Introduction

[Jack Ramsay]

Hello,
I'm Jack. I am part of bugsquad and believe that I could help be a
tester for QA as it is not much different from what I am dhoing now. I
currently am using the 14.04 daily build so that I can help with bugs
on that. I plan to actively be involved with this team.

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Re: New member

[Sergio Meneses]

Greetings Fabio and welcome on board!

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Fábio Nogueira wrote:

> Thank you Nicholas!
>
> This is very useful...
>
> Regards,
>
> Fábio Nogueira
> Ubuntu Member
> Ubuntu Brazilian Community Council Member
> Blog: http://blog.fnogueira.com.br | Jabber: ubuntu...@jabber.cz
> Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~fnogueira
>
>
> Em Qui, 2013-10-24 às 16:35 -0400, Nicholas Skaggs escreveu:
> > Wonderful to have you Fábio! As you can see with the messages on the
> > list, we've just recently taken some time to define roles within the
> > team to help you get started. I'd recommend reading over the tester
> > role
> > page.
>
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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Phill Whiteside]

Knowing what I do of Brian, he will want what ever is best. I also look
forward to his views and expect him to be reading and considering the best
route forward. We are all the same family and I, for one, really look
forward to his input on the matter.

Regards,

Phill.


On 24 October 2013 22:39, Benjamin Kerensa  wrote:

>  I'm wondering how Brian Murray the Ubuntu Bugmaster feels about merging
> the two teams. Quality Assurance and Bug Triaging are two different roles
> in my opinion but with similar goals.
>
>
>
> On 10/24/13, 1:28 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
>
> Matthew, thank you for pointing this out. I know you've triaged a bug from
> a tablet before haven't you?! :-p
>
> I updated the pages to reflect everything that's been said, please have a
> look:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/BugTriager
>
> I removed SRU verification from the tester role, but left in triaging. I
> made no mention of release / devel specific triage activities -- thanks for
> clarifying Matthew.
>
> * Note obviously there will be much more wiki and other work to do if the
> merge moves forward ;-)
>
> Nicholas
>
> On 10/24/2013 03:46 PM, Matthew Fischer wrote:
>
> I think the release distinction for triage is artificial and possibly
> incorrect. Unlike a tester, a triager does not need to have the release,
> specific software, or even required hardware to triage a bug. They mainly
> exist to move new bugs into the right bucket, remove dupes, and to get bugs
> into a triaged state (Full list of 
> responsibilities).
> They certainly can attempt a repro if possible, but it's not necessary.
> Pretty much everything the triage person does is possible from a web
> browser open to Launchpad and maybe Debian/Gnome BTS. They could triage
> bugs on a Windows tablet for all it matters. Note: not a recommended
> platform for triage ;)
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Nicholas Skaggs <
> nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/2013 08:49 AM, Matthew Fischer wrote:
>>
>>> I'll second what's been said here by Dave. Combining the teams is a good
>>> idea. The Bug Squad team could benefit from having more active management.
>>> Howver, the Tester role needs to be expanded or perhaps a new role added.
>>> As Dave said, people on the Bug Squad do not always run dev releases. Many
>>> are still on precise, triaging bugs there. And I think bug triage should be
>>> called out as a separate activity.
>>>
>>
>>  Hmm, ok, so we can add a 4th role without it getting too confusing ;-)
>> Shall we call it simply 'bug triager', and focus the activities on doing
>> SRU's and stable release triage work?
>>
>> If we do so it might make sense to push the SRU activity to this role
>> from the 'tester' role. Essentially then you would have the following in
>> regards to bugs --
>>
>> testers, working on the devel release and doing bug work around it
>> bug triagers, working on the stable release(s) and doing bug work around
>> them
>>
>> Does that distinction work well? Folks of course can still do both roles,
>> I would just like to define them crisply for newcomers :-) I would like to
>> encourage any current bugsquader's who've only dabbled in the devel
>> releases to take a more active tester role (I think you might find it quite
>> enjoyable), but there is no obligation to change your commitment level. I'm
>> pushing us as a team to run the devel release for the entire cycle and look
>> for bugs as we do so -- I think it's a fun and exciting way to be involved
>> and it will really help find bugs sooner and get them fixed. I think
>> bugsquaders may enjoy doing this also :-) For those bugsquaders adhering to
>> only stable releases, the proposed 'bug triagers' role should fill that
>> niche and contain everything you do today.
>>
>> For example, Dave mentions
>>
>>  I primarily triage and don't test.
>>> Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
>>> to only test things in bugs being triaged for repeatability/repeatability
>>> on the latest dev.
>>>
>>  I think this is perfectly fine, and I would consider you today to have a
>> "tester" hat on :-) Your current activities wouldn't have to change at all.
>>
>> So how does adding the additional role sound? If we like it I'll add it
>> to the wiki.
>>
>> The feedback I've recieved on and off list has been positive. Does anyone
>> have any concerns about the transition? Do you know of activites that
>> aren't yet listed on one of the roles pages? I don't want to lose anything!
>>
>> I'd like to leave this thread open for a bit longer to collect feedback
>> before we commit one way or the other so everyone has a chance to read and
>> respond.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Nicholas
>>
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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Benjamin Kerensa]

I'm wondering how Brian Murray the Ubuntu Bugmaster feels about merging 
the two teams. Quality Assurance and Bug Triaging are two different 
roles in my opinion but with similar goals.



On 10/24/13, 1:28 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
Matthew, thank you for pointing this out. I know you've triaged a bug 
from a tablet before haven't you?! :-p


I updated the pages to reflect everything that's been said, please 
have a look:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/BugTriager

I removed SRU verification from the tester role, but left in triaging. 
I made no mention of release / devel specific triage activities -- 
thanks for clarifying Matthew.


* Note obviously there will be much more wiki and other work to do if 
the merge moves forward ;-)


Nicholas

On 10/24/2013 03:46 PM, Matthew Fischer wrote:
I think the release distinction for triage is artificial and possibly 
incorrect. Unlike a tester, a triager does not need to have the 
release, specific software, or even required hardware to triage a 
bug. They mainly exist to move new bugs into the right bucket, remove 
dupes, and to get bugs into a triaged state (Full list of 
responsibilities ). They certainly 
can attempt a repro if possible, but it's not necessary. Pretty much 
everything the triage person does is possible from a web browser open 
to Launchpad and maybe Debian/Gnome BTS. They could triage bugs on a 
Windows tablet for all it matters. Note: not a recommended platform 
for triage ;)



On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Nicholas Skaggs 
> wrote:


On 10/24/2013 08:49 AM, Matthew Fischer wrote:

I'll second what's been said here by Dave. Combining the
teams is a good idea. The Bug Squad team could benefit from
having more active management. Howver, the Tester role needs
to be expanded or perhaps a new role added. As Dave said,
people on the Bug Squad do not always run dev releases. Many
are still on precise, triaging bugs there. And I think bug
triage should be called out as a separate activity.


Hmm, ok, so we can add a 4th role without it getting too
confusing ;-) Shall we call it simply 'bug triager', and focus
the activities on doing SRU's and stable release triage work?

