how long does it typically take for the new stuff to make it into rc-proposed? I just downloaded the image for Mako and got build 278, which doesn't include the new thumbnailer yet, as far as I can tell. There's a build every night, although I don't know *when*. So it's never more than a day. :) -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 23.10.15
On 10/23/2015 11:40 PM, Marco A. Harrendorf wrote: A big Unity8 landing that was long in development, integrating unity-controlled mouse pointers, external screen support and many other convergence changes is now ready to land. Does this mean that we can soon (before Christmas) buy a convergence device (produced by BQ)? No, but a convergence-capable device won't mean anything until the software's ready, either. So that's the first step. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"
On 10/08/2015 09:24 PM, Ionut Negru wrote: Please excuse my ignorance, but what is this IOS? Is the OS shortening from operating system? iOS is the system software that runs on Apple's iPad and iPhone devices. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [telegram] New phone number
On 09/13/2015 01:12 AM, Marco F wrote: Hi and thanks for the reply. Indeed, the web version of telegram should work. But the thing is, I no longer have my old phone so I can't receive the SMS to log in... The only way to change the phone number is via any already logged in phones (i.e. my ubuntu phone) When you log in, Telegram will send the verification code to your Telegram account in addition to SMS. So if you do still have a logged in phone, you'll still be able to log in with the web client and change your phone number. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Mutitasking (was Owncloud App?)
On 08/17/2015 08:42 PM, Thomas A. Moulton wrote: ok so I am mixing threads... Will apps be able to continue running in background or at least be able to keep a socket open when not active? On anything other than a phone, yes. On a phone, no. Unless you change the setting manually because you hate battery life. Then yes, and you've always been able to do that. But no one's going to spend time optimizing applications on the phone--if you break a fundamental design feature on your phone, you'll have to live with the consequences. Your mileage may vary, but if you keep unused apps closed you might be fine. (The default intended experience is that you never, ever have to worry about whether apps are running.) -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Owncloud App?
On 08/17/2015 08:13 PM, Thomas A. Moulton wrote: Considering the Ubuntu Core is being used in the IoT the multitasking issue/questions will very likely be resolved/improved as well (IMHO) I am no expert here, so if anyone knows better please correct me... Snappy fixes the problems with OwnCloud server, but has nothing to do with multitasking and application lifecycle management, which won't change on the phone. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Tablet and DualBoot
On 08/15/2015 01:20 PM, Thomas A. Moulton wrote: I stumbled upon this wiki page and was interested by it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation If you're on a Nexus 7, I'd recommend MultiROM Manager, althoguh I dn't know if ti's compatible with the very latest Android 5.1 updates. It does make installing Ubuntu seamless, although on the Nexus 7 I had to manually change the channel on the device after installation. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Development] Override user agent string in WebApp
On 08/13/2015 11:06 PM, Mitchell Reese wrote: So what's the plan then for convergence? Well, most likely the application lifecycle won't be constrained while desktop mode is active. There's no existential crisis here. Staged mode would be ludicrous on the desktop. Windowed mode would be ludicrous on the phone. The default settings are going to make sense for the primary use case, and users will be able to switch between desktop and mobile mode on demand. If a mobile application lifecycle doesn't make sense on the desktop, I would put forward the idea that a desktop application lifecycle makes no more sense on a phone or tablet. In Ubuntu, convergence means being the best it can be on each form factor with no compromises, and the ability for a single application to adapt instantly and seamlessly to each form factor. Ubuntu's designers are working on the exact desktop story and where this all fits in. It's never been done before and nobody else is trying. It's going to be an exciting year. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Application startup
On 08/04/2015 04:31 AM, Davide Alberelli wrote: 2015-08-04 13:17 GMT+02:00 Arash mailto:aras...@gmail.com>>: Hi. A phone is a phone and if you don't intend to use it like a phone, you have to deal with the consequences and not the phone makers. So you are basically saying goodbye (and thanks for all the fish) to convergence :) Well, not necessarily. A phone still has to be able to answer and make phone calls (especially emergency calls) even when it is being used as a desktop-style device. There's no reason to think the Dialer app would even be installed on a desktop or tablet before VoIP and SIP integration are finished (and even then it's likely to be optional). I suspect this is something that snappy will improve. In any case it's not an *unreasonable* suggestion while other, more permanent work is underway. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] RFC- Having a bluetooth service to handle pairing
