Re: ARM - daily install to SDCARD

[C de-Avillez]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:36:29 +0100
Elfy  wrote:

> Trying to install to sdcard - it sees the free space - allows me to 
> create partition/s as required.
> 
> Then the install fails after trying to unmount /cdrom
> 
> As far as mount is concerned the image is mounted on /cdrom
> 
> Not sure how to proceed with this.
> 
> Created this bug 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036742
> 
> But I'm pretty sure I've seen this trying to install with usb medium
> and alternate cd
> 
> Elfy
> 

Hi Elfy,

Unfortunately there is no hard data on the bug to allow me to say
anything:
 * we do not have any of the logs for the install (syslog, partman,
   Ubiquity debug;
 * we do not know what Ubuntu version you were trying;
 * we do not know the Ubiquity version.

You could try to run 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' on the failing ARM install,
and open a bug with the results; alternatively, you can repeat the
install, and run 'apport-collect 1036742', which would collect this
basic info.

Cheers,

..C..


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Re: missing mouse

[Phill Whiteside]

I have it if I do a reboot on a VM before I release the mouse. My advice is
to release the mouse before you reboot a VM.

Regards,

Phill.

On 14 August 2012 23:37, istimsak abdulbasir  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Jackson Doak wrote:
>
>> when i'm running iso tests in qemu the mouse randomly
>> will disappear permanantly, this doesn't always happen but is
>> really annoying. Is this a bug with qemu or ubuntu?
>>
>> jackson
>>
>>
> I use virtualbox to test ISOs. Sometimes, virtualbox fails to capture the
> mouse when the system is idle. Then the system freezes. Perhaps there is
> too much strain on the host's CPU. When running a VM guest, make sure it is
> the only thing running.
>
> Istimsak Abdulbasir
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Re: missing mouse

[istimsak abdulbasir]

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Jackson Doak wrote:

> when i'm running iso tests in qemu the mouse randomly
> will disappear permanantly, this doesn't always happen but is
> really annoying. Is this a bug with qemu or ubuntu?
>
> jackson
>
>
I use virtualbox to test ISOs. Sometimes, virtualbox fails to capture the
mouse when the system is idle. Then the system freezes. Perhaps there is
too much strain on the host's CPU. When running a VM guest, make sure it is
the only thing running.

Istimsak Abdulbasir

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ARM - daily install to SDCARD

[Elfy]

Trying to install to sdcard - it sees the free space - allows me to 
create partition/s as required.


Then the install fails after trying to unmount /cdrom

As far as mount is concerned the image is mounted on /cdrom

Not sure how to proceed with this.

Created this bug 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1036742


But I'm pretty sure I've seen this trying to install with usb medium and 
alternate cd


Elfy

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Broken Unity

[Nicholas Skaggs]

I broke unity last night -- heh.. There's a new version of unity coming 
this week, and there will be testcases for us to test. I'll be 
announcing a call for testing when it comes.. So head's up.


However, it seems keeping the webapps ppa around is causing some broken 
packages during this transition period. Just a heads up to anyone. You 
can use ppa purge to remove the webapps ppa if you run into upgrade 
issues like myself.


sudo ppa-purge ppa:webapps/preview

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Re: missing mouse

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Jackson, not sure anyone answered you here :-) I've not tested using 
qemu this cycle; perhaps someone else can ring in here. My guess however 
is that there is something going on with qemu, and not in ubuntu. I've 
not seen any reports of a missing mouse before.


Nicholas

On 08/14/2012 04:41 AM, Jackson Doak wrote:
when i'm running iso tests in qemu the mouse randomly 
will disappear permanantly, this doesn't always happen but is 
really annoying. Is this a bug with qemu or ubuntu?


jackson




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Re: Questions about testing

[Ho Wan Chan]

You don't normally use Windows alongside Ubuntu Wubi in VMs, also then the
bootloader is better.