If we do so it might make sense to push the SRU activity to this
role from the 'tester' role. Essentially then you would have the
following in regards to bugs --

testers, working on the devel release and doing bug work around it
bug triagers, working on the stable release(s) and doing bug work
around them

Does that distinction work well? Folks of course can still do
both roles, I would just like to define them crisply for
newcomers :-) I would like to encourage any current bugsquader's
who've only dabbled in the devel releases to take a more active
tester role (I think you might find it quite enjoyable), but
there is no obligation to change your commitment level. I'm
pushing us as a team to run the devel release for the entire
cycle and look for bugs as we do so -- I think it's a fun and
exciting way to be involved and it will really help find bugs
sooner and get them fixed. I think bugsquaders may enjoy doing
this also :-) For those bugsquaders adhering to only stable
releases, the proposed 'bug triagers' role should fill that niche
and contain everything you do today.

For example, Dave mentions

I primarily triage and don't test.
Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
to only test things in bugs being triaged for
repeatability/repeatability
on the latest dev.

I think this is perfectly fine, and I would consider you today to
have a "tester" hat on :-) Your current activities wouldn't have
to change at all.

So how does adding the additional role sound? If we like it I'll
add it to the wiki.

The feedback I've recieved on and off list has been positive.
Does anyone have any concerns about the transition? Do you know
of activites that aren't yet listed on one of the roles pages? I
don't want to lose anything!

I'd like to leave this thread open for a bit longer to collect
feedback before we commit one way or the other so everyone has a
chance to read and respond.

Thanks!

Nicholas









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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Colin Law]

On 24 October 2013 18:05, chris hermansen  wrote:
> William, I am with you. But still "remove windows" leaves the would-be
> ubuntu user to think that there may be a way to put it back later...

It is some time since I did an install like that, but does it not warn
with a message "Warning this will delete all files on the disk" or
something similar before it starts the install?

Colin

>
> Perhaps "remove windows and all your files completely - they cannot be
> recovered except possibly from whatever backup you have" would be better.
>
> On 2013-10-24 8:41 AM, "William"  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/24/2013 09:05 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund 
>>> wrote:

 On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
 >
 > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund >>> > > wrote:
 >
 > Hi everybody,
 >
 > Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning
 > dialogue of the desktop installer.
 >
 > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
 >
 > 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows
 > and
 > replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One
 > with
 > files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
 > partition. When
 > I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C
 > drive and
 > not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
 > partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have
 > Ubuntu
 > on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
 >
 > -o-
 >
 > This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button
 > Installer
 >
 > '...
 > Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
 >
 > The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
 > complicated to
 > use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool
 > that
 > is easier to use and just works.
 > ...
 > a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
 > generally
 > easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
 > confused.
 > There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
 > installations,
 > where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
 >
 > It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in
 > 14.04
 >
 > Best regards
 > Nio
 >
 >
 > Hi,
 >
 > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
 >
 > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install
 > Ubuntu
 > with all the possible cases
 > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download Link
 > so
 > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn' how
 > to
 > install the system
 >
 > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
 > months cycle :)
 >
 > Just a very quick thought!
 >
 > --
 > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
 > Best Regards,
 > amjjawad 
 > Areas of Involvement
 > 
 > My Projects 

 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer
 itself
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important data
>>> before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not even
>>> bother to read any text :)
>>>
>>>

 because those who might need the video might not play it.
>>>
>>>
>>> As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next to
>>> the Download Link with a Note:
>>>
>>> "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)
>>>
>>> Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can blame
>>> no one but themselves.
>>>
>>> Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next to
>>> each and every download link, IMHO :)
>>>


 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS version,
 so more than 6 months are involved.

 Best regards
 Nio
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many discussions
>>> and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for the easiest
>>> solution rather than changing the whole thing just because 'some' users who
>>> can't read nor backup their data?
>>>
>>> But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However, time
>>> is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough for
>>> that, IMHO, each minute should b

Re: New member

[Fábio Nogueira]

Thank you Nicholas!

This is very useful...

Regards,

Fábio Nogueira
Ubuntu Member
Ubuntu Brazilian Community Council Member
Blog: http://blog.fnogueira.com.br | Jabber: ubuntu...@jabber.cz
Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~fnogueira


Em Qui, 2013-10-24 às 16:35 -0400, Nicholas Skaggs escreveu:
> Wonderful to have you Fábio! As you can see with the messages on the 
> list, we've just recently taken some time to define roles within the 
> team to help you get started. I'd recommend reading over the tester
> role 
> page.



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Re: New member

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Wonderful to have you Fábio! As you can see with the messages on the 
list, we've just recently taken some time to define roles within the 
team to help you get started. I'd recommend reading over the tester role 
page.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester

And getting a development machine setup.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentInstall

Then choose so activities and go for it!

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester#Activities

We're here to help, so don't be afraid to reach out with questions.

Thanks for helping make ubuntu better!

Nicholas

On 10/24/2013 03:42 PM, Fábio Nogueira wrote:

Hi Folks!

My name is Fábio Nogueira, I'm from Brazil! Member of Ubuntu Brazilian
Community Council and GNOME Foundation.

I did never working with QA, only translations! Now, is time!

Regards,

Fábio Nogueira
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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Matthew, thank you for pointing this out. I know you've triaged a bug 
from a tablet before haven't you?! :-p


I updated the pages to reflect everything that's been said, please have 
a look:


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/BugTriager

I removed SRU verification from the tester role, but left in triaging. I 
made no mention of release / devel specific triage activities -- thanks 
for clarifying Matthew.


* Note obviously there will be much more wiki and other work to do if 
the merge moves forward ;-)


Nicholas

On 10/24/2013 03:46 PM, Matthew Fischer wrote:
I think the release distinction for triage is artificial and possibly 
incorrect. Unlike a tester, a triager does not need to have the 
release, specific software, or even required hardware to triage a bug. 
They mainly exist to move new bugs into the right bucket, remove 
dupes, and to get bugs into a triaged state (Full list of 
responsibilities ). They certainly 
can attempt a repro if possible, but it's not necessary. Pretty much 
everything the triage person does is possible from a web browser open 
to Launchpad and maybe Debian/Gnome BTS. They could triage bugs on a 
Windows tablet for all it matters. Note: not a recommended platform 
for triage ;)



On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Nicholas Skaggs 
mailto:nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>> 
wrote:


On 10/24/2013 08:49 AM, Matthew Fischer wrote:

I'll second what's been said here by Dave. Combining the teams
is a good idea. The Bug Squad team could benefit from having
more active management. Howver, the Tester role needs to be
expanded or perhaps a new role added. As Dave said, people on
the Bug Squad do not always run dev releases. Many are still
on precise, triaging bugs there. And I think bug triage should
be called out as a separate activity.


Hmm, ok, so we can add a 4th role without it getting too confusing
;-) Shall we call it simply 'bug triager', and focus the
activities on doing SRU's and stable release triage work?