On 07/29/2015 02:04 AM, Alberto Mardegan wrote: BTW, anyone wants to become a hero and solve this? :-) Ooh! The easiest way to solve this is to disable the preference and force Bluetooth to always be on! ;) -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Bug 1475915] Re: as receiver of messages switch-off received notifications
On 07/22/2015 10:42 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: The point is, that even between trusted and identified person every side should be able to let the sender in the unsureness if the message arrived to his/her eyes or not. This is what privacy is called and which is violated by Telegram. No, Telegram is specifically only for messages where you want delivery assurance and read receipts. If you need to communicate without that, there's a perfectly good way to do that and it's called SMS. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Bug 1475915] Re: as receiver of messages switch-off received notifications
On 07/22/2015 10:27 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: No. The comparisation you use is wrong. It is like: you get a call and you do not want to pick it up for whatever reason. And the service provider gives to the caller the message "phone was ringing, I know the person is sitting next to the phone, but unwilling to pick it up" Which can't really happen the way Telegram is designed. But even then, this is very easily deduced--especially if the call goes to voicemail in under 30 seconds. The point is, Telegram is designed to be used with trusted, identified persons, not strangers. There's nothing wrong with finding it unuseful or undesirable for any reason, but complaining that it does the thing it was designed to do is more than a little silly. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Bug 1475915] Re: as receiver of messages switch-off received notifications
On 07/22/2015 10:16 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: Of course it is a privacy violation case when a piece of software is giving to others the information (without my permission) that I have received a message on the screen. No matter if the propriety server of Telegram (and FB and others) are expected to work so. Tomorrow someone will perhaps say, software is expected to have back doors for NSA and so we must implement this because it "is expected to work". No, the stated design is for communication between trusted friends you know in real life and have exchanged phone numbers with. This is like picking up the telephone to make a call and then complaining that it violates your privacy because it reveals the sound of your voice and the ones you call could recognize your voice later. If the software doesn't suit your needs, that's quite all right, and you shouldn't use it. But that certainly doesn't make it malicious. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Telegram, stickers, location and vocal messages
On 07/22/2015 04:56 PM, Michal Karnicki wrote: - Telegram in Ubuntu Core Apps PPA -- desktop version is planned for in a couple months. As a workaround, I would (personally) recommend web.telegram.org <http://web.telegram.org> or Cutegram client Ooh, nice. Thanks for the update. That's a long way away but it's still nice to know it's on the roadmap and where! It's good to know the other features are in progress too. Telegram really is a first-class messaging app on the phone, and I think it'll really explode in popularity once it's on the desktop as well. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] terminal app && process if slided away
On 07/19/2015 03:48 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: I fully understand and the conept is correct. But, I think it must be possible to make intentional exeptions. For example, I run a terminal application to write something, for example mutt+vim, and have to check something with the browser, or a call comes in. I would like to have the mutt+vim session unstopped. They are even on hold while I'm not typing in more chars. Should I file a CR in launchpad? I'm sorry--I answered the question you asked. A CR would probably be useless. They won't change the design. It is possible to change the policy (although then you do have to be careful as all applications are running in the background) but I do not remember the GConf key to do so. You might have some luck searching the archive. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] terminal app && process if slided away
On 07/19/2015 02:20 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: Why are processes stopped when the terminal app is slided away or looses focus, for example on incoming call? And, can this be changed? This is by design. Only the foreground application runs, and only when the screen is on. Background applications are sent the suspend signal, including the foreground application when the screen turns off, so the phone can sleep. This prevents applications from draining the battery and allows the user to never worry about how many apps are open. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] removing scopes