2012/8/14 Tobias 

>  but wubi testing is preferred on real hardware, right??
>
>
>
>
> Am 14.08.2012 12:06, schrieb Gema Gomez:
>
> On 14/08/12 11:04, Ho Wan Chan wrote:
>
>
>  Mart,
>
> Use Gema's opinion: She's an official Canonical employee, while I am
> only a active community tester...
>
>  Hey, everyone's opinion count and is welcome!
>
> More than a canonical employee I am a QA Engineer, I have been for many
> years now, so I tried to give an explanation for a new comer from that
> viewpoint, I hope everyone can benefit from it and I am open to
> discussion if you guys think it may help.
>
> Thanks everyone for your help,
> Gema
>
>
>  2012/8/14 Gema Gomez 
> mailto:gema.gomez-sol...@canonical.com> 
> >
>
> Hi Mart,
>
> I disagree with Ho Wan Chan, here is my opinion.
>
> On 14/08/12 10:13, "Mart Küng" wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine
> when testing.
> > Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
> > machine and installing on real hardware?
>
> On virtual machines you are testing some parts of Ubuntu. On real
> hardware you are testing others, in fact, depending on which hardware
> you have, you are increasing our chances of finding problems for your
> specific HW, because we don't have infinite HW to test on. Basically,
> when you test on HW you are using drivers that noone else is potentially
> using.
>
> In the Platform QA Team in Canonical, we are testing with VMs for the
> daily ISO testing, and we test on a variety of HW the different kernel
> SRUs, so that we are reasonably confident that they will work on a wide
> variety of HW.
>
> Testing on HW is different from testing on VMs, both useful depending on
> what you are trying to achieve, since with ISO testing we are trying to
> cover as much HW as we can, testing on HW will be more useful from that
> viewpoint.
>
> >
> > Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my
> regular
> > everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I
> could
> > easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
> > virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.
>
> You can dual boot your everyday system, but there are risks that an
> installation goes wrong and you blow up your current system. That is the
> reason why we don't recommend it. If you are confident you know your
> system and that won't happen to you, I still recommend you have backups
> of all the important documents before attempting the testing along your
> existing system. Other than that, it is very useful that you install the
> current version along an existing one, because many users will be doing
> just that, and we want them to be able to do it.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Gema
>
> >
> > Mart
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Questions about testing

[Tobias]

but wubi testing is preferred on real hardware, right??




Am 14.08.2012 12:06, schrieb Gema Gomez:

On 14/08/12 11:04, Ho Wan Chan wrote:



Mart,
  
Use Gema's opinion: She's an official Canonical employee, while I am

only a active community tester...

Hey, everyone's opinion count and is welcome!

More than a canonical employee I am a QA Engineer, I have been for many
years now, so I tried to give an explanation for a new comer from that
viewpoint, I hope everyone can benefit from it and I am open to
discussion if you guys think it may help.

Thanks everyone for your help,
Gema


2012/8/14 Gema Gomez mailto:gema.gomez-sol...@canonical.com>>

 Hi Mart,

 I disagree with Ho Wan Chan, here is my opinion.

 On 14/08/12 10:13, "Mart Küng" wrote:
 > Hi
 >
 > I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine
 when testing.
 > Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
 > machine and installing on real hardware?

 On virtual machines you are testing some parts of Ubuntu. On real
 hardware you are testing others, in fact, depending on which hardware
 you have, you are increasing our chances of finding problems for your
 specific HW, because we don't have infinite HW to test on. Basically,
 when you test on HW you are using drivers that noone else is potentially
 using.

 In the Platform QA Team in Canonical, we are testing with VMs for the
 daily ISO testing, and we test on a variety of HW the different kernel
 SRUs, so that we are reasonably confident that they will work on a wide
 variety of HW.

 Testing on HW is different from testing on VMs, both useful depending on
 what you are trying to achieve, since with ISO testing we are trying to
 cover as much HW as we can, testing on HW will be more useful from that
 viewpoint.

 >
 > Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my
 regular
 > everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I
 could
 > easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
 > virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.

 You can dual boot your everyday system, but there are risks that an
 installation goes wrong and you blow up your current system. That is the
 reason why we don't recommend it. If you are confident you know your
 system and that won't happen to you, I still recommend you have backups
 of all the important documents before attempting the testing along your
 existing system. Other than that, it is very useful that you install the
 current version along an existing one, because many users will be doing
 just that, and we want them to be able to do it.


 Thanks,
 Gema

 >
 > Mart
 >
 >


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Re: Questions about testing

[Gema Gomez]

On 14/08/12 11:04, Ho Wan Chan wrote:
> Mart,
>  
> Use Gema's opinion: She's an official Canonical employee, while I am
> only a active community tester...

Hey, everyone's opinion count and is welcome!

More than a canonical employee I am a QA Engineer, I have been for many
years now, so I tried to give an explanation for a new comer from that
viewpoint, I hope everyone can benefit from it and I am open to
discussion if you guys think it may help.

Thanks everyone for your help,
Gema

> 2012/8/14 Gema Gomez  >
> 
> Hi Mart,
> 
> I disagree with Ho Wan Chan, here is my opinion.
> 
> On 14/08/12 10:13, "Mart Küng" wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine
> when testing.
> > Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
> > machine and installing on real hardware?
> 
> On virtual machines you are testing some parts of Ubuntu. On real
> hardware you are testing others, in fact, depending on which hardware
> you have, you are increasing our chances of finding problems for your
> specific HW, because we don't have infinite HW to test on. Basically,
> when you test on HW you are using drivers that noone else is potentially
> using.
> 
> In the Platform QA Team in Canonical, we are testing with VMs for the
> daily ISO testing, and we test on a variety of HW the different kernel
> SRUs, so that we are reasonably confident that they will work on a wide
> variety of HW.
> 
> Testing on HW is different from testing on VMs, both useful depending on
> what you are trying to achieve, since with ISO testing we are trying to
> cover as much HW as we can, testing on HW will be more useful from that
> viewpoint.
> 
> >
> > Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my
> regular
> > everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I
> could
> > easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
> > virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.
> 
> You can dual boot your everyday system, but there are risks that an
> installation goes wrong and you blow up your current system. That is the
> reason why we don't recommend it. If you are confident you know your
> system and that won't happen to you, I still recommend you have backups
> of all the important documents before attempting the testing along your
> existing system. Other than that, it is very useful that you install the
> current version along an existing one, because many users will be doing
> just that, and we want them to be able to do it.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Gema
> 
> >
> > Mart
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: Questions about testing