If we do so it might make sense to push the SRU activity to this
role from the 'tester' role. Essentially then you would have the
following in regards to bugs --

testers, working on the devel release and doing bug work around it
bug triagers, working on the stable release(s) and doing bug work
around them

Does that distinction work well? Folks of course can still do both
roles, I would just like to define them crisply for newcomers :-)
I would like to encourage any current bugsquader's who've only
dabbled in the devel releases to take a more active tester role (I
think you might find it quite enjoyable), but there is no
obligation to change your commitment level. I'm pushing us as a
team to run the devel release for the entire cycle and look for
bugs as we do so -- I think it's a fun and exciting way to be
involved and it will really help find bugs sooner and get them
fixed. I think bugsquaders may enjoy doing this also :-) For those
bugsquaders adhering to only stable releases, the proposed 'bug
triagers' role should fill that niche and contain everything you
do today.

For example, Dave mentions

I primarily triage and don't test.
Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
to only test things in bugs being triaged for
repeatability/repeatability
on the latest dev.

I think this is perfectly fine, and I would consider you today to
have a "tester" hat on :-) Your current activities wouldn't have
to change at all.

So how does adding the additional role sound? If we like it I'll
add it to the wiki.

The feedback I've recieved on and off list has been positive. Does
anyone have any concerns about the transition? Do you know of
activites that aren't yet listed on one of the roles pages? I
don't want to lose anything!

I'd like to leave this thread open for a bit longer to collect
feedback before we commit one way or the other so everyone has a
chance to read and respond.

Thanks!

Nicholas




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Re: New member

[Ben Blankley]

Welcome to the QA team, all the way from Kansas, United States!

Ben


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Fábio Nogueira wrote:

> Hi Folks!
>
> My name is Fábio Nogueira, I'm from Brazil! Member of Ubuntu Brazilian
> Community Council and GNOME Foundation.
>
> I did never working with QA, only translations! Now, is time!
>
> Regards,
>
> Fábio Nogueira
> Ubuntu Member
> Ubuntu Brazilian Community Council Member
> Blog: http://blog.fnogueira.com.br | Jabber: ubuntu...@jabber.cz
> Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~fnogueira
>
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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Matthew Fischer]

I think the release distinction for triage is artificial and possibly
incorrect. Unlike a tester, a triager does not need to have the release,
specific software, or even required hardware to triage a bug. They mainly
exist to move new bugs into the right bucket, remove dupes, and to get bugs
into a triaged state (Full list of
responsibilities).
They certainly can attempt a repro if possible, but it's not necessary.
Pretty much everything the triage person does is possible from a web
browser open to Launchpad and maybe Debian/Gnome BTS. They could triage
bugs on a Windows tablet for all it matters. Note: not a recommended
platform for triage ;)


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Nicholas Skaggs <
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote:

> On 10/24/2013 08:49 AM, Matthew Fischer wrote:
>
>> I'll second what's been said here by Dave. Combining the teams is a good
>> idea. The Bug Squad team could benefit from having more active management.
>> Howver, the Tester role needs to be expanded or perhaps a new role added.
>> As Dave said, people on the Bug Squad do not always run dev releases. Many
>> are still on precise, triaging bugs there. And I think bug triage should be
>> called out as a separate activity.
>>
>
> Hmm, ok, so we can add a 4th role without it getting too confusing ;-)
> Shall we call it simply 'bug triager', and focus the activities on doing
> SRU's and stable release triage work?
>
> If we do so it might make sense to push the SRU activity to this role from
> the 'tester' role. Essentially then you would have the following in regards
> to bugs --
>
> testers, working on the devel release and doing bug work around it
> bug triagers, working on the stable release(s) and doing bug work around
> them
>
> Does that distinction work well? Folks of course can still do both roles,
> I would just like to define them crisply for newcomers :-) I would like to
> encourage any current bugsquader's who've only dabbled in the devel
> releases to take a more active tester role (I think you might find it quite
> enjoyable), but there is no obligation to change your commitment level. I'm
> pushing us as a team to run the devel release for the entire cycle and look
> for bugs as we do so -- I think it's a fun and exciting way to be involved
> and it will really help find bugs sooner and get them fixed. I think
> bugsquaders may enjoy doing this also :-) For those bugsquaders adhering to
> only stable releases, the proposed 'bug triagers' role should fill that
> niche and contain everything you do today.
>
> For example, Dave mentions
>
>  I primarily triage and don't test.
>> Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
>> to only test things in bugs being triaged for repeatability/repeatability
>> on the latest dev.
>>
> I think this is perfectly fine, and I would consider you today to have a
> "tester" hat on :-) Your current activities wouldn't have to change at all.
>
> So how does adding the additional role sound? If we like it I'll add it to
> the wiki.
>
> The feedback I've recieved on and off list has been positive. Does anyone
> have any concerns about the transition? Do you know of activites that
> aren't yet listed on one of the roles pages? I don't want to lose anything!
>
> I'd like to leave this thread open for a bit longer to collect feedback
> before we commit one way or the other so everyone has a chance to read and
> respond.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nicholas
>
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Re: New member

[Iberê Fernandes]

2013/10/24 Fábio Nogueira 

> Hi Folks!
>
> My name is Fábio Nogueira, I'm from Brazil! Member of Ubuntu Brazilian
> Community Council and GNOME Foundation.
>
> I did never working with QA, only translations! Now, is time!
>
> Regards,
>
> Fábio Nogueira
> Ubuntu Member
> Ubuntu Brazilian Community Council Member
> Blog: http://blog.fnogueira.com.br | Jabber: ubuntu...@jabber.cz
> Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~fnogueira
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New member

[Fábio Nogueira]

Hi Folks!

My name is Fábio Nogueira, I'm from Brazil! Member of Ubuntu Brazilian
Community Council and GNOME Foundation.

I did never working with QA, only translations! Now, is time!

Regards,

Fábio Nogueira
Ubuntu Member
Ubuntu Brazilian Community Council Member
Blog: http://blog.fnogueira.com.br | Jabber: ubuntu...@jabber.cz
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Re: Workshops for Trusty

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Carla Sella  wrote:

> On 10/23/2013 11:21 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
>>
>> [..]
>>
>>  You read my mind, Carla :)
>> I have had this idea in mind the last cycle (Saucy) but had no time to
>> share it.
>>
>> Long story short, I am the founder of TWO OneStopPage:
>>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/**community/LubuntuLinks
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UbuntuGNOME/OneStopPage
>>
>>
>>
> IMO these two links look good, even if there is no need to name sections
> A, B ect.


That was just an example so those who have never seen my two OneStopPage
for Lubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME will have an idea of what I am talking about :)

In fact, for Ubuntu Quality, we need something like:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/WikiMap

Which is another Wiki I have created recently to help Lubuntu Wiki Team :)


Thank you!

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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Jack, I'll give the revamped wiki pages a test here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam#Getting_Involved

That should explain everything :-) Do ping if you get stuck of course. 
Thanks!


Nicholas

On 10/24/2013 02:16 PM, Jack Ramsay wrote:

I totally think the 4th role is a great idea. SRU may be a tad bit too much for 
a beginer. I would currently classify myself as a tester. I really think the 
combining the two teams will make things better and would give us more people 
to work on bugs. I haven't been around much lately because I've been really 
busy I would like to get back into working on this again as it is a really good 
project. How would I go about joining the QA team as I am not sure.