On 07/17/2015 09:15 PM, Marcin GTriderXC.tk wrote: Cool. So ebay and amazon scope has to be preinstalled to obtain priviledges. I bet for the same reason as in Ubuntu desktop where we badly need the amazon plugin to slow our system down. I can understand the photo scope but as some Internet reviews also confirm, ebay and amazon scope are pretty useless and I bet hardly anyone would install them. It's fine to dislike a scope, but on the desktop, the scopes are loaded on-demand and don't affect memory or performance unless being utilized. Since the Amazon scope isn't a default scope, it doesn't actually run unless you manually activate it. In such a scenario, I don't wish to deny other features I find useless. I simply use what benefits me and ignore what doesn't affect me. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] posting images to social media on 15.10
On 07/17/2015 03:38 AM, Roman Zonov wrote: Tried to find 15.10 channel, but didn't find it:( On the Nexus 5, which is not officially supported, Tassadar's servers must be used. He has not updated the build servers since all of the channel names changed. In MultiROM Manager on the Nexus 5, you'll find ubuntu-rtm/14.09 which is equivalent to the ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu (and features the OTAs as they are promoted, so this is 15.04). I believe that ubuntu-rtm/devel-proposed is a daily build of wily. I haven't worked with it in a while but I seem to recall that it wasn't very useful. Please note that wily is guaranteed to be broken more often than not, because it isn't the current development focus and vivid. Vivid is much better tested, but the non-stable channels are where developers land broken software so that they can integrate it and fix bugs so that it is no longer broken. If you're not actively troubleshooting and filing bug reports or writing code and submitting patches, you're probably better off on ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu. At the very least, you should expect to have a non-functional phone a considerable amount of the time when not on the stable channel. It's not suitable for primary phones. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Telegram, stickers, location and vocal messages
On 07/16/2015 12:07 AM, Davide Alberelli wrote: I am becoming sick of the "unsupported" error message... Not even talking about having to use a computer or android to see them! Although speaking of that, I'd sure like to see Telegram pop up in the Ubuntu Core Apps PPA for the desktop. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Software store
On 07/12/2015 03:55 AM, Roman Zonov wrote: Snappy packages? And what will be with Click? And why you are doing this? Click will cease to exist. Snappy packages (or "snaps") are basically Click 2.0, and the transition should be very, very little work. Once phones and tablets are built on Ubuntu Core and the snappy framework, it means one single codebase for everything. There's even plans to offer Ubuntu for the desktop built using Ubuntu Core and snappy. That'll reach a convergence-capable phone first after Ubuntu 15.10, and greatly simplify packaging and publishing Ubuntu applications. The same process will apply to phones, tablets, servers, embedded devices, and consumer desktops. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] 2 New bugs about GPS
On 06/26/2015 12:00 AM, Roman Zonov wrote: At least, you have GPS support!) Nexus 5 doesn't support it. It occasionally takes a few minutes, but GPS works just fine on Nexus 5, unless something changed with OTA-4 that I didn't notice yet. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Bootloop after installing OTA4
On 06/15/2015 11:40 PM, Torsten Sachse wrote: However, ever since then my phone is stuck in a bootloop. Before installing the update, which identified itself as "r23", I noticed that it was only about 230MB in size instead of the 400+MB I expected. While you can definitely use ubuntu-device-flash (you will want to skip the --wipe option), I'll leave detailed instructions to those who have a lot more experience with bq phones than I. I just wanted to say that the update is a delta against your current operating system. So while the entire image is 400+MB, the difference between r22 and r23 is only 230MB. Substantial, as it's replacing half of the existing OS, but a pretty good savings as well. In any case, that's not the cause for concern. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Off-topic: why not top-post?
On 06/15/2015 10:54 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, June 15, 2015 a las 04:24:56PM -0400, Robert Schroll escribió: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: Thanks for the pointer. Does it run in ssh sessions in an xterm or even in a VT102? If not, I can not make use of it. I do use mutt+vim to read and write mails. I was inprecise. I should have said: will it work in an xterm or VT102 on the localhost connected to the mailhost via IMAP, or connected from the xterm/VT102 to a remote host by ssh and running on the remote (mailhost) locally. Having specific usage goals is fun, but there's a wide gulf between "no mail client makes this possible" and "I have severe, artificial restrictions on what I choose to run". And to be as polite as possible, only one of those things is anyone else's problem. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Browser doesn't present system language to websites.
