Re: Removed Feature Impact Quality of Ubuntu

2010-05-20 Thread Michael Haney
I've decided to give Ubuntu another chance.  I love the distro,
nothing else compares, and using something else just felt like i'd
taken a trip back in time 10 years.  My experience with both Mandriva
2010 and MEPIS Linux has shown me just how far Ubuntu has come, how
more ahead of the curve Ubuntu is.  The Monitor Detection issue is a
serious problem and does need addressing.  I'm going to join the Gnome
list and see what I can do about getting something done towards fixing
it.  Its an issue which should have been corrected long ago.  Perhaps
I can get someone to make a better randr frontend that can be used to
change your monitor hardware settings.  I have no programming
expertise at all.  I'm going to be learning Java.  The last time I
programmed was in ANSI-C on an old Unix minicomputer 15 years ago, and
I've dabbled a little in Perl.  I don't know anything about Mono,
Python or Qt.

Thank you all.  I'll give G. Bowman's X.org suggestion a try.

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Re: Removed Feature Impact Quality of Ubuntu

2010-05-20 Thread Grant Bowman
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Grant Bowman  wrote:
>> Regarding failed monitor auto-detection, one procedure I have used
>> successfully is described by going to www.x.org, clicking FAQ then
>> ConfigurationHelp.  Here is a direct link.
>> http://www.x.org/wiki/ConfigurationHelp  This procedure uses the
>> current auto-detection code to write a fresh xorg.conf file which you
>> can carefully edit with your changes from previous versions.  These
>> files in my experience are well commented.  With some additional
>> research each change you require can be added in whatever new syntax
>> might be required for the particular version of "X" you are running.
>> Using an xorg.conf file from an older version of X may have
>> unpredictable results.  It sounds like this has stopped working for
>> you.
>
> Do you know whether X has any way of hardcoding  (into Xorg, I mean)
> information about monitors that provide incorrect information?  I'm
> thinking of like how in ALSA there are quirk tables.

Hi Mackenzie,

I don't know how the code for auto-detection of monitors works but I
have used the above linked procedure (also described in the X wiki
pages) to work around it.  As I perform some more searches I see quite
a few items on brainstorm.ubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.org with
problems auto-detecting monitors.  Another complication I came across
just this week when I installed 10.04 on a laptop was that it required
the use of binary drivers for the video card and wifi adapater to
allow suspend and resume to work.  In fact
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/MonitorDetection says "Monitor detection is
one of Ubuntu/Xorg's most major problems."  My experience sponsoring
several school computer labs in San Francisco using donated hardware
seems to support this claim.  X/MonitorDetection gives a great
description of the problem from the x.org perspective with some
insight into why the problem exists.  Unfortunately that page was
written in 2007 and has not been updated.

Thank you for the link to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
you provided earlier in this thread.  The X wiki pages have some great
information.  To answer your question I suspect it would best be asked
on IRC or the Ubuntu X mail list linked from the ~ubuntu-x-swat
launchpad team page.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-x

Regards,

Grant Bowman
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam

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Re: hello new eeepc901 tester

2010-05-20 Thread Martin Briscoe
Hi

I have been running ubuntus on my 901 for 18 months.

I usually download and run the alphas and betas so I am happy to
provide feedback if thats useful.

My main current problem with lucid is high power consumption, so the
cpus are unable to drop down from 1.6G to 800M in
powersave. this wasnt the case with 9.10 but I'm not sure when this
problem crept in I think it was quite late.

powertop reports lots more wake ups than usual (500/s). Its bad with
std ubuntu & better but
not perfect with the remix. I am also running unity which looks to have
lots of potential. but I'd like to try autohiding the panels

I'm happy to help test but I'm not terribly technical.

I'm also interested in boot times and have an editable spreadsheet at:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aib-MC2xtkLhcFRBaGJ1Q3o4WUJSSHNvUzdQNFM2T3c&hl=en_GB

One challenge I see for ubuntu is
a. It wants to be a respected stable household distro (for that it
needs to be error free and robust)
but
b. It also seems to want to be an adventurous, leading edge,
experimental and pioneering distro.

These two aims are hard to bring together. (I prefer the latter, as i
guess do most of the people on this list?)

cimh
901
ubuntu lucid, lubuntu 10.04, puppeee

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Re: log-in to ubuntu iso test track

2010-05-20 Thread Steve Beattie
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 03:09:52PM +0200, alessandro wrote:
> l 19/05/2010 23:15, Steve Beattie ha scritto:
> If you're still having issues, perhaps you can send me your login id
> offlist and I can reset your password; I looked briefly through the
> admin interface for your account but could not find it.
> 
> I have already created an accont to iso tracker but I have no e-mail 
> password

Just so we don't have conflicting password resets going on, I've
responded to alessandro off list.