Thanks,
Jack

Sent from my iPad even though android is better.


On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:39, Nicholas Skaggs  
wrote:


On 10/24/2013 08:49 AM, Matthew Fischer wrote:
I'll second what's been said here by Dave. Combining the teams is a good idea. 
The Bug Squad team could benefit from having more active management. Howver, 
the Tester role needs to be expanded or perhaps a new role added. As Dave said, 
people on the Bug Squad do not always run dev releases. Many are still on 
precise, triaging bugs there. And I think bug triage should be called out as a 
separate activity.

Hmm, ok, so we can add a 4th role without it getting too confusing ;-) Shall we 
call it simply 'bug triager', and focus the activities on doing SRU's and 
stable release triage work?

If we do so it might make sense to push the SRU activity to this role from the 
'tester' role. Essentially then you would have the following in regards to bugs 
--

testers, working on the devel release and doing bug work around it
bug triagers, working on the stable release(s) and doing bug work around them

Does that distinction work well? Folks of course can still do both roles, I 
would just like to define them crisply for newcomers :-) I would like to 
encourage any current bugsquader's who've only dabbled in the devel releases to 
take a more active tester role (I think you might find it quite enjoyable), but 
there is no obligation to change your commitment level. I'm pushing us as a 
team to run the devel release for the entire cycle and look for bugs as we do 
so -- I think it's a fun and exciting way to be involved and it will really 
help find bugs sooner and get them fixed. I think bugsquaders may enjoy doing 
this also :-) For those bugsquaders adhering to only stable releases, the 
proposed 'bug triagers' role should fill that niche and contain everything you 
do today.

For example, Dave mentions

I primarily triage and don't test.
Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
to only test things in bugs being triaged for repeatability/repeatability
on the latest dev.

I think this is perfectly fine, and I would consider you today to have a 
"tester" hat on :-) Your current activities wouldn't have to change at all.

So how does adding the additional role sound? If we like it I'll add it to the 
wiki.

The feedback I've recieved on and off list has been positive. Does anyone have 
any concerns about the transition? Do you know of activites that aren't yet 
listed on one of the roles pages? I don't want to lose anything!

I'd like to leave this thread open for a bit longer to collect feedback before 
we commit one way or the other so everyone has a chance to read and respond.

Thanks!

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Re: HOWTO Avoid Installation Problems done by New Users

[Elfy]

On 24/10/13 20:12, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

Hi,

Following up with the recent thread about someone who deleted his/her 
Windows/Data by mistake, here is my simple suggestion to simply 
overcome and solve such problems once and for all:


http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/10/ubiquity-and-installing-ubuntu-and-its.html

Please note that, I have already included the Backup Note on Ubuntu 
GNOME Website and Wiki Page


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME

http://ubuntugnome.org/download

As for the Video, once my voice back to normal, I can create that one. 
Now, I can almost hear my own voice.


Thank you!

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kill the time with something useful ;)


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I'd create an ubiquity bug for it.

I'd expect it to get marked as wishlist as well though.

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HOWTO Avoid Installation Problems done by New Users

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi,

Following up with the recent thread about someone who deleted his/her
Windows/Data by mistake, here is my simple suggestion to simply overcome
and solve such problems once and for all:

http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/10/ubiquity-and-installing-ubuntu-and-its.html

Please note that, I have already included the Backup Note on Ubuntu GNOME
Website and Wiki Page

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME

http://ubuntugnome.org/download

As for the Video, once my voice back to normal, I can create that one. Now,
I can almost hear my own voice.

Thank you!

P.S.
Sleeping in bed will only make me worse, that is why it is better to kill
the time with something useful ;)

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Re: Workshops for Trusty

[Carla Sella]

On 10/23/2013 11:21 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:


[..]
 You read my mind, Carla :)
I have had this idea in mind the last cycle (Saucy) but had no time to 
share it.


Long story short, I am the founder of TWO OneStopPage:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LubuntuLinks
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/OneStopPage




IMO these two links look good, even if there is no need to name sections 
A, B ect.



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Re: Workshops for Trusty

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi,

you do love to stretch my memory back :) My lamp class using slides is at
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/28/%23ubuntu-classroom.html

It was my 1st ever classroom session and I got BST / UTC mixed up :D some
things do still not change :)

Regards,

Phill.


On 24 October 2013 19:13, David Manuel Pires  wrote:

> On 23 October 2013 20:59, Nicholas Skaggs 
> wrote:
>
>>  So in general it seems like folks would rather have a well written wiki
>> tutorial + video as opposed to a session?
>>
>> I like the idea, certainly. We don't HAVE to do sessions.
>>
>> Put another way I would rather newcomers had everything they needed
>> instantly availible on the wiki. Video links as needed, and written
>> tutorials, etc.
>>
>
> A big +1 on that.
> IMHO, learning from visual support aids, like a well elaborate and
> structured wiki, full of tutorials, videos and demonstratives diagrams,
> makes the learning process more appealing and productive.
>
> David Pires
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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Jack Ramsay]

I totally think the 4th role is a great idea. SRU may be a tad bit too much for 
a beginer. I would currently classify myself as a tester. I really think the 
combining the two teams will make things better and would give us more people 
to work on bugs. I haven't been around much lately because I've been really 
busy I would like to get back into working on this again as it is a really good 
project. How would I go about joining the QA team as I am not sure. 

Thanks,
Jack

Sent from my iPad even though android is better.

> On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:39, Nicholas Skaggs  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/24/2013 08:49 AM, Matthew Fischer wrote:
>> I'll second what's been said here by Dave. Combining the teams is a good 
>> idea. The Bug Squad team could benefit from having more active management. 
>> Howver, the Tester role needs to be expanded or perhaps a new role added. As 
>> Dave said, people on the Bug Squad do not always run dev releases. Many are 
>> still on precise, triaging bugs there. And I think bug triage should be 
>> called out as a separate activity.
> 
> Hmm, ok, so we can add a 4th role without it getting too confusing ;-) Shall 
> we call it simply 'bug triager', and focus the activities on doing SRU's and 
> stable release triage work?
> 
> If we do so it might make sense to push the SRU activity to this role from 
> the 'tester' role. Essentially then you would have the following in regards 
> to bugs --
> 
> testers, working on the devel release and doing bug work around it
> bug triagers, working on the stable release(s) and doing bug work around them
> 
> Does that distinction work well? Folks of course can still do both roles, I 
> would just like to define them crisply for newcomers :-) I would like to 
> encourage any current bugsquader's who've only dabbled in the devel releases 
> to take a more active tester role (I think you might find it quite 
> enjoyable), but there is no obligation to change your commitment level. I'm 
> pushing us as a team to run the devel release for the entire cycle and look 
> for bugs as we do so -- I think it's a fun and exciting way to be involved 
> and it will really help find bugs sooner and get them fixed. I think 
> bugsquaders may enjoy doing this also :-) For those bugsquaders adhering to 
> only stable releases, the proposed 'bug triagers' role should fill that niche 
> and contain everything you do today.
> 
> For example, Dave mentions
>> I primarily triage and don't test.
>> Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
>> to only test things in bugs being triaged for repeatability/repeatability
>> on the latest dev.
> I think this is perfectly fine, and I would consider you today to have a 
> "tester" hat on :-) Your current activities wouldn't have to change at all.
> 
> So how does adding the additional role sound? If we like it I'll add it to 
> the wiki.
> 
> The feedback I've recieved on and off list has been positive. Does anyone 
> have any concerns about the transition? Do you know of activites that aren't 
> yet listed on one of the roles pages? I don't want to lose anything!
> 
> I'd like to leave this thread open for a bit longer to collect feedback 
> before we commit one way or the other so everyone has a chance to read and 
> respond.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Nicholas
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Re: Workshops for Trusty