On 06/11/2015 08:12 AM, Olivier Tilloy wrote: Thanks Nathan and Simos for the constructive discussion. It turns out this is a regression in the oxide packages (this used to work), we’re fixing it right now. I caught up with the bug history and am very pleased that this was a regression that will be fixed (rather than a wishlist item that would have taken time to implement). Thank you so much for looking into it! I only wish I'd caught the bug a week earlier, in time for OTA-4. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Browser doesn't present system language to websites.
On 06/11/2015 12:25 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: Have a look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/578455/how-can-i-set-the-user-agent-in-a-webapp which shows two ways to set the User Agent for a webapp. It could be something similar to set the Accept-Language header field. The first version was born specifically because Tutanota claimed to have whitelisted the Ubuntu browser but did not for another week or so. I created the webapp because the website really does provide a premium mobile experience. I hope to build a 'native' Cordova app in the future and was invited by the Tutanota team to send pull requests to the github project. The only way it would be acceptable to set the Accept-Language header field specifically would be if I wanted a separate German webapp in the store. I already had professional localization offered for the German description. Since most users are German, I'd like for their system language settings to be automatically detected and not have 10 identical entries in the Ubuntu App Store. (Which I can't do anyway because it's not possible to set the Accept-Language header from the command line anyway.) Thank you for the LP project name. I'll file a bug as promised. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Browser doesn't present system language to websites.
I created a webapp for the secure email service Tutanota. One nice feature is that it is localized in several different lanaguages and it automatically presents its interface in the user's preferred language. Unfortunately, the Ubuntu browser does not present the Accept-Language header and Tutanota does not offer language as a settings option. I think it would be optimal if the browser uses the system language as the Accept-Language header (and would be awesome if it used the active keyboard layout options to create a list of additional languages), and of course even better if the browser settings page also allowed customization as well. More information on this header is available here: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.4 If someone points me to a Launchpad project, I'll happily file a bug. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] unsubscribe
On 04/06/2015 03:20 PM, Carlos Mansilla wrote: unsubscribe To unsubscribe from this (or most) mailing list, please follow the instructions at the unsubscribe link at the bottom of this (and all) mailing list messages. Thank you for reading the list, and do know that you can always check back in on the list (without subscribing) by viewing the archives at: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Switch (navigate) between scopes
On 04/06/2015 02:59 PM, António M. Rodrigues wrote: Example: If I have 15 scopes active, must I really swipe 15 times to the right to get to the last one? Something like a double tap that would get a small preview list of all scopes available... If you swipe up from the bottom of the screen, you'll see all locally installed scopes, with your favorite scopes at the top of the list. Simply tap on the scope you would like to use. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] second flash sale
On 03/17/2015 02:33 PM, Wayne Ward wrote: hi does anybody know the eta time on the second flash sale of ubuntu phones roughly .. so looking forward to the real thing and the fancy case :) Well, there have been four or five flash sales, so the second one was back in February. But no, the point of a flash sale is that it's announced at the last moment. So following the Ubuntu and BQ Twitter accounts would probably be your best bet. Having worked with the bq Aquaris Ubuntu Edition about a month ago, I have to say, it's quite a nice little phone. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Scopes default store behaviour
On 03/16/2015 03:31 PM, Martin Albisetti wrote: Supporting an app showing up as both an app and a scope at the same time is more invasive and not easily backwards compatible. If the former feels like enough to everyone, I'll add that to our list, give control to the developer on how to present the package type. I think the store should indicate (maybe with icons in the listing) whether a click package provides an app or a scope. For example, Telegram seems to be a perfectly symbiotic pair, but I really would have appreciated knowing that there was a scope beforehand. In addition, there are a large number of completely worthless webapps and there are sure to be an equally dubious number of RSS scopes in the near future. It'd be nice to see when an official app came with a scope so that I could look into curating any standalone unofficial scopes that were locally installed. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Youtube broken again
On 02/26/2015 01:35 PM, Rodney Dawes wrote: I just installed the YouTube web app on my mako, which is running the latest image from the stable channel (14.10 #16), and played one of the videos on the first page that opened up, and it played the video just fine. This is also working fine for me on ubuntu-rtm/14.09 r16 on hammerhead. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Nexus 4 with Android 5: still possible to dual-boot Ubuntu Touch?
