New joiner introduction
Hello Team, Glad to join the community! My name is Oleksandr and I come from Ukraine I have worked as a technical writer and manual test engineer for some time. For a little more that a year, I have been involved into automated testing and would love to move one with it. Within the Ubuntu project, I would like to give a hand in automated testing wherever it is needed. For myself, I would like to learn much and develop in the automation field. -- Kind regards, Oleksandr Gavryliuk -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: New joiner introduction
Oleksander, welcome aboard! Since you spoke about automated testing, here's some things that might be of interest to you right now: Tomorrow, we're hosting a hackfest where you can learn about autopilot (an automated testing framework we use) and help contribute testcases. Details are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/Hackfest. Here is the session we did at UDW yesterday on autopilot. It explains and gives a good overview of what it is and how you can use it. You can find the log here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/01/30/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t18:00 Finally, I'd encourage you to have a look through the mini-tutorial I did: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/11/getting-started-with-autopilot.html http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/11/our-first-autopilot-testcase.html http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/01/introspecting-with-autopilot.html Whew, that's some reading for you! Please ask questions, and don't be a stranger. There's other activities to get involved with as well, but I'll try not to overwhelm you with everything at once :-) Again, welcome! Nicholas On 01/31/2013 10:02 AM, John Kim wrote: Glad to have you on board! Hope you will enjoy the community. Here is a great place for you to start: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam By any chance, if you can, come stop by to Ubuntu Developer Week, in which Ubuntu developers give presentations on various aspects of - you guessed it - Ubuntu development. Find out more here. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Sincerely, John Kim On Jan 31, 2013 2:49 AM, ? oleksander.havryl...@gmail.com mailto:oleksander.havryl...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Team, Glad to join the community! My name is Oleksandr and I come from Ukraine I have worked as a technical writer and manual test engineer for some time. For a little more that a year, I have been involved into automated testing and would love to move one with it. Within the Ubuntu project, I would like to give a hand in automated testing wherever it is needed. For myself, I would like to learn much and develop in the automation field. -- Kind regards, Oleksandr Gavryliuk -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Updating daily builds on a daily basis.
Hello ubuntu-qa, I'm John Kim. Yesterday, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 Raring daily build from the cdimage.ubuntu.com site on my laptop, and I'm glad to say it works really great. (It wasn't the same for my desktop, however :[ ) To ensure that my computer is completely up-to-date with the daily build, what commands help me achieve it? I was thinking just doing: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade at around noon in my timezone daily is the only sequence. Can I be missing something? Thanks, John Kim-- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:57 AM, John Kim johnkim.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking just doing: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade at around noon in my timezone daily is the only sequence. Can I be missing something? I have been doing this since 11.10, staying with daily updates to Ubuntu+1. Two observations: 1. I see updates throughout the day, not just noon. Sometimes I see updates three or more times in a workday. 2. Using uk.archive.ubuntu.com , seems to have updates a few hours faster. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.
Sanjeev Gutpa, So do you only run those two commands at different times throughout the day? Are there any other commands to be aware of? How can I ensure that by running those two commands, I get the daily build from the uk.archive.ubuntu.com archive? Because by default, mine is set to us.archive.ubuntu.com. Thanks. John Kim On 목, 1월 31, 2013 at 10:18 오전, Sanjeev Gupta gha...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:57 AM, John Kim johnkim.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking just doing: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade at around noon in my timezone daily is the only sequence. Can I be missing something? I have been doing this since 11.10, staying with daily updates to Ubuntu+1. Two observations: I see updates throughout the day, not just noon. Sometimes I see updates three or more times in a workday. Using uk.archive.ubuntu.com , seems to have updates a few hours faster. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.
John, I update on occasion - no obsession about updating everyday or anything like that. When I do update, the important thing is to make sure the upgrade will go cleanly. Don't update if it's going to remove important packages, or do something undesirable. This is quite a rare occurrence (I haven't seen it yet this cycle), but it is possible. Things like not all the packages needed to update are in the archive at the time you update, etc, can case this. It's why daily builds also sometimes fail. That said, I do update via the command line, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. Nicholas On 01/31/2013 02:15 PM, John Kim wrote: Sanjeev Gutpa, So do you only run those two commands at different times throughout the day? Are there any other commands to be aware of? How can I ensure that by running those two commands, I get the daily build from the uk.archive.ubuntu.com archive? Because by default, mine is set to us.archive.ubuntu.com. Thanks. John Kim On ?, 1? 31, 2013 at 10:18 ??, Sanjeev Gupta gha...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:57 AM, John Kim johnkim.ubu...@gmail.com mailto:johnkim.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking just doing: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade at around noon in my timezone daily is the only sequence. Can I be missing something? I have been doing this since 11.10, staying with daily updates to Ubuntu+1. Two observations: 1. I see updates throughout the day, not just noon. Sometimes I see updates three or more times in a workday. 2. Using uk.archive.ubuntu.com http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com , seems to have updates a few hours faster. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.