[David Manuel Pires]

On 23 October 2013 20:59, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:

>  So in general it seems like folks would rather have a well written wiki
> tutorial + video as opposed to a session?
>
> I like the idea, certainly. We don't HAVE to do sessions.
>
> Put another way I would rather newcomers had everything they needed
> instantly availible on the wiki. Video links as needed, and written
> tutorials, etc.
>

A big +1 on that.
IMHO, learning from visual support aids, like a well elaborate and
structured wiki, full of tutorials, videos and demonstratives diagrams,
makes the learning process more appealing and productive.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer - about a video

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:43 PM, JM  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:11:24 +0400
> "Ali Linx (amjjawad)"  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Nio Wiklund 
> wrote:
>
> > > 1. I'll be very happy if someone makes a video
>
> > I can do that but as I mentioned, I need to get my normal voice back :)
>
> Hi,
> Videos are big, heavy and as it was sayd people might not consider
> starting it.
>

Hi,

Big and heavy? thanks to Google, they are taking good care of YouTube :D
that is why, we should not worry :)

Usually, when I suggest anything, it is for 2-in-1 usage ;)

1- Make the life of new user much easer
2- Spread the word of education and Linux on the internet - many people are
not installing Linux because they are so much worried but when they will
see a video and see how much that is easy, they will change their minds.

Having all that said, you just need to include the 'link' of that video
right NEXT to the Download Link on any page (Wiki or Website).

Of course, the old classic approach should remain, that is the 'text' note.
However, trust me, when any user 'watches' a video, it will be printed on
his/her mind :)



>
> If there is a window added to the installer, with a drawing and a warning
> in big and
> read, well thought asking "have you done a backup of your data" which can
> also be
> translated, so not in an image as here:
>
> http://wiki.pclinuxos-fr.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=pclinuxos2010-fr-11.png
>
> but as a text added to the image, then the person preparing the install
> has now way to
> escape the warning. :)
>

Why would we actually 'waste' someone's time? this note must be BEFORE he
even download the ISO not while he/she is installing it :)

Thanks!

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

[chris hermansen]

William, I am with you. But still "remove windows" leaves the would-be
ubuntu user to think that there may be a way to put it back later...

Perhaps "remove windows and all your files completely - they cannot be
recovered except possibly from whatever backup you have" would be better.
On 2013-10-24 8:41 AM, "William"  wrote:

>
> On 10/24/2013 09:05 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>  On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund >>  > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi everybody,
>>> >
>>> > Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning
>>> > dialogue of the desktop installer.
>>> >
>>> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
>>> >
>>> > 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows
>>> and
>>> > replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One
>>> with
>>> > files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
>>> partition. When
>>> > I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C
>>> drive and
>>> > not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
>>> > partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have
>>> Ubuntu
>>> > on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
>>> >
>>> > -o-
>>> >
>>> > This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button
>>> > Installer
>>> >
>>> > '...
>>> > Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
>>> >
>>> > The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
>>> complicated to
>>> > use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool
>>> that
>>> > is easier to use and just works.
>>> > ...
>>> > a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
>>> generally
>>> > easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
>>> confused.
>>> > There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
>>> installations,
>>> > where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
>>> >
>>> > It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in
>>> 14.04
>>> >
>>> > Best regards
>>> > Nio
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
>>> >
>>> > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install Ubuntu
>>> > with all the possible cases
>>> > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download Link so
>>> > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn' how to
>>> > install the system
>>> >
>>> > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
>>> > months cycle :)
>>> >
>>> > Just a very quick thought!
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>> > Best Regards,
>>>  > amjjawad 
>>> > Areas of Involvement <
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
>>> > My Projects 
>>>
>>> 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer itself
>>>
>>
>>   Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important
>> data before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not
>> even bother to read any text :)
>>
>>
>>
>>> because those who might need the video might not play it.
>>>
>>
>>  As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next
>> to the Download Link with a Note:
>>
>>  "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)
>>
>>  Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can
>> blame no one but themselves.
>>
>>  Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next
>> to each and every download link, IMHO :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS version,
>>> so more than 6 months are involved.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>
>>  Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many
>> discussions and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for the
>> easiest solution rather than changing the whole thing just because 'some'
>> users who can't read nor backup their data?
>>
>>  But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However,
>> time is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough
>> for that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is just
>> me though!
>>
>>  Thanks!
>>
>
>  Thanks a lot, Nio :D
>
> You have reminded me to add a very important note that I forgot to add!!!
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME
>
> http://ubuntugnome.org/download
>
>  Once my voice is back to normal (when this ugly flu leaves me alone), I
> might create a Video and Adding it to our Area on Ubuntu GNOME Website and
> Wiki Page

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer - about a video

[JM]

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:11:24 +0400
"Ali Linx (amjjawad)"  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> > 1. I'll be very happy if someone makes a video
 
> I can do that but as I mentioned, I need to get my normal voice back :)

Hi, 
Videos are big, heavy and as it was sayd people might not consider starting it. 

If there is a window added to the installer, with a drawing and a warning in 
big and
read, well thought asking "have you done a backup of your data" which can also 
be
translated, so not in an image as here:
http://wiki.pclinuxos-fr.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=pclinuxos2010-fr-11.png

but as a text added to the image, then the person preparing the install has now 
way to
escape the warning. :)

Regards,
Mélodie

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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Matthew Fischer]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Dr. David Alan Gilbert
wrote:

> * Nicholas Skaggs (nicholas.ska...@canonical.com) wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > To help with this I've created a series of roles for the quality
> > community; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/. For the tester
> > role, I've incorporated bugsquad activities in addition to the
> > traditional activities a QA team member could partake in. I feel
> > like the listed 'tester' role could be assumed by anyone today in
> > the bugsquad, but please correct me if I am wrong. We can certainly
> > define an additional role if it makes sense.
>
> I'm not 100% sure it's right to combine the two parts into the tester
> role; while it's true that I tend to run the development release,
> as a bug-squader I primarily triage and don't test.
> Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
> to only test things in bugs being triaged for repeatability/repeatability
> on the latest dev.
>
> > I would like everyone's feedback before I think too long about the
> > the implementation details. Simply put, as a quality team we need to
> > know how to be good bug reporters. And as testers we have the skills
> > needed to triage and verify bugs and fixes. I think it makes sense
> > to utilize the skills both teams posess and combine them as part of
> > the quality community.
>
> Yes, I think it makes sense to combine them; in particular from triaging
> a lot of bugs you do tend to get a feel for things that might need
> more testing.  Also I'm assuming where a test set is known of it would
> be good for triagers to help spot test escapes.
>
> Dave