On 12/20/2014 12:33 AM, Niklas Wenzel wrote: I agree. MultiROM is a great solution for dualbooting. There's even the MultiROM Manager app on Google Play which allows you to install both MultiROM and Ubuntu on your phone. I'd suggest you give it a try. ;) Not only that, you can also install different versions of Ubuntu. So for example you can use ubuntu-rtm/stable for your main Ubuntu experience, but you can install vivid for a couple days to test something without losing your main install. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Nexus 4 with Android 5: still possible to dual-boot Ubuntu Touch?
On 12/20/2014 12:00 AM, Cláudio Sampaio wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Niklas Wenzel mailto:nikwen.develo...@gmail.com>> wrote: Have you tried MultiROM? No. Should I? Yes. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ownCloud app.
On 11/17/2014 10:11 AM, David Barth wrote: It covers Apps & Scopes, as well as account providers. Please keep mpt's remark in mind before you consider adding a new account provider to the system. I wasn't at the workshop. What was mpt's remark? Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ANNOUNCEMENT: Vivid and ubuntu-rtm landing procedures
On 10/26/2014 08:55 PM, Robert Schroll wrote: Without any of these, we app authors have to (a) target a framework old enough to be on the oldest desktop we're interested (likely a LTS, and do you really want people using Ubuntu.Components 0.1 until 2016?) 2009. I do think that eventually the click store is going to either adapt to offering different versions of click packages for various frameworks or be an unprecedented failure. Although with the state of SDK apps on the desktop at the moment, I suspect that they probably do have until the Unity 8 desktop transition to fix this. But at that point there'd better be a really, really robust solution. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the default app and scope story?
On 10/20/2014 02:04 AM, Niklas Wenzel wrote: Hi, This is a bug and it appears on r5 on mako as well. Here's a workaround I found: Open the "Manage Scopes" view and search for "7digital" (or the name of any other scope). The 7digital scope will be presented to you as a search result. Open it once and the scopes overview works again. Thank you. I rebooted into 14.09-proposed and found all scopes visible again, so I've reflected this in the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1383208 Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-phone] What's the default app and scope story?
Hello all, With ubuntu-rtm/14.09 r5 not running on hammerhead, I deleted it and reverted to r4, and I just took a look at ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed r100. Let's get one thing straight right away. The expanded panel design is stunning. It was a very, very nice surprise. That said, I'm confused. Sometimes I get a wide variety of scopes. Other times, I get a bare minimum of dash, store, music, video, and nothing else. Although I had quite a lot of scopes on r4 before (my favorite is the Weather Channel scope, which I put just to the right of the Dash), it's not in the r4 fresh install and it's not in r100 either. And of course, it's not in the app store either. This made for a less than stunning progress demonstration at the last LUG meeting I attended, two days ago, and it also makes me wonder just how the retail phones will ship. So I'm wondering. What can we expect from a default experience? If I'm not seeing the expected results, I'd be happy to file a bug report. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 17.10.14
On 10/17/2014 08:41 PM, Sayantan Das wrote: Confirming issues in Nexus 5. Stuck at ubuntu logo. And this affects me using MultiROM Manager both from a r4 to r5 upgrade as well as a fresh r5 install. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-phone] phablet-demo-setup no longer functions
Hello all, I noticed that phablet-demo-setup relies on running adbd as root which isn't working on the current images anymore. Populating a phone with demo content is a pretty nice feature and with the retail release nearing and conferences coming up it'd be nice to get this working again. I filed a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1373779 Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Netflix?