Fabio, I think you win for the least keystrokes needed! :-) On 01/31/2013 03:02 PM, Fabio Marconi wrote: On 31/01/2013 18:57, John Kim wrote: Hello ubuntu-qa, I'm John Kim. Yesterday, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 Raring daily build from the cdimage.ubuntu.com site on my laptop, and I'm glad to say it works really great. (It wasn't the same for my desktop, however :[ ) To ensure that my computer is completely up-to-date with the daily build, what commands help me achieve it? I was thinking just doing: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I prefere press Super, type up, and press enter. So i run under update manager -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
possible apport bug
it seems apport always reports UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install), could someone confirm otherwise. i had had my install for two months and got that result. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Re-thinking Manual Testing
Hi, Puts hand up... when I initiated the classroom sessions requiring people to Have an ISO and Have KVM / VBox / TestDrive installed, the classroom team balked. They stated that we were taking too much for granted on what knowledge a new comer would have. I have gone to length to re-edit that section[1]. You are now speaking in a language that I do not understand, so there is about zero chance of a new comer understanding it. You are expecting some one to know how to branch something from launchpad? Well, I certainly do not and consider myself a reasonably competent ubuntu user. Regards, Phill. 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Section3 On 30 January 2013 23:10, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.comwrote: So, in an effort to bring more focus and exposure to manual testing, I've been a bit busy setting up a cleaner way for everyone to contribute testcases. In that vein, I'd like to announce that the manual tests on the tracker(s) are now all on launchpad. There is a launchpad project and you can branch and submit merge requests to get new testcases or testcase modifications in. In addition, you can easily file bugs when you find something wrong in a testcase :-) Check the project out here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests Check out the tests here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/ So what does this mean for everyone? Let me share my thoughts and talk about ways you can help. It means anyone can see all the testcases in use at anytime, and feel free to contribute / suggest edits, just like any other ubuntu project. We will sync the testcases in the branch to the tracker as updates happen to the branch. This solves several problems of the current system; namely, only testcade admins can edit the actual testcase, and credit for the testcase is not well represented. So what do we need help with? 1) The QATeam wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam) needs updated to reflect the new project 2) The workitems found on the wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestcaseUpdates) moved to bugs on launchpad instead to enable better tracking. For example, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1109321. This will allow us to better describe the tasks. We can tag them as to-do, and then assign and track and work them inside launchpad instead of the wiki. 3) And of course, manual testcases need to be written and updated :-) In addition, I'm working on a tutorial to demonstrate writing a manual testcase under the new process (similar to the autopilot tutorial). What else would you all like to see happen with manual testcases? What would help or hinder your contribution? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks! Nicholas -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: possible apport bug
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Brian Murray br...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 11:54:40AM +1100, Jackson Doak wrote: it seems apport always reports UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install), could someone confirm otherwise. i had had my install for two months and got that result. It means you don't have a /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/apport/raring/view/head:/data/general-hooks/ubuntu.py#L319 This would generally appear when you upgrade from one release to another. I can confirm I see the same behaviour, and I also do not have that file present. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: possible apport bug
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 10:48:23AM +0800, Sanjeev Gupta wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Brian Murray br...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 11:54:40AM +1100, Jackson Doak wrote: it seems apport always reports UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install), could someone confirm otherwise. i had had my install for two months and got that result. It means you don't have a /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/apport/raring/view/head:/data/general-hooks/ubuntu.py#L319 This would generally appear when you upgrade from one release to another. I can confirm I see the same behaviour, and I also do not have that file present. Right, so to be clear this is by design and this are working properly. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi Sanjeev, you are indeed, old fashioned. Phil, I do not need a million Ubuntu users telling me that, I can get _that_ comment at home, for free :-) And multiple times a day. The builds for testing are done on a cron (automatic) job. Extra ones can be triggered in. By insisting on all of the the updates to keep you up to date, you cannot help in any testing as no one and no bug report would know what you are running on any system. There is a VERY good reason to to use the iso tracker, and from your comments you have never read why [1]. Even as 'old school' I do believe a leopard can change its spots. There are up coming sessions for bugs [2] and testing [3]. I have read the ISO test cases, but .. I am not helping at all in testing the install from CDROM. The easy way to do that is via a VM, which I think has adequate coverage, and installing on a spare system (that I will lightly use) would be inadequate, I think. I am trying to assist in running the test-cases that do NOT require CD installs, but PPA, unity, etc. Example is the call I saw this week for evince. Since I use evince all the time on my main laptop, it is more likely, IMHO, that I will tickle a bug there. I know this is not perfect, but it is relatively painless. I ask that you attend these sessions where the usage Zsync will be explained early on. Using this lowers the data usage across all the servers and ensures people have speedy access and the cost to provide them is lower, along with being able to make a bug report that can be carried forward. Once we have arrived with a test system that others have, we can then proceed to test and report upon it. True. But my idea was to stay on the proposed-updates, and raring, and feed bug reports into the packages themselves, rather than QA. -- Sanjeev -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