I'll second what's been said here by Dave. Combining the teams is a good
idea. The Bug Squad team could benefit from having more active management.
Howver, the Tester role needs to be expanded or perhaps a new role added.
As Dave said, people on the Bug Squad do not always run dev releases. Many
are still on precise, triaging bugs there. And I think bug triage should be
called out as a separate activity.
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

[William]

On 10/24/2013 09:05 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>> wrote:



On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund
mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund
mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the
partitioning
> dialogue of the desktop installer.
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
>
> 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to
remove windows and
> replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose
this. One with
> files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
partition. When
> I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed
on my C drive and
> not my other one. But what actually ended up happening
was all my
> partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I
only have Ubuntu
> on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
>
> -o-
>
> This is what I have been telling, when describing the
One Button
> Installer
>
> '...
> Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
>
> The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
complicated to
> use or freeze during the installation process, and you
want a tool that
> is easier to use and just works.
> ...
> a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and
is generally
> easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make
people confused.
> There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums
describing installations,
> where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake.
...'
>
> It is really too bad, and something that should be
improved in 14.04
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
>
> Hi,
>
> All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
>
> 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO
Install Ubuntu
> with all the possible cases
> 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the
Download Link so
> those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and
'learn' how to
> install the system
>
> Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in
just 6
> months cycle :)
>
> Just a very quick thought!
>
> --
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement

> My Projects 

1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the
installer itself


Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her
important data before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think
he/she will not even bother to read any text :)

because those who might need the video might not play it.


As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right
next to the Download Link with a Note:

"Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)

Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can
blame no one but themselves.

Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly
next to each and every download link, IMHO :)


2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an
LTS version,
so more than 6 months are involved.

Best regards
Nio


Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many
discussions and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go
for the easiest solution rather than changing the whole thing just
because 'some' users who can't read nor backup their data?

But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier.
However, time is the real challenge that we do have. While 6
months may look enough for that, IMHO, each minute should be
carefully considered :) that is just me though!

Thanks!


Thanks a lot, Nio :D

You have reminded me to add a very important note that I forgot to add!!!

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME

http://ubuntugnome.org/download

Once my voice 

Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

In the project's page in Launchpad 
 you can find all the info 
you'll need, including a link to the project's wiki page.


Regards


El 24/10/13 17:22, Nicholas Skaggs escribió:

On 10/24/2013 04:36 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:
Yes, I agree with this proposal since it seems to simplify 
organization and to improve communication.


On the other hand, I would suggest to make further reference in the 
wiki to the One Hundred Papercuts project 
, since this project is the 
ideal for newbies to involve with debugging.


Regards.

Mmm, papercuts. This is something we could slide under the developer 
role I think and point people at it. It crosses the lines between 
ubuntu devel and quality. Thank you Alberto, I'll mention it on the 
developer activities page. Is there a wiki page writeup talking about 
how to get invovled, etc to link to? We'll of course have to talk 
about the history and future of the project, but we can do that 
separately.


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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 10/24/2013 08:49 AM, Matthew Fischer wrote:
I'll second what's been said here by Dave. Combining the teams is a 
good idea. The Bug Squad team could benefit from having more active 
management. Howver, the Tester role needs to be expanded or perhaps a 
new role added. As Dave said, people on the Bug Squad do not always 
run dev releases. Many are still on precise, triaging bugs there. And 
I think bug triage should be called out as a separate activity.


Hmm, ok, so we can add a 4th role without it getting too confusing ;-) 
Shall we call it simply 'bug triager', and focus the activities on doing 
SRU's and stable release triage work?


If we do so it might make sense to push the SRU activity to this role 
from the 'tester' role. Essentially then you would have the following in 
regards to bugs --


testers, working on the devel release and doing bug work around it
bug triagers, working on the stable release(s) and doing bug work around 
them


Does that distinction work well? Folks of course can still do both 
roles, I would just like to define them crisply for newcomers :-) I 
would like to encourage any current bugsquader's who've only dabbled in 
the devel releases to take a more active tester role (I think you might 
find it quite enjoyable), but there is no obligation to change your 
commitment level. I'm pushing us as a team to run the devel release for 
the entire cycle and look for bugs as we do so -- I think it's a fun and 
exciting way to be involved and it will really help find bugs sooner and 
get them fixed. I think bugsquaders may enjoy doing this also :-) For 
those bugsquaders adhering to only stable releases, the proposed 'bug 
triagers' role should fill that niche and contain everything you do today.


For example, Dave mentions

I primarily triage and don't test.
Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
to only test things in bugs being triaged for repeatability/repeatability
on the latest dev.
I think this is perfectly fine, and I would consider you today to have a 
"tester" hat on :-) Your current activities wouldn't have to change at all.


So how does adding the additional role sound? If we like it I'll add it 
to the wiki.


The feedback I've recieved on and off list has been positive. Does 
anyone have any concerns about the transition? Do you know of activites 
that aren't yet listed on one of the roles pages? I don't want to lose 
anything!


I'd like to leave this thread open for a bit longer to collect feedback 
before we commit one way or the other so everyone has a chance to read 
and respond.


Thanks!

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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Nicholas Skaggs]

On 10/24/2013 04:36 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:
Yes, I agree with this proposal since it seems to simplify 
organization and to improve communication.


On the other hand, I would suggest to make further reference in the 
wiki to the One Hundred Papercuts project 
, since this project is the 
ideal for newbies to involve with debugging.


Regards.

Mmm, papercuts. This is something we could slide under the developer 
role I think and point people at it. It crosses the lines between ubuntu 
devel and quality. Thank you Alberto, I'll mention it on the developer 
activities page. Is there a wiki page writeup talking about how to get 
invovled, etc to link to? We'll of course have to talk about the history 
and future of the project, but we can do that separately.