On 09/23/2014 01:06 AM, Christian Dywan wrote: On 23.09.2014 04:04, Nathan Haines wrote: It means nothing of the sort. It means the story on Ubuntu is the same as it is on every platform: Netflix locks down its service and support is contingent on them releasing an app for a specific platform. Possibly stupid question: what would stop anyone from providing an alternative implementation that's open source? Patents in the DRM? It's probably more trouble than it's worth now that it's working on the browser on the desktop. It's also probably against the DMCA. Plus Netflix would probably immediately block it and sue the developers because if they didn't all of their content providers would pull their contracts and Netflix would cease to exist. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Netflix?
On 09/22/2014 06:21 PM, John Nelson wrote: If that means (as it appears) that Netflix won't be available on Ubuntu phones or tablets, that's unfortunate. It means nothing of the sort. It means the story on Ubuntu is the same as it is on every platform: Netflix locks down its service and support is contingent on them releasing an app for a specific platform. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ownCloud app.
On 08/20/2014 01:06 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: That's an example of why apps shouldn't be able to add account types to Online Accounts at all. Which then raises the question: on what basis are account types allowed in Online Accounts? Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Core Apps update
On 08/11/2014 01:58 PM, Alan Pope wrote: == Terminal == * For a bit of fun we will be getting an optional old school mode, contributed by developer of cool-old-term. Here's an early example screenshot http://i.imgur.com/Ntu399y.png I've played with this a bit on the desktop and it's *really* fun, if a little too flickery in the default settings. :) Since it's using Terminus anyway, I might submit a patch for it to use Ubuntu Mono instead. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] USB Tethering now available with image 181
On 08/11/2014 03:01 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote: perhaps a specific USB mode section makes sense ... but yeah, let design come up with something :) The *obvious* answer is to implement every UI interface we can think of, and then just remove the ones we like the least until only one's left. ;) Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan with docking a phone to a tablet?
On 08/03/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Smith wrote: I didn't realise portable USB-powered touchscreens existed, they look fab. Definitely the way to go once Mir supports dual screen. They do, but the ones demonstrated are almost certainly HDMI. The phone supports a sort of mini HDMI connector called MTR if I'm not mistaken. I haven't gotten around to buying an adapter yet. Obviously, the video you saw was just a mockup. But they have shown Ubuntu for Android and it worked beautifully. The only reason that never came out is that it has to be tailored for each individual phone model and OEMs didn't bite. What a shame. I think I'll go for a Nexus 10 so I can have a play with Ubuntu on it then go back to Android for day to day use for now :). Thanks for the advice! Hopefully you can use MultiROM Manager or otherwise dual boot. Being able to jump back and forth and enjoy both operating systems is definitely convenient and fun! Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan with docking a phone to a tablet?
Portable monitors exist today, but Ubuntu itself doesn't yet have that kind of software support yet for dual monitors. It's a future goal for Mir that will enable the kind of automatic adjustment. You can already see this in the way Unity 8 and Ubuntu SDK apps adapt on the desktop when you resize the UI window. It will come fairly quickly but these things are best developed one step at a time. The video is the final goal, but with Ubuntu you are able to watch the process step by step as each component is polished to provide a stable, reliable user experience while providing the engineering foundation for the next block to appear. It's fun to watch but sometimes a lot of pieces have to land before the bigger picture starts to appear. It's no use to have Mir and Unity 8 power a desktop experience while Unity 7 is robust and the phone and tablet aren't polished yet, for example. I'm confident just from the last 18 months of refinement that the finished puzzle will be brilliant. If you want a decent tablet experience you are better off buying one with the OS you prefer preinstalled. I would definitely not buy any Android phone or tablet with the intention of using it for Ubuntu. If you want Ubuntu, I recommend buying an Ubuntu device. None are currently for sale but several should be available toward the end of this year. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ On Aug 3, 2014 5:00 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > Hi both, thanks for filling me in. I've found the video I saw, watch from > 5:00 to 5:20: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGJXGJ6Q0Ys > > Nathan, from what you say, would I be right in understanding that the > scenario imagined in the video is a dumb touchscreen rather than a tablet, > then - one which doesn't exist yet and isn't going to exist until well into > 2015 at the absolute earliest? > > So in summary, if I want a decent-sized tablet to use in the meantime, I'm > best off getting a Nexus 10 and either using it with Android or with Ubuntu > Touch Developer - yes? > > Thanks! > Steve > > > On 30 July 2014 22:30, Benjamin Tegge wrote: >> >> I think there is a misconception here. To my knowledge, pairing two >> hosts like you described has never been directly mentioned before. >> >> Also "docking" may be a misleading term, as it suggests that a dock or >> cradle and special connectors are required. >> >> "Convergence" or converged desktop experience is what has been shown in >> videos last year on the Nexus 4 [1][2]. Convergence gives you a full >> desktop experience when you connect standard peripheral hardware >> (monitor, keyboard, mouse) to your phone. Victor Palau is using a >> portable monitor in his video. While portable monitors and tablets may >> look similar, tablets usually have no video input functionality. >> >> >> Regards, >> Benjamin >> >> 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk9-v8Sl4yU "Ubuntu Edge: convergence >> in action (Victor Palau)" >> 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNhlVn3ETQ "Ubuntu Edge: the software >> story (Leann Ogasawara)" >> >> Am Mittwoch, den 30.07.2014, 14:02 +0100 schrieb Steve Smith: >> > Hi all, I'm a long-time Ubuntu user and really excited to have an >> > Ubuntu phone in my hand by the end of the year. From what I've seen, >> > you're doing an awesome job! >> > >> > >> > I've seen mention of docking a phone to a tablet (possibly on a video >> > with Mark?). I'm guessing that it won't be something available in the >> > first public release, but when you get to it how to you anticipate it >> > working? Would it be an actual tablet also running Ubuntu, that is >> > just synced to the storage on the phone? Or would it be a special >> > dumb touchscreen (rather than an actual tablet) that the phone just >> > plugs into and the software continues to run on the phone itself - >> > much like docking with an external monitor? >> > >> > >> > The reason I ask is I'm looking into buying an Android tablet and >> > would like to future-proof myself for when docking becomes possible. >> > >> > >> > Thanks! >> > Steve >> >> > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 29.07.14
On 07/30/2014 05:38 AM, Alejandro J. Cura wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Selene Scriven wrote: - "Departments" is an awkward way to say "Categories" in the app scope. Perhaps this is a case of British vs. American usage? I've seen "Department" in every design, and even reading the dictionary definition of "department" it still makes sense to this non-native: "a section of a retail store selling a particular class or kind of goods, ie, the sportswear department." Just as a usage note, this is perfectly identical in American English. But the Ubuntu desktop already uses the term 'category' and "department" feels much more suited to a physical store. (Specifically a department store.) So that may help explain why it feels a little out of place. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] What's the plan with docking a phone to a tablet?
On 07/30/2014 06:02 AM, Steve Smith wrote: Would it be an actual tablet also running Ubuntu, that is just synced to the storage on the phone? Or would it be a special dumb touchscreen (rather than an actual tablet) that the phone just plugs into and the software continues to run on the phone itself - much like docking with an external monitor? The second scenario is right. The way it works is that the phone is running Ubuntu and the UI is provided by Unity 8. Right now, the Ubuntu desktop runs Unity 7, but in the future (probably Ubuntu 15.04 or 15.10), Unity 8 will also provide the desktop interface. So Unity 8 will be able to adapt to phone, tablet, and desktop form factors, and once you add an external monitor and keyboard and mouse to your phone, Unity 8 will switch to a desktop-style display. Everything will still run off of the phone (or tablet) and you will simply see a full desktop UI, and will still be able to run phone apps in a windowed environment. This is already working to an extent: I use Ubuntu's mobile weather app on my desktop computer. There's nothing special about that--both run actual Ubuntu and the same app runs on my phone and on my desktop computer. So in this way you can always carry your computer around in your pocket. :) I wouldn't buy an Android tablet just for this, though. I'd wait for an Ubuntu tablet and I might worry that the first generation might not prove powerful enough to do this in two years (Ubuntu 16.04 LTS should have convergence fully integrated, but 15.10 may only have a developer preview). So if you're set on buying an Android tablet, either buy a Nexus tablet or buy an Android tablet you're happy to use as is. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] User password heads up, RFC