[Ho Wan Chan]

Mart,

Use Gema's opinion: She's an official Canonical employee, while I am only a
active community tester...

2012/8/14 Gema Gomez 

> Hi Mart,
>
> I disagree with Ho Wan Chan, here is my opinion.
>
> On 14/08/12 10:13, "Mart Küng" wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine when
> testing.
> > Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
> > machine and installing on real hardware?
>
> On virtual machines you are testing some parts of Ubuntu. On real
> hardware you are testing others, in fact, depending on which hardware
> you have, you are increasing our chances of finding problems for your
> specific HW, because we don't have infinite HW to test on. Basically,
> when you test on HW you are using drivers that noone else is potentially
> using.
>
> In the Platform QA Team in Canonical, we are testing with VMs for the
> daily ISO testing, and we test on a variety of HW the different kernel
> SRUs, so that we are reasonably confident that they will work on a wide
> variety of HW.
>
> Testing on HW is different from testing on VMs, both useful depending on
> what you are trying to achieve, since with ISO testing we are trying to
> cover as much HW as we can, testing on HW will be more useful from that
> viewpoint.
>
> >
> > Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my regular
> > everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I could
> > easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
> > virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.
>
> You can dual boot your everyday system, but there are risks that an
> installation goes wrong and you blow up your current system. That is the
> reason why we don't recommend it. If you are confident you know your
> system and that won't happen to you, I still recommend you have backups
> of all the important documents before attempting the testing along your
> existing system. Other than that, it is very useful that you install the
> current version along an existing one, because many users will be doing
> just that, and we want them to be able to do it.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Gema
>
> >
> > Mart
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Questions about testing

[Gema Gomez]

Hi Mart,

I disagree with Ho Wan Chan, here is my opinion.

On 14/08/12 10:13, "Mart Küng" wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine when testing.
> Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
> machine and installing on real hardware?

On virtual machines you are testing some parts of Ubuntu. On real
hardware you are testing others, in fact, depending on which hardware
you have, you are increasing our chances of finding problems for your
specific HW, because we don't have infinite HW to test on. Basically,
when you test on HW you are using drivers that noone else is potentially
using.

In the Platform QA Team in Canonical, we are testing with VMs for the
daily ISO testing, and we test on a variety of HW the different kernel
SRUs, so that we are reasonably confident that they will work on a wide
variety of HW.

Testing on HW is different from testing on VMs, both useful depending on
what you are trying to achieve, since with ISO testing we are trying to
cover as much HW as we can, testing on HW will be more useful from that
viewpoint.

> 
> Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my regular
> everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I could
> easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
> virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.

You can dual boot your everyday system, but there are risks that an
installation goes wrong and you blow up your current system. That is the
reason why we don't recommend it. If you are confident you know your
system and that won't happen to you, I still recommend you have backups
of all the important documents before attempting the testing along your
existing system. Other than that, it is very useful that you install the
current version along an existing one, because many users will be doing
just that, and we want them to be able to do it.


Thanks,
Gema

> 
> Mart
> 
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Re: Questions about testing

[Ho Wan Chan]

Mart:

Of course there IS a difference. Testing in real hardware gives you much
better performance. But then, try not to dual-boot. Instead, use TestDrive
or Oracle VM virtualbox in your regular Ubuntu system.

2012/8/14 "Mart Küng" 

> Hi
>
> I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine when
> testing.
> Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
> machine and installing on real hardware?
>
> Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my regular
> everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I could
> easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
> virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.
>
> Mart
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Questions about testing

[Mart Küng]

Hi

I have a couple of questions about how to configure my machine when testing.
Is there a significant difference if any between testing in virtual
machine and installing on real hardware?

Would it be reasonable to dual boot version I'm testing with my regular
everyday system? I ask this because of my netbook: on my desktop I could
easily use virtual machine or change HDD-s. But netbook is to weak for
virtual machine and changing HDD seams to troublesome.

Mart


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missing mouse

[Jackson Doak]

when i'm running iso tests in qemu the mouse randomly
will disappear permanantly, this doesn't always happen but is
really annoying. Is this a bug with qemu or ubuntu?

jackson
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