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> On 2013-10-24 15:54, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund
> > mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> > > >>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the
> partitioning
> > > dialogue of the desktop installer.
> > >
> > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
> > >
> > > 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove
> > windows and
> > > replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this.
> > One with
> > > files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
> > partition. When
> > > I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C
> > drive and
> > > not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all
> my
> > > partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only
> > have Ubuntu
> > > on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
> > >
> > > -o-
> > >
> > > This is what I have been telling, when describing the One
> Button
> > > Installer
> > >
> > > '...
> > > Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
> > >
> > > The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
> > complicated to
> > > use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a
> > tool that
> > > is easier to use and just works.
> > > ...
> > > a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
> > generally
> > > easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
> > confused.
> > > There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
> > installations,
> > > where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
> > >
> > > It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in
> > 14.04
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Nio
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
> > >
> > > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install
> > Ubuntu
> > > with all the possible cases
> > > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download
> > Link so
> > > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn'
> > how to
> > > install the system
> > >
> > > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
> > > months cycle :)
> > >
> > > Just a very quick thought!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > > Best Regards,
> > > amjjawad 
> > > Areas of Involvement
> > 
> > > My Projects 
> >
> > 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer
> > itself
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important data
> > before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not even
> > bother to read any text :)
> >
> >
> >
> > because those who might need the video might not play it.
> >
> >
> > As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next
> > to the Download Link with a Note:
> >
> > "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)
> >
> > Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can blame
> > no one but themselves.
> >
> > Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next
> > to each and every download link, IMHO :)
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS
> version,
> > so more than 6 months are involved.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> >
> > Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many
> > discussions and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for
> > the easiest solution rather than changing the whole thing just because
> > 'some' users who can't read nor backup their data?
> >
> > But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However, time
> > is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough
> > for that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is
> > just me though!
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > Best Regards,
> > amjjawad 
> > Areas of Involvement <
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-10-24 15:54, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund  > wrote:
> 
> On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund
> mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning
> > dialogue of the desktop installer.
> >
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
> >
> > 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove
> windows and
> > replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this.
> One with
> > files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
> partition. When
> > I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C
> drive and
> > not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
> > partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only
> have Ubuntu
> > on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
> >
> > -o-
> >
> > This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button
> > Installer
> >
> > '...
> > Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
> >
> > The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
> complicated to
> > use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a
> tool that
> > is easier to use and just works.
> > ...
> > a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
> generally
> > easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
> confused.
> > There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
> installations,
> > where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
> >
> > It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in
> 14.04
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
> >
> > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install
> Ubuntu
> > with all the possible cases
> > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download
> Link so
> > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn'
> how to
> > install the system
> >
> > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
> > months cycle :)
> >
> > Just a very quick thought!
> >
> > --
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > Best Regards,
> > amjjawad 
> > Areas of Involvement
> 
> > My Projects 
> 
> 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer
> itself
> 
> 
> Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important data
> before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not even
> bother to read any text :)
> 
>  
> 
> because those who might need the video might not play it.
> 
> 
> As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next
> to the Download Link with a Note:
> 
> "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)
> 
> Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can blame
> no one but themselves.
> 
> Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next
> to each and every download link, IMHO :)
>  
> 
> 
> 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS version,
> so more than 6 months are involved.
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> 
> Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many
> discussions and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for
> the easiest solution rather than changing the whole thing just because
> 'some' users who can't read nor backup their data?
> 
> But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However, time
> is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough
> for that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is
> just me though!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement 
> My Projects 

It is not either - or
We need both

1. I'll be very happy if someone makes a video and puts links to it at
strategic places, so that many people find it and play it.

2. But it is not enough. The text in the installer itself needs
improvement, and it sho

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>
>> On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi everybody,
>> >
>> > Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning
>> > dialogue of the desktop installer.
>> >
>> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
>> >
>> > 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows
>> and
>> > replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One
>> with
>> > files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7 partition.
>> When
>> > I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C
>> drive and
>> > not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
>> > partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have
>> Ubuntu
>> > on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
>> >
>> > -o-
>> >
>> > This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button
>> > Installer
>> >
>> > '...
>> > Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
>> >
>> > The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
>> complicated to
>> > use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool
>> that
>> > is easier to use and just works.
>> > ...
>> > a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
>> generally
>> > easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
>> confused.
>> > There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
>> installations,
>> > where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
>> >
>> > It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in 14.04
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Nio
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
>> >
>> > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install Ubuntu
>> > with all the possible cases
>> > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download Link so
>> > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn' how to
>> > install the system
>> >
>> > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
>> > months cycle :)
>> >
>> > Just a very quick thought!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>> > Best Regards,
>> > amjjawad 
>> > Areas of Involvement <
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
>> > My Projects 
>>
>> 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer itself
>>
>
> Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important data
> before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not even
> bother to read any text :)
>
>
>
>> because those who might need the video might not play it.
>>
>
> As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next to
> the Download Link with a Note:
>
> "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)
>
> Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can blame
> no one but themselves.
>
> Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next to
> each and every download link, IMHO :)
>
>
>>
>> 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS version,
>> so more than 6 months are involved.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>
> Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many discussions
> and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for the easiest
> solution rather than changing the whole thing just because 'some' users who
> can't read nor backup their data?
>
> But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However, time
> is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough for
> that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is just me
> though!
>
> Thanks!
>

Thanks a lot, Nio :D

You have reminded me to add a very important note that I forgot to add!!!

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME

http://ubuntugnome.org/download

Once my voice is back to normal (when this ugly flu leaves me alone), I
might create a Video and Adding it to our Area on Ubuntu GNOME Website and
Wiki Page :)

Highly appreciate the inspiration :D


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning
> > dialogue of the desktop installer.
> >
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
> >
> > 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows
> and
> > replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One with
> > files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7 partition.
> When
> > I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C drive
> and
> > not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
> > partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have
> Ubuntu
> > on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
> >
> > -o-
> >
> > This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button
> > Installer
> >
> > '...
> > Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
> >
> > The normal linux installers that come with iso files are complicated
> to
> > use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool
> that
> > is easier to use and just works.
> > ...
> > a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is generally
> > easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
> confused.
> > There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
> installations,
> > where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
> >
> > It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in 14.04
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
> >
> > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install Ubuntu
> > with all the possible cases
> > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download Link so
> > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn' how to
> > install the system
> >
> > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
> > months cycle :)
> >
> > Just a very quick thought!
> >
> > --
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > Best Regards,
> > amjjawad 
> > Areas of Involvement <
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
> > My Projects 
>
> 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer itself
>

Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important data
before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not even
bother to read any text :)



> because those who might need the video might not play it.
>

As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next to
the Download Link with a Note:

"Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)

Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can blame no
one but themselves.

Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next to
each and every download link, IMHO :)


>
> 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS version,
> so more than 6 months are involved.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>

Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many discussions
and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for the easiest
solution rather than changing the whole thing just because 'some' users who
can't read nor backup their data?

But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However, time is
the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough for
that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is just me
though!

Thanks!

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Best Regards,
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My Projects 
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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

Yes, I agree with this proposal since it seems to simplify organization 
and to improve communication.


On the other hand, I would suggest to make further reference in the wiki 
to the One Hundred Papercuts project 
, since this project is the 
ideal for newbies to involve with debugging.


Regards.


El 23/10/13 20:36, Nicholas Skaggs escribió:
Hello everyone! To the bugsquaders, my name might not be too familar 
with you. I am the QA Community Coordinator on Jono's team. My goal 
has been to help the quality community succeed and do great things 
within ubuntu. It's been wonderful learning and growing together over 
the last several cycles. However I've not interacted much with the 
bugsquad during that time because of the seperation between the QA 
team and the bugsquad.


Historically the quality team and the bugsquad have been seperate. 
Today I want to propose that we end that seperation. I would like to 
adopt the bugsquad under the quality community team. I want to 
encourage those of you who are in the bugsquad to consider some of the 
new oppurtunities that are availible to the greater QA Team. And for 
the QA team, I want to encourage us as a community to learn more about 
bugs and take part in the tasks the bugsquad has traditional held. For 
instance, triage activities and SRU's, bug hug days, etc.