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Ubuntu QA Team Meeting Minutes - 19 May 2010

2010-05-20 Thread Marjo Mercado
Ubuntu QA Team Meeting Minutes
19 May 2010
Agenda:
* SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
* Bug Day status -- pvillavi
* QA meetings reorg - ara
* Next Chairperson is ara

Chair: Marjo Mercado

 == SRU Testing (sbeattie)
 SRU Activity report for the past 2 weeks (since 2010-05-05):
 * lucid: 44 new packages in -proposed
  and 61 packages pushed to -updates
 * karmic: 5 new packages in -proposed (gdm, landscape-client,
libatasmart, pastebinit, update-manager)
   and 5 packages pushed to -updates (bansheelyricsplugin,
boost1.38, etoys, gdm, landscape-client)
 * jaunty: 2 new packages in -proposed (landscape-client, pastebinit)
   and 2 packages pushed to -updates (etoys, landscape-client)
 * hardy: 1 package pushed to -updates (nfs-utils)
 * dapper: no SRU activity

Thanks to the following folks for doing the SRU testing this week:
ionospheric, Paul Elliott (omahn), Mario Limonciello (superm1), fx5,
Hideki Sakurada, Ville Ranki (cos^), Henning Moll, Marco De Paolini,
Guenter Roeck, arand, Benjamin Kay (benkay86), Martin Božič, leighman,
Plafuro, tankdriver, Ron S, Irihapeti, neutrinux, Roel van Os, Paul
Elliott (omahn), Thorsten Reinbold, Dmitry Shachnev, Frank Groeneveld,
Jonathan Carter (highvoltage), Ken Weill P. Lumacad, Daniel Richard G.,
Pekka Hämäläinen, daniele80, Moritz Kobel, Paolo4500, Scott Howard
(showard), besson3c, Herco van Brug, Stephen Day, Simon Steinbeiß
(ochosi), johnny b, WiNeOS, Fabio Marconi (njin), Imre Gergely (cemc),
Chris Guirl, hhfischer, Jussi Kekkonen, Daniel Che, jamboarder and
others

 * SRUs for lucid are still going strong

 == Bug Day plans - pvillavi ==
 * We're having a bug day based on Update Manager
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100520
  
 == QA meetings reorg - ara ==
 * We talked at UDS about improving meetings
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/ImprovingCommunication
 * A few people find it difficult to attend this meeting time, so we are
planning to rotate the meeting times, to see if it helps.
 * Every other week, the meeting will be at 17:00 UTC, but the other
meeting time is up to you. Paolo has set up a poll to see which time is
best for the team. Please vote at 
 http://doodle.com/qskx79utvgaa9ubv
 * There will be meeting reminders sent to the mailing list a couple of
days ahead and asking for topics to cover

 == Select the chair for the next meeting (Chair) ==
 * Ara Pulido (ara)
 
 == Actions ==
 * No new action items assigned.
 
 == Modify the meeting page for the next meeting agenda (Ara) ==
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Re: Removed Feature Impact Quality of Ubuntu

2010-05-20 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Grant Bowman  wrote:
> Regarding failed monitor auto-detection, one procedure I have used
> successfully is described by going to www.x.org, clicking FAQ then
> ConfigurationHelp.  Here is a direct link.
> http://www.x.org/wiki/ConfigurationHelp  This procedure uses the
> current auto-detection code to write a fresh xorg.conf file which you
> can carefully edit with your changes from previous versions.  These
> files in my experience are well commented.  With some additional
> research each change you require can be added in whatever new syntax
> might be required for the particular version of "X" you are running.
> Using an xorg.conf file from an older version of X may have
> unpredictable results.  It sounds like this has stopped working for
> you.

Do you know whether X has any way of hardcoding  (into Xorg, I mean)
information about monitors that provide incorrect information?  I'm
thinking of like how in ALSA there are quirk tables.

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log-in to ubuntu iso test track

2010-05-20 Thread alessandro
l 19/05/2010 23:15, Steve Beattie ha scritto:
If you're still having issues, perhaps you can send me your login id
offlist and I can reset your password; I looked briefly through the
admin interface for your account but could not find it.

I have already created an accont to iso tracker but I have no e-mail 
password


my profile:
user: alo 22
password : i don't know because i have not receive an e-mail

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