On 07/25/2014 07:40 AM, Michael Terry wrote: OK, this change landed! Next image will have a blank password for the phablet user, though you can use 'passwd' to set a new one if you like. Note that sudo should still work with a blank password. Now the exciting question is: Does the existing phablet user password change during an upgrade if the user has never modified it from the default? Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Community participation
On 07/17/2014 05:02 AM, Oliver Propst wrote: Sure, but I think if they really want expand and create the a similar atmosphere around it as the desktop operating system they should try to work closer with the the community. They can't work more closely with the community, really. It's already the same as the desktop operating system, simply with a different shell and display manager. Everything's open source and publicly available. The fact is, porting to new ARM architectures is extremely hard work and no one's interested. The only port I know of that's working is the Nexus 5, and even that's been broken the last couple of weeks. And that's probably only working because it's mostly the same as the Nexus 7. Pretty much every other port I've seen gets to a point where it displays graphics and is then unceremoniously abandoned. I'd like to think that once there's an RTM image that some serious ports will pop up, but until then it's just Nexus 4, Nexus 7, and Nexus 10 by Canonical, and bq and Meizu are doing their own ports to their own hardware. This is identical to how Android works, if I'm not mistaken--each OEM does the port themself. Anyone who's interested in software development in the meantime can write and test apps on their desktop and then do further testing on the emulator. This is identical to device testing and has been around for a year and a half. The only thing I think is severely deficient is any indication whatsoever of what the design team is doing, but even then there's no time for bikeshed arguments. What exactly do you think it is that is lacking? Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Are the web-container API changed?
On 07/07/2014 04:10 PM, Alexandre Abreu wrote: I gave your webapp a try, and there is a typo in the nintendo-miiverse.json file, remove the last "," after the "webview" line ... and it works, this is a know bug in the qtc template that should now be fixed & released, Thanks, that was very helpful. The change has been tested and uploaded to the click store. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Are the web-container API changed?
On 07/07/2014 08:02 AM, Olivier Tilloy wrote: (cc’ing again the list, as this information might be useful to others) Thanks--apparently my phone didn't send to the list. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Nathan Haines mailto:nhai...@ubuntu.com>> wrote: Oh, I assumed that the core dump was from the command line execution, but it was the easiest way for me to get the error messages. In any case, the app refuses to run at all when installed as a click app. Can you share the code to your app, so someone else can try it out and advise? Code is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~nhaines/+junk/nintendo-miiverse I suppose I'm curious as to why webapp-container is lying about recognizing the options. It’s not lying about the recognized options, as I said the error message is misleading and can be safely ignored. Well, it says it doesn't recognize the options. This leads me to believe that it doesn't recognize the options. You say this error message is misleading. That seems to imply that it does recognize the options. If it does recognize the options but says that it doesn't, then webapp-container is lying. This is very concerning and should be addressed (and I am happy to file the bug report myself). If it doesn't recognize the options then there's a very, very serious error with the SDK documentation. I can file a bug report on that, too, if that is the case. Either way, it seems that the behavior has changed between trusty and utopic, and if that wasn't intended then that's a bug (and I'd be happy to file that one as well). For now, I'll be happy to figure out what's going on so that I know which are valid bugs and which aren't. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Are the web-container API changed?
On 07/07/2014 06:17 AM, Alexandre Abreu wrote: Hi, nothing changed in this area, which UbuntuTouch image are you using? I get the exact same error on r113. phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://miiverse.nintendo.net/* https://miiverse.nintendo.net/ webapp-container: unrecognized option '--enable-back-forward' webapp-container: unrecognized option '--webappUrlPatterns=https?://miiverse.nintendo.net/*' QUbuntu: Could not create application instance Aborted (core dumped) On my desktop running 14.04 LTS, oxide launches and displays the page. Regards, Nathan -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