To help with this I've created a series of roles for the quality 
community; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/. For the tester role, 
I've incorporated bugsquad activities in addition to the traditional 
activities a QA team member could partake in. I feel like the listed 
'tester' role could be assumed by anyone today in the bugsquad, but 
please correct me if I am wrong. We can certainly define an additional 
role if it makes sense.


Traditionally we as a quality community host a series of workshops at 
the beginning of the cycle to help newcomers learn skills to 
contribute to quality. I trust those of you who are veteran members of 
the bugsquad might be able to bring us as a community up to speed on 
how to be good triagers, and reporters, etc as part of these workshops.


I would like everyone's feedback before I think too long about the the 
implementation details. Simply put, as a quality team we need to know 
how to be good bug reporters. And as testers we have the skills needed 
to triage and verify bugs and fixes. I think it makes sense to utilize 
the skills both teams posess and combine them as part of the quality 
community.


What do you think?

Nicholas






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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Image 4 (20131023) released

[Dmitrijs Ledkovs]

On 24 October 2013 11:36, Timo Leppiniemi
 wrote:
> Phablet-tools needs to updated? It cannot download trusty images??
>
> Can r101 be updated via ota?
>

OTA stays on the same channel as it did at saucy release, you should
be still on the "stable channel" that will be getting only core ubuntu
os security fixes and updates.

To flash trusty images with phablet-tools you can use "--channel"
trusty option, but please beware at the moment there are some
unresolved upgrade bugs when switching from one channel to the next
one e.g.:

All apps are gone:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image/+bug/1243577
Timezone not preserved:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1243573

So if you are using ubuntu touch on daily basis, please stay on the
stable channel for some time. In a due course stable channel will be
rolled over to trusty (well ahead of actual 14.04 LTS release).

Regards,

Dmitrijs.


>> On 24.10.2013, at 12.21, Alan Pope  wrote:
>>
>> Ubuntu Touch image 4 (20131023) built on Trusty has been released.
>>
>> Changes from the previous image can be found at:-
>>
>> http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/20131022.html
>> http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/20131022.1.html
>>
>> Please update via phablet-flash or over the air from System Settings
>> -> Updates, and test accordingly.
>>
>> Cheers,
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Image 4 (20131023) released

[Timo Leppiniemi]

Phablet-tools needs to updated? It cannot download trusty images??

Can r101 be updated via ota?

> On 24.10.2013, at 12.21, Alan Pope  wrote:
> 
> Ubuntu Touch image 4 (20131023) built on Trusty has been released.
> 
> Changes from the previous image can be found at:-
> 
> http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/20131022.html
> http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/20131022.1.html
> 
> Please update via phablet-flash or over the air from System Settings
> -> Updates, and test accordingly.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Alan Pope
> Engineering Manager
> 
> Canonical - Product Strategy
> +44 (0) 7973 620 164
> alan.p...@canonical.com
> http://ubuntu.com/
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Re: A proposal to combine quality and bugsquad teams

[Dr. David Alan Gilbert]

* Nicholas Skaggs (nicholas.ska...@canonical.com) wrote:

Hi,

> To help with this I've created a series of roles for the quality
> community; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/. For the tester
> role, I've incorporated bugsquad activities in addition to the
> traditional activities a QA team member could partake in. I feel
> like the listed 'tester' role could be assumed by anyone today in
> the bugsquad, but please correct me if I am wrong. We can certainly
> define an additional role if it makes sense.

I'm not 100% sure it's right to combine the two parts into the tester
role; while it's true that I tend to run the development release,
as a bug-squader I primarily triage and don't test.
Other than one or two dev installs as part of a cycle, I'll tend
to only test things in bugs being triaged for repeatability/repeatability
on the latest dev.

> I would like everyone's feedback before I think too long about the
> the implementation details. Simply put, as a quality team we need to
> know how to be good bug reporters. And as testers we have the skills
> needed to triage and verify bugs and fixes. I think it makes sense
> to utilize the skills both teams posess and combine them as part of
> the quality community.

Yes, I think it makes sense to combine them; in particular from triaging
a lot of bugs you do tend to get a feel for things that might need
more testing.  Also I'm assuming where a test set is known of it would
be good for triagers to help spot test escapes.

Dave

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Re: Workshops for Trusty

[Shubham Rao]

Nice wiki with visual screenshots and diagrams is the best option

On Thursday, October 24, 2013, Javier Lopez wrote:

> I agree with the fact that we should excel at our documentation, I'm not
> particular fondly about videos (since they may be hard to update), however
> a
> nice wiki with plenty of diagrams + screenshots would be wonderful. We
> already
> have channels to ask questions at any time, and the ml is open 24/7.
>
> In my opinion, however, we could organize some documentation hacktons at
> the
> very beginning of the cycle to verify that our documentation (still) rocks.
>
> Since many of us have been involved on the team for a while, we could not
> see
> obvious issues with the documentation, therefore I think it could be a
> good idea
> to run some public polls asking for feedback (in parallel?), and organize
> some
> Q&A sessions, focusing in the aspects we could find in the polls. I'm
> afraid
> that if we just stop creating public sessions we could been seen as a kind
> of
> closed group, let's keep running the extra mile, let's add the extra
> cream, we
> as Ubuntu tend to add.
>
> In my opinion repeating information is not an issue, if we're also creating
> bridges for new members, I still remember when I attended my first Ubuntu
> meeting and I was very excited because of been able to interact directly
> with my
> Ubuntu heroes.
>
>
> On 23/10/13 at 08:26pm, Elfy wrote:
> > On 23/10/13 20:10, Nicholas Skaggs wrote:
> > >I agree Jackson it can be hard for folks to attend a seemingly
> > >random time for the sessions.
> > >
> > >Any thoughts on producing these and then allowing folks to get the
> > >information anytime? Should we make wiki tutorials? Video
> > >tutorials? Have open question days after releasing the tutorial?
> > >
> > >Nicholas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Just a quick comment on video's - wonderful things if you've got a
> > good internet connection ...
> >
> > /Basically at the beginning of each cycle now for several cycles, we
> > as a team take time to host a series of classroom sessions, or
> > workshops to instruct people on specific topics./
> >
> > Given that - why?
> >
> > Why repeat the same information again and again.
> >
> > If we did wiki pages for each topic then would we need to do it
> > again? I'd think not.
> >
> > Now - people want to ask questions - ok, why not have an irc channel
> > for it - like ubuntu-quality-questions for instance - people idle in
> > the normal channel so it's not too hard to idle in another.
> >
> > Only refer to the new channel on the wiki's so it's only going to be
> > found by people actually reading those wiki pages.
> >
> > Elfy
> >
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Image 4 (20131023) released

[Alan Pope]

Ubuntu Touch image 4 (20131023) built on Trusty has been released.

Changes from the previous image can be found at:-

http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/20131022.html
http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/20131022.1.html

Please update via phablet-flash or over the air from System Settings
-> Updates, and test accordingly.

Cheers,
-- 
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Engineering Manager

Canonical - Product Strategy
+44 (0) 7973 620 164
alan.p...@canonical.com